Guest Pats and Sox Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 And another cartoon representing the other point of view: [img]http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/4341/060727globaljihadxdw6.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 [b][center][size=4]?[/size][/b] [img]http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j318/Tredcrow/Israel_fair_game_by_Latuff2.jpg[/img] [b]gotta love Norman Finkelstein [/b] [/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 [quote name='Pats and Sox' post='303608' date='Jul 28 2006, 05:26 PM'][img]http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/4341/060727globaljihadxdw6.gif[/img][/quote] [b]Hey finally I have someone to post political cartoons with (If you haven't noticed I love political catooning and no one here really fires back with me) [/b] [center].... [img]http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j318/Tredcrow/Israel_fair_game_2_by_Latuff2.jpg[/img][/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pats and Sox Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 [quote name='BlackJesus' post='303596' date='Jul 28 2006, 05:12 PM'][b]Don't get me wrong Homer ... I wasn't asking Pats because I was worried about the source ... I was asking him to see if he had any legitimate grievance against Jamail. Well he confirmed my thought that there is nothing wrong with the source ... pov is not a legitimate criticism.[/b][/quote] Sure it is. If you're pushing an agenda and not objectivity, it is a legitimate criticism. That's not to dismiss him out of hand, but IMO, some dude with a blog is not the same as someone with factcheckers, no strong agenda one way or another, editors, and greater accountability. YMMV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 [img]http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/7583/hizbollahcartoon2td7.png[/img] I can do it too! Don't leave me out of the fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 [b]I would take the position that there is always at least 2 points of view to every issue ... Very little of todays reporting today (almost none of it) is free of a point of view. Even the sheer fact of covering something over something else is victim to point of view. Since you don't have unlimited time or space to report ... simply deciding what to report or what stories to investigate themselves are victim to point of view. The key I would say for the reader is being able to decipher whether someones point of view has inhibited them from giving a decently fair synopsis of the story ... this is not an exact science but I believe that someone with a good foundation of knowledge and at least average intellect can tell if someone is overwhelmed with furthering an agenda. And even then .. the agenda may be accurate and thus ok. For instance I would want a reporter in Darfur who really felt a commitment to ending the genocide and thus was writing from the point of view of the ones being slaughtered.... I wouldn't particularly care for a reporter embedded with the Janjaweed - who are doing the machette parties. [/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 [center][img]http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j318/Tredcrow/From_Israel_with_love_by_Latuff2.jpg[/img][/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 And speaking of which, if I'm not mistaken, all of the "Big Three" religions, Judaism, Islam and Christianity broker forgiveness as their main tenet, do they not? Well, where is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 [quote name='Bunghole' post='303642' date='Jul 28 2006, 06:01 PM']And speaking of which, if I'm not mistaken, all of the "Big Three" religions, Judaism, Islam and Christianity[/quote] [color="#000099"][size=2][b]Judaism is not one of "the Big Three". [/b] [/size] [/color] [size=3][u][quote]# of Adherents [/u] [/size] [b]Christianity: 2.1 billion Islam: 1.3 billion[/b] Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion Hinduism: 900 million Chinese traditional religion: 394 million Buddhism: 376 million primal-indigenous: 300 million African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million Sikhism: 23 million Juche: 19 million Spiritism: 15 million [b]Judaism: 14 million[/b] Baha'i: 7 million Jainism: 4.2 million Shinto: 4 million Cao Dai: 4 million Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million Tenrikyo: 2 million Neo-Paganism: 1 million Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand Rastafarianism: 600 thousand Scientology: 500 thousand[/quote] [url="http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html"]http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 [quote name='BlackJesus' post='303647' date='Jul 28 2006, 04:05 PM'][color="#000099"][size=2][b]Judaism is not one of "the Big Three". [/b] [/size] [/color] [size=3][u] [url="http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html"]http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html[/url][/quote] it is as far as Western societies go, which is what I meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 [quote name='Bunghole' post='303648' date='Jul 28 2006, 06:06 PM']it is as far as Western societies go, which is what I meant.