Adding Fuel to the Fire

[Nati Ice]

extremely short letter written apparently by a listener to some radio program

ill tell you what, if theres any way to win over a majority opposition, its to threaten, assault, steal from, and then piss on those that oppose you.

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[quote]August 27, 2006

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Hi Terry,

I was at the Maywood, California protest yesterday joining Save Our State and Minutemen protesting the fact that Maywood allows it to be a "sanctuary city". This was my experience... I was dropped off by my ride while he parked and I saw all of the American flags and started walking towards them and suddenly there was a rush of thugs running towards me calling out "death to the minutemen". They stopped me in my tracks. They pushed me around and told me if I was to take one step further, they would beat the shit out of me. I looked to the back of me and there were about 4 police officers leaning on their vehicle just watching, doing nothing! So, as I stepped forward, they stole my sign and ripped it up as another was throwing water on me. Meanwhile, I am still getting pushed around and threatened so I again look back to see if the police are going to help. Nope! So, I stood there with my hands on my hips with one hand on my pepper spray and I was ready to use it. Again, I might mention that there are 4 or 5 police officers behind me doing NOTHING to the fact that I am being threatened, pushed around and stolen from. I was ready for whatever they were going to give me at that point. I was going to pepper spray all of them and I looked back one more time as I am being pushed around by men, a police officer finally waves me over. So, I went over and then they escorted me across the street to another group of officers who escorted me to our SOS group.

After being at the rally for a while, we noticed that the opposition was getting louder and they we watched as they took the American flag off of the flag pole and stepped on it on the ground at the United State Post Office and mounted a Mexican flag and up it went. At this point the police did nothing. Finally, they went over to take it down and they had bottles and rocks thrown at them. They did not attempt to arrest anyone. They were unable to take it down because they cut the wrong line so the flag remained there for the rest of the day.

I believe that all Americans need to know about this and need to see that Mexican flag hanging at an American post office. We are being invaded and the American people need to wake up!

Another woman was beat up (while the police watched) and injured as well as an elderly man. They tend to pick on the weaker targets.
Thanks for reading my story.

Best regards,

Sandra
A Big Fan[/quote]

i sincerely hope that those who did this get beat down by some local rednecks

[Guest oldschooler]

Most of these illegals have no intentions of becoming citizens of the U.S.A. .
They want to keep their language, their culture and their Mexican
citizenship. All they want is our money, our land and our Government
benefits...

Our Country is being invaded and taken over by foreign citizens,
that don`t want to pay taxes, or be "legal". Why buy the cow, when
you can just steal the milk, and the land it grazes on ?

But hey... our grass looks great for the price they`re charging...

[Guest BlackJesus]

[size=3][quote name='oldschooler' post='325756' date='Aug 29 2006, 11:21 AM']Our Country is being invaded and taken over by foreign citizens,[/quote][/size]



[size=3][color="#3333FF"][b]... Leave Israel out of this [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/23.gif[/img] [/b] [/color][/size]

[Guest bengalrick]

[quote name='BlackJesus' post='325895' date='Aug 29 2006, 01:53 PM'][size=3]
[size=3][color="#3333FF"][b]... Leave Israel out of this [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/23.gif[/img] [/b] [/color][/quote]

says teh guy that brought up israel...

[Guest BlackJesus]

[quote name='bengalrick' post='325904' date='Aug 29 2006, 02:04 PM']says teh guy that brought up israel...[/quote]


[b]wow ... you obviously didn't get what I was saying [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//37.gif[/img] [/b]

[|Bunghole|]

I agree that something needs to be done. If I saw a group of illegals taking the US flag down and putting up the mexican one over a US Post Office, I can guarantee you there would have been some fighting going on. I and my family have risked our very fucking lives for that flag and what it represents...I'm not going to stand idly by and let [i]anyone[/i] disparage the flag in my presence, [i]especially[/i] on US soil by someone that's here illegally!
That said, I realize the economic realities with immigrants from Mexico and Central America being extremely important, particularly in the realms of agriculture, landscaping, construction and restaurants.
HOWEVER, there has to be some kind of a plan in place to document/make legal/tax/account for/teach english to these people.
IMHO, this is a bigger issue than many want to give credit to with our attentions focused abroad with the war and everything, and the current admin has REALLY dropped the ball in addressing this.

