U.S. army is now a proxy Army for Iran

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='Tigers Johnson' post='430041' date='Jan 20 2007, 09:11 AM']This is all based on the assumption that your "buddy" is an expert in this field. I find it highly unlikely that every news source reporting these stories(especially liberal ones wanting to bash Bush) would not investigate this further and get the true translation.

That being said, we said regime change in Iraq...they said Israel wiped off the map. Iran has a long history of negative propaganda spewing hate and the destruction of Israel some of which is posted in the stories I posted on the last page.[/quote]


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What is this my "buddy" shit? Are you fucking kidding me? Are you calling me a liar and saying what I said about having a co-worker (whom I do concider a friend) that speaks fluent Farsi isnt true? Would it make you feel better if come Monday you provided me some Farsi that I could get him to translate for you? Give me a break I have no reason to lie about that, you do realize that in DC it is very mulit-cultural? Hell the college I attend was ranked #1 in the nation for being multi-cultural. I dont know what Lima Ohio is like in terms of that, being originally from Cincinnati, but I can imagine. Oh pst guess what we also have a Korean on our project at work too. (Who also when through the same court process to get his clearance)

They did not say wipe Israel off the map, this HAS been determined by experts, did you not even read the article I provided? One of the experts came from the University of Michigian. In addition this has been discussed in the media, but if you cant change the channel from Faux News how are you going to know that?

[|Tigers Johnson|]

I guess Al-Jazeera does'nt know any better either.....I guess it was like I said "THE ENTIRE WORLD" gets their traslations through the United States.

[url="http://english.aljazeera.net/news/archive/archive?ArchiveId=15816"]Al-Jazeera.net[/url]
Al-Jazeera.net

Ahmadinejad: Wipe Israel off map

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has openly called for Israel to be wiped off the map.
Ahmadinejad addressed students at a conference

"The establishment of the Zionist regime was a move by the world oppressor against the Islamic world," the president told a conference in Tehran on Wednesday, entitled The World without Zionism.

"The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of a war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land," he said.

"As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map," said Ahmadinejad, referring to Iran's revolutionary leader Ayat Allah Khomeini.

His comments were the first time in years that such a high-ranking Iranian official has called for Israel's eradication, even though such slogans are still regularly used at government
rallies.

Call for unity

Addressing about 4000 students gathered in an Interior Ministry conference hall, Ahmadinejad also called for Palestinian unity, resistance and a point "where the annihilation of the Zionist regime will come".

Khatami was in favour of
'dialogue among civilisations'
"The Islamic umma (community) will not allow its historic enemy to live in its heartland," he said in the fiery speech that centred on a "historic war between the oppressor and the world of Islam".

The term "oppressor" is used by the clerical government to refer to the United States.

"We should not settle for a piece of land," he said of Israel's pullout from the Gaza Strip.

"Anyone who signs a treaty which recognises the entity of Israel means he has signed the surrender of the Muslim world," Ahmadinejad said.

"Any leaders in the Islamic umma who recognise Israel face the wrath of their own people."

Major change

Ahmadinejad, a veteran of Iran's hardline Revolutionary Guards, took office in August after scoring a landslide win in a June presidential election.

His tone represents a major change from that of former president Mohammad Khatami, whose favoured topic was "dialogue among civilisations" and who led an effort to improve Iran's relations with the West.

But Ahmadinejad instead spoke of a "historic war".

"It dates backs hundreds of years. Sometimes Islam has advanced. Sometimes nobody was winning. Unfortunately over the past 300 years, the world of Islam has been in retreat," he lamented.

"The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of a war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land"

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
President of Iran

"One hundred years ago the last trench of Islam fell, when the oppressors went towards the creation the Zionist regime. It is using it as a fort to spread its aims in the heart of the Islamic world."

In September, Bahrain announced it was ending a decades-old law banning trade ties with Israel. Earlier this month, Qatar said it was donating US$6 million to help build a soccer stadium for a mixed Arab-Jewish team, the first such financial assistance by an Arab state for any town inside Israel.

