who said this?

July 13, 2006

[quote name='steggyD' post='292939' date='Jul 12 2006, 08:10 PM']Sports plays a societal role in engendering jingoist and chauvinist attitudes. They're designed to organize a community to be committed to their gladiators.[/quote]

[b]One of the worlds best minds .... Noam Chomsky [/b]

**|Bunghole|** · July 13, 2006

[quote name='BlackJesus' post='292934' date='Jul 12 2006, 05:47 PM'][b]I wonder if this was in your marriage saving book too ? :rolleyes: [/quote]
This from the guy that took issue with Steeler fans about making fun of his ailing mother on their website, after instigating the situation. Nice.
Way to get all personal and make fun of his marriage problems. I guess when it is someone else's personal tragedies it is fair game, and when someone else takes your game to you (by you stirring up the redneck hornets nest at Trailernation), you threaten them with death. Good job.
You need to grow the fuck up and quit tossing verbal assaults at people when they take the opposite position of your own.
Is this what they teach you in "Conflict and Analysis"? Ambush your debate partner that maintains a position that you don't like?
Where is the analysis in that?
Dude, seriously....we are all adults here and we are offering opposing positions to a topic (Zionism, 9/11, Israel, etc) that are emotionally charged and all, but....why would you say something like that?
It is totally uncool and if you reflect on it, I think you will see it as such.

Jamie_B · July 13, 2006

[quote name='Bunghole' post='292962' date='Jul 12 2006, 10:05 PM']This from the guy that took issue with Steeler fans about making fun of his ailing mother on their website, after instigating the situation. Nice.
Way to get all personal and make fun of his marriage problems. I guess when it is someone else's personal tragedies it is fair game, and when someone else takes your game to you (by you stirring up the redneck hornets nest at Trailernation), you threaten them with death. Good job.
You need to grow the fuck up and quit tossing verbal assaults at people when they take the opposite position of your own.
Is this what they teach you in "Conflict and Analysis"? Ambush your debate partner that maintains a position that you don't like?
Where is the analysis in that?
Dude, seriously....we are all adults here and we are offering opposing positions to a topic (Zionism, 9/11, Israel, etc) that are emotionally charged and all, but....why would you say something like that?
It is totally uncool and if you reflect on it, I think you will see it as such.[/quote]

I got to agree, that was kind of a low blow dude.

July 13, 2006

[quote name='Bunghole' post='292962' date='Jul 12 2006, 10:05 PM']This from the guy that took issue with Steeler fans about making fun of his ailing mother on their website, after instigating the situation. Nice.
Way to get all personal and make fun of his marriage problems. I guess when it is someone else's personal tragedies it is fair game, and when someone else takes your game to you (by you stirring up the redneck hornets nest at Trailernation), you threaten them with death. Good job.
You need to grow the fuck up and quit tossing verbal assaults at people when they take the opposite position of your own.
Is this what they teach you in "Conflict and Analysis"? Ambush your debate partner that maintains a position that you don't like?
Where is the analysis in that?
Dude, seriously....we are all adults here and we are offering opposing positions to a topic (Zionism, 9/11, Israel, etc) that are emotionally charged and all, but....why would you say something like that?
It is totally uncool and if you reflect on it, I think you will see it as such.[/quote]

[b]My quote was completely relevant ...

Steg stated:[/b]

[quote]Having been through many books recently on psychology, because of my near melt-down of my marriage, I learned some things.[/quote]

[b]and then went on to analyze the quote in question under that premise.

I didn't pull "marriage saving book" from thin air ... he used such study as the basis for his analysis ....

and that is far different from Squeel Nation wishing my ill mother death, saying they would like to rape her, threatening her life, etc etc. The Squeel nation response would be to call his wife names, wish rape on her, and wish him a divorce.

And you of all people who went over there to play nice with those assholes at Squeeler Nation are the last person who I need to hear from in this matter or be lectured by. [/b]

July 13, 2006

Honestly guys, I wasn't really all that offended by the statement. He did use that after I mentioned reading the books. But thanks for caring. My marriage is doing ok now anyway, so maybe the books helped.

**|Bunghole|** · July 13, 2006

[quote name='BlackJesus' post='292966' date='Jul 12 2006, 08:16 PM'][b]And you of all people who went over there to play nice with those assholes at Squeeler Nation are the last person who I need to hear from in this matter or be lectured by. [/b][/quote]
Oh, I guess you mean me!
I went over there to [i]moderate[/i] a situation I deemed to be getting out of control, with the death threats (from BOTH sides, as I recall) and such.
I was simply trying to be diplomatic, and that is all. Your inference that I was sucking up to them is insulting.
Just like in this forum and over there, apparently you lack the maturity to have a rational debate lately with someone without resorting to these personal insults if someone doesn't agree with you. You didn't used to be this way. What gives?
:huh:

July 13, 2006

[quote name='Abu-Zayd' post='292925' date='Jul 12 2006, 07:19 PM']Hey Rick--
Hitler was aware of the situation of Jews in Germany. They had come in from the east and moved well into the entertainment, media, business, and finance areas. Their ways were different than the Germanic peoples and the German culture was being devastated due to this external, yet internal, influence. After the entire aftermath of World War I, and how the Jews had worked for their international strategy, against their home country of Germany, and they were increasing their power by the day. Hitler wanted them gone, and actually worked WITH the Jews (ashkenazim, especially the zionist movement) to move them along out of Germany.

The only other flag permitted to fly besides the nazi was that of Zionism. Zionist thugs and gangs regulated the ghettos, with no escape permitted. Chaim Romkowski aka "King of the Ghetto" in Lodz, Abraham Gancwajch, and others were like mob heads and ruled the population of Jews in Germany and other parts of europe. None of these are debated. Hell, even the Bushes took part. W's maternal and paternal grandfathers Herbert Walker and Prescott Bush both helped the Nazi cause.

But alas, this is a brief answer to the words Rick wrote. I also must answer the technique employed by Rick here. The Ressentiment dialectic is one that creates emotional blocks--by way of guilt--to analyzing and freely understanding the events of the last century, especially the latter half.

With Ressentiment, Rick attempted to liken the criticism of the actions of certain people to the criticisms of Hitler, and therefore to Hitler himself, and therefore to being deranged or a psychopath, like Hitler. Notice that never are issues openly discussed with evidence. The emotional response is requested and the arguments are dismissed without analysis.

Sad. And people complain that Americans are getting dumber.

AZ[/quote]

if it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck........ its probably a duck...

if you guys sound like a KKK dude, or a skinhead, or a facist... i'm sorry, but i am going to be skeptical of your teachings... especially when it makes almost no sense to me... how can israel control the american media, yet we can't control our own media?

and i am laughing over here... i TRIED to liken your words to the words i posted... they could be mistaken for a quote from coy or bj or even you abu...

and correct me if i'm wrong, but did you just justify alot of what Hitler was doing? i'll leave my comments about that silent for now...

yeah, i'm still anti - anti-zionist.... you guys sound too much like biggots to me...

[quote name='Coy Bacon' post='292928' date='Jul 12 2006, 07:31 PM']Hell, the Zionists share some similarities with Hitler. You share some similarities with Hitler. Big deal.[/quote]

you share the biggot part

July 13, 2006

[quote name='BlackJesus' post='292915' date='Jul 12 2006, 06:33 PM'][color="#990000"][b]Do Christians want to hear about their similarities with Hitler .... or what about Catholics ... ?

Hell he was also a Vegetarian ... and loved animals and had a pet dog .... don't tell me you own a Dog ... you little Eichman. :rolleyes:

Hell Hitler took shits sitting down .... do you sit when you shit ? Hitler also peed standing up sometimes I am sure ... please tell me you don't.

It is not necessary to be 100% diametrically opposed to evil people .... No one is 100 % Evil ... and no one is 100 % wrong in everything they say .... [/b] [/color][/quote]

Hitler blamed his ills on zionists...

you blame the worlds ills on zionists....

yeah, great comparision w/ the vigetarian part... you almost had me :pointlaff:

July 13, 2006

[quote name='bengalrick' post='293155' date='Jul 13 2006, 09:49 AM']Hitler blamed his ills on zionists...

you blame the worlds ills on zionists....

yeah, great comparision w/ the vigetarian part... you almost had me :pointlaff: [/quote]

[b]not true ... but hell you don't care .... type away .... your responses now border comedic relief more than anything
[/b]

July 13, 2006

[quote name='BlackJesus' post='293362' date='Jul 13 2006, 04:12 PM'][b]not true ... but hell you don't care .... type away .... your responses now border comedic relief more than anything
[/b][/quote]

[url="http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler"]click here[/url]

[i]My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Saviour as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, [b]recognised these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them[/b] and who, GodÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognise more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice...and if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. [/i]

[i]I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord's work. [/i]

[i]I don't see much future for the Americans...it's a decayed country. And they have their racial problem, and the problem of social inequalities...my feelings against Americanism are feelings of hatred and deep repugnance...everything about the behaviour of American society reveals that it's half Judaised, and the other half negrified. How can one expect a State like that to hold together?[/i]

[i]Therefore, I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews, I am doing the Lord's work [/i]

July 13, 2006

[quote name='bengalrick' post='293382' date='Jul 13 2006, 04:35 PM'][url="http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler"]click here[/url]

[i]My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Saviour as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, [b]recognised these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them[/b] and who, GodÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognise more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice...and if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. [/i]
[i]I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord's work. [/i]
[i]I don't see much future for the Americans...it's a decayed country. And they have their racial problem, and the problem of social inequalities...my feelings against Americanism are feelings of hatred and deep repugnance...everything about the behaviour of American society reveals that it's half Judaised, and the other half negrified. How can one expect a State like that to hold together?[/i]
[i]Therefore, I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews, I am doing the Lord's work [/i][/quote]

[b]Yes and you said he blamed his ills on Zionists ..... [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/30.gif[/img]

1. THE WORD ZIONISTS DOESN'T APPEAR ONE TIME IN THAT PASSAGE .... he blames Jews. I actually like a good portion of Jews .... Rabbinical Jews and Hasidic Jews share my same passage and hatred for Israel. Hell my favorite thinker in the world Noam Chomsky is Jewish and he also is honest about Israeli brutality.

2. You are using one passage .... however he also blamed ills on Homosexuals, gypsies, French, Communists, the mentally retarded - etc.

3. Zionists actually collaborated with the Nazis [url="http://www.counterpunch.org/brenner1223.html"]Link[/url]

* And he also believed that blond blue eyes aryans were a master race ... = Hell you accuse me of hating white people = thus I might not make a good Nazi. [/b]

Abu-Zayd · July 14, 2006

[quote name='bengalrick' post='293153' date='Jul 13 2006, 09:47 AM']if it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck........ its probably a duck...[/quote]

Unless it is a toy duck...lol

[quote]if you guys sound like a KKK dude, or a skinhead, or a facist... i'm sorry, but i am going to be skeptical of your teachings... especially when it makes almost no sense to me...[/quote]

See Rick, ressentiment is placed in the mind of the society (advertised through movies, talk shows, 'opinion personalities', etc.) for this very purpose. Most people are too afraid to move past the possibility of being labelled a 'bigot'. People become emotionally affected and they will avoid thinking and saying things which may be ssociated (in any way) with a person like Hitler, whether the idea is valid or not.

The ideas are not discussed. What actually happened is not discussed. The emotional response destroys any possibility of examining the facts in light of either new information or a new look at the information (and both). This is what is happening here. An attempt to liken the facts presented with a man who is portrayed as 'deranged'...therefore, unless I abandon certain conclusions and stop paying attention to certain facts, I too am deranged.