[Guest BlackJesus]

[quote name='Bunghole' post='325910' date='Aug 29 2006, 02:07 PM']If I saw a group of [s]illegals[/s] zionist Israelis effectively taking the US flag down and putting up the Iraeli one over [s]a[/s] THE US [s]Post Office[/s] CONGRESS, I can guarantee you [s]there would have been some fighting going on.[/s] I would sit on my hands and defend Israel.[/quote]


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[|Bunghole|]

[quote name='BlackJesus' post='325914' date='Aug 29 2006, 12:11 PM'][center] [/center][/quote]
I am only a defender of Israel's right to exist. I have come around somewhat to the idea that our blanket support of Israel is in fact harmful to the USA, both at home and abroad.
I was trying to stay on topic...
What's your take on all this?

[Guest bengalrick]

[quote name='BlackJesus' post='325908' date='Aug 29 2006, 02:06 PM'][b]wow ... you obviously didn't get what I was saying [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//37.gif[/img] [/b][/quote]

actually i saw what you were trying to say... you bring up israel in every story, so it wasn't hard to figure out...

[Guest bengalrick]

[i]If I saw a group of illegals zionist Israelis effectively taking the US flag down and putting up the Iraeli one over a THE US Post Office CONGRESS, I can guarantee you there would have been some fighting going on. I would sit on my hands and defend Israel. [/i] - bj

this is becoming a tired joke...

BJ.... this thread is about illegial immigrants in AMERICA... i just want to make sure your not confussed

[Guest bengalrick]

[quote name='Bunghole' post='325918' date='Aug 29 2006, 02:15 PM']I am only a defender of Israel's right to exist. I have come around somewhat to the idea that our blanket support of Israel is in fact harmful to the USA, both at home and abroad.
I was trying to stay on topic...
What's your take on all this?[/quote]

you want to know bj's problem... we respect him enough to answer questions of his, or respond to his bullshit, when he changes the subject...

he will never show us that kind of respect, and only takes our admissions as us being "real" w/ ourselves... we should stop giving bj that respect and start ignoring him when he throws out his red herrings... you can do as you want obviously, but i will stop answering his bs on random israel rants...

[Nati Ice]

[quote name='Bunghole' post='325910' date='Aug 29 2006, 02:07 PM']I agree that something needs to be done. If I saw a group of illegals taking the US flag down and putting up the mexican one over a US Post Office, I can guarantee you there would have been some fighting going on. I and my family have risked our very fucking lives for that flag and what it represents...I'm not going to stand idly by and let [i]anyone[/i] disparage the flag in my presence, [i]especially[/i] on US soil by someone that's here illegally!
That said, I realize the economic realities with immigrants from Mexico and Central America being extremely important, particularly in the realms of agriculture, landscaping, construction and restaurants.
HOWEVER, there has to be some kind of a plan in place to d[s]ocument/make legal/tax/account for/teach english to[/s] [i]kick out or prevent [/i] these people [i]from entering, draining, disrespecting, and residing in this country.[/i]
IMHO, this is a bigger issue than many want to give credit to with [s]our[/s] [i]idiotic bush supporters [/i] attentions focused abroad with the war and everything, and the current admin has REALLY dropped the ball in addressing [s]this[/s] [i]every issue of real importance.[/i][/quote]
there, fixed it for you

[Guest bengalrick]

protecting borders = racist = zionists (i'm sure there is some connection)

[Nati Ice]

[quote name='bengalrick' post='325941' date='Aug 29 2006, 02:32 PM']protecting borders = racist = zionists (i'm sure there is some connection)[/quote]
i only wish to protect our borders from those non kosher messhecans

[Guest BlackJesus]

[quote name='Bunghole' post='325918' date='Aug 29 2006, 02:15 PM']What's your take on all this?[/quote]

[b]
- Not sure if it is true

- I don't support raising the Mexican flag on US govt installations ... just like I don't support the fact that the Israeli one is raised over our nation right now.