Unprecedented steps

The modest but unprecedented steps were seen as a response to Israel's withdrawal from the Gaza Strip in September. Nevertheless, Ahmadinejad said, "There is no doubt that the new wave (of attacks) in Palestine will soon wipe off this disgraceful blot (Israel) from the face of the Islamic world."

"Ahmadinejad has clearly declared the doctrine of his government. He is returning Iran to the revolutionary goals it was pursuing in the 1980s," said Mohammad Sadeq Hosseini, an expert on Middle Eastern affairs.



"By these comments, Ahmadinejad is committing himself to those goals. He is also sending the message that his government won't back down."



Israeli response



Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev issued a vague response. "Today, Israelis heard two extremists speak openly about destroying the Jewish state. One was the new president of Iran, and the other was the leader of Hamas, Mahmoud Zahar.



Scott McClellan said US fears
have proved accurate

"And it appears the problem with these extremists is that they followed through on their violent declarations with violent actions."



The United States said Ahmadinejad's remarks proved the accuracy of Washington's fears about Iran's contentious nuclear programme.



"I think it reconfirms what we have been saying about the regime in Iran. It underscores the concerns we have about Iran's nuclear intentions," White House press secretary Scott McClellan said.



Ebrahim Yazdi, a former Iranian foreign minister, said Ahmadinejad's remarks harmed Iran.



"Such comments provoke the international community against us. It's not to Iran's interests at all. It's harmful to Iran to make such a statement," he said.



He said the comments gave Israel justification for urging the world to take a tougher stand against Iran and refer its nuclear programme to the UN Security Council for

possible sanctions.

[Jamie_B]

So the experts whom have said otherwise are just liars then?

[|Tigers Johnson|]

The world spins on conspiracy theory.

Even so, if you read any of the articles I posted in this thread you would have read that Iran already has a long history of calling for the destruction of Israel. I am sure you already knew that(no sarcasm intended). Even if, you are right...you and I and the next guy knows Iran wants Israel gone.....wiped off the map per say.

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='Tigers Johnson' post='430101' date='Jan 20 2007, 12:27 PM']The world spins on conspiracy theory.

Even so, if you read any of the articles I posted in this thread you would have read that Iran already has a long history of calling for the destruction of Israel. I am sure you already knew that(no sarcasm intended). Even if, you are right...you and I and the next guy knows Iran wants Israel gone.....wiped off the map per say.[/quote]


No they want them to go back to the previous borders (and to stop expanding them and stop apartide), there was a time when Jews and Arabs lived in peace.

[|Tigers Johnson|]

Then we will have to agree to disagree......I don't know how much clearer death to the infidels can be.

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='Tigers Johnson' post='430105' date='Jan 20 2007, 12:32 PM']Then we will have to agree to disagree......I don't know how much clearer death to the infidels can be.[/quote]


I will have to agree to disagree that there is no agree to disagree, there is what was and wasnt said. This is that important because its going to come to war if we arent carefull.

[Guest BlackJesus]

[quote name='Tigers Johnson' post='430097' date='Jan 20 2007, 12:18 PM']I guess Al-Jazeera does'nt know any better either.....I guess it was like I said "THE ENTIRE WORLD" gets their traslations through the United States.[/quote]


[b]1 - that is a cut and paste article on Al Jazeeras site ... but not reported on by them. at the bottom of the page they list the source as "the agencies" ... whoever the hell that is. However it is the exact same article that was pasted in all Western Media. These articles are given a template and then reprinted over and over in most world media.

2 - Al-Jazeera is headquartered in the US puppet state of Qatar, which hosts the largest American base and arms depot outside the United States. They are from from being free from American and Israeli influence. [/b]

[|Tigers Johnson|]

Well..I disagree with you.

Are you telling me that the entire world is so uneducated that something like this would fall through the cracks except for a few people? Especially from an Arab news service with local coverage? Like I said, conspiracy theory's make the world go round.