As Coy said, I am not afraid. I am not afraid because the ONLY One I fear, on Earth or anywhere else, is my Maker, my Master, my Lord, the One who will hold me accountable. I do not fear death, muchless any thing in life.

and if it does not make sense to you...keep studying. Keep at it. Understand it. Seek guidance from your Creator, who will guide you towards Truth if you ask with sincerity. Ask for it. Cry for guidance, beg for it. The Almighty will NOT fail you. But if you persist in arrogance, you will get confusion, a lack of real knowledge or understanding for the course of your life.

[quote]how can israel control the american media, yet we can't control our own media?[/quote]

Rick. Do you have a pet? Many times only the owner can really control it. Rick, I have showed in other posts who are the owners/presidents/CEOs of the corporate media organizations. If they OWN these BUSINESSES, and THEY are either ISRAELI (dual) citizens or "loyal" and "faithful" supporters of Israel and self professed zionists, who controls them?? This is not difficult to understand, Rick. Whoever own a company, controls it.

[quote]and correct me if i'm wrong, but [b]did you just justify alot of what Hitler was doing[/b]? i'll leave my comments about that silent for now...[/quote]

I did not (necessarily) justify what Hitler did. I understand what he did, based on what he believed. I cannot justify a satanist, and the actions of a satanist.

I said that Hitler "understood the situation of Jews in Germany". You can't argue with the situation as it existed. You can use ressentiment to try to avoid the facts, but you cannot argue with them.

[quote]yeah, i'm still anti - anti-zionist.... you guys sound too much like biggots to me...
you share the biggot part [/quote]

Rick, bigotry is emotinal negative feeling and action toward racially or ideologically distinct people. I see you take stances only due to emotion--ressentiment--without examining or analizing facts. This, by definition is bigotry.

My ideas are based on analysis and stemming from sincerity, which is quite opposite to bigotry.

AZ

Homer_Rice · July 14, 2006

[quote name='Abu-Zayd' post='293586' date='Jul 13 2006, 08:44 PM']I said that Hitler "understood the situation of Jews in Germany". You can't argue with the situation as it existed. You can use ressentiment to try to avoid the facts, but you cannot argue with them.[/quote]

Well, I'd argue with you. I'd begin by asking why this notion of ressentiment is so important to you? Could you go at it differently? Whenever I have encountered it, the notion has usage in the writings of Nietzsche and other existentialists, including Heidegger. The latter was, of course, a Minister of Education for the Third Reich. This is a crippling flaw in post-modern thought, imo. It seems that too many folks who are inclined towards philosophy have an undue respect for just those very fellows which justify and make possible regimes of the most brutal nature. This is mostly because their conception of human nature is a little skewed, especially from an epistemological perspective. I'd personally argue that as a matter of morality, too, in the case of most existentialists as well as devotees of Nietzsche.

Aspects of Zionism, the political doctrine, have much akin to fascism, the political philosophy. And in all this talk I have yet to hear the name Jabotinsky, especially his activity in Italy during Mussolini's time. Examine that link and one can get a sense for the potential affinities.

Personally, I think it possible to respect Judaism, dislike Zionism and it's secular effects in the world, and not have to refer to how Hitler understood the "Jewish Question" at all. Because, in fact, he did not. The man, as well as his doctrine, was perverted. That is to say, turned away from the truth.

Abu-Zayd · July 14, 2006

[quote name='Homer_Rice' post='293698' date='Jul 14 2006, 12:04 AM']Well, I'd argue with you. I'd begin by asking why this notion of ressentiment is so important to you? Could you go at it differently? Whenever I have encountered it, the notion has usage in the writings of Nietzsche and other existentialists, including Heidegger. The latter was, of course, a Minister of Education for the Third Reich. This is a crippling flaw in post-modern thought, imo. It seems that too many folks who are inclined towards philosophy have an undue respect for just those very fellows which justify and make possible regimes of the most brutal nature. This is mostly because their conception of human nature is a little skewed, especially from an epistemological perspective. I'd personally argue that as a matter of morality, too, in the case of most existentialists as well as devotees of Nietzsche.

Aspects of Zionism, the political doctrine, have much akin to fascism, the political philosophy. And in all this talk I have yet to hear the name Jabotinsky, especially his activity in Italy during Mussolini's time. Examine that link and one can get a sense for the potential affinities.

Personally, I think it possible to respect Judaism, dislike Zionism and it's secular effects in the world, and not have to refer to how Hitler understood the "Jewish Question" at all. Because, in fact, he did not. The man, as well as his doctrine, was perverted. That is to say, turned away from the truth.[/quote]

Ressentiment is a word. It attempts to describe the process by which it is discouraged to critically analize the true historical circumstances that have led us, the people, to our present condition of dis--ease. One critical aspect which ressentiment deflects attention and scrutiny from is the usurious history of Jewish people. Jesus' behavior towards the usurious Jews in his day is known through "The Bible". Throughout history, the activity of usury was condoned due to the 'misery' of the Jews in diaspora, and many christian elites used the services of Jews for this reason. And in fact, one of the points of the Nazi party was to root out usury, and to take back control of the national finances from the hands of the people without a nation and put it back into the hands of the nation.

In fact, if we were to apply this to our condition here in the US, we would be on the way to success. If we took the Federal Reserve bank out of our financial dealings, printed our own money (backed by the Gold standard), took all internationalist banks out of the equation, and nationalized our money, the root cause of the idea of world domination, namely wealth/power on an international level, would cease to serve its function. Of coarse it would not be quite that easy, as there would be ultimate resistance, including assassination, terror, and electing of new politicians who would serve the old masters, but this is the road to self reliance, independence, and "for the people, by the people".

I don't justify any regimes of brutality or terror or whatever else. I don't believe I could. I don't walk on insects when I walk on the ground, Homer, its inconceivable to think so frivolously about human life. Nietzsche gets a bad rap by many writers of history due to this stand, but that is part of the dialectic. Honestly Homer, ressentiment is word. You have a better word, I'll use that word. It is figuring out what happened this past century that I am interested in, not a word.

Zionism is not Judaism. Judaism as it was was the legacy and pride of the Children of Israel. This was their way of life, and it included the direct relationship to The Creator. God sent the Children of Israel, whom I consider to be my muslim (submitters to God) brothers, prophets one after the other. After the revelation of the Qur'an, the muslims are to honor the Jews, by giving them their due rights and we can marry their women and eat of their meat, etc. in a bond of friendship amongst people of scripture.

And I agree with you, Hitler views were not clear and not from an honorable perspective. They were skewed, in general, and I don't want to imply that his "ideology" was truthful. However, he did know that he did not want the Jews to continue to own Germany as they had accomplished in such short time after their influx from the east. This is what he noticed and understood, that if allowed to go unchecked, would completely control his nation.

Actually, the end result of the control he was trying to avoid has manifested itself in today's US of A. The media is in their hands, the printing presses, the newspapers, newsmagazines, key governmental advisory positions, entertainment industry is wholly controlled, including music and movies/acting, and the greatest of all--financial transactions. Can you argue with this control?

AZ

July 15, 2006

i like you abu, and i don't want you to take this the wrong way, b/c you don't embrace hitlers views... but i am extremely skeptical of anyone's views, if they also understand how hitler came to the "answer" to the jewish question... its one thing to say that i have to recognize there was a problem, but in that context, it should have never got brought up... the problem was his solution... that is what i'm afraid of now, as a matter of fact... i don't say there isn't a problem w/ israel, as well... i am wondering how you plan on solving that problem.... someone has to stop the pengallum that has been swinging for centuries...

July 15, 2006

[quote name='bengalrick' post='294263' date='Jul 15 2006, 11:51 AM']i like you abu, and i don't want you to take this the wrong way, b/c you don't embrace hitlers views... but i am extremely skeptical of anyone's views, if they also understand how hitler came to the "answer" to the jewish question...[/quote]

[b]Was Hitlers conclusion much different than the U.S. belief of Manifest destiny ? Hitler believed that he was doing the work of Christ by killing those he believed killed christ .... the US govt believed that God gave them all the land from the Atlantic to the Pacific to spread Christs message ... and thus the pesky brown people who already lived there needed to be taken care of to get them out of the way.

Hitler was evil .... but no more evil than many other people and historical figures in history. It is the Zionist lobby and media machine that has made Americans think of Hitler as the - Ultimate face of evil ... when in fact more people were killed under the reign of Stalin than Hitler. History is filled with evil twisted fuckers ... and evil twisted ideas .... but it is Zionism which implants the idea into Americans minds that somehow the "Holocaust" or "hitler" should stand out as more evil than all the rest. (they also hide the fact that Zionists collaborated with the Nazis). And this suits their mission , because thus when the Zionists are found to be using many of the policys Hitler used in Israel ... they will paint those people speaking out as "Supporters of Hitler" .... = when in fact I am consistant ... it was wrong when Hitler did it ... and it is wrong when Israel does it now. [/b]

Abu-Zayd · July 15, 2006

[quote name='bengalrick' post='294263' date='Jul 15 2006, 11:51 AM']i like you abu, and i don't want you to take this the wrong way, b/c you don't embrace hitlers views... but i am extremely skeptical of anyone's views, if they also understand how hitler came to the "answer" to the jewish question... its one thing to say that i have to recognize there was a problem, but in that context, it should have never got brought up... the problem was his solution... that is what i'm afraid of now, as a matter of fact... i don't say there isn't a problem w/ israel, as well... i am wondering how you plan on solving that problem.... someone has to stop the pengallum that has been swinging for centuries...[/quote]

Rick...getting out of a mess is much tougher than getting into it.

Hitler's solution was to come together with the zionist elements amongst the jewish and create the situation which forced the Jews to leave Germany and settle into Palestine, as it was called, something they did not want to do.

The present day solution to this massive injustice which is Palestine is not so simple. Peaceful dismantling of the state, as suggested by the Torah following Jews? Continued decimation of the Palestinian peoples until they either get the point that the Khazars are not going anywhere and will not give the land back; or until they are eliminated--as the Talmud following Jews may suggest? This is very superficial thought, ignoring the power brokers in the world and the 'ideas' that are involved in Palestine/Israel and throughout the New World Order.

Rick, I do know that the world strangehold on finance by the elitists must come to an end. I know that the world grasp on media has to come to an end. I know that satanic forces, which encourage girls to want to be like Brittney Spears and men to be playboys, have to be removed and a more honorable society has to be established. Drunken debauchery is surely not what Jesus, Moses, Zaroaster, Buddha, Krishna, or Muhammad intended for people.

What I believe will take place?

I submit to the Master. I look to revelation to guide me. The Qur'an and the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad indicate that there will be a society which will be established towards the latter end of times. This society will be the establisher of all things pernicious and base. Fornication, aka casual sex, hooking up, club life, etc., will be promoted...drunkenness will be promoted...killing will be an everyday affair, as human life will mean nothing...usury will be so widespread that not one person will be able to remain completely free of it... This society will be the manifestation of base things, and it will encompass the world. Jews will be the most prominent in this world order and will be the leaders of it.... most muslim scholars will have been killed, and ignorance will be rampant...in this society, the liars will be believed and the truthful ones will be ignored... Most muslims will have joined this society, named the Dajjal society, named so after the one who will emerge to be the leader of this world order, the 'Maseeh a Dajjal', or "the false Messiah", aka the anti-christ.... This individual will be able to speak to people all over the world at once and will travel long distances in very short time, on a large transport...this Dajjal will be 'one-eyed'.