- hard working mexicans are not a big threat to the U.S. at present .... they do jobs Americans don't ... and prop up social security. The biggest threat to the U.S. at present is transnational corporations who have bought off our officials ... and Zionists who have infilitrated our govt and hijacked congress with the AIPAC and are pushing us into WWIII with all of Israels enemies.

= The Immigration thing is a distraction from the real menace and problems plaguing the US[/b]

[|Bunghole|]

[quote name='BlackJesus' post='325991' date='Aug 29 2006, 01:20 PM'][b]
- Not sure if it is true

- I don't support raising the Mexican flag on US govt installations ... just like I don't support the fact that the Israeli one is raised over our nation right now.

- hard working mexicans are not a big threat to the U.S. at present .... they do jobs Americans don't ... and prop up social security. The biggest threat to the U.S. at present is transnational corporations who have bought off our officials ... and Zionists who have infilitrated our govt and hijacked congress with the AIPAC and are pushing us into WWIII with all of Israels enemies.

= The Immigration thing is a distraction from the real menace and problems plaguing the US[/b][/quote]
I saw the raising of the Mexican flag on the news, so that part is true.
I disagree with the level of infiltration by Zionists that you refer to, although there is no denying that the Israeli lobby is a strong one.
just remember that we have Israeli spies in our custody, it isn't like we simply let them go when caught....and that we spy on Israel also.

[Lawman]

[b]Disclaimer: In the past I have stated; "[u]I agree[/u] with alot of what BJ post, however it's the mannerism in which he presents that turns me off". Now I can be a in your face type of guy when push comes to shove; but I prefer the diplomatic approach in hopes to introduce constructive discussion. [color="#990000"]WARNING[/color]: What I am about to present [u]WILL BE [/u] hard to digest. Some of what you see herewas presented in my Holocaust thread.[/b]


[url="http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedman.htm"]http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedman.htm[/url]


A Jewish Defector Warns America:

Benjamin Freedman Speaks on Zionism

Updated transcript of Ben Freedman's 1961 speech at the Willard Hotel.

Mr. Freedman, born in 1890, was a successful Jewish businessman of New York City who was at one time the principal owner of the Woodbury Soap Company. He broke with organized Jewry after the Judeo-Communist victory of 1945, and spent the remainder of his life and the great preponderance of his considerable fortune, at least 2.5 million dollars, exposing the Jewish tyranny which has enveloped the United States.

Mr. Freedman knew what he was talking about because he had been an insider at the highest levels of Jewish organizations and Jewish machinations to gain power over our nation. Mr. Freedman was personally acquainted with Bernard Baruch, Samuel Untermyer, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, Joseph Kennedy, and John F. Kennedy, and many more movers and shakers of our times.

This speech was given before a patriotic audience in 1961 at the Willard Hotel in Washington, D.C., on behalf of Conde McGinley's patriotic newspaper of that time, Common Sense. Though in some minor ways this wide-ranging and extemporaneous speech has become dated, Mr. Freedman's essential message to us -- his warning to the West -- is more urgent than ever before. -- K.A.S. ---

Excerpt:

World War I broke out in the summer of 1914. Nineteen-hundred and fourteen was the year in which World War One broke out. There are few people here my age who remember that. Now that war was waged on one side by Great Britain, France, and Russia; and on the other side by Germany, Austria-Hungary, and Turkey. What happened?