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='BlackJesus' post='430110' date='Jan 20 2007, 12:41 PM'][b]1 - that is a cut and paste article on Al Jazeeras site ... but not reported on by them. at the bottom of the page they list the source as "the agencies" ... whoever the hell that is. [color="#FF0000"]However it is the exact same article that was pasted in all Western Media. These articles are given a template and then reprinted over and over in most world media. [/color]

2 - Al-Jazeera is headquartered in the US puppet state of Qatar, which hosts the largest American base and arms depot outside the United States. They are from from being free from American and Israeli influence. [/b][/quote]


Local reporters do that with AP stories all the time.

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='Tigers Johnson' post='430112' date='Jan 20 2007, 12:43 PM']Well..I disagree with you.

Are you telling me that the entire world is so uneducated that something like this would fall through the cracks except for a few people? Especially from an Arab news service with local coverage? Like I said, conspiracy theory's make the world go round.[/quote]


1. read BJ's previous post.

2. How is a university of michagan professor whom is an expert in his feild now 'part of the conspiracy'?

[|Tigers Johnson|]

I have read and met a lot of fanatical college professors.

I guess 1 man > than the world and Al-Jazeera.

I did'nt know MEMRI translated for the entire world

I did'nt know Al-Jazeera, an arab news service, needed translators.

[Guest BlackJesus]

[quote name='Tigers Johnson' post='430116' date='Jan 20 2007, 12:49 PM']I did'nt know Al-Jazeera, an arab news service, needed translators.[/quote]


[b]Adman speaks Farsi .... not arabic .... most Arabs do not speak Farsi they speak Arabic. Memri translates for all of the main world media in the sense that they translate for the large corps that then sell out their stories in template form. [/b]

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='Tigers Johnson' post='430116' date='Jan 20 2007, 12:49 PM']I have read and met a lot of fanatical college professors.

I guess 1 man > than the world and Al-Jazeera.

I did'nt know MEMRI translated for the entire world

I did'nt know Al-Jazeera, an arab news service, needed translators.[/quote]

You want more than 1 expert

[url="http://www.juancole.com/2006/05/hitchens-hacker-and-hitchens.html"]http://www.juancole.com/2006/05/hitchens-h...d-hitchens.html[/url]

[url="http://www.fpa.org/topics_info2414/topics_info_show.htm?doc_id=404719"]http://www.fpa.org/topics_info2414/topics_...m?doc_id=404719[/url] (This one has a good video)

More than one country (This is Canada, I also provided the BBC link eariler)

[url="http://thestar.blogs.com/azerb/2006/05/todays_treeware_1.html"]http://thestar.blogs.com/azerb/2006/05/tod...treeware_1.html[/url]

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='BlackJesus' post='430118' date='Jan 20 2007, 12:52 PM'][b][color="#FF0000"]Adman speaks Farsi .... not arabic .... most Arabs do not speak Farsi they speak Arabic.[/color] Memri translates for all of the main world media in the sense that they translate for the large corps that then sell out their stories in template form. [/b][/quote]


This is important.

[Ben]

[url="http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=19350"]http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/...articleID=19350[/url]

[quote]"WIPED OFF THE MAP" - The Rumor of the Century
Arash Norouzi


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Arash Norouzi
January 18, 2007

Across the world, a dangerous rumor has spread that could have catastrophic implications. According to legend, Iran's President has threatened to destroy Israel, or, to quote the misquote, "Israel must be wiped off the map". Contrary to popular belief, this statement was never made, as this article will prove.

BACKGROUND:

On Tuesday, October 25th, 2005 at the Ministry of Interior conference hall in Tehran, newly elected Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad delivered a speech at a program, reportedly attended by thousands, titled "The World Without Zionism". Large posters surrounding him displayed this title prominently in English, obviously for the benefit of the international press. Below the poster's title was a slick graphic depicting an hour glass containing planet Earth at its top. Two small round orbs representing the United States and Israel are shown falling through the hour glass' narrow neck and crashing to the bottom.