Muhammad, a man who could not read, could not write, and was a simple man, stated this and much more over 1400 years ago, based on the information he received from his Lord, through the arc-angel Gabriel.

Only certain Muslims (ones who sincerely live life in accordance to God's prescriptions) will remain in defiance to the Dajjal. They will fight his forces. They will not be successful and many will be killed. Finally, Jesus, the son of Mary, will descend and will kill the Dajjal...and establish a just society on the planet. This is what I believe will take place to remedy the present situation, however long this process takes.

There are glimpses at these events in the remnants of prior scriptures as well

AZ

I pray that God ALmighty gives me the courage and sincerity to oppose the Dajjal.

July 15, 2006

That sounds interesting, Abu. Where does one acquire a Qur'an, and where would I read about the prophecies of the latter times? Do they break it down by books or chapters? I'm being serious, by the way. I love Revelations in the New Testament, and what you speak of sounds fascinating also.

July 15, 2006

[quote name='bengalrick' post='293153' date='Jul 13 2006, 09:47 AM']if it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck........ its probably a duck...

if you guys sound like a KKK dude, or a skinhead, or a facist... i'm sorry, but i am going to be skeptical of your teachings... especially when it makes almost no sense to me... how can israel control the american media, yet we can't control our own media?

and i am laughing over here... i TRIED to liken your words to the words i posted... they could be mistaken for a quote from coy or bj or even you abu...

and correct me if i'm wrong, but did you just justify alot of what Hitler was doing? i'll leave my comments about that silent for now...

yeah, i'm still anti - anti-zionist.... you guys sound too much like biggots to me...
you share the biggot part [/quote]

Hell, I sound like a bigot to you, and you most certainly sound like a bigot to me. So we don't like each other - big fuckin' deal. I probably could take one look at you and tell you that anyway. Judging by the positions you take, to you a bigot is anybody that won't acknowledge white supremacy as the natural and proper order of things, so I'm gonna be upset about you considering me a bigot? Boo-fuckin'-hoo.

**|Bunghole|** · July 15, 2006

[quote name='Coy Bacon' post='294342' date='Jul 15 2006, 01:41 PM']Hell, I sound like a bigot to you, and you most certainly sound like a bigot to me. So we don't like each other - big fuckin' deal. I probably could take one look at you and tell you that anyway. Judging by the positions you take, to you a bigot is anybody that won't acknowledge white supremacy as the natural and proper order of things, so I'm gonna be upset about you considering me a bigot? Boo-fuckin'-hoo.[/quote]
Jeez man, take issue with his positions, but...ah hell.
You sure are a mean one, Mr Grinch....

[quote name='Abu-Zayd' post='294339' date='Jul 15 2006, 01:32 PM']Rick...getting out of a mess is much tougher than getting into it.

Hitler's solution was to come together with the zionist elements amongst the jewish and create the situation which forced the Jews to leave Germany and settle into Palestine, as it was called, something they did not want to do.

The present day solution to this massive injustice which is Palestine is not so simple. Peaceful dismantling of the state, as suggested by the Torah following Jews? Continued decimation of the Palestinian peoples until they either get the point that the Khazars are not going anywhere and will not give the land back; or until they are eliminated--as the Talmud following Jews may suggest? This is very superficial thought, ignoring the power brokers in the world and the 'ideas' that are involved in Palestine/Israel and throughout the New World Order.

Rick, I do know that the world strangehold on finance by the elitists must come to an end. I know that the world grasp on media has to come to an end. I know that satanic forces, which encourage girls to want to be like Brittney Spears and men to be playboys, have to be removed and a more honorable society has to be established. Drunken debauchery is surely not what Jesus, Moses, Zaroaster, Buddha, Krishna, or Muhammad intended for people.

What I believe will take place?

I submit to the Master. I look to revelation to guide me. The Qur'an and the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad indicate that there will be a society which will be established towards the latter end of times. This society will be the establisher of all things pernicious and base. Fornication, aka casual sex, hooking up, club life, etc., will be promoted...drunkenness will be promoted...killing will be an everyday affair, as human life will mean nothing...usury will be so widespread that not one person will be able to remain completely free of it... This society will be the manifestation of base things, and it will encompass the world. Jews will be the most prominent in this world order and will be the leaders of it.... most muslim scholars will have been killed, and ignorance will be rampant...in this society, the liars will be believed and the truthful ones will be ignored... Most muslims will have joined this society, named the Dajjal society, named so after the one who will emerge to be the leader of this world order, the 'Maseeh a Dajjal', or "the false Messiah", aka the anti-christ.... This individual will be able to speak to people all over the world at once and will travel long distances in very short time, on a large transport...this Dajjal will be 'one-eyed'.

Muhammad, a man who could not read, could not write, and was a simple man, stated this and much more over 1400 years ago, based on the information he received from his Lord, through the arc-angel Gabriel.

Only certain Muslims (ones who sincerely live life in accordance to God's prescriptions) will remain in defiance to the Dajjal. They will fight his forces. They will not be successful and many will be killed. Finally, Jesus, the son of Mary, will descend and will kill the Dajjal...and establish a just society on the planet. This is what I believe will take place to remedy the present situation, however long this process takes.

There are glimpses at these events in the remnants of prior scriptures as well

AZ

I pray that God ALmighty gives me the courage and sincerity to oppose the Dajjal.[/quote]
I find this post to be utterly fascinating. So does the Qu'ran predict that Jesus comes and saves the world?

Abu-Zayd · July 15, 2006

What do I do in the meantime?

My life is lived in accordance to the prescriptions of my Creator, daily, to the best of my ability, sincerely. My intention is to tell everyone I come across that there was a messenger that appeared in the Baka valley after the great messenger Jesus, as prophesied even in the modern day Bible. Muhammad confirmed the prior messengers and brought guidance to humanity, teaching what is good for us and what is not good for us. To convey this call to Guidance is my job. This allows the hearers of this call to do individual investigation, and come to their own conclusions...

I raise a good family, in accordance with Qur'an and the teachings of Muhammad, and stay away from the influence of Dajjal, and most of all, spend time nearing myself to the Creator by devotion/worship, increase my consciousness of my Creator/Master, and to impart that guidance to others and to advise others in righting themselves.

Anyone of you interested in furthering your understanding of the way of the Prophets, get with me. If I am unable to answer your inquiries, I will find someone who can. The Qur'an is a living language message from Muhammad, from ALlah, through Gabriel. Consult it. If you have not read it, slowly, preferably with the explanations of a wise person, DO IT.

I cannot believe that Islam and Muslims are sooooo prominent in the scope of world life at this time, and the majority of people have not even read the Guidance that muslims live and die by. You owe it to yourself....Read it.

AZ

**|Bunghole|** · July 15, 2006

[i]From Abu's favorite, Wikipedia, on the Dajjal:[/i]

Dajjal
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ad-Dajjal (Arabic: دجّال) ("The Deceiver") is an evil figure in Islamic eschatology, who will appear before Yaum al-Qiyamah. Muslims believe he is the Antichrist, as viewed in Christianity.

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1 Attributes
2 Protection from the Dajjal
3 References
4 External links

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Attributes
Althought Dajjal is not mentioned in Qur'an but various Ahadith are preserved about the attributes of ad-Dajjal such as the following:

He will be physically misshapen, and see everything only with his left eye. His right eye will be present but it will be dark (black) and he will be unable to see through it. In a number of hadith he is referred to as one-eyed.
He will be of Jewish extraction
He will ride a beast which can cross seas, fly over land, and crawl under Earth.
He will be able to see and hear many things in many places.
He will deceive the faithful, teaching them that Heaven is Hell and vice versa.
He will have the power to work miracles in order to mislead believers.
He will try to put man on God's throne.
He will have the Arabic letters ka, fa and ra (kafir) - meaning unbeliever - on his forehead (equating to KFR or CFR). All believers whether literate or illiterate will be able to read this.
He will have what appears to be water and fire with him and call them Paradise and Hell: what will seem to be fire will be cold water (or Paradise) and what will seem to be water will be fire (or Hell).
He will claim to be God and will deceive people into thinking that he has risen the dead. One particular person he will kill and then say he will now resurrect him. Whereupon Allah will resurrect him. He will not have this power again.
Those who reject and refuse to believe in him will suffer drought and famine whereas those who accept him will be living a life of plenty.
Some traditions of Islam relate that he will appear at Isfahan, and that he will rally the Isfahan Jews and many former Muslims and Christians to his support.
He won't be able to enter Mecca or Medina
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Protection from the Dajjal
The Prophet Muhammad asked his followers to recite the first ten verses of Surah Al-Kahf as protection from the Dajjal. He also taught his followers to pray, "Ya Allah! I seek refuge in Thee from the trial of the Dajjal." He also stated that there is no tribulation greater than that of the Dajjal from the creation of Adam (prophet of Islam) to the Day of Resurrection.

JESUS AND THE MAHDI When our liege-lord the MahdÃƒÂ® sees him he will move back and say: "Step forward, Spirit from God!" Jesus will say: "The call to prayer was raised but for you, therefore, step forward!" Then our liege-lord Jesus will pray behind our liege-lord al-MahdÃƒÂ®. Because of this, it was said that among the immense merits of this Community of IslÃƒÂ¢m is that a Prophet beloved of God and brought near Him - one of the Messengers of High Resolve (ulÃƒÂ®l-`azm) - will pray behind an individual from this Community.

After the dawn prayer, our liege-lord the MahdÃƒÂ® will step back and hand over the leadership of the Community of IslÃƒÂ¢m to our liege-lord Jesus. When our liege-lord Jesus receives the leadership of the Community he will take up the flag and prepare the army to march to Jerusalem so as to seize it back and return it to truth and guidance and light.

THE GREAT DECEIVER (DAJJAL) In that time the Great Deceiver or DajjÃƒÂ¢l will have appeared. All the uproar and loud cries of the voices of money and materialism in the world today, in all their manifestations, are only preliminaries for the DajjÃƒÂ¢l. Everything that you see in this world producing weak souls and raising entire generations with the most tenuous of links to principles and values - people made into worldly automatons, worshippers of the world, their sole concern the world, their thought the world, their religion the world, their consciences the world - when the people are ripe in this sense, the DajjÃƒÂ¢l will emerge onto this world in the form of a missionary - a reformist missionary.

He will appear among the people then he will acquire fame and more fame. Many miracles will show at his hands. He will claim Prophethood. Then he will claim Divinity - our refuge is AllÃƒÂ¢h! We might very nearly have to envisage or imagine that a Muslim can actually follow some misshapen creature walking this earth and whom he will consider his Divine Lord!

However, the Most Beloved - God bless and greet him and his Family - told us about the DajjÃƒÂ¢l. He said he might enter an all-Muslim town and then exit it, all its population now disbelievers! God is our refuge from such a thing! Someone asked, what is the reason? It was said that the reason is that he will go to people whose hearts have grown attached to love of the world and whose entire identities have thoroughly mixed with the world and its train. For such, "whoever pays leads" (man yadfa` yutba`)!

This is what the people are being trained for today. They are being prepared for the DajjÃƒÂ¢l and his sovereignty. They are being educated today - in their economy, their politics, their societies, their relationships, their commerce, their undertakings and derelictions - all on the debilitated foundation that is the attachment of hearts to trivial worldly interests.

