Jamie_B

Different thing. Btw you post said he was a 7th rounder, your link shows him as a 6th

No

Is there a reason you are quoting me here?

Sometimes people get offended when you call them into question and sometimes they do things that simply confirm what you thought and you get a chuckle out of it

When it comes time to make the picks who do we think has done most of the work in putting the draft boards together? Ive always gotten the impression that coaches do most of the footwork once their NFL season is over and Tobin and his "staff" do the preliminary prep work for the coaches, then come draft time they get together. I think a well run organization takes coach input into account and weighs it heavily but I think allowing coaches to coach and a front office to do scouting ect, is the modern proven model. I think we are working with one hand tied behind our back still doing the "Paul Brown" model. Imo the way we do this is outdated. As far as could we keep Bates and still get Brown Jr? Until the Bengals join the rest of the NFL with how far they are willing to guarantee future years as opposed to big payouts upfront like they did for Brown Jr. I think we both know the answer to that.

Yeah I have no idea who Burton would step in front of. I'm basically counting him and Mclaughlin as red shirts this year

I mean the way Brady was playing it wouldn't have taken genius level coaching to decide to stay with him.

I think I said that in the first post

Nor I you not agreeing with me.

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Like I said, we're not going to agree.

The defense has struggled the past two years, it's going to take two years to fix it, while keeping the offense at the level its at or maybe a small dip but staying in the top 10. Assuming the guys we drafted this year pan out. Here is my 2 year "Keeping it positive" (meaning the draft picks pan out) plan. (Also this assumes we keep role players like Trenton Irwin) FA 2025 DJ Reed to a 3-4 year deal (he is currently 27 so a 3-4 year deal would be ideal) Chase Young to a 2 year "prove it deal", he is still young and could potentially turn it around or at least contribute No real safeties I like so I promote Battle so starter alongside Stone. Draft 2025 Top Rated in their bucket system between DE/CB. I lean towards getting a 1st round CB here though as DEs are easier to get in the 2nd. (See Sam Hubbard) Good CBs are not. Top Rated Interior linemen in the 2nd. If that ends up a center and Matt Lee works out the draft pick can slide to guard. Top Rated 3 Tech DT Fill out the rest of the picks with another WR, and whatever else is coming due to roster churn You put Dax Hill in the Slot with Mike Hilton leaving. Cam Taylor Britt and DJ Reed on the corners, let your 1st round pick work his way in. FA 2026 Kyle Hamilton is a FA but there is ZERO chance the Ravens let him get away. Not anyone that is screaming out to me to take at S here? Really FA this far out is kind of hard to predict. Draft 2026 Top Rated DE or CB based on what you did last year. Top Rated RB as Moss will be gone Top Rated Interior Linemen Top Rated LB (Tee Higgins comp pick) Top Rated DT, whether thats 3 Tech or NT. Continue to fill out.

That.

I mean this with respect, seriously. You have always overvalued players. You find these practice squad name guys in the offseason that nobody has heard of and think they are going to do more than they do. To your credit you were right about Zach Moss but most other guys you target wash out of the league or are JAGs.

Not just that but Carman is so bad the Bengals chose to pick from a different practice squad player than bring him back.

The other problem you run into is that if you "dumb down" the scheme because your new/young talent doesn't get it. You become so predictable that it doesn't matter if your scheme becomes more understandable. If you are out there running preseason vanilla defenses, diring the regular season that's a problem too. This is a talent issue.

The data is empirical here. The team got to a Superbowl in the strength of Lou's defensive schemes. It made Mahomes look like ass. I think maybe your biases for the team is getting in the way of coming to terms with the fact that other teams don't have worse players. We are literally at almost the bottom in almost every category. When you have a scheme that got you to a superbowl and you lose players then you shouldnt question the scheme, you should question the players.

It's kind of sad that we can talk about JB putting up big numbers that if he had even a average defense he would get to sit and let Browning get some snaps. Sadly because the D is so bad Joe is going to be playing the full game every time.

IIRC when this used to be a thing, didn't some backup QB get badly hurt and thus the change? Since you can afford to lose a punter more than a backup QB. I seem to remember someone getting hurt badly from that.

We're not going to agree. I think the defense problem is a talent issue, not a scheme issue. The scheme is fine, it got us to a Superbowl and gave Lou the nickname "Loudini" for the fact that he worked magic with largely mid-level players. The problem here is we don't have mid-level players to replace the guys that left.

I completely forgot that happened against us. Of course it did, of course the Bengals were the reason the Pats became that Dynasty * le sigh *

It will be so awesome that it will force Chris Canty to publicly apologize to Joe Burrow post game of the Superbowl and then decide to retire on air.

It's almost like they have a good defense.

Yup that is frustrating as hell. I think for me the biggest problem I have with the front office is their Hubris. These things have been problems for years, they have been pointed out by people that want to see the Bengals be successful, that have worked for other successful organizations. And yet they continue to refuse to make the changes necessary to produce a consistent winner.