Scoutforlife591 Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 [quote name='SnickyCat' post='479416' date='Apr 29 2007, 04:20 PM']"a pass catching TE brings nothing to the table" sure it does....it keeps safties honest (less double/triple teams) & keeps teams from sending all their backers in to blitz (less QB pressure)!![/quote] While I'd like to agree, I'm pretty sure Marvin knows the affect a TE has on a defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tigris Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 [quote name='SnickyCat' post='479369' date='Apr 29 2007, 03:47 PM']So again to my question......when was the last time we drafted a TE to develop????? Anyone know?[/quote] Sean Brewer??? Didn't turn out too hot - though I don't think he was drafted to groom. I think he was drafted to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-GoBengals- Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 [quote name='SnickyCat' post='479416' date='Apr 29 2007, 04:20 PM']"a pass catching TE brings nothing to the table" sure it does....it keeps safties honest (less double/triple teams) & keeps teams from sending all their backers in to blitz (less QB pressure)!![/quote] did you just say "triple teams"? with chad, tj and henry on the field, no one isgetting triple teameed, hell with just chad and tj, no one is getting triple teamed, in fact, im not sure that I have ever seen anyone triple teamed (except in pornos). a RB out of the back field is just as dangerous and accomplishes all of the "less pressure