Within two years Germany had won that war: not alone won it nominally, but won it actually. The German submarines, which were a surprise to the world, had swept all the convoys from the Atlantic Ocean, and Great Britain stood there without ammunition for her soldiers, stood there with one week's food supply facing her -- and after that, starvation.

At that time, the French army had mutinied. They lost 600,000 of the flower of French youth in the defense of Verdun on the Somme. The Russian army was defecting. They were picking up their toys and going home, they didn't want to play war anymore, they didn't like the Czar. And the Italian army had collapsed.

Now Germany -- not a shot had been fired on the German soil. Not an enemy soldier had crossed the border into Germany. And yet, here was Germany offering England peace terms. They offered England a negotiated peace on what the lawyers call a status quo ante basis. That means: “Let's call the war off, and let everything be as it was before the war started.”

Well, England, in the summer of 1916 was considering that. Seriously! They had no choice. It was either accepting this negotiated peace that Germany was magnanimously offering them, or going on with the war and being totally defeated.

While that was going on, the Zionists in Germany, who represented the Zionists from Eastern Europe, went to the British War Cabinet and -- I am going to be brief because this is a long story, but I have all the documents to prove any statement that I make if anyone here is curious, or doesn't believe what I'm saying is at all possible -- the Zionists in London went to the British war cabinet and they said: “Look here. You can yet win this war. You don't have to give up. You don't have to accept the negotiated peace offered to you now by Germany. You can win this war if the United States will come in as your ally.”

The United States was not in the war at that time. We were fresh; we were young; we were rich; we were powerful. They [Zionists] told England: “We will guarantee to bring the United States into the war as your ally, to fight with you on your side, if you will promise us Palestine after you win the war.”

In other words, they made this deal: “We will get the United States into this war as your ally. The price you must pay us is Palestine after you have won the war and defeated Germany, Austria-Hungary, and Turkey

Now England had as much right to promise Palestine to anybody, as the United States would have to promise Japan to Ireland for any reason whatsoever. It's absolutely absurd that Great Britain -- that never had any connection or any interest or any right in what is known as Palestine -- should offer it as coin of the realm to pay the Zionists for bringing the United States into the war.

However, they made that promise, in October of 1916. October, nineteen hundred and sixteen. And shortly after that -- I don't know how many here remember it -- the United States, which was almost totally pro-German -- totally pro-German -- because the newspapers here were controlled by Jews, the bankers were Jews, all the media of mass communications in this country were controlled by Jews, and they were pro-German because their people, in the majority of cases came from Germany, and they wanted to see Germany lick the Czar.

The Jews didn't like the Czar, and they didn't want Russia to win this war. So the German bankers -- the German-Jews -- Kuhn Loeb and the other big banking firms in the United States refused to finance France or England to the extent of one dollar. They stood aside and they said: “As long as France and England are tied up with Russia, not one cent!” But they poured money into Germany, they fought with Germany against Russia, trying to lick the Czarist regime.

Now those same Jews, when they saw the possibility of getting Palestine, they went to England and they made this deal. At that time, everything changed, like the traffic light that changes from red to green. Where the newspapers had been all pro-German, where they'd been telling the people of the difficulties that Germany was having fighting Great Britain commercially and in other respects, all of a sudden the Germans were no good. They were villains. They were Huns. They were shooting Red Cross nurses. They were cutting off babies' hands. And they were no good.

Well, shortly after that, Mr. Wilson declared war on Germany.

After we got into the war, the Zionists went to Great Britain and they said: “Well, we performed our part of the agreement. Let's have something in writing that shows that you are going to keep your bargain and give us Palestine after you win the war.” Because they didn't know whether the war would last another year or another ten years. So they started to work out a receipt. The receipt took the form of a letter, and it was worded in very cryptic language so that the world at large wouldn't know what it was all about. And that was called the [url="http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/wars/balfour.htm"]Balfour Declaration.[/url]

Now, that is where all the trouble started. The United States went in the war. The United States crushed Germany. We went in there, and it's history. You know what happened. Now, when the war was ended, and the Germans went to Paris, to the Paris Peace Conference in 1919, there were 117 Jews there, as a delegation representing the Jews, headed by Bernard Baruch. [b]I was there: I ought to know[/b]. Now what happened?