Whoever pays leads. For this was it related that the DajjÃƒÂ¢l will roam the earth. God will permit that people be tried at his hands. He will have control of their sustenance - agriculture, food, water - to the point he will say, "O heaven, rain!" and rain will pour; "O earth, sprout!" and vegetation will grow; "O plantations, bear fruit!" and fruit will ripen; "O living one, die! O dead one, rise!" and the dead will rise. God will grant him these displays and watch those whose hearts have latched upon externalities (mazÃƒÂ¢hir) be seduced while those whose hearts have latched upon the Hidden and Manifest (al-bÃƒÂ¢tin al-zÃƒÂ¢hir) remain oblivious to all but Him.

It was related that the DajjÃƒÂ¢l will roam the entire earth. It was related from the Beloved that he said: "Let none of you ever wish to meet the Arch-Deceiver!" In addition to the extreme gravity of the warnings of the Beloved against the DajjÃƒÂ¢l, he even said that there had never been any Prophet except he warned his people about the strife of the DajjÃƒÂ¢l. Indeed, IN EVERY PRAYER, AFTER RECITING THE FINAL WITNESSING OF FAITH (TASHAHHUD) AND THE BENEDICTION UPON HIS PURE SELF, HE WOULD SEEK REFUGE IN HIS LORD FROM "THE TRIAL (FITNA) OF LIFE AND THE TRIAL OF DEATH AND THE TRIAL OF THE ARCH-DECEIVER MASIKH." May God save us and you from his trial!

He - upon him blessings and peace - insisted so much on the terrible gravity of the DajjÃƒÂ¢l's strife before the Companions that some of them said, "We believed he was already among the date-trees of MadÃƒÂ®na." They believed he had arrived and would appear any moment among the people because of the fear caused by the reports of the Prophet - upon him blessings and peace - about him.

THE DIVINE PROTECTION Despite these incessant warnings and the fear caused by this forthcoming strife, the Messenger of God - upon him blessings and peace - said: "Whoever recites SÃƒÂ»rat al-Kahf the night before Jumu`a and its day, God will protect him from the strife of DajjÃƒÂ¢l."

O Messenger of God! You told us of a calamity that would shake the entire earth - a man that would control the world from East to West, roaming the earth, in his hand many of the powers that cause these calamities. The people of faith will experience hunger, poverty, distress. Then you said, after warning us of this terrible disaster that would befall us - so great that the Companions themselves thought the DajjÃƒÂ¢l had almost come out - that the remedy is to recite SÃƒÂ»rat al-Kahf the night before Jumu`a and its day? One SÃƒÂ»ra of the Qur'ÃƒÂ¢n containing one hundred and ten verses. Are you telling me that if I recite it, I will be safe from this huge disaster?

He says yes! So that you would understand that the greatness of this safety and salvation are linked to God Most High. WE ARE A COMMUNITY OF ISLAM WHOSE SALVATION AND SAFETY AND PRESERVATION DO NOT DEPEND ON SHORT-SIGHTED EXTERNALITIES AND POWERS NOR ON THEIR "MOVERS AND SHAKERS". We are a Community whose paths of salvation in the world and the hereafter consist in the attachment of our hearts to this most glorious Book, in the arousal of feelings in our hearts telling us of the greatness of the message that comes from God. There is no Muslim that regularly reads SÃƒÂ»rat al-Kahf every night before Jumu`a and every day of Jumu`a except he obtains a guarantee from the Beloved Elect - upon him blessings and peace - regarding his salvation from the trial of the DajjÃƒÂ¢l.

It was related from both Ibn Mas`ÃƒÂ»d and al-Hasan al-BasrÃƒÂ® that they received the news or rather heard the rumor that the DajjÃƒÂ¢l had come out. Al-Hasan laughed. He was asked "What makes you laugh?" He replied: "If he came out now, the boys of al-Basra would play with him the way they play with a foot ball." Why? Because in the time in which al-Hasan and Ibn Mas`ÃƒÂ»d were told of this rumor, the people had a firm foothold in certitude in their relationship with God. The sway of the DajjÃƒÂ¢l and his power cannot in the least affect hearts upon which the lights of certitude have dawned. THE SWAY OF THE DAJJAL HOLDS ONLY OVER HEARTS WHOSE CERTITUDE HAS WILTED AND WHOSE ATTACHMENT TO EVANESCENT MATTERS HAVE GROWN STRONG.

THE INVINCIBILITY OF MADINA It was related that the DajjÃƒÂ¢l would roam the earth and that when he reaches MadÃƒÂ®na the Radiant - upon its dweller the best blessings and greetings of peace! - and desires to enter it, the angels will stand in front of him at the gates of MadÃƒÂ®na and bar his passage. They will stand in front of him at a place the Messenger of AllÃƒÂ¢h - upon him blessings and peace - has named for us - al-Jurf - a place known today in MadÃƒÂ®na al-Munawwara. He will stand on a mountain there and look toward the Mosque of the Beloved and his grave, saying: "Look there, at that white building: that is the palace of Ahmad." He will try to enter but will be unable. Some of his followers will bring some people. The Prophet - upon him blessings and peace - said that when the DajjÃƒÂ¢l stands at the gates of MadÃƒÂ®na, MadÃƒÂ®na will shake three times; at that time, anyone in whose heart remain hypocrisy and dissemblance or other than firm attachment to God Most High shall be corrupted and follow the DajjÃƒÂ¢l. One of the narrations specifies they will reach eighty thousand. God is our refuge from that!

THE RIGHTEOUS WITNESS Some of the soldiers of the DajjÃƒÂ¢l will seize a man from among the righteous whom they think to be a common person. They will stand him before the DajjÃƒÂ¢l who will say to him: "Do you believe that I am your Lord?" He will reply: "No! You are none other than the Arch-Deceiver." He will say: "I am your Lord!" "No! You are the DajjÃƒÂ¢l!" He will say: "I am your Lord!" "No! You are the DajjÃƒÂ¢l!" He will then order for a saw to be brought. The saw will be placed in the middle of the righteous man's head and he will be sawed in half until he becomes two separate pieces and the horses will pass between the two. Then the DajjÃƒÂ¢l will give an order. He will be brought back together again and the DajjÃƒÂ¢l will pass his hand over him, after which he will live a second time, by the power of God. When he comes alive the DajjÃƒÂ¢l will look at him, thinking that he has definitely gained control over him, and say: "I have caused you to die and caused you to come alive again. Do you now believe that I am your Lord?" The man will reply: "My certitude has only increased that you are the DajjÃƒÂ¢l of whom the Messenger of AllÃƒÂ¢h - upon him blessings and peace - told us!" He will order him to be killed but will be unable to do so anymore.

THE KILLING OF THE DAJJAL Just as the DajjÃƒÂ¢l orders the righteous man to be killed he will hear a voice crying out: "The Spirit from God, Jesus, has descended!" When the DajjÃƒÂ¢l hears the name of our liege-lord `IsÃƒÂ¢ he will shake and tremble in fear. He will rush to Palestine . There, the army of our liege-lord Jesus and our liege-lord al-MahdÃƒÂ® will meet the army of the DajjÃƒÂ¢l at the gate of Ludd. When the DajjÃƒÂ¢l looks and sees our liege-lord Jesus, upon him peace, surrounded with a halo of light, the DajjÃƒÂ¢l will melt - as mentioned in the hadÃƒÂ®th - just as salt melts in water. Our liege-lord Jesus will approach him and so will our liege-lord al-MahdÃƒÂ®. They will strike him with their two swords and kill him.

O nations of the Believers, this matter is not just a story we hear for our hearts to be moved a little. This is about living, this is a method one follows, a path one takes, this is a transaction that is going to take place and in which we are going to be involved. AT THIS VERY MOMENT THE ARMIES OF THE CHRIST ARE GETTING READY AND SO ARE THE ARMIES OF THE DAJJAL. THE MEANING OF THIS PREPARATION IS THAT CERTAIN ATTRIBUTES IN THE HEARTS ARE RISING AND TAKING FIRM ROOT IN THE ARMY OF TRUTH AND RIGHT WHILE CERTAIN ATTRIBUTES ARE ALSO FORMING IN THE ARMY OF FALSEHOOD.

CHRIST, ANTI-CHRIST, AND THE JEWS It is also said that the wisdom for which God has the killing of the DajjÃƒÂ¢l take place at the hands of our liege-lord the Christ is that the DajjÃƒÂ¢l is the manifestation of the oppression of materialism while our liege-lord the Christ is the manifestation of the supremacy of the spirit in this existence. The DajjÃƒÂ¢l is also named "anointed" (masÃƒÂ®h), but "the anointed arch-liar and deceiver" (al-masÃƒÂ®h al-kadhdhÃƒÂ¢b al-dajjÃƒÂ¢l). He was named masÃƒÂ®h because at some point in his career he will claim that he is our liege-lord the Christ.

This is because when the Jews fought the Christ - the spirit from God - and refused to believe in him and submit to his mission, they then denied that the Christ had appeared even as it was written in their books that the Christ would appear. Therefore, they claimed that our liege-lord Jesus was a great liar - and he is far exalted beyond their claim! - and they opposed him and tried to kill him. But God saved him, {They did not slay him, neither crucified him, only a likeness of that was shown to them} (4:157).

Then our liege-lord the Christ was raised up to the near heaven - upon him peace - and the Jews remained as they were, in their belief that the Christ had not yet come out. They are now waiting for a Christ to come, and their Christ is the DajjÃƒÂ¢l. About ten years ago or more a manifestation took place in Tel-Aviv in which a large placard was hoisted, saying: "Welcome to the impending appearance of the Prince of Peace." This is the one they claim to be the Christ, but he is the Arch-Deceiver.

THE SECRET OF THE CREATION OF JESUS AND MARY The entire matter is connected to the days in which God caused our liege-lord Jesus to exist.

The time in which our lady Mary was born - the purest and most blessed, upon her peace! - was a time in which the tyranny of materiality held full sway over the Jews. The interests of the world dominated them completely. They even altered the word of God for the purpose of their buying and selling - the rulings of the sacred Law. God forbade usury in all the dispensations, so they altered the rulings and made usury permitted to themselves. They made permitted to themselves much of what God had forbidden them. They made up clouds to obscure the order of the heavenly call which had been directed to them for the purpose of running after material concerns. They became slaves of materialism.

Among the Jews there remained some righteous souls such as the Prophets and their entourage and those that affiliated themselves to them. Among these righteous souls was our lady Hanna the mother of our lady Mary, upon both of them peace. Hanna was one of the righteous women, one of the Godwary, worshipful, devoted to prayer and good works. She had great love for Prophets, saints, and the devotees that were in Jerusalem . When she became pregnant from her husband, she felt that she might give birth to a boy and so she vowed that what she carried in her womb would be dedicated to the service of God. {Lord, I have vowed to You, in dedication, what is in my womb} ( 3:35 ). She vowed that the newborn would serve the temple of Jerusalem so as to become prepared for the service of the Religion.

HANNA'S VOW Look at the effect of intention. What is our goal when we want to have children, what is our intention? The very deliverance which the Community awaits, at the hands of our liege-lord Jesus, upon him peace! - there will be for Hanna an ample portion of its reward and benefit. For she possessed an intention with God! Look at this fortunate woman who, when she intended that in her offspring there would be someone who serves God, someone who would serve this Religion, when she was truthful in such an intention, God honored her because of her intention, but not in the way she thought. For she gave birth to a female child.