Before we get to the infamous remark, it's important to note that the "quote" in question was itself a quote— they are the words of the late Ayatollah Khomeini, the father of the Islamic Revolution. Although he quoted Khomeini to affirm his own position on Zionism, the actual words belong to Khomeini and not Ahmadinejad. Thus, Ahmadinejad has essentially been credited (or blamed) for a quote that is not only unoriginal, but represents a viewpoint already in place well before he ever took office.

THE ACTUAL QUOTE:

So what did Ahmadinejad actually say? To quote his exact words in farsi:

"Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad."

That passage will mean nothing to most people, but one word might ring a bell: rezhim-e. It is the word "Regime", pronounced just like the English word with an extra "eh" sound at the end. Ahmadinejad did not refer to Israel the country or Israel the land mass, but the Israeli regime. This is a vastly significant distinction, as one cannot wipe a regime off the map. Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase "rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods" (regime occupying Jerusalem).

So this raises the question.. what exactly did he want "wiped from the map"? The answer is: nothing. That's because the word "map" was never used. The Persian word for map, "nagsheh", is not contained anywhere in his original farsi quote, or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech. Nor was the western phrase "wipe out" ever said. Yet we are led to believe that Iran's President threatened to "wipe Israel off the map", despite never having uttered the words "map", "wipe out" or even "Israel".

THE PROOF:

The full quote translated directly to English:

"The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time".

Word by word translation:

Imam (Khomeini) ghoft (said) een (this) rezhim-e (regime) ishghalgar-e (occupying) qods (Jerusalem) bayad (must) az safheh-ye ruzgar (from page of time) mahv shavad (vanish from).

Here is the full transcript of the speech in farsi, archived on Ahmadinejad's web site

www.president.ir/farsi/ahmadinejad/speeches/1384/aban-84/840804sahyonizm.htm

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THE SPEECH AND CONTEXT:

While the false "wiped off the map" extract has been repeated infinitely without verification, Ahmadinejad's actual speech itself has been almost entirely ignored. Given the importance placed on the "map" comment, it would be sensible to present his words in their full context to get a fuller understanding of his position. In fact, by looking at the entire speech, there is a clear, logical trajectory leading up to his call for a "world without Zionism". One may disagree with his reasoning, but critical appraisals are infeasible without first knowing what that reasoning is.

In his speech, Ahmadinejad declares that Zionism is the West's apparatus of political oppression against Muslims. He says the "Zionist regime" was imposed on the Islamic world as a strategic bridgehead to ensure domination of the region and its assets. Palestine, he insists, is the frontline of the Islamic world's struggle with American hegemony, and its fate will have repercussions for the entire Middle East.

Ahmadinejad acknowledges that the removal of America's powerful grip on the region via the Zionists may seem unimaginable to some, but reminds the audience that, as Khomeini predicted, other seemingly invincible empires have disappeared and now only exist in history books. He then proceeds to list three such regimes that have collapsed, crumbled or vanished, all within the last 30 years:

(1) The Shah of Iran- the U.S. installed monarch

(2) The Soviet Union

(3) Iran's former arch-enemy, Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein

In the first and third examples, Ahmadinejad prefaces their mention with Khomeini's own words foretelling that individual regime's demise. He concludes by referring to Khomeini's unfulfilled wish: "The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time. This statement is very wise". This is the passage that has been isolated, twisted and distorted so famously. By measure of comparison, Ahmadinejad would seem to be calling for regime change, not war.

THE ORIGIN:

One may wonder: where did this false interpretation originate? Who is responsible for the translation that has sparked such worldwide controversy? The answer is surprising.

The inflammatory "wiped off the map" quote was first disseminated not by Iran's enemies, but by Iran itself. The Islamic Republic News Agency, Iran's official propaganda arm, used this phrasing in the English version of some of their news releases covering the World Without Zionism conference. International media including the BBC, Al Jazeera, Time magazine and countless others picked up the IRNA quote and made headlines out of it without verifying its accuracy, and rarely referring to the source. Iran's Foreign Minister soon attempted to clarify the statement, but the quote had a life of its own. Though the IRNA wording was inaccurate and misleading, the media assumed it was true, and besides, it made great copy.