The Jews at that peace conference, when they were cutting up Germany and parceling out Europe to all these nations that claimed a right to a certain part of European territory, the Jews said, “How about Palestine for us?” And they produced, for the first time to the knowledge of the Germans, this Balfour Declaration. So the Germans, for the first time realized, “Oh, that was the game! That's why the United States came into the war.” And the Germans for the first time realized that they were defeated, they suffered this terrific reparation that was slapped onto them, because the Zionists wanted Palestine and they were determined to get it at any cost

[u]Now, that brings us to another very interesting point[/u]. When the Germans realized this, they naturally resented it. Up to that time, the Jews had never been better off in any country in the world than they had been in Germany.

You had Mr. Rathenau there, who was maybe 100 times as important in industry and finance as is Bernard Baruch in this country. You had Mr. Balin, who owned the two big steamship lines, the North German Lloyd's and the Hamburg-American Lines. You had Mr. Bleichroder, who was the banker for the Hohenzollern family. You had the Warburgs in Hamburg, who were the big merchant bankers -- the biggest in the world. The Jews were doing very well in Germany. No question about that. Now, the Germans felt: [b]“Well, that was quite a sellout.” [/b]

[u]It was a sellout that I can best compare [/u] -- suppose the United States was at war today with the Soviet Union. And we were winning. And we told the Soviet Union: “Well, let's quit. We offer you peace terms. Let's forget the whole thing.” And all of a sudden Red China came into the war as an ally of the Soviet Union. And throwing them into the war brought about our defeat. A crushing defeat, with reparations the likes of which man's imagination cannot encompass.

Imagine, then, after that defeat, if we found out that it was the Chinese in this country, our Chinese citizens, who all the time we thought they were loyal citizens working with us, were selling us out to the Soviet Union and that it was through them that Red China was brought into the war against us. How would we feel, in the United States against Chinese? I don't think that one of them would dare show his face on any street. There wouldn't be lampposts enough, convenient, to take care of them. Imagine how we would feel.

Well, that's how the Germans felt towards these Jews. [b]"We've been so nice to them"; and from 1905 on, when the first Communist revolution in Russia failed, and the Jews had to scramble out of Russia, they all went to Germany. And Germany gave them refuge. And they were treated very nicely. And here they sold Germany down the river for no reason at all other than they wanted Palestine as a so-called “Jewish commonwealth.” [/b]

more on site...

[i]Now, for those that say the Jews should return to Germany, need to hold your toungue. [/i]

[Guest BlackJesus]

[quote name='Lawman' post='326278' date='Aug 29 2006, 08:08 PM']Benjamin Freedman Speaks on Zionism[/quote]


[b]I have this entire speech on CD ... it is a great speech ... and spot on ....

he tried to warn us .... and the people didn't listen [/b]

[Lawman]

[quote name='BlackJesus' post='326281' date='Aug 29 2006, 08:10 PM'][b]I have this entire speech on CD ... it is a great speech ... and spot on ....

he tried to warn us .... and the people didn't listen [/b][/quote]

Further in the thread he talks about how the word Jew is made up; english translation shortened from Juedea. Jesus was a Judean, lineage to King David.

Now, in Latin and Greek there is no such letter as 'j', and the first syllable of Judaeus and Judaius starts 'ghu'. Now, when the Bible was written, it was first written in Greek, Latin, Panantic, Syriac, Aramaic... all those languages. Never Was the word Jew in any of them because the word didn't exist. Judea was the country, and the people were Judeans, and Jesus was referred to only as a Judean. I've seen those early... the earliest scripts available.

