Guest 34inXXIII Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 Like I said, it was not to be taken to seriously - again, my error for not making that more obvious - but you can't seem to help but take everything seriously. Besides, no matter how clear I try to make this, you just don't get it... [quote name='34inXXIII' date='Feb 27 2005, 10:15 AM']This is my perception...my opinion. My point of view is why they shouldn't be sports, so I guess I take exception with the definition. You can feel free to tell me once again that I am wrong; you do seem to get off on doing that after all.[/quote] [quote name='oldschooler' date='Feb 27 2005, 10:26 AM']not a thread where you personally attack me because your "opinion" is wrong.[/quote] Well, I rest my case from the first quote, nonetheless I have stated twice now that that comment was in jest. Would you like me to send you and your parents a written apology and turn myself in to the authorities? Lighten up! We're not splitting the atom here. We're just debating sports (or non-sports), the perception of athletes and the myth that is the definition of "sport" (that's sarcasm). Fine, though. Since you're a fanboy of NASCAR, then let's discuss that... sport. [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/31.gif[/img] How about a debate that everyone can agree on: that Jeff Gordon is the greatest NASCAR driver ever. [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/3.gif[/img] (sarcasm again) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oldschooler Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 [quote name='34inXXIII' date='Feb 27 2005, 10:46 AM']Like I said, it was not to be taken to seriously - again, my error for not making that more obvious - but you can't seem to help but take everything seriously. Besides, no matter how clear I try to make this, you just don't get it... Well, I rest my case from the first quote, nonetheless I have stated twice now that that comment was in jest. Would you like me to send you and your parents a written apology and turn myself in to the authorities? Lighten up! We're not splitting the atom here. We're just debating sports (or non-sports), the perception of athletes and the myth that is the definition of "sport" (that's sarcasm). Fine, though. Since you're a fanboy of NASCAR, then let's discuss that... sport. [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//31.gif[/img]  How about a debate that everyone can agree on: that Jeff Gordon is the greatest NASCAR driver ever.  [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//3.gif[/img]  (sarcasm again) [right][post="52372"][/post][/right][/quote] My typing has no tone. I am supposed to take your post as seriously as you apparently are taking mine. And a Moderator thought enough of your "jest" that they deleted what you said. Like I always say... I guess if you`re going to be an ass... you might as well "try" and be a SMART 1. Good for you. [img]http://www.imagemagician.com/images/nebsmak/emotes/thumbsup.gif[/img] But just because some1 can fly a Cessena airplane doesn`t mean that they can fly a Jet in the Air Force. You have to be in almost perfect physical condition to be able to fly a Jet in the Air Force. You can fly a regular plane with little training. nascar = jet That is an analogy as to "sitting" in a car for 2 hours." It is easy to assume that because YOU can drive a car that YOU can "race" in nascar. That`s like thinking you can hit off of Roger Clemens because you can hit a 50 mph pitch at the batting cages. :roll: And yes I am a fan of nascar. I have grown to appreciate that what these drivers do takes skill, stamina and can be very exciting to watch. I`ll end this post the way I started my 1st post to this thread. [quote]People that don`t like Nascar or think it isn`t a sport have never watched a race obviously[/quote]. [img]http://www.imagemagician.com/images/nebsmak/emotes/thumbsup.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 [quote]Also can someone who is a fan please make a pitch to me about the appeal of the sport... I would really like to know[/quote] O.k.. So the answer BJ's question so far by Nascar fans has been, "If you dont like nascar, your wrong!!!!" I swear Nascar Fans are like Jehovas witnesses. Its great that you like it, but its just not my bag. Now let me eat my breakfast on sunday afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oldschooler Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 [quote name='Ben' date='Feb 27 2005, 11:34 AM']O.k.. So the answer BJ's question so far by Nascar fans has been, "If you dont like nascar, your wrong!!!!" I swear Nascar Fans are like Jehovas witnesses.  Its great that you like it, but its just not my bag. Now let me eat my breakfast on sunday afternoon. [right][post="52389"][/post][/right][/quote] I said if you don`t like nascar then obviously you have never taken the time to actually watch a race. I know that you realize I was not replying to BJ`s question in my post ...so why you are acting like what I said was a response is beyond me. To answer BJ`s question from my own point of view... I would say the appeal is probably 1st deciding if you`re a "Chevy", "Ford" or "Dodge" guy/fan. Then get to know some drivers that race for your favorite car. To get to know some of the history of nascar, it`s drivers and even the tracks. When you actually take the time to watch an entire race....then it just grows on you. You see how the pit crews are a major factor in the race. You see the speeds these cars are going and they are inches away from each other and sometimes even touching. You get to see some pretty spectacular wrecks. And at the end of the race you get to see some pretty dramatic stuff. (most of the time) If you would have watched last weeks Daytona 500 you would have seen a wreck where 1 car flipped in the air 5 times. You would have seen 4 lead changes in the last 10 laps. When there is no nfl ...or MLB to watch ...it sure as hell beats alot of what a Witer Sunday afternoon in the offseason has to offer. To me anyway. [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//26.