Amid heated wrangling over Iran's nuclear program, and months of continuous, unfounded accusations against Iran in an attempt to rally support for preemptive strikes against the country, the imperialists had just been handed the perfect raison d'être to invade. To the war hawks, it was a gift from the skies.

It should be noted that in other references to the conference, the IRNA's translation changed. For instance, "map" was replaced with "earth". In some articles it was "The Qods occupier regime should be eliminated from the surface of earth", or the similar "The Qods occupying regime must be eliminated from the surface of earth". The inconsistency of the IRNA's translation should be evidence enough of the unreliability of the source, particularly when transcribing their news from Farsi into the English language.

THE REACTION:

The mistranslated "wiped off the map" quote attributed to Iran's President has been spread worldwide, repeated thousands of times in international media, and prompted the denouncements of numerous world leaders. Virtually every major and minor media outlet has published or broadcast this false statement to the masses. Big news agencies such as The Associated Press and Reuters refer to the misquote, literally, on an almost daily basis.

Following news of Iran's remark, condemnation was swift. British Prime Minister Tony Blair expressed "revulsion" and implied that it might be necessary to attack Iran. U.N. chief Kofi Annan cancelled his scheduled trip to Iran due to the controversy. Ariel Sharon demanded that Iran be expelled from the United Nations for calling for Israel's destruction. Shimon Peres, more than once, threatened to wipe Iran off the map. More recently, Israel's Benjamin Netanyahu, who has warned that Iran is "preparing another holocaust for the Jewish state" is calling for Ahmadinejad to be tried for war crimes for inciting genocide.

The artificial quote has also been subject to additional alterations. U.S. officials and media often take the liberty of dropping the "map" reference altogether, replacing it with the more acutely threatening phrase "wipe Israel off the face of the earth". Newspaper and magazine articles dutifully report Ahmadinejad has "called for the destruction of Israel", as do senior officials in the United States government.

President George W. Bush said the comments represented a "specific threat" to destroy Israel. In a March 2006 speech in Cleveland, Bush vowed he would resort to war to protect Israel from Iran, because, "..the threat from Iran is, of course, their stated objective to destroy our strong ally Israel." Former Presidential advisor Richard Clarke told Australian TV that Iran "talks openly about destroying Israel", and insists, "The President of Iran has said repeatedly that he wants to wipe Israel off the face of the earth". In an October 2006 interview with Amy Goodman, former UN Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter referred to Ahmadinejad as "the idiot that comes out and says really stupid, vile things, such as, 'It is the goal of Iran to wipe Israel off the face of the earth' ". The consensus is clear.

Confusing matters further, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad pontificates rather than give a direct answer when questioned about the statement, such as in Lally Weymouth's Washington Post interview in September 2006:

Are you really serious when you say that Israel should be wiped off the face of the Earth?

We need to look at the scene in the Middle East — 60 years of war, 60 years of displacement, 60 years of conflict, not even a day of peace. Look at the war in Lebanon, the war in Gaza — what are the reasons for these conditions? We need to address and resolve the root problem.

Your suggestion is to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth?

Our suggestion is very clear:... Let the Palestinian people decide their fate in a free and fair referendum, and the result, whatever it is, should be accepted.... The people with no roots there are now ruling the land.

You've been quoted as saying that Israel should be wiped off the face of the Earth. Is that your belief?

What I have said has made my position clear. If we look at a map of the Middle East from 70 years ago...

So, the answer is yes, you do believe that it should be wiped off the face of the Earth?

Are you asking me yes or no? Is this a test? Do you respect the right to self-determination for the Palestinian nation? Yes or no? Is Palestine, as a nation, considered a nation with the right to live under humane conditions or not? Let's allow those rights to be enforced for these 5 million displaced people.