In 1345, a man by the name of Wycliffe in England thought that it was time to translate the Bible into English. There was no English edition of the Bible because who the Devil could read? It was only the educated church people who could read Latin and Greek, Syriac, Aramaic and the other languages. Anyhow, Wycliffe translated the Bible into English. But in it, he had to look around for some words for Judaeas and Judaius.

There was no English word because Judea had passed out of existence. There was no Judea. People had long ago forgotten that. So in the first translation he used the word, in referring to Jesus, as 'gyu', "jew". At the time, there was no printing press.

Then, between 1345 and the 17th century, when the press came into use, that word passed through so many changes... I have them all here. If you want I can read them to you. I will. That word 'gyu' which was in the Wycliffe Bible became. . . first it was ' gyu ', then ' giu ', then ' iu ' (because the ' i ' in Latin is pronounced like the ' j '. Julius Caesar is ' Iul ' because there is no 'j' in Latin) then ' iuw ', then ' ieuu ', then ' ieuy ', then ' iwe ', then ' iow ', then ' iewe ', all in Bibles as time went on. Then ' ieue ', then ' iue ', then ' ive ', and then ' ivw ', and finally in the 18th century... ' jew '. Jew.

All the corrupt and contracted forms for Judaius, and Judaeas in Latin. Now, there was no such thing as 'Jew', and any theologian -- I've lectured in maybe 20 of the most prominent theological seminaries in this country, and two in Europe -- there was no such word as Jew. There only was Judea, and Jesus was a Judean and the first English use of a word in an English bible to describe him was 'gyu' -- Jew. A contracted and shortened form of Judaeus, just the same as we call a laboratory a 'lab', and gasoline 'gas'... a tendency to short up.

So, in England there were no public schools; people didn't know how to read; it looked like a scrambled alphabet so they made a short word out of it.

[|Bunghole|]

You guys are hijacking this thread!
Let's talk about the illegal immigration issue, shall we?
There's approximately 1,236,769 threads related to the Zionist manipulation of the world. Can't we keep Israel out of a thread about illegal immigration?
Or do they have a controlling interest in that too?
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[Lawman]

[quote name='Bunghole' post='326305' date='Aug 29 2006, 08:34 PM']You guys are hijacking this thread!
Let's talk about the illegal immigration issue, shall we?
There's approximately 1,236,769 threads related to the Zionist manipulation of the world. Can't we keep Israel out of a thread about illegal immigration?
Or do they have a controlling interest in that too?
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Did you hear about signs out in California that were raised in supporting immigration?

I 'll find and report the rest of the story.

[Nati Ice]

[quote name='Lawman' post='326317' date='Aug 29 2006, 08:42 PM']Did you hear about signs out in California that were raised in supporting immigration?

I 'll find and report the rest of the story.[/quote]theres probably more illegals in cali than naturalized citizens so i cant really say i would be surprised by this

[Guest CincyInDC]

The Regime wants cheap labor in the form of illegal workers; it is a tremendous boost to the economy. If we were to institute guest worker programs, labor costs would rise and that is exactly what they are trying to avoid. Bush's guest worker plan is mere lip service for the Hispanic vote; it would never get by congress.

The real solution to any problem is to treat the root cause...not the symptoms. Why not invest in Mexico and make her less of a shithole that people are willing to risk their lives to leave? And I'm not talking about "fair trade" investment. Then Mexicans will get to deal with Guatemalans crossing the border.

[size=1]zion[/size]

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='CincyInDC' post='326685' date='Aug 30 2006, 12:04 PM']The Regime wants cheap labor in the form of illegal workers; it is a tremendous boost to the economy. If we were to institute guest worker programs, labor costs would rise and that is exactly what they are trying to avoid. Bush's guest worker plan is mere lip service for the Hispanic vote; it would never get by congress.