[/quote] [b]It isn't one of the big 3 in Western Societies either . What area of the world would you be using for the term "Western Societies" ?[/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 [quote name='Bunghole' post='303669' date='Jul 28 2006, 06:26 PM']And if the official report is that the USS Liberty was an accident, even though we all know it probably wasn't, so what?[/quote] [b]and the 37 US soldiers that died ??? ... I guess there families are ok with it now ... as this is your defense for why 82 shouldn't be forgotten ? [/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 [quote name='BlackJesus' post='303673' date='Jul 28 2006, 04:33 PM'][b]and the 37 US soldiers that died ??? ... I guess there families are ok with it now ... as this is your defense for why 82 shouldn't be forgotten ? [/b][/quote] Of course not! It was an atrocity that was passed off as an accident that the internaional community had to accept as such (and so did we) in order to preserve the sides of the gaming table! This shit went on throughout the Cold War too, even amongst allies....what is so new about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 [quote name='BlackJesus' post='303659' date='Jul 28 2006, 04:14 PM'][b]It isn't one of the big 3 in Western Societies either . What area of the world would you be using for the term "Western Societies" ?[/b][/quote] Ahhhhh, Europe and North America? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 [quote name='CTBengalsFan' post='303679' date='Jul 28 2006, 06:49 PM']-A lot of people find what you write to be complete fucking horseshit, so what's your point? -Japan put their tail between their legs and didn't start a tradition of teaching their children to hate Western Culture. They became a productive society, instead of people who spend all day throwing rocks at tanks or setting off explosives.[/quote] [b]Oh look ... someone trying to make me break my commitment to keep things civil after apologizing yesterday. let us see .... I guess "productive" depends on what you value as a society. Japanese have lost most of their identity as they continually mimic and immitate the West ... they also have given us in the West the beauty of bukakke and scat porn where their women get shat and cum showered by groups of men & school girl porn, they have sky rocketing suicide rates of depressed teens, eating disorders as their girls try to look like the western model, high rates of sexual harassment and perversion, not to mention tons of kids who just play video games all day etc. That isn't to say this is bad ... Just that each decision and path has its own consequences. Is money or toys the ultimate goal in life ? maybe ? What if their is an after life ? How many toys in this life are worth a life in damnation ? Some societies value morality or their faith above material possessions ... that is their choice. Also the rocks thing is just rediculous. Those kids in Gaza have no where to play ... it isn't like they can go jump onto a playground ... they live in a war zone ... when they used to walk outside - there was an Israeli tank right on every street .... do you not think American kids would throw stuff at Tanks if they rumbled up and down their streets everyday and shot people. I would hope if the kids had any gumption that they would show their anger somehow. Also the highest PhD rate of any people IN THE ENTIRE WORLD - IS THE PALESTINIANS - they are very well educated on a whole - they just have to escape the occupation to achieve their potential. [/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 [quote name='BlackJesus' post='303696' date='Jul 28 2006, 05:07 PM'][b]Oh look ... someone trying to make me break my commitment to keep things civil after apologizing yesterday. let us see .... I guess "productive" depends on what you value as a society. Japanese have lost most of their identity as they continually mimic and immitate the West ... they also have given us in the West the beauty of bukakke and scat porn where their women get shat and cum showered by groups of men & school girl porn, they have sky rocketing suicide rates of depressed teens, eating disorders as their girls try to look like the western model, high rates of sexual harassment and perversion, not to mention tons of kids who just play video games all day etc. That isn't to say this is bad ... Just that each decision and path has its own consequences. Is money or toys the ultimate goal in life ? maybe ? What if their is an after life ? How many toys in this life are worth a life in damnation ? Some societies value morality or their faith above material possessions ... that is their choice. Also the rocks thing is just rediculous. Those kids in Gaza have no where to play ... it isn't like they can go jump onto a playground ... they live in a war zone ... when they used to walk outside - there was an Israeli tank right on every street .... do you not think American kids would throw stuff at Tanks if they rumbled up and down their streets everyday and shot people. I would hope if the kids had any gumption that they would show their anger somehow. Also the highest PhD rate of any people IN THE ENTIRE WORLD - IS THE PALESTINIANS - they are very well educated