The exchange is typical of Ahmadinejad's interviews with the American media. Predictably, both Mike Wallace of 60 Minutes and CNN's Anderson Cooper asked if he wants to "wipe Israel off the map". As usual, the question is thrown back in the reporter's face with his standard "Don't the Palestinians have rights?, etc." retort (which is never directly answered either). Yet he never confirms the "map" comment to be true. This did not prevent Anderson Cooper from referring to earlier portions of his interview after a commercial break and lying, "as he said earlier, he wants Israel wiped off the map".

Even if every media outlet in the world were to retract the mistranslated quote tomorrow, the major damage has already been done, providing the groundwork for the next phase of disinformation: complete character demonization. Ahmadinejad, we are told, is the next Hitler, a grave threat to world peace who wants to bring about a new Holocaust. According to some detractors, he not only wants to destroy Israel, but after that, he will nuke America, and then Europe! An October 2006 memo titled Words of Hate: Iran's Escalating Threats released by the powerful Israeli lobby group AIPAC opens with the warning, "Ahmadinejad and other top Iranian leaders are issuing increasingly belligerent statements threatening to destroy the United States, Europe and Israel." These claims not only fabricate an unsubstantiated threat, but assume far more power than he actually possesses. Alarmists would be better off monitoring the statements of the ultra-conservative Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Khamenei, who holds the most power in Iran.

As Iran's U.N. Press Officer, M.A. Mohammadi, complained to The Washington Post in a June 2006 letter:

It is not amazing at all, the pick-and-choose approach of highlighting the misinterpreted remarks of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in October and ignoring this month's remarks by Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, that "We have no problem with the world. We are not a threat whatsoever to the world, and the world knows it. We will never start a war. We have no intention of going to war with any state."

The Israeli government has milked every drop of the spurious quote to its supposed advantage. In her September 2006 address to the United Nations General Assembly, Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni accused Iran of working to nuke Israel and bully the world. "They speak proudly and openly of their desire to 'wipe Israel off the map.' And now, by their actions, they pursue the weapons to achieve this objective to imperil the region and threaten the world." Addressing the threat in December, a fervent Prime Minister Ehud Olmert inadvertently disclosed that his country already possesses nuclear weapons: "We have never threatened any nation with annihilation. Iran, openly, explicitly and publicly threatens to wipe Israel off the map. Can you say that this is the same level, when they are aspiring to have nuclear weapons, as America, France, Israel, Russia?"

MEDIA IRRESPONSIBILITY:

On December 13, 2006, more than a year after The World Without Zionism conference, two leading Israeli newspapers, The Jerusalem Post and Haaretz, published reports of a renewed threat from Ahmadinejad. The Jerusalem Post's headline was Ahmadinejad: Israel will be 'wiped out', while Haaretz posted the title Ahmadinejad at Holocaust conference: Israel will 'soon be wiped out'.

Where did they get their information? It turns out that both papers, like most American and western media, rely heavily on write ups by news wire services such as the Associated Press and Reuters as a source for their articles. Sure enough, their sources are in fact December 12th articles by Reuter's Paul Hughes [Iran president says Israel's days are numbered], and the AP's Ali Akbar Dareini [Iran President: Israel Will be wiped out].

The first five paragraphs of the Haaretz article, credited to "Haaretz Service and Agencies", are plagiarized almost 100% from the first five paragraphs of the Reuters piece. The only difference is that Haaretz changed "the Jewish state" to "Israel" in the second paragraph, otherwise they are identical.

The Jerusalem Post article by Herb Keinon pilfers from both the Reuters and AP stories. Like Haaretz, it uses the following Ahmadinejad quote without attribution: ["Just as the Soviet Union was wiped out and today does not exist, so will the Zionist regime soon be wiped out," he added]. Another passage apparently relies on an IRNA report:

"The Zionist regime will be wiped out soon the same way the Soviet Union was, and humanity will achieve freedom," Ahmadinejad said at Tuesday's meeting with the conference participants in his offices, according to Iran's official news agency, IRNA.

He said elections should be held among "Jews, Christians and Muslims so the population of Palestine can select their government and destiny for themselves in a democratic manner."

Once again, the first sentence above was wholly plagiarized from the AP article. The second sentence was also the same, except "He called for elections" became "He said elections should be held..".