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 34inXXIII Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 [quote name='oldschooler' date='Feb 27 2005, 11:05 AM']But just because some1 can fly a Cessena airplane doesn`t mean that they can fly a Jet in the Air Force. You have to be in almost perfect physical condition to be able to fly a Jet in the Air Force. You can fly a regular plane with little training. nascar = jet That is an analogy as to "sitting" in a car for 2 hours." It is easy to assume that because YOU can drive a car that YOU can "race" in nascar. That`s like thinking you can hit off of Roger Clemens because you can hit a 50 mph pitch at the batting cages. :roll: And yes I am a fan of nascar. I have grown to appreciate that what these drivers do takes skill, stamina and can be very exciting to watch.[/quote] I can't rush into a burning building with dozens of pounds of equipment on my body and carry another person to safety down 3 flights of stairs either. I can't jump a motorcycle over the Ceaser's Palace fountain or turn a speeding car just the right way to get it to flip 3 times while motion picture cameras are rolling. I can't hold off looters after the Pistons win a World Championship. These are all dangerous activities that involve physical exertion and a great deal of skill, yet apparently because there's no time clock on the building or someone else trying to jump over the fountain first or someone measuring how far the car rolled or judges expressing in numerical form how good the technique of applying pepper spray to looters was, these people are not athletes. NASCAR drivers sit in their car for hours, period. I never claimed it wasn't dangerous nor that there wasn't some skill involved (hell, there's skill in that other "sport" I'm not allowed to reference too). NASCAR drivers entertain millions and I do not begrudge them or their fans for it, but they're just glorified stuntmen. By definition, they're athletes just like so many other participants of the competitions I've listed previously. Realistically, they're just very well paid stuntmen. Now, if we could just add some MASCAR-equivalent danger to bowling, we'd be on to something. Sorry I went back to bowling, but the thought of bowlers chucking bowling balls at one another or sticking the other bowlers head down the ball returner is amusing. Sort of an XBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 34inXXIII Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 [quote name='oldschooler' date='Feb 27 2005, 11:51 AM']If you would have watched last weeks Daytona 500 you would have seen a wreck where 1 car flipped in the air 5 times. You would have seen 4 lead changes in the last 10 laps.[/quote] Actually, I did watch bits and peices of Daytona last week and the thing that struck me was that the first 4 or 5 times I turned to it - and for at least a couple minutes each time - I never could tell who was leading the race. Eventually the actual leaderboard scrolled accross the top of the screen, but I was already a bit put off despite hearing what an exciting finish was in store with something like 21 racers within a lap of each other with about 60 laps to go or something like that. Then again, I'm not a gearhead either. Don't fix cars, don't know much about cars, don't care to because I have other interests. For those who do find that kind of stuff interesting, though, it's very easy to see why NASCAR is so popular (not to mention it's very well marketed ... are you listening, NHL?!?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 [quote name='oldschooler' date='Feb 27 2005, 12:51 PM'] I said if you don`t like nascar then obviously you have never taken the time to actually watch a race. I know that you realize I was not replying to BJ`s question in my post ...so why you are acting like what I said was a response is beyond me. To answer BJ`s question from my own point of view... I would say the appeal is probably 1st deciding if you`re a "Chevy", "Ford" or "Dodge" guy/fan. Then get to know some drivers that race for your favorite car. To get to know some of the history of nascar, it`s drivers and even the tracks. When you actually take the time to watch an entire race....then it just grows on you. You see how the pit crews are a major factor in the race. You see the speeds these cars are going and they are inches away from each other and sometimes even touching. You get to see some pretty spectacular wrecks. And at the end of the race you get to see some pretty dramatic stuff. (most of the time) If you would have watched last weeks Daytona 500 you would have seen a wreck where 1 car flipped in the air 5 times. You would have seen 4 lead changes in the last 10 laps. When there is no nfl ...or MLB to watch ...it sure as hell beats alot of what a Witer Sunday afternoon in the offseason has to offer. To me anyway. [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//26.gif[/img] [right][post="52394"][/post][/right][/quote] Thanks for your synopsis OS. I've watched a race before and it just doesnt do it for me. Not that there isnt anything wrong w/ it, whatever floats your boat. Sportscenter shows all the wrecks, so i dont even need to watch for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oldschooler Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 [quote name='34inXXIII' date='Feb 27 2005, 12:06 PM']I can't rush into a burning building with dozens of pounds of equipment on my body and carry another person to safety down 3 flights of stairs either. I can't jump a motorcycle over the Ceaser's Palace fountain or turn a speeding car just the right way to get it to flip 3 times while motion picture cameras are rolling. I can't hold off looters after the Pistons win a World Championship. These are all dangerous activities that involve physical exertion and a great deal of skill, yet apparently because there's no time clock on the building or someone else trying to jump over the fountain first or someone measuring how far the car rolled or judges expressing in numerical form how good the technique of applying pepper spray to looters was, these people are not athletes.