on a whole - they just have to escape the occupation to achieve their potential. [/b][/quote] I think that's a bunch of bullshit about japanese losing their identity. And trying to tie in bukkake shit from the fringe is laughable....we have had that here forever...western societies will always have their bullshit...hell, Denmark is viewed as a model of free society and their age for kids to do porn is far lower than ours...and government sponsored teen clubs sell hashish....and "coffee shops" are everywhere...the exploitation is just as rampant as anywhere else... Japan is a country that has a culture of honorability, and it is deeply tied to loyalty, especially to corporations, which helps to explain the suicide rate....they take their corporations as seriously as radical Muslims take their religion....which is why you see so much death on both sides and not here in the USA whereby we're a buit more relaxed when it comes to such topics...except sex, that is....although we're far more accepting of sexuality than Muslim nations are.... But I agree about the kids in Gaza having nowhere to play...Hamas forbids them.... Seriously, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CTBengalsFan Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 [quote name='Bunghole' post='303702' date='Jul 28 2006, 07:16 PM']I think that's a bunch of bullshit about japanese losing their identity. And trying to tie in bukkake shit from the fringe is laughable....we have had that here forever...western societies will always have their bullshit...hell, Denmark is viewed as a model of free society and their age for kids to do porn is far lower than ours...and government sponsored teen clubs sell hashish....and "coffee shops" are everywhere...the exploitation is just as rampant as anywhere else... Japan is a country that has a culture of honorability, and it is deeply tied to loyalty, especially to corporations, which helps to explain the suicide rate....they take their corporations as seriously as radical Muslims take their religion....which is why you see so much death on both sides and not here in the USA whereby we're a buit more relaxed when it comes to such topics...except sex, that is....although we're far more accepting of sexuality than Muslim nations are.... But I agree about the kids in Gaza having nowhere to play...Hamas forbids them.... Seriously,[/quote] Not to mention one of the highest (if not the highest, haven't heard lately) literacy rates, and a great value for education Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 [size=3][quote name='Jamie_B' post='303325' date='Jul 28 2006, 12:31 PM']I wonder what the world view would have been on our forefathers as a comparison to how we fought against the British Empire.[/quote][/size] [center][img]http://mysite.verizon.net/vze1ldyn/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/bostonteaparty.jpg[/img][/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 [quote name='BlackJesus' post='303740' date='Jul 28 2006, 06:24 PM'][size=3][/size] [center][img]http://mysite.verizon.net/vze1ldyn/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/bostonteaparty.jpg[/img][/center][/quote] The answer is that nobody marches in formation with muskets anymore.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer_Rice Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 [quote name='Pats and Sox' post='303604' date='Jul 28 2006, 05:20 PM']Huh? Fess up to what, prey tell? That I'm a paid Zionist agent sent by Lord Xenu to warp the minds of AFC football fans? I thought I already admitted to this.[/quote] The simple truth would be sufficient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pats and Sox Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 [quote name='Homer_Rice' post='303777' date='Jul 28 2006, 09:27 PM']The simple truth would be sufficient.[/quote] I have absolutely no idea what you're blabbering about, and judging by other reactions to your bizzare jihad on this thread, I'm not alone. I still don't know what I have to "fess up" to you. If you'll be clear about it, I'll be happy to answer your question. If you still think I was "sent" by someone, I wasn't. I knew of this board, I checked it out, I saw a forum and topic that interested me, and I jumped in. Or, if you want to continue the routine, that's cool too, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 [quote name='Bunghole' post='303746' date='Jul 28 2006, 08:28 PM']The answer is that nobody marches in formation with muskets anymore....