(And when she gave birth to her she said, Lord, I have given birth to her, a female. And God knows very well what she had given birth to; the male is not as the female. And I have named her Mary, and commend her to You with her seed, to protect them from the accursed Satan( ( 3:36 ). What was the reply? (Her Lord received the child with gracious favor(. The sum total of what the hearts of the truthful seek is that their Lord receive them with gracious favor! {Her Lord received the child with gracious favor, and by His goodness she grew up comely. Zachariah taking charge of her} ( 3:37 ). The intention of Hanna made the one she bore to be accepted, even though it was other than what she had envisaged and wished for, since she had wished for a boy and she got a girl.

RIGHTEOUS AND TRUTHFUL INTENTIONS ARE NOT IN VAIN IN THE PRESENCE OF GOD REGARDLESS OF THE JUDICIAL CALCULATIONS OF HUMANKIND AND EVEN IF HUMAN HOPE AND HUMAN PLANS DID NOT MATERIALIZE. A girl came, but intentions are never lost in the presence of God - and thousands upon thousands of men are not worth Mary's foot!

SECLUSIONS AND MIRACLES OF MARY She gave birth to our lady Mary. Our Lady Mary grew up, fed with purity, light, Godwariness, and righteousness. Those of the Prophets, saints, and hermits that were in Jerusalem drew lots to see who would take charge of her. The lot fell to Zachariah. He was a relative of Mary. Zachariah placed her in a mihrab. The mihrab back then was not the prayer-niche we know today but consisted in an isolated cell or tower that had no door nor opening except from the top. It could be entered only with a ladder from the outside and another ladder down into it. Zachariah placed her in it. He would bring her food and go. She practiced her devotions and worship in absolute dedication and chastity, orienting herself wholly to her Lord in her cell.

God showed our liege-lord Zachariah certain wonders. {Whenever Zachariah went into the sanctuary where she was, he found that she had food. He said: O Mary! Whence comes unto you this (food)? She answered: It is from God. God gives without stint to whom He will. There Zachariah prayed unto his Lord} ( 3:37 -38). Consider the saying of God, {There}. Zachariah is a Prophet and therefore better than our lady Mary who is a truthful saint (SiddÃƒÂ®qa). However, because of the high rank which our lady Mary gained, upon her peace, she became in a position to teach one of the Prophets! At that point, one of the Prophets actually became her pupil in the Religion.

They said that our liege-lord Zachariah wondered from where the fruits he found there came. They said he would find with her the fruits of winter in the summer season and the fruits of summer in the winter season. He knew full well that no one other than he entered that place which was shut tight and inaccessible - but, more importantly, such fruits were not to be found in the land since they were out of season! She said, {It is from God}.

Yes, O Prophet of God, the fact of the matter is the certitude that sustenance is from my Lord and not from any created cause. We do know that we are commanded to deal with created causes and effects - however, if created causes and effects have been suppressed, then the sustenance of God Almighty can never be suppressed!

{There Zachariah prayed unto his Lord}. He asked for a pious offspring. God gave him our liege-lord John, upon him peace.

Then came the tremendous event in which God manifested Himself and for which He had prepared our lady Mary. {And make mention of Mary in the Scripture, when she had withdrawn from her people to a chamber looking East} ( 19:16 ). The Ulema said that {East} was an allusion to the Orient from where the sun rose - that is, to the East from her perspective. The people are accustomed to praise the East because it is the place from the direction of which the light comes. {When she had withdrawn from her people to a chamber looking East and had chosen seclusion (hijÃƒÂ¢ from them} ( 19:16 -17). They said that the hijÃƒÂ¢b meant she hid herself from mankind to dedicated herself to the Divine worship. After she tasted the sweetness of worship in her cell she wished to taste the sweetness of worship in her travelling on the earth.

ANNUNCIATION {Then We sent unto her Our spirit and it assumed for her the likeness of a perfect man} ( 19:17 ). When she saw our liege-lord Gabriel, he assumed for her an excellent likeness, the likeness of a human being. {She said: Lo! I seek refuge in the Beneficent One from you, if you are God fearing. He said: I am only a messenger of your Lord} ( 19:18 -19). She realized the secret behind his presence - the receiving of the manifestation (tajallÃƒÂ®) that dawned upon her from God. {That I may bestow on you a faultless son} ( 19:19 ). What is behind such a gift? {She said: How can I have a son when no mortal has touched me, neither have I been unchaste! He said: So your Lord said} ( 19:20 -21).

Consider now the presence of food for our lady Mary as she was in her cell, dedicated to her worship, without means nor sensory cause. THIS WAS A PREAMBLE SO THAT OUR LADY MARY WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT FOR THE EXISTENCE OF THE NEWBORN, ALSO, THERE WAS NO PRE-CONDITION OF MEANS. The matter was not, for our lady Mary, merely a mental apprehension. Rather, it was a discernment of certitude and of the heart (dhawq yaqÃƒÂ®nÃƒÂ® qalbÃƒÂ®). For she witnessed and saw with her very eyes the Divine gift with which human custom and cause-and-effect were breached right in front of her! After that, she did not consider it strange that a customary cause be breached in the occurrence of a newborn child for her.

BIRTH OF JESUS AND FURTHER TESTS OF MARY Then came the time for giving birth. It was said that the spirit [of the child] was breathed into her, the pregnancy took place, and the time of birth came all at one and the same time. Do not think this strange. The matter, from beginning to end, violates custom. The matter is one of the manifestations of the power of God Almighty!

When she felt the time of birth had come, {And the pangs of childbirth drove her unto the trunk of the palm tree. She said: Oh, would that I had died before this and had become a thing of naught, forgotten!} ( 19:23 ). When she reached this stage, the Ulema pondered why she had asked for death while she was in the very midst of Divine generosity. One of them said: "Because she knows that the Israelites had reached such a lowly state of vile attachment to the world and its overwhelming lusts and materialism that they would never accept the sight of God's favor and the breach of customary laws that took place with Mary." Someone else said, "No, she wished that she had not lived to see that day only because God had shown her that her son might one day be worshipped together with God Almighty."

She gave birth to our liege-lord Jesus - upon our Prophet and upon him the best blessings and salutations of peace! The lights of Jesus dawned upon this earth. When he saw the [distraught] state of his mother he addressed her even as he was in her womb or from below her [after birth]. He caused her to apprehend another meaning that reminded her of the magnificence of God Who is with her - High and Exalted! {And shake the trunk of the palm tree toward you, you will cause ripe dates to fall upon thee} ( 19:25 ).

Here we tend to recite this verse without pausing. The palm tree is solid. It is difficult for a human being to shake it. A strong and mighty man would hardly budge a palm tree, even a number of men! The palm tree trunk at the bottom is very large while its top is thin so that the wind can move it. Try to move a fully grown palm tree at the bottom of its trunk, you will not be able. How then can a woman in the weakness of giving birth be able to shake it? Yet this act is demanded of her and it is not sufficient for her to merely see the Divine bounty.

In the first two phases, she saw the Divine gift before her. The first time was for her schooling. Lo and behold, fruits and sustenance descended from the heaven and were laid before her without her asking. The second time she was told that she would give birth without outward nor sensory cause and without connection to any man, again, without her asking. Now, it is asked of her that she herself move the palm tree.

Some of the Ulema said that this was an allusion to the world of cause and effect and to the fact that mankind is not to leave aside material means even though they rely on their Causator. This is a fine explanation. However, there is another meaning. THE CERTITUDE THAT HAD BUILT UP IN OUR MOST BLESSED LADY MARY - UPON HER PEACE - THE VIRGIN, HAD TAKEN ROOT IN HER CONSCIENCE WITH SUCH STRENGTH THAT IT WAS NOW ASKED OF HER TO DO WHAT NO MIND WOULD ACCEPT TO DO WHATSOEVER.

LESSONS FROM MARY'S CERTITUDE The mind says that in such a state there is no way for her to move the trunk of the palm tree. However, the order or directive came to her from her own child - a breach of custom in its own right, a newborn infant speaking - and with this same breach of custom she was ordered to stretch her hand to do what she knew she was unable to do of her own power howsoever! And this is a meaning from certitude to which our lady Mary ascended.

We own a share of this certitude which we ought to grasp and follow. When God Most Glorious and Exalted asks us to do something from which we find our strength falling short, we ought not to procrastinate obeying the Divine order with the excuse that we are too weak or that others are stronger. The day the Umma reaches the certitude that when they are true in helping God, God will help them [47:7] - at that time the palm trees of existence shall shake for this Community!

JEALOUSY OF THE ISRAELITES Our pure lady the Virgin rose with her newborn child and returned to the Israelites. The Jews received her and saw her whom they knew to be chosen. Some of them might well have harbored jealousy in their souls against her because of her special station. Those whose hearts have muddied or become diseased find it difficult to watch those that are hale respected and honored in the society.

This is what is called jealousy (hasad). The mark of jealousy is recognized in the heart of the jealous person by the fact that when he sees markers of distinction before him - whether in Religion or anything else - something takes hold in his heart; after this he bides his time patiently, patiently, until, when he hears the smallest suspicion or accusation, he shouts "Yes!" loud and clear in its confirmation and is overjoyed at its news. Why? Because in his heart there is filth and turbidity.

When such filth and turbidity had taken root in the hearts of those people, they felt that in the special distinction of our liege-lord Mary - upon her peace - lay an implicit address to themselves. They seemed to hear the message: "You ought to return to purity, O those who have polluted yourselves with the world and its lucre and its show to which you should never have attached yourselves! Here, before your eyes, is a weak woman that has been honored with this high station of purity while you, who lead your society, how far behind you have left purity!"

THE GREAT ADMONITION TO MARY AND JESUS' NATION Thus, the state of purity of the Virgin Mary was a state of admonition that had been overturning the beds of those possessed of insight among the worshippers of money and materiality. Now, as soon as they saw the nursing infant in her arms, they became overjoyed. {They said: O Mary! You have come with an amazing thing!} ( 19:27 ). Why did they not ask when they had a chance to learn something? But their muddied hearts could not bear to see the purity of the Virgin before their eyes. This is the wont of those who have polluted themselves with the worship of Mammon. It is too much for them to see purity revered and followed among the people.

{Then she pointed to him. They said, How can we talk to one who is in the cradle, an infant?} ( 19:29 ). God did not give them pause for her to answer them. Lo and behold! our liege-lord the Christ replied to them and spoke although he was a nursing infant: {He spoke: Lo! I am the slave of God. He has given me the Scripture and has appointed me a Prophet} ( 19:30 ). He listed the meanings which God Most High had especially bestowed upon him and the ranks with which He had honored him. He made the key to that list the affirmation that he was the slave of God, his servanthood to God Most High. Then, proceeding from the secret of his servanthood to God Most High, came the ranks: {He has given me the Scripture and has appointed me a Prophet}.

Then he described himself as blessed, then he described himself as dutiful so we would know that the secret of dutiful piety is not binding merely upon those who possess it but also applies to others. THE SOCIETIES THAT RECOGNIZE THE DEGREES OF PIETY AMONG ITS PEOPLE OF MERIT ARE THE SOCIETIES THAT RISE UP IN THE RANKS OF MERIT.

God had said to her before she went back out to her people: {And if you meet any mortal, say: Lo! I have vowed a fast unto the Beneficent, and may not speak this day to any mortal} ( 19:26 ). Ponder this meaning. The rule would have been that He tell her: "Get ready to answer them. Say to them, God is able over all things. Give them the proof and the evidences: I carried and gave birth in a very brief time, you saw me just before and I was not pregnant, if this had been a falsehood or a sin, this should have taken the normal span of time, nine months...." But He did not give her permission to speak nor to prove her innocence. {Say: Lo! I have vowed a fast unto the Beneficent, and may not speak this day to any mortal}. Meaning, in facing this [trial] I have turned entirely to my Lord Almighty and Glorious.