The real solution to any problem is to treat the root cause...not the symptoms. Why not invest in Mexico and make her less of a shithole that people are willing to risk their lives to leave? And I'm not talking about "fair trade" investment. Then Mexicans will get to deal with Guatemalans crossing the border.

[size=1]zion[/size] [/quote]

[Guest bengalrick]

[quote name='CincyInDC' post='326685' date='Aug 30 2006, 12:04 PM']The Regime wants cheap labor in the form of illegal workers; it is a tremendous boost to the economy. If we were to institute guest worker programs, labor costs would rise and that is exactly what they are trying to avoid. Bush's guest worker plan is mere lip service for the Hispanic vote; it would never get by congress.

The real solution to any problem is to treat the root cause...not the symptoms. [b]Why not invest in Mexico and make her less of a shithole that people are willing to risk their lives to leave? [/b] And I'm not talking about "fair trade" investment. Then Mexicans will get to deal with Guatemalans crossing the border.

[size=1]zion[/size] [/quote]

the problem isn't that we are not investing in mexico... we give them massive amounts of aid: [url="http://mexico.usembassy.gov/mexico/aid.html"]17.895 million in 2004.[/url] the problem in mexico isn't even the free trade... if we dropped NAFTA right now, mexico's inflation and prices would skyrocket tremendously... they are too invested in our own economy, and too used to our cheap taxes we give them... cutting NAFTA would only mean that mexico wanted to be protectionist economically, and they would be starting from scratch...

the problems in mexico is not that their economy sucks ass... actually, their GDP is 13th in the world... knowing that, and knowing that they are not the 13th best place i could think of living, there has to be another problem... the answer: their politics... the underlining problem is the corruption, but the real reason for the corruption is the gov't (now finally non existant) monopoly on mexican politics...

did you guys know, that one party (under different names) dominated every election for [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico#Government_and_politics"]70 years[/url]? : The Institutional Revolutionary Party (Spanish: Partido Revolucionario Institucional or PRI) is the Mexican political party that wielded hegemonic power in the country—under a succession of names—for more than 70 years. [i]The Institutional Revolutionary Party (Spanish: Partido Revolucionario Institucional or PRI) is the Mexican political party that wielded hegemonic power in the country—under a succession of names—for more than 70 years. New hopes for democratic development were given rise by the electoral defeat of the long governing political party, PRI, in 2000, by Vicente Fox from the center-right party PAN. In 2006, Felipe Calderón Hinojosa of the PAN faced Andrés Manuel López Obrador of the PRD in a very close, and still disputed, election. As of August 2006, the results of this election remain disputed and a series of leftist protests remain underway despite the calls of President Vicente Fox for an end to the protests. [/i] since 1997 though and vincente fox's election, senate has played more of a role in their gov't...

so do we need to simply give money to countries that we want to create opportunites for? hell, do we even need to worry about propping up mexico at this point? imo, they are finally on the right track... there is competition between the polical parties, and this will only lead to better things... i agree that we need to prop up mexico, b/c the ultimate out of immigration policies is to make their side look better... but this is an extremely long term goal... what do we do in the mean time?

anyone that only talks about helping mexico is not thinking about a. what happens when terrorists DO use the mexican or canadian borders b. what america's reaction would be to that c. this only solves the problem of stopping those we actually don't mind coming in (the hard working, legal immigrant)... this doesn't solve the problem for those we don't want in here (gang members, drug dealers, terrorists)

anyone that only talks about enforcement, is pissing in the wind... the best defense is a good offense, which means that in order to solve the problem, you have to attack the root problem (mexican economy)...

the thing is, we have to implement a three prong attack: 1. prop up mexian economy, allow more legal immigration to shorten lines, allow working permits 2. attack the US business owners who hire illegials and hurt the american economy by making us dependant on cheap labor, similar to the slavery days 3. enforce the border w/ smart fences (only in specific, high traffic areas), man-less drones, and more border guards...

all three have to be implemented, or none will work... at least not in the short term...