Marvin Lewis Draft History: Trends by Round

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Marvin Lewis Draft History: Trends by Round

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In the third and final part of our Bengals.com series, we take a round-by-round look at the impact made by Marvin Lewis' rookie draft picks. When exactly can value be found? Can an immediate starter be found in the fourth round? Can you get 16 games out of a sixth-round pick? How much of a shot do seventh-rounders really have at making the roster? The last 10 drafts point to a number of trends.

DT Geno Atkins, a fourth-round pick in 2010

In a few weeks, millions will tune-in for the glitz, glamor and bright lights of the NFL Draft’s first round, all while nervously waiting as their team’s pick approaches. Will that prospect they’ve been eyeing since the combine stick around Radio City Hall’s green room long enough for, say, pick No. 21?

The first round is the main event. Thursday night in prime time, it’s the apex of the NFL’s offseason. College football’s best and brightest, all ripe for the picking.

Sure, a lot is made about first-round picks, and rightfully so. They make the most money, are considered the safest bet, and they often come with the most notoriety.

But truth be told, personnel departments earn their worth based on the evaluation of talent after the first round. A draft wouldn’t be considered a success if a team couldn’t find sufficient talent and build depth after the first round. For example, if the selection of, say, a high-ceiling defensive end from Florida and an overlooked defensive tackle from Georgia turn out to be spot-on, that draft is likely considered a success. We’re talking there, of course, about the Bengals’ 2010 draft, when Carlos Dunlap and Geno Atkins joined the team.

But when exactly can a team find value? Can an immediate starter be found in the fourth round? Can you get 16 games out of a sixth-round pick? How much of a shot do seventh-rounders really have at making the roster? Are teams willing to send a fifth-round pick to the practice squad?

Once again, history points to a number of trends that can answer those questions. In the third and final part of a Bengals.com series, we’ll take a round-by-round look at when the Bengals have found immediate-impact players. The results may be somewhat surprising.

The guidelines for this analysis are as follows:
--It concerns draft picks only. No college free agents, and no one selected by other teams.
--Rookie seasons only. Nothing after a rookie season is included here.
--Regular season only. Though playoff participation is occasionally noted separately, it is not included in the data.
--Marvin Lewis era only. Lewis’ first draft was in 2003.
--Bengals participation only. If a player went to another team as a rookie, his participation data on that other team is not included here.

FIRST ROUND

First-round draft picks under Lewis average 10.2 games played in their rookie seasons, which is less than the second and fourth rounds. They average 6.6 starts, which is less than the second round.

There have been six picks spent on offense, and five spent on defense.

Seven of the 11 first-round picks have played on opening day, including five who have started. Three were inactive, and one – Andre Smith (2009) – was on a roster exemption, due to a foot injury as well as a late signing.

Four first-rounders have started 10 or more games, and three of those have come in the last three years.Kevin Zeitler (2012) started 16 games, A.J. Green (’11) started 15, while Jermaine Gresham (’10) and Leon Hall(’07) both started 10. Zeitler is one of two rookies under Lewis to have started all 16 games as a rookie (QBAndy Dalton, a second-round draftee, is the other).

Three first-rounders have spent time on Reserve/Injured – Dre Kirkpatrick (2012), Keith Rivers (’08) and Chris Perry (’04).

Cornerback has been the most popular position in the first round, as three have been chosen there – Kirkpatrick, Hall and Johnathan Joseph (2006). Joseph, who battled injuries during several of his Bengals seasons, played in all 16 games as a rookie, with nine starts. Only two others – Hall and Zeitler – managed to play in all 16 games.

SECOND ROUND

There have been 11 second-round picks – six on defense, and five on offense. They form an impressive group.

QB Andy Dalton (2011) and G Kevin Zeitler (2012) are the only two rookies of any sort to start all 16 games in the Lewis era. Three other second-rounders started 15 games – LB Rey Maualuga (2009), LB Odell Thurman (2005) and G Eric Steinbach (’03).

Second-rounders have averaged 12.4 games played and 8.4 starts, both the highest of any round. Five second-rounders played in all 16 games (compared to three in the first round), and six started 10 or more games (compared to four in the first round).