{Then she brought him to her own folk, carrying him. They said: O Mary! You have come with an amazing thing. O sister of Aaron! Your father was not a wicked man nor was your mother a harlot} ( 19:27 ). Ponder this here. It was said that {O sister of Aaron} implied parentage. It was also said that Aaron was proverbially known for integrity and purity. That is: You who have reached, because of your purity, a proverbial level. {Your father was not a wicked man nor was your mother a harlot}. This is a preamble for the charge that is coming up. After falsehood settles firmly in the heart of the dishonest person, he becomes refined in the art of bringing out that falsehood. "We know so well that you are righteous and goodly, but this - this terrible thing you have done!!" They seem happy to see evil.

JESUS' ATTRIBUTES {Then she pointed to him. They said, How can we talk to one who is in the cradle, an infant?}. The answer came. {He spoke: Lo! I am the slave of God. He has given me the Scripture and has appointed me a Prophet and has made me blessed wheresoever I may be} ( 19:29 -31). So then blessing is with our liege-lord Jesus wherever he is. When he walked upon the earth blessing was with him wherever he walked, and after he ascended to the heaven blessing ascended wherever he ascended.

{And He has enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving so long as I remain alive and has made me dutiful toward her who bore me, and has not made me arrogant, unblessed} ( 19:31 -32). And now the fruit of what preceded: {Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive! Such was Jesus, son of Mary: a statement of the truth concerning which they doubt?} ( 19:33 ). When this meaning came into broad daylight they were crestfallen and remained unable to say anything.

JESUS' MISSION Our liege-lord Jesus grew up, fed with purity. When God willed to send him forth, his mission among his people was the mission of the spirit: to link the hearts back with their Lord and revive values and morals. This is the reason we do not find, in the Evangel, much talk about rulings and laws but instead find that the Evangel focuses on morals, parables, and spirituality. For our liege-lord Jesus said, as is mentioned in the Evangel: "I was sent for the lost sheep of the Sons of Israel." That is, God sent me to those whom the world has so overwhelmed that they have become as dumb beasts, unconcerned by other than food, drink, and lusts, without the least heed to rising to any Divine connection.

When they did not accept that magnificent mission, denying its truth, plotting against it, denigrating it and defaming our liege-lord Jesus while some of them believed in him, God desired to cleanse him and raise him up to the second heaven. He raised him up - upon him peace - and the days passed while they remained in their disbelief, defacing the creed, far from spirituality and connection, and so until the time came when our liege-lord Muhammad appeared - upon him and his House blessings and peace! Our liege-lord Jesus had given the glad tidings about him in the Evangel.

THE PROPHET MUHAMMAD AND HIS INHERITORS Our liege-lord Muhammad appeared! God gave him a Book and He gave him rulings. He guaranteed that they would not be altered nor changed. The people then remained, on this earth, in the fold of true submission (IslÃƒÂ¢m) and belief (ÃƒÂ®mÃƒÂ¢n). The spirituality of our liege-lord Muhammad's proofs pointing to God rose and became disseminated in his Companions and the people of his House as well as all those that followed. The entire Community rose up in the levels of their connection to God and showed such wonders that the onlooker can hardly believe that such deeds took place at the hands of human beings other than the sinless Prophets.

These wonders appeared in many of the individuals of this Community and in their human transactions. Their spirits are intimately connected with the One True God, Most High and Exalted - monks by night and knights by day. And so the centuries passed. The world began to enter many of the hearts of the followers of this religious Community. The Prophet had predicted - upon him blessings and peace - that every Community had its [golden] calf. That is: a calf that is worshipped apart from God Most High. He said: "And the calf of my Community is the dinar and the dirham." He also said, upon him blessings and peace, as narrated in al-BukhÃƒÂ¢rÃƒÂ®: "I do not fear that you will commit idolatry after me" - because the creed is well-preserved - "but I fear for you the lure of the world."

One day, the zakÃƒÂ¢t funds came from al-Bahrayn, the poor among the Companions came from the outer limits of the city, hoping for the generosity of the Prophet - upon him blessings and peace - with something from that zakÃƒÂ¢t. The Beloved Prophet - upon him blessings and peace - turned around after the dawn prayer and saw that the mosque was full. He said: "Have the news reached you that the zakÃƒÂ¢t of al-Bahrayn has arrived?" They said, "Yes, O Messenger of God!" He said, "Receive the good tidings and be glad, then! By God! I do not fear poverty for you. However, I fear that the world will be laid wide open before you just as it was laid open for those before you, and you will compete in it just as they competed in it, and it will destroy you just as it destroyed them."

He also said to some of his Companions one day: "What will you do when a dish is brought to you in the morning and another dish in the evening?" That is: what will you do when you start eating twice in the same day? For some of our liege-lords the Companions might have spent three days without eating, yet they took up their swords and fought in the way of God. Yet they prayed at night and fasted by day, learned and taught and called people to God! They owned hearts that had become completely disconnected from material concerns in the sense of followership. They remained connected to material concerns only in the sense of worshipping their Lord. They treated such concerns purely as ways and means, without any attachment to them.

As a result, one of them saw no harm in facing an entire army alone. It should come as no surprise that Ja`far ibn AbÃƒÂ® TÃƒÂ¢lib took up the flag in his right hand, then his right hand was cut off, but his soul did not allow him to let the flag go down because his heart had lifted up the flag well before his hand! The flag was in his heart. So the left hand took it up, then the left hand was cut off, then he carried it up with his two limbs, then he fell on the ground but the flag never fell from him. In his body there were over eighty cuts from sword-blows, spears, and arrows. All these cuts were in the front of his body for he had been facing the enemy at all times and never thought of fleeing. Stranger yet is that when water was presented to him so that he could relieve his thirst in the throes of death, lips parched, completely exhausted, he said: "I am fasting."

These are the attributes with which God granted them victory. "I am fasting." They said: "In such a time, on such a day? Break your fast today and you will fast again tomorrow!" He replied: "I long to break my fast in Paradise ." Such was his state. Then he gave up the spirit [in Mu'ta, Jordan ], and the Beloved Elect - upon him blessings and peace - was sitting in the presence of his Companions [in MadÃƒÂ®na] when he described the entire battle in detail. After this, he - upon him blessings and peace - rose his head and said: "Wa-`alayk as-SalÃƒÂ¢m, wa-rahmatullÃƒÂ¢h, wa-barakÃƒÂ¢tuh, O Ja`far!" The Companions expressed surprise, whereupon he said: "That was Ja`far, the angels carried his spirit to Paradise and he refused to enter it until he first greeted me!"

Such were those who owned spirits attached to the highest realities - love and its heartfelt discernment. Their spirits were not dedicated to pleasures nor motivated by them. Rather, they reveled in and tasted the love of God and His Messenger. Since these were their states, God exalted their lights. `Umar ibn al-KhattÃƒÂ¢b, God be well-pleased with him, who used to nap or sleep under a tree on the dirt, then would get up and dust himself off, is the one at whose hand the two greatest empires of corruption at the time were conquered - the Romans and the Persians.

THE END OF THE TYRANNY OF MATERIALISM Such was the state which the Messenger of God - upon him blessings and peace - left behind when he left us. Then the Community began to go backward. Love of the world crept forward. The calf held sway over the hearts. The people hanged back from true guidance. Materialism captured their hearts. The people stood in need of those that would return them to their spiritual realities. Since the faith was preserved from corruption through the Divine guarantee that it would never be altered exclusively of other faiths, the rulings of the Law remained intact - in the books.

These rulings still have to be transformed into rules of living practiced by the hearts. THE UMMA NEEDS, IN THIS AGE IN WHICH MERCILESS MATERIALISM RULES, THE APPEARANCE OF MASSIVE SPIRITUALITY CONNECTED TO THE ALMIGHTY GOD WITH AN UNBROKEN LINK TO THE HEAVEN. THROUGH IT GOD WILL RETURN THE COMMUNITY TO ITS SPIRITUALITY, AND THAT EVENT IS LINKED TO THE DESCENT OF JESUS, UPON HIM PEACE.

At that time, the manifestation of spirituality will descend, in this age of utter materialism, and will link back the individuals of this Community to their Book, their Religion, and the guidance of our liege-lord Muhammad - upon him blessings and peace. He will walk the earth, not with the dispensations of previous times that were in use before him - since they have been corrupted - but he will orient the people and spread goodness, peace, faith, and IslÃƒÂ¢m in the earth through rules and rulings taken from the noble Qur'ÃƒÂ¢n and from the guidance of our liege-lord Muhammad because these were not corrupted. The rulings remain the rulings but our liege-lord Jesus will come in order to transform them into living rules that will reach to the hearts of all people.

After the manifestation of absolute spirituality appears in this existence in the face of absolute materiality, the latter will crack and cave in before the former, because materiality comes second to the spirit. Materiality was created only as a servant to the spirit, were it not for the foolishness of the people and their covetousness that caused them to make of themselves servants of materialism! WHEN THE MANIFESTATION OF THE TYRANNY OF MATERIALISM LOOKS AT THE MANIFESTATION OF THE SUPREMACY OF THE SPIRIT IT SHALL MELT AND BE POWERLESS TO RESIST. AT THAT TIME THE DIVINE VICTORY WILL APPEAR IN PLAIN SIGHT, AT THE HAND OF OUR LIEGE-LORD JESUS, UPON HIM PEACE.

CONVERSION OF THE FOLLOWERS OF JESUS Jesus will kill the DajjÃƒÂ¢l and the earth will be filled, from east to West, with the lights of IslÃƒÂ¢m and faith. There will not remain a single house in existence except the lights of belief and guidance will enter it. Those truthful and sincere followers of Jesus that love him and are connected to him will enter IslÃƒÂ¢m at his hands at that time. It is among the great wonders that Jesus will descend "at the site of the white minaret East of Damascus" while at the very side of this minaret there is a Christian church, as if, upon his descent, he will be greeted both by the Muslims and the Christians.

The Muslims will welcome him in their SalÃƒÂ¢t so that he will pray among them. Then he will receive his followers that lived their lives believing in him and loving him so that he will join them into his Godly troops. After this, they will march one and all to fight the oppression and the enmity of the Jews at that time. Then God will raise up His light-tower over this world.

FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS We must remember that what we just heard is not merely a story for our souls to be moved a little or for our thoughts to perk up temporarily or become joyful or shed tears. The discourse about our liege-lord the Christ is a method to be followed. Those that possess this guidance and this discernment and taste for the spirit and for their connection to spirituality will be the ones at whose hands God will open the gates of deliverance for this Umma. We must know that even if the greatest manifestation of the deliverance we await will take place at the descent of our liege-lord the Christ, nevertheless, it is not part of our Religion that we should wait until our liege-lord the Christ descend and be content with the evil which we are experiencing.

The story of the Christ was assigned, and news of it came from the mouth of our liege-lord Muhammad, only so that we would know that this is the path of right guidance. Namely, that the linkage of hearts must be to their Almighty and Glorious Lord and that materiliality belongs underhand and underfoot. Putting God first, before anything else, is the way of safety and success.

It would have been possible for the Messenger of God ( never to tell us anything about this. He could have said, You will be victorious, end of the matter. But why, O Messenger of God, did you teach us and remind us of all this, that salvation and victory will be at the hands of our liege-lord the Christ? So that we would live this right here and now and be prepared for this victory. Let each of you rise in the morning and reach the night as he is preparing the Umma of the Prophet ( for this final victory.