[/quote] This is where I was wanting to go. The rules of warfare in those days were to march in formation with muskets, as BJ said not fire upon officers ect. We didnt follow them the slightest, and for good reason as we were fighting a far superior enemey. They were better trained, better equipped, and far greater in number. Yet we believed in our right to exist as a country (even if the brits thought we were being greedy and unreasonable). Step back from the right and wrong of it for a second, because Im still trying to figure that out, and tell me what is different? Isreal is a far superior enemy who is better trained, and better equipped. Yet these oppision groups believe in their right to exist. Is the gurillia warfare they use different than the gurrillia warfare we did, minus the "death toys"? Dont get me wrong Im not the peacenick hippie type, rather probabally more like you where I hate war but realize its sometimes unavoidable. What Im getting at is how are the tatics all that different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Coy Bacon Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 [quote name='Jamie_B' post='303325' date='Jul 28 2006, 12:31 PM']Maybee Im getting soft on my more liberal friends as I get older, but this freedom fighter vs a country thing has me thinking ...I wonder what the world view would have been on our forefathers as a comparison to how we fought against the British Empire. The motherland didnt recongize us as a legitimate country, what did others think? Did France really care or did they just hate England enough to get involved? I say that because we most certianly didnt "fight fair" within the "rules of war" persay.[/quote] The Indian-derived tactics of the colonist rebels were considered savage and barbaric - practically like "terrorism" today. Not only did the ungrateful miscreants hide behind trees and shoot in unsporting fashion, they........shot..............................................OFFICERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBZ Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 [quote name='Bunghole' post='303541' date='Jul 28 2006, 04:32 PM']Every journalist has a bias, whether it be cultural, national, or whatever. I have never read anything from this guy outside of what BJ has posted. Homer, nobody is accepting "only" anyone's sources here, well, at least not me. And I believe that Israel has EVERY intention of leaving it's neighbors alone IF and only IF they will leave it alone...and IF the Palestinian issue can be resolved, as in, equal access to common holy sites, equal access to employment, the Jews to stop treating Palestinans like niggers, etc, etc.[/quote] This is a quote from yesterday, that somehow stuck around in my cache. I just wanted to include it and say that I [b]DO NOT[/b] believe that Israel has the intention of leaving its neighbours alone, and there really isn't a lot of evidence from the last 50+ years that indicates that they would. For the first part, because they were formed on a colonial impulse, and for the second part, because they are NOT a peaceful nation. [quote name='Pats and Sox' post='303619' date='Jul 28 2006, 05:35 PM']Sure it is. If you're pushing an agenda and not objectivity, it is a legitimate criticism. That's not to dismiss him out of hand, but IMO, some dude with a blog is not the same as someone with factcheckers, no strong agenda one way or another, editors, and greater accountability. YMMV.[/quote] I think that over the past years, this has become less and less true...The mass media is a huge business, and their allegiance is to making money (and a world view that leads to making more money)... That, and the news industry has exploded so much on a global level, that the amount of talent and journalistic training has been diminished or watered down to the point where a Blogger is really just as qualified to write, and has as much natural affiliation towards objectivity as the major news outlets. (IE. They are equally suspect) Moreover, if you had an agenda...Corporate, commercial, political, social, religious...Why would you mess around with the viewership of Blogs, when you can simply start up a website and call it a newspaper?? Get yourself in the google mix, and wham...Now you're mainstream. As an aside, who hands out Press Credentials? Who assigns 'Freedom of the Press'? Can you simply declare yourself a news source, and give yourself these things? I look forward to the day when a Blogger defends himself in court using some of these concepts. BZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBZ Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 [quote name='Jamie_B' post='303848' date='Jul 28 2006, 11:40 PM']Step back from the right and wrong of it for a second, because Im still trying to figure that out, and tell me what is different? Isreal is a far superior enemy who is better trained, and better equipped. Yet these oppision groups believe in their right to exist. Is the gurillia warfare they use different than the gurrillia warfare we did, minus the "death toys"? Dont get me wrong Im not the peacenick hippie type, rather probabally more like you where I hate war but realize its sometimes unavoidable. What Im getting at is how are the tatics all that different?[/quote] The difference is the process that we are involved in now...The role of public opinion to shape policy vs. the role of funding to shape policy. If I was an artist, I'd love to whip up a cartoon with a 'Rock vs. Tank' scenario. The rock would be labeled 'Public Outcry' and the tank would be labeled 'Lobby Cash' Or sub in...'Blogging' vs. 'Commercial Media' Or...'UN Resolutions' vs. 'VETO Votes' In any case...It is the $$ that tends to frame who are on the side of 'good', and the media delivery system is just another example of a technological advantage in the conflict. BZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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