It gets more interesting.

The quote used in the original AP article and copied in The Jerusalem Post article supposedly derives from the IRNA. If true, this can easily be checked. Care to find out? Go to:

www.irna.ir/en/news/view/menu-234/0612134902101231.htm

There you will discover the actual IRNA quote was:

"As the Soviet Union disappeared, the Zionist regime will also vanish and humanity will be liberated".

Compare this to the alleged IRNA quote reported by the Associated Press:

"The Zionist regime will be wiped out soon the same way the Soviet Union was, and humanity will achieve freedom".

In the IRNA's actual report, the Zionist regime will vanish just as the Soviet Union disappeared. Vanish. Disappear. In the dishonest AP version, the Zionist regime will be "wiped out". And how will it be wiped out? "The same way the Soviet Union was". Rather than imply a military threat or escalation in rhetoric, this reference to Russia actually validates the intended meaning of Ahmadinejad's previous misinterpreted anti-Zionist statements.

What has just been demonstrated is irrefutable proof of media manipulation and propaganda in action. The AP deliberately alters an IRNA quote to sound more threatening. The Israeli media not only repeats the fake quote but also steals the original authors' words. The unsuspecting public reads this, forms an opinion and supports unnecessary wars of aggression, presented as self defense, based on the misinformation.

This scenario mirrors the kind of false claims that led to the illegal U.S. invasion of Iraq, a war now widely viewed as a catastrophic mistake. And yet the Bush administration and the compliant corporate media continue to marinate in propaganda and speculation about attacking Iraq's much larger and more formidable neighbor, Iran. Most of this rests on the unproven assumption that Iran is building nuclear weapons, and the lie that Iran has vowed to physically destroy Israel. Given its scope and potentially disastrous outcome, all this amounts to what is arguably the rumor of the century.

Iran's President has written two rather philosophical letters to America. In his first letter, he pointed out that "History shows us that oppressive and cruel governments do not survive". With this statement, Ahmadinejad has also projected the outcome of his own backwards regime, which will likewise "vanish from the page of time".[/quote]

[Guest BlackJesus]

[size=4][quote name='Ben' post='430168' date='Jan 20 2007, 01:57 PM']Yet we are led to believe that Iran's President threatened to "wipe Israel off the map", despite never having uttered the words "map", "wipe out" or even "Israel".[/quote][/size]


[b][size=5]Pwned [/size][/b]

[Guest BlackJesus]

[color="#2E8B57"][center][size=6][i]“A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.”[/i][/size]


[size=5][b]~ Winston Churchill [/b][/size][/center][/color]

[|Tigers Johnson|]

[quote name='BlackJesus' post='430173' date='Jan 20 2007, 02:17 PM'][size=4][/size]
[b][size=5]Pwned [/size][/b][/quote]

It's good to know that your only purpose is see someone get pwned and rant manaical garbage than actually affect change. Especially on an internet forum. Kind of like a child.

[Guest BlackJesus]

[color="#800080"][b]For the slow Bush supporters .... I will highlight those parts that you can stumble through while you attempt to read them ...[/b].[/color] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/37.gif[/img]



[center][quote name='Ben' post='430168' date='Jan 20 2007, 01:57 PM'][size=3][b]So what did Ahmadinejad actually say? To quote his exact words in farsi:[/b]

[i]"Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad."[/i]


[b]Word by word translation:[/b]

[i]"Imam (Khomeini) ghoft (said) een (this) rezhim-e (regime) ishghalgar-e (occupying) qods (Jerusalem) bayad (must) az safheh-ye ruzgar (from page of time) mahv shavad (vanish from)."[/i][/quote][/center][/size]



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[color="#800080"]- Hell it was even his own damn quote .... he was quoting Khomeini .... and he never said what they are saying he did. [/color][/b]



[size=3][center][quote name='Ben' post='430168' date='Jan 20 2007, 01:57 PM']He then proceeds to list three such regimes that have collapsed, crumbled or vanished, all within the last 30 years:

(1) The Shah of Iran- the U.S. installed monarch

(2) The Soviet Union

(3) Iran's former arch-enemy, Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein

[size=2]In the first and third examples, Ahmadinejad prefaces their mention with Khomeini's own words foretelling that individual regime's demise. He concludes by referring to Khomeini's unfulfilled wish: "The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time. This statement is very wise". This is the passage that has been isolated, twisted and distorted so famously. By measure of comparison, Ahmadinejad would seem to be calling for regime change, not war.[/size][/quote][/center][/size]




[color="#FF0000"]- So who wants to bet the over under on how long it will take for those that have been passing on this lie to admit their mistake ??? [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/39.gif[/img][/color]

[|Tigers Johnson|]

Farsi - Persian Language
Map of Regions in Iran and Afghanistan that the Primary Spoken Language is Persian Farsi Persian Language, also known as Farsi, is the most widely spoken member of the Iranian branch of the Indo-Iranian languages, a subfamily of the Indo-European languages. It is the language of Iran (formerly Persia) and is also widely spoken in Afghanistan and, in an archaic form, in Tajikistan and the Pamir Mountain region.

Persian is spoken today primarily in Iran and Afghanistan, but was historically a more widely understood language in an area ranging from the Middle East to India. Significant populations of speakers in other Persian Gulf countries (Bahrain, Iraq, Oman, People's Democratic Republic of Yemen, and the United Arab Emirates), as well as large communities in the USA.

Total numbers of speakers is high: over 40 million Farsi speakers (about 50% of Iran's population); over 7 million Dari Persian speakers in Afghanistan (25% of the population); and about 2 million Dari Persian speakers in Pakistan.

In Afghanistan Farsi is spoken almost everywhere and close to 60 % of Afghanistan's total population speak Farsi or Dari. The map on the right should cover Herat and the nothern parts of Afghanistan where the majority of people speak Farsi. - Thank you, Laila Ahmadi

Three phases may be distinguished in the development of Iranian languages: Old, Middle, and Modern. Old Iranian is represented by Avestan and Old Persian. Avestan, probably spoken in the northeast of ancient Persia, is the language of the Avesta, the sacred scriptures of Zoroastrianism. Except for this scriptural use, Avestan died out centuries before the advent of Islam. Old Persian is recorded in the southwest in cuneiform inscriptions of the Persian kings of the Achaemenid dynasty (circa 550-330 BC), notably Darius I and Xerxes I. Old Persian and Avestan have close affinity with Sanskrit, and, like Sanskrit, Greek, and Latin, are highly inflected languages.

So you mean to tell me that an Arab news service is devoid of translation of the Farsi language? Sounds like a crock of crap to me.

Even if you are right, Iran's hate for Israel exists whether they say it or not.

[Guest BlackJesus]

[size=3][quote name='Tigers Johnson' post='430182' date='Jan 20 2007, 02:34 PM']So you mean to tell me that an Arab news service is devoid of translation of the Farsi language? Sounds like a crock of crap to me.[/quote][/size]


[b]oh god no please .... you can't be this stupid ???? can you ????

What in the fuck is in the water in this country that makes everyone so god damn stupid sometime ???? maybe it is the public schools ???

how old are you ??? (please say a teenager)

the fucking translation is up above .... word for word ..... remove the head from your ass for a second and read it ....

people like you frighten the hell out of me .... how the hell do you get dressed in the morning ???

fuck darwinism can't be true with people like you out there. [/b] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//30.gif[/img]

[|Tigers Johnson|]

Like I said before....A child.

[Guest BlackJesus]

[quote name='Tigers Johnson' post='430186' date='Jan 20 2007, 02:38 PM']Like I said before....A child.[/quote]

[b]Is this the answer to how old you are ??? What the hell are you doing on dads computer ? Go eat your boogers or something and leave this hard "reading" stuff to the Adults.[/b]

[|Tigers Johnson|]

It's like watching my son throw himself down on the floor and throw a temper tantrum every time you go off on a rant because someone does'nt agree with you.