Let each rise in the morning and reach the night with his heart bound to his Lord with hoops of steel, preferring God to everything else. When the world comes to him with its pomp, trying to delay him from his connection to his Lord, he prefers his Lord to everything else. He does not accept for the world to enroll him. He refuses to cheat or deceive in his buying and selling, in his trading, in his property. He is not a slave to the dinar and the dirham.

The Messenger of God Muhammad said: "Perish the worshipper of gold and silver and silk, who agrees when given and, if he does not get anything, becomes angry. He has perished and failed! [Or: Perish, and failure to him!] If adversity come to him, may it not go away." That is, his state is a state of affliction. Consider the words of the Prophet, "If adversity come to him [literally: If he gets pricked by a thorn], may it not go away [literally: he does not remove it]." That is: when a thorn pricks him, he can very well remove it with pincers, but no! It is not the case. What is the meaning of these words? Worldly people, when disease afflicts them, go to the physician and undergo an operation in the best hospital, end of story. The meaning is that the thorn, as trivial as it may be, spoils one's serenity. It embitters him and troubles his peace. A thorn! Ouch! What! But! He feels disturbed, afflicted. The Messenger of God says, in this context, that the one who is a worshipper of gold and silver, living for appearances - a silk shirt - when a problem happens to him, he sips its sequels and treats it as a disaster, so that even when the disaster is gone, its agony lingers in himself.

But the one who is connected to God, God honors him. Even in the worst affliction, God causes to descend upon his heart the coolness of contentment so that he is at peace with God Most Glorious and Exalted and accepts His Decree that came to pass.

Reflect and nourish your feelings with such high meanings. Ask for your connection and your portion of the meaning of your affiliation to the army of truth and the rallying-place (fustÃƒÂ¢t) of belief so as to come out of the predicament in which we are. Whoever neglects the purification of his heart and the correction of his character, his heart will be overcome by hypocrisy - our refuge is God! - little by little until he leans to the rallying-place of disbelief which is devoid of all faith.

The battle of disbelief and belief is coming whether we like it or not. However, preparation for that battle is not merely with weapons or swords or strategy! Rather, preparation for that battle is by getting ready hearts whose fill is God - hearts that do not become full except with the magnification of the Almighty. This is the real preparation for what is coming upon this Community.

CLOSING SUPPLICATIONS May God make us and you qualified for this preparation. May He bless us and you with it. May He awaken us to its full meanings. May He make sweet for us its wellsprings. May He cause us to stop at its contents and secrets. May He cause us to attain realization with it outwardly and inwardly.

AllÃƒÂ¢humma! Thank and reward on our behalf our liege-lord Muhammad with the best reward. Thank and reward on our behalf all the Prophets and Messengers with the best reward. AllÃƒÂ¢humma! Refresh our eyes with a victory for the army of our liege-lord the Christ Jesus when he comes. Make us of those You choose so that they will be on the side of truth and belief.

AllÃƒÂ¢humma! Purify and deliver our hearts from the darkness of hypocrisy. Purify and deliver our hearts from the darkness of hypocrisy. Purify and deliver our hearts from the darkness of hypocrisy so that no trace of hypocrisy remain in our inward selves nor its outward sign until, when You separate the people and set apart falsehood from truth and hypocrisy from belief, we beg You to place us in the ranks of the people of belief. We seek refuge in the light of Your countenance which has dispelled all darkness from being placed in the ranks of the people of hypocrisy and falsehood.

Our God and Lord! You see all that lies hidden in our hearts. If You see in them anything that makes us deserving of a bad end, we ask You to purify us of evil and to cleanse us of faults and to make our records bright again and free from sins and to enlighten our hearts and dispel all darkness in them until You bring us out of the darkness and into light and give us life again after we were dead.

AllÃƒÂ¢humma! Make us of those You raised unto life and about whom You said, {Is he who was dead and We have raised him unto life, and set for him a light wherein he walks among men, as him whose similitude is in utter darkness whence he cannot emerge?} (6:122). AllÃƒÂ¢humma! Make us of the people of light by which we walk among the people. O Living One Who never dies! O Most Generous of the generous!

AllÃƒÂ¢humma! Grant us love of You and love of those who love You and those whom You love and that which You love. Purify our hearts from attachments other than to You. Make us of those folk whom You love and who love You.

AllÃƒÂ¢humma! The strifes and trials have become too much for the people. Violence has overcome them. Evil and mischief have descended upon them. But You are AllÃƒÂ¢h. What a fine reserve we have in You! What a fine refuge! There is no refuge nor rescue from You except in You. We ask You for a glance from You toward us. We ask You for tenderness on Your part for us. We ask You for Your mercy for us by which we may tread the paths of light and purity and by which we will stand firm when creation is shaken with tribulations.

AllÃƒÂ¢humma! Protect us from the evil of tribulations - those that have already appeared and those that are still waiting to appear. Make us of the people of wisdom. Raise us to the high stations with those whom You love. Take us to the ways of those You have granted success. Place us among their elect ones. AllÃƒÂ¢humma! Bring us to life in faith. Cause us to die doing our best. Resurrect us in the throng of the liege-lord of the worlds, Muhammad, upon him and his House and Companions Your blessings and peace!

AllÃƒÂ¢humma! If You have decreed for us to live until the time our liege-lord the Christ, upon him peace, we ask You, O God, the character of those who are in his train, and excellence in serving and aiding him and his army. We ask You for perfection in standing firm in obedience to You and preferring the Everlasting to the mortal.

And if we are not of those that will live to see that time, we call upon You to witness, and upon Your Throne-bearing angels, and all Your creation, that we believe You are AllÃƒÂ¢h, the One God besides Whom there is no god, without partner, and that our liege-lord Muhammad is Your servant and Messenger, and that our liege-lord Jesus is Your servant and Messenger, Your word which You cast upon Mary, and that we love those that are beloved to You and we repudiate Your enemies.

Therefore, preserve this pronouncement of ours. Correct our intentions in serving You. Make us of the righteous of this Community. Grant us mercy in Your generosity.

AllÃƒÂ¢humma! Look kindly upon the Community of our liege-lord Muhammad with a glance from you. Indeed, we complain to You of what has befallen us - unbearable harms, the oppression of our enemies, our hankering after the fleeting things of this world, putting them first rather than You. We complain to You of losing the manners of our liege-lord Muhammad in the houses of his Community and losing his Sunna in the houses of his Community. We ask You to return the Muslims to You in a beautiful return.

AllÃƒÂ¢humma! Relent upon us and the Muslims a most complete relenting. Purify us with it heart, body, and soul. AllÃƒÂ¢humma! Forgive us our past sins and guard us in what remains.

AllÃƒÂ¢humma! Whoever You cause to live among us, cause them to live according to IslÃƒÂ¢m and Sunna. Whoever You cause to die among us, cause them to die upon belief and the witnessing of faith. Prepare for us an excellent abode, and more. Hasten for this Community the time of their reform and guidance in which the obedient will be honored, the disobedient changed through Your relenting, and those who were not overtaken by Your relenting will be brought low.

AllÃƒÂ¢humma! Bless this place. Bless this school. Bless this institution. Bless his eminence the Mufti [of Lebanon ], his deputy and workers, our Shaykhs that are present, and the people of learning in these regions. Help them in the duties and the trust with which You have entrusted them.

AllÃƒÂ¢humma! Cause them to attain, through excellence in their service, what will prepare them to keep company with the most excellent Beloved, upon him and his House Your blessings and peace, and so all the Ulema of the Muslims. Bring the hearts together. Unify the ranks. Chase out love of the world from the minds. Make us firm upon what You love and what satisfies You. Thank and reward on our behalf his eminence the Mufti with the best reward. Bless him all his life, in his mission and service, and so all the Ulema of the Muslims. Bless us in this gathering and grant us Your acceptance in it.

AllÃƒÂ¢humma! Truly we ask You for acceptance from Your side. If You accept us, there no little with such acceptance just as plenty is nothing with rejection. We ask You for Your acceptance of our good deeds which You have granted us success to carry out. We ask You to purify them of any dubious aspects and to raise us by them to the levels of Your good pleasure.

We ask You forgiveness; protection; forbearance; pardon; and Your clement disregard of the wrong we have done, O Living One Who never dies, Whose subtle kindness never stops! Make us and all Muslims safe, safe....

We ask You a vast expanse of guidance in these regions and in all the regions East and West and that You be well-pleased in using us to serve You in that with Your Attributes of kindness, munificence, and lovingness, O Most Tender, O Most Giving. And let our last words in this words be LA ILAHA ILLA ALLAH MUHAMMADUN RASULULLAH in full realization of its realities in our minds and senses outwardly and inwardly, O Most Merciful. The Blessings of God upon our liege-lord Muhammad and his House and Companions. Our last word is, Praise to God the Lord of the worlds. Al-FÃƒÂ¢tiha.

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[i]This is some interesting reading![/i]

Abu-Zayd · July 15, 2006

[quote name='Bunghole' post='294348' date='Jul 15 2006, 03:54 PM']I find this post to be utterly fascinating. So does the Qu'ran predict that Jesus comes and saves the world?[/quote]

According to the Qur'an, Jesus was not crucified, "only a likeness". Probably Judas, something corroborated by the Qum'ran (Dead Sea) scrolls.

According to the statements of the Prophet, Jesus will descend, make prayer, and go to fight the Dajjal. Upon news of the son of Mary and upon the impending battle, the Dajjal--antiChrist in modern thought--will disintegrate/melt. After a battle with the followers of Dajjal/dajjal life, Jesus will establish a just and peaceful rule over people. He will marry, have a family, and die as the other prophets died.

This is discussed in so many statements of the Prophet, and from so many different narrators, that we have a lot of information about this subject.

...and Allah knows best about all of these and all matters...

AZ

Homer_Rice · July 16, 2006

[quote name='Abu-Zayd' post='293834' date='Jul 14 2006, 08:08 AM']Ressentiment is a word.[/quote]

It's a [i]concept[/i] that has its origins in existentialism. It cannot be understood without carrying some of the baggage of existenialist thought. The mind works in curious ways, especially at the level of the pre-conscious, that much we agree upon.

It's important to understand that fascism is a political movement sponsored by the usurers (as you describe them.) Hitler's view of the Jews are eugenicist. His concern with folks from the east was less related to their faith than to their political ideology, i.e. Communism a la Rosa Luxemburg, who was Polish. Jews, as German citizens, were responsible for much of the greatness of their culture (just think of the Mendellsohn family for example.)

Do you do Venn diagrams? What subsumes all religious faiths?

Abu-Zayd · July 16, 2006

[quote name='Homer_Rice' post='294570' date='Jul 16 2006, 08:59 AM']
It's a [i]concept[/i] that has its origins in existentialism. It cannot be understood without carrying some of the baggage of existenialist thought. The mind works in curious ways, especially at the level of the pre-conscious, that much we agree upon.[/quote]
I know that the scrutiny and critical analysis of historical forces of movement are discouraged when it comes to certain subjects, and the tool used to dissuade rational discussion about these subjects is a label of 'anti-semite' or likenning someone to Hitler or calling someone a 'conspiracy theorist'. People's sincere efforts are dismissed by simply image and no evidence has to be brought forth, and this keeps whatever the status quo is desired by those that control the mass communication medium. What do you call this? I feel the concept of ressentiment describes this.