[right][post="52400"][/post][/right][/quote] If you ever watched nascar the you`d see there is more to it than what credit you are giving them. And yeah any of those things you listed IS considered a sport if they follow the definition of SPORT. (see definition above) Does that mean the participants are as athletic as Shaq or T.O ? no. But they are competing in a "SPORT" and are considered "ATHLETES". [quote]NASCAR drivers sit in their car for hours, period. I never claimed it wasn't dangerous nor that there wasn't some skill involved (hell, there's skill in that other "sport" I'm not allowed to reference too). NASCAR drivers entertain millions and I do not begrudge them or their fans for it, but they're just glorified stuntmen. By definition, they're athletes just like so many other participants of the competitions I've listed previously. Realistically, they're just very well paid stuntmen. Now, if we could just add some MASCAR-equivalent danger to bowling, we'd be on to something. Sorry I went back to bowling, but the thought of bowlers chucking bowling balls at one another or sticking the other bowlers head down the ball returner is amusing. Sort of an XBA. [/quote] [quote]Is Nascar a Sport ?[/quote] now I could have swore this thread was asking a question. Obviously that question has been answered. But Bowling IS a sport too. They have set rules and they have people competing to win by using their skills to win. All of that equals SPORT. And I said something about you being wrong a few times because in your first post you said it. Funny how when I said it "jokingly" a few times you took offense and started saying I`m taking this thread to seriously. [quote name='34inXXIII' date='Feb 27 2005, 07:44 AM']Then again, that's just my opinion. I may be wrong. [right][post="52316"][/post][/right][/quote] Hi Mr Kettle....meet Mr Pot. [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//18.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 34inXXIII Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 Sorry, but I didn't feel it was warranted to start a new thread debating whether the definition of "sport" is too vague and all-inclusive and should be ammended. Sorry that I dared to expand this poll into anything other than a simple yes or no question. I think we've finally settled it then. You were joking. I was joking. The dead horse has been beaten. Can we move on to a less controversial subject now? Abortion, maybe? Religion, perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest steggyD Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 In this sense, cyber athletes play in a sport also. There is competition which has physical exertion (keyboarding and mouse-clicking), and there are winners, losers and prizes. Also, trust me, in a match, you will sweat, especially in a team match and you are the last person alive to try and save the game. Very fast heart rate and sweaty hands. [url="http://www.thecpl.com/league/"]CPL Cyberathlete Professional League[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRAYCAT Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 All I know now mark martin is the man today...win me $40 Mark! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Dan_Bengals_FL- Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 [quote name='Storm' date='Feb 26 2005, 05:37 PM']Nascar is about as exciting as watching grass grow! [right][post="52104"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] Correction, watching grass grow is more exciting. I must admit I have watched maybe about 10 major races in my lifetime. I found none of them exciting. I really have tried to see the enjoyment and can not. I dont consider the drivers athletes. I do think most of the skill belongs to the car and the crew teams. A great skill to be a driver, kind of like a great skill to be a chess player, but not an athlete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 I simply wonder why I didn't get more [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] responses to my acronym: NASCAR=Non Athletic Sport Centered Around Rednecks. Is it that played out? Damn, I'm old... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BengalsOwn Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 Have any of you ever ridden in a NASCAR race car? I tell you what, anyone who can withstand what I felt for 500 miles, they are one hell of an athlete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 Seems like a tough crowd for the whole Nascar sell..... Then again we are all literate [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/3.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Dan_Bengals_FL- Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 [quote name='BlackJesus' date='Feb 28 2005, 07:06 AM']Seems like a tough crowd for the whole Nascar sell..... Then again we are all literate [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/3.gif[/img] [right][post="52747"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gonzoid Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 What I hate is when the old NASCAR drivers get out on the track and end up doing the whole race with their left turn signal on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whodey319 Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 racing is the only thing where you can watch the first half hour, sleep the next 2 hours and wake up for the last half hour and not miss anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalsCat Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 it is not a sport.. or maybe it is.. profesional napping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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