Five – same as the first-round picks – started on opening day. DE Carlos Dunlap (2010) didn’t get a rookie start, but he wound up with 9.5 sacks as a situational pass rusher and is now one of the defense’s most promising young players. DT Devon Still, last year’s second-rounder, had a solid if unspectacular rookie campaign. He played in eight games and is being counted on to earn more playing time in seasons to come.

The only second-rounder who hasn’t produced has been HB Kenny Irons (2007), who suffered what proved to be a career-ending knee injury in his initial training camp.

THIRD ROUND

There have been 14 third-round picks – six on offense and eight on defense. Five wide receivers have been taken in the third round, the most of any position.

The most notable third-rounders include two current players, star  DE Michael Johnson (2009) and promising WR Mohamed Sanu (2012). Johnson played in every game as a rookie but did not start. Sanu last season was just hitting his stride, with nine games played and two straight starts, when he was lost to a late November foot injury.

A total of eight third-rounders recorded a start as rookies, but only one started more than 10 games – LB Landon Johnson (2004). WR Chris Henry (2005) started five, with 14 games played. Seven players played on opening day, but only two started the first game – WR Jordan Shipley (2010) and LB Caleb Miller (’04).

Third-rounders have averaged 9.0 games and 2.8 starts, both the lowest averages of any of the first four rounds.

Besides Sanu, three third-rounders have spent time on Reserve/Injured – CB Brandon Ghee (’10), TE Chase Coffman (’09) and DE Frostee Rucker (’06). Coffman, Rucker and LB Dontay Moch (2011) are the only three third-rounders to not play in a game as rookies. Moch was inactive for all 16 games, held back initially by a foot injury and later by migraines.

FOURTH ROUND

The marquee name among Lewis’ fourth-round picks is of course Geno Atkins (2010), now rated among the NFL’s elite defensive tackles. As a rookie, Atkins had a solid season, playing in every game, but his star quality did not fully emerge until year two.

Overall, the fourth has been perhaps the most interesting round under Lewis. Fourteen players have been selected – seven offense, seven defense – and the picks have averaged 10.3 games played and 2.5 starts. Every fourth-rounder has played in at least one game as a rookie, and nine have started, the most of any round.

The fourth round has clearly been the “muscle round” for the Bengals, as nine of the picks have been linemen – five offensive and four defensive. Consider also that two others at ‘muscle’ positions -- TE Orson Charles (2012) and FB Jeremi Johnson (’03) – were also fourth-rounders.

Six Bengals fourth-round picks are still on the current roster, more than any other round. Those players are Atkins, Charles , G Clint Boling (’11), OT Anthony Collins (’08), DT Domata Peko (’06) and DE Robert Geathers(’04). (If free agent OT Andre Smith re-signs with the Bengals, the first-round will also have six.)

Only one fourth-round pick has spent time on Reserve/Injured during his rookie season – DT Matthias Askew.

Four fourth-rounders have played in all 16 games – Charles, Atkins, Peko and Johnson, but only one player has recorded double-digit starts – Johnson (13). Of the nine linemen selected, Collins had the most starts (six), then Boling (three). No other fourth-rounders have started more than one game as rookies.

FIFTH ROUND

There have been 12 fifth round picks during Lewis’ tenure – six on defense, five on offense, and one specialist. The specialist – K Kevin Huber (’09) - is the only specialist to be drafted by Lewis’ Bengals.

Fifth-round picks have averaged 4.7 games played and only 0.4 starts. Only one fifth-rounder has started a game – WR Marvin Jones (2012), who started five.

Huber and LB Khalid Abdullah (2003) are the only fifth-rounders to play in every game as a rookie. Jones (11 games) is the only other player in double digits.

Two fifth-round picks have spent time on Reserve/Injured – CB Shaun Prater (2012) and OT Adam Kieft (’05).

Four fifth-rounders played on opening day – Jones, Huber, Abdullah and S George Iloka (2012).

The fifth round is where the Bengals have begun to draw the line for the practice squad. Two players from the fifth round have spent time on the practice squad as rookies – WR Maurice Mann (2004) and G Otis Hudson (’10). At pick No. 149, Mann was selected the earliest of any player to have spent time on the practice squad. Hudson was selected at No. 152.

In contrast to the fourth round, only three picks have been dedicated to linemen – two on offense, one on defense. Linebacker and safety have been the most popular positions in the fifth round, as each have been selected twice.

SIXTH ROUND

There have been 12 sixth-round picks during Lewis’ tenure – seven on offense and five on defense.

Sixth-rounders have averaged 5.5 games played and 0.2 starts. Bernard Scott (2009) started twice, but he is the only sixth-round pick to record a rookie season start.

Two sixth-round picks played in all 16 games – CB Morgan Trent (2009) and WR Tab Perry (’05). Scott was the only other player in double digits, with 13.

Again, in contrast to the fourth round, only two players selected in the sixth round were linemen – DT Matt Toeaina (’07) and DT Langston Moore (’03).

Four wide receivers have been taken in this round – Perry, Ryan Whalen (’11), Dezmon Briscoe (’10) and Reggie McNeal (’06) – making it the most popular position.

Four sixth-round picks spent time on the practice squad, and four spent time on Reserve/Injured. Only three sixth-rounders played on opening day.

SEVENTH ROUND

There have been 16 seventh-round selections under Lewis, the most of any round. Seven picks were dedicated to offense, and nine to defense.

Understandably, seventh-rounders have averaged just 2.7 games played as rookies. Only five of the 16 have seen first-year action. The most notable rookie season participant among seventh-rounders has been S Ethan Kilmer (2006), who played in all 16 games.

Only two seventh-rounders have recorded a start – two for S Chinedum Ndukwe (2007) and one for DE Jonathan Fanene (’05).

Five of the last eight seventh-round picks were not with the team on opening day. The last seventh-rounder to play on his rookie season opening day was C Dan Santucci (2007).

Three players spent time on the practice squad, and one spent time on Reserve/Injured.

 

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[sparky151]

They've got Zeitler counted as both a first and second rounder. Wonder if he's skewing the stats for 2nd rounders.

[Bengals1181]

Under Marvin

 

First Round

 

QB - 1

RB - 1

WR - 1

CB - 3

DE - 0

DT - 0

LB - 2

S - 0

OT - 1

OG/C - 1

TE - 1

P - 0

K - 0

FB - 0

 

Second Round

 

QB - 1

RB - 1 

WR - 1

CB - 1

DE - 1

DT - 1

S - 1

OT - 1  (Whit also could play OG)

OG/C - 1 (Steinbach also could play OT)

TE

LB - 2

P

K

FB

 

Third Round

 

QB  

RB 

WR - 5

CB - 1

DE - 2

DT - 2

S

OT

OG/C

TE - 1

P

K

FB

LB - 4     (includes Ahmad Brooks in supplemental draft) (Moch has also spent time at DE)

 

 

Fourth Round

 

QB  

RB 

WR

CB - 1

DE - 1 

DT - 3

S - 1

OT - 2

OG/C - 3

TE - 1

P

K

FB - 1

LB - 1

 

Fifth Round

 

QB - 1

RB 

WR - 2

CB - 1

DE

DT - 1 

S - 1

OT - 1

OG/C - 1

TE

P - 1

K

FB

LB - 2 

 

 

Sixth Round

 

QB  

RB - 2

WR - 4    (Reggie McNeal was a converted QB)

CB - 2

DE

DT - 2 

S - 1

OT

OG/C

TE - 1 

P

K

FB

LB

 

Seventh Round

 

QB  - 1

RB - 1

WR - 3

CB - 2

DE - 3

DT - 1

S - 1

OT - 1

OG/C - 2

TE

P

K

FB - 1

LB

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OVERALL

 

WR - 16

CB - 11

LB - 11

DT - 10

OG/C - 8

DE - 7

OT - 6

RB - 5

S - 5

TE - 4

QB - 4

FB - 2

P - 1

K - 0

[Bengals1181]

some guy on twitter put every draft pick from the last 10 years (same length of Marvin's draft history) for every team into a spreadsheet.  Here's a link to the Bengals page:

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ag_0vZNbAjjSdDVHMmU4UW9jLWEtY0ZjXzc1QkFIWFE#gid=15

 

 

Highlights:

 

50% offense, 48.9% defense, 1.1% special teams (aka Huber)

 

By conference:

 

SEC - 22

Big Ten - 12

Pac 10 - 9

Big 12 - 9

ACC - 6

Big East - 6

Mountain West - 6

WAC - 5

MAC - 3

Independent - 2

C-USA - 2

Sun Belt - 0

 

Non-FBS schools - 8

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Draft: Bengals Early-Round Picks

April 22, 2014 | By: Dan Clasgens

The NFL Draft is just a couple weeks away and fans across the league are debating on what their team should address in this year’s draft. Marvin Lewis is the second-longest tenured head coach in the NFL. As he braces for yet another draft atop the Cincinnati Bengals organization we take a look back at some of his early-round selections since his arrival to the team in 2003.

2003
1. Carson Palmer – franchise QB lived up to can’t-miss tag before a pair of serious injuries
2. Eric Steinbach – fled to Cleveland via free-agency and proceeded to make Pro Bowl
3. Kelley Washington – team let him walk; signed w/NE and then where he became role player

2004
1. Chris Perry – managed 73 carries in 3 years for 3.3 ypc…no longer in league
2. Keiwan Ratliff – cut by Bengals and Bucs, found way to Colts’ roster
2. Madieu Williams – signed in the 2008 off-season by Minnesota and been injury riddled.
3. Caleb Miller – currently out of the game, never was much of a factor
3. Landon Johnson – left for Carolina via free-agency prior to 2008

2005
1. David Pollack – career-ending neck injury right when he was ready to break out
2. Odell Thurman – has been suspended by NFL after rookie year and never was factor again
3. Chris Henry – roller-coaster career w/much trouble with the law; died in fall from truck.

2006
1. Jonathan Joseph – proved to be lock-down defender before leaving in free agency
2. Andrew Whitworth – has been versatile, but not overwhelming; capable NFL starter
3. Frostee Rucker – developed into nice role player, but left via free agency.

2007
1. Leon Hall – has emerged as an above average corner with even more upside to grow
2. Kenny Irons – injury forced released w/out him ever playing a down

2008
1. Keith Rivers – never developed fully and was dealt to Giants for 5th Round pick
2. Jerome Simpson – signed w/Vikings after up-and-down 2011 campaign
3. Pat Sims – looks as if he can develop into being productive role player
3. Andre Caldwell – he’s a possession receiver at best; signed by Denver before 2012 season

2009
1. Andre Smith – after a couple of disappointing seasons, he started to emerge in 2012
2. Rey Maualuga – has shown some flashes of greatness, but has disappointed at times
3. Michael Johnson – a raw talent that is beginning to be tapped into; immense upside
3. Chase Coffman – failure to learn playbook and inability to block made him disposable

2010
1. Jermaine Gresham – has been a steady contributor, but has a limited ceiling
2. Carlos Dunlap – after an explosive rookie campaign, injuries have slowed his production
3. Jordan Shipley – promising rookie injury before having an ACL injury derail his career

2011
1. AJ Green – has emerged as one of the league’s elite wide receivers, three-time Pro Bowler
2. Andy Dalton – has led the Bengals to three straight playoff appearances.
3. Dontay Moch – broke a bone in his right foot during preseason and never got on track

2012
1. Dre Kirpatrick – the corner was limited to just five games as a rookie and hasn’t developed
1. Kevin Zeitler – hopes to go from role player to difference maker up front
2. Devon Still – a non-factor during his rookie campaign; jury still out
3. Mohamed Sanu – has shown some promise but has been slowed by injuries
3. Brandon Thompson – Limited to just three games as a rookie in 2012

2013
1. Tyler Eifert – was underutilized by the team as a rookie; still has room to grow
2. Giovani Bernard – is a special player; poised for a breakout sophomore campaign
2. Margus Hunt – a very raw talent that will take a little extra time to develop
3. Shawn Williams – the safety registered 8 tackles, 4 assists as a rookie

COMPLETE BENGALS DRAFT HISTORY (Pro-Football-Reference.com)

 

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