[quote]It's important to understand that fascism is a political movement sponsored by the usurers (as you describe them.) Hitler's view of the Jews are eugenicist. [/quote]
Existentialism has relevant and valuable aspects. Nietzsche had value. Heidegger had value. See, I don't look at thoughts and ideas and concepts as wholes, and as associated with a personality. So we agree that it is passing of ideas, not individuals. I believe that [b]T[/b]ruth is all truth, and everything else has some truth to it, but misses the point, considering it was formulated by humans with limited understanding of [b]T[/b]ruth. Revelation is the only way of arriving at [b]T[/b]ruth and therefore I place all other knowledge within its context and give it no more import than deserving of something arrived at by human endeavor, especially when not guided by revelation. My life and thought are based on revelation, but I can see aspects of truth in other things.

Heidegger speaking about the Being and being is in line with how I as a muslim view Allah, Being. And it seemed to be arrived at by contemplation and deduction based on clear insight into the deeply internal understanding of the Unity of The Creator that He Himself has instilled in us. That is noble, not base.

I see fascism, capitalism, communism, and the rest as part of the same coin, just different sides. Same face, different Rubik's cube, for people of my generation. When revelation tells you how to organize life, everything else becomes a divergence. [b]All these systems[/b] are propped up by the usurers, only to serve the interest (i hate the word 'pun') of increased consolidation of capital and control.

All wars are financed, on both sides, by the usurers, only serving their interests...they make out the victors in every instance, as they make the fortunes of profit while others fight and die. Animosity increases. Anarchy increases. Trust, safety, security decreases, and those who control the mass communication have greater ability to exert influence.

[quote]His [Hitler's] concern with folks from the east was less related to their faith than to their political ideology.[/quote]
agreed.

[quote]
Jews, as German citizens, were responsible for much of the greatness of their culture (just think of the Mendellsohn family for example.)[/quote]
Greatness is subjective when the perspective is crossing ideological lines.

[quote]
Do you do Venn diagrams? What subsumes all religious faiths?
[/quote]
I believe that Islam subsumes all other faiths, corrects, straightens the divergences, redirects focus back onto the Unity of Allah, away from other idols that were placed between Allah and man, such as Buddha worship, Jesus worship, fire worship (zoroastrians), rabbi-worship (Judaism), etc. I see guidance and direction in life coming only from the Creator, for if I have a collection of statements from the Creator pertaining to a subject, is this not the greatest gift of all, to have Truth about a matter?

What do you believe subsumes all "religious faiths"?

[quote name='Homer_Rice' post='294570' date='Jul 16 2006, 08:59 AM']
It's a [i]concept[/i] that has its origins in existentialism. It cannot be understood without carrying some of the baggage of existenialist thought. The mind works in curious ways, especially at the level of the pre-conscious, that much we agree upon.[/quote]
I know that the scrutiny and critical analysis of historical forces of movement are discouraged when it comes to certain subjects, and the tool used to dissuade rational discussion about these subjects is a label of 'anti-semite' or likenning someone to Hitler or calling someone a 'conspiracy theorist'. People's sincere efforts are dismissed by simply image and no evidence has to be brought forth, and this keeps whatever the status quo is desired by those that control the mass communication medium. What do you call this? I feel the concept of ressentiment describes this.

[quote]It's important to understand that fascism is a political movement sponsored by the usurers (as you describe them.) Hitler's view of the Jews are eugenicist. [/quote]
Existentialism has relevant and valuable aspects. Nietzsche had value. Heidegger had value. See, I don't look at thoughts and ideas and concepts as wholes, and as associated with a personality. So we agree that it is passing of ideas, not individuals. I believe that [b]T[/b]ruth is all truth, and everything else has some truth to it, but misses the point, considering it was formulated by humans with limited understanding of [b]T[/b]ruth. Revelation is the only way of arriving at [b]T[/b]ruth and therefore I place all other knowledge within its context and give it no more import than deserving of something arrived at by human endeavor, especially when not guided by revelation. My life and thought are based on revelation, but I can see aspects of truth in other things.

Heidegger speaking about the Being and being is in line with how I as a muslim view Allah, Being. And it seemed to be arrived at by contemplation and deduction based on clear insight into the deeply internal understanding of the Unity of The Creator that He Himself has instilled in us. That is noble, not base.

I see fascism, capitalism, communism, and the rest as part of the same coin, just different sides. Same face, different Rubik's cube, for people of my generation. When revelation tells you how to organize life, everything else becomes a divergence. [b]All these systems[/b] are propped up by the usurers, only to serve the interest (i hate the word 'pun') of increased consolidation of capital and control.

All wars are financed, on both sides, by the usurers, only serving their interests...they make out the victors in every instance, as they make the fortunes of profit while others fight and die. Animosity increases. Anarchy increases. Trust, safety, security decreases, and those who control the mass communication have greater ability to exert influence.

[quote]His [Hitler's] concern with folks from the east was less related to their faith than to their political ideology.[/quote]
agreed.

[quote]
Jews, as German citizens, were responsible for much of the greatness of their culture (just think of the Mendellsohn family for example.)[/quote]
Greatness is subjective when the perspective is crossing ideological lines.

[quote]
Do you do Venn diagrams? What subsumes all religious faiths?
[/quote]
I believe that Islam subsumes all other faiths, corrects, straightens the divergences, redirects focus back onto the Unity of Allah, away from other idols that were placed between Allah and man, such as Buddha worship, Jesus worship, fire worship (zoroastrians), rabbi-worship (Judaism), etc. I see guidance and direction in life coming only from the Creator, for if I have a collection of statements from the Creator pertaining to a subject, is this not the greatest gift of all, to have Truth about a matter?

What do you believe subsumes all "religious faiths"?

[quote name='Homer_Rice' post='294570' date='Jul 16 2006, 08:59 AM']
It's a [i]concept[/i] that has its origins in existentialism. It cannot be understood without carrying some of the baggage of existenialist thought. The mind works in curious ways, especially at the level of the pre-conscious, that much we agree upon.[/quote]
I know that the scrutiny and critical analysis of historical forces of movement are discouraged when it comes to certain subjects, and the tool used to dissuade rational discussion about these subjects is a label of 'anti-semite' or likenning someone to Hitler. People's sincere efforts are dismissed by simply image and no evidence has to be brought forth. What do you call this? I feel the concept of ressentiment describes this.

[quote]It's important to understand that fascism is a political movement sponsored by the usurers (as you describe them.) Hitler's view of the Jews are eugenicist. [/quote]
Existentialism has relevant and valuable aspects. Nietzsche had value. Heidegger had value. See, I don't look at thoughts and ideas and concepts as wholes. I believe that [b]T[/b]ruth is all truth, and everything else has some truth to it, but misses the point, considering it was formulated by humans with limited understanding of [b]T[/b]ruth. Revelation is the only way of arriving at [b]T[/b]ruth and therefore I place all other knowledge within its context and give it no more import than deserving of something arrived at by human endeavor, especially when not guided by revelation. My life and thought are based on revelation, but I can see aspects of truth in other things. Heidegger speaking about the Being and being is in line with how I as a muslim view Allah, Being. And it seemed to be arrived at by contemplation and deduction based on clear insight into the deeply internal understanding of the Unity of The Creator. That is noble, not base.

I see fascism, capitalism, communism, and the rest as part of the same coin, just different sides. Same face, different Rubik's cube, for people of my generation. When revelation tells you how to organize life, everything else becomes a divergence. [b]All these systems[/b] are propped up by the usurers, only to serve the interest (i hate the word 'pun') of increased consolidation of capital and control.

All wars are financed, on both sides, by the usurers, only serving their interests...they make out the victors in every instance, as they make the fortunes of profit while others fight and die. Napoleon was financed by the usurers until the well was dried for him, and he was defeated.
[quote]His [Hitler's] concern with folks from the east was less related to their faith than to their political ideology, i.e. Communism a la Rosa Luxemburg, who was Polish.[/quote]
agreed.
[quote]
Jews, as German citizens, were responsible for much of the greatness of their culture (just think of the Mendellsohn family for example.)[/quote]
This is subjective. What you think is great, someone else may not.
[quote]
Do you do Venn diagrams? What subsumes all religious faiths?
[/quote]
I believe that Islam subsumes all other faiths, corrects, straightens the divergences, redirects focus back onto the Unity of Allah, away from other idols that were placed between Allah and man, such as Buddha worship, Jesus worship, fire worship (zoroastrians), rabbi-worship (Judaism), etc. I see guidance and direction in life coming only from the Creator, for if I have a collection of statements from the Creator pertaining to a subject, is this not the greatest gift of all, to have Truth about a matter?

What do you believe subsumes all "religious faiths"?

[quote name='Homer_Rice' post='294570' date='Jul 16 2006, 08:59 AM']
It's a [i]concept[/i] that has its origins in existentialism. It cannot be understood without carrying some of the baggage of existenialist thought. The mind works in curious ways, especially at the level of the pre-conscious, that much we agree upon.[/quote]
I know that the scrutiny and critical analysis of historical forces of movement are discouraged when it comes to certain subjects, and the tool used to dissuade rational discussion about these subjects is a label of 'anti-semite' or likenning someone to Hitler. People's sincere efforts are dismissed by simply image and no evidence has to be brought forth. What do you call this? I feel the concept of ressentiment describes this.

[quote]It's important to understand that fascism is a political movement sponsored by the usurers (as you describe them.) Hitler's view of the Jews are eugenicist. [/quote]
Existentialism has relevant and valuable aspects. Nietzsche had value. Heidegger had value. See, I don't look at thoughts and ideas and concepts as wholes. I believe that [b]T[/b]ruth is all truth, and everything else has some truth to it, but misses the point, considering it was formulated by humans with limited understanding of [b]T[/b]ruth. Revelation is the only way of arriving at [b]T[/b]ruth and therefore I place all other knowledge within its context and give it no more import than deserving of something arrived at by human endeavor, especially when not guided by revelation. My life and thought are based on revelation, but I can see aspects of truth in other things. Heidegger speaking about the Being and being is in line with how I as a muslim view Allah, Being. And it seemed to be arrived at by contemplation and deduction based on clear insight into the deeply internal understanding of the Unity of The Creator. That is noble, not base.

I see fascism, capitalism, communism, and the rest as part of the same coin, just different sides. Same face, different Rubik's cube, for people of my generation. When revelation tells you how to organize life, everything else becomes a divergence. [b]All these systems[/b] are propped up by the usurers, only to serve the interest (i hate the word 'pun') of increased consolidation of capital and control.

All wars are financed, on both sides, by the usurers, only serving their interests...they make out the victors in every instance, as they make the fortunes of profit while others fight and die. Napoleon was financed by the usurers until the well was dried for him, and he was defeated.
[quote]His [Hitler's] concern with folks from the east was less related to their faith than to their political ideology, i.e. Communism a la Rosa Luxemburg, who was Polish.[/quote]
agreed.
[quote]
Jews, as German citizens, were responsible for much of the greatness of their culture (just think of the Mendellsohn family for example.)[/quote]
This is subjective. What you think is great, someone else may not.
[quote]
Do you do Venn diagrams? What subsumes all religious faiths?
[/quote]
I believe that Islam subsumes all other faiths, corrects, straightens the divergences, redirects focus back onto the Unity of Allah, away from other idols that were placed between Allah and man, such as Buddha worship, Jesus worship, fire worship (zoroastrians), rabbi-worship (Judaism), etc. I see guidance and direction in life coming only from the Creator, for if I have a collection of statements from the Creator pertaining to a subject, is this not the greatest gift of all, to have Truth about a matter?

What do you believe subsumes all "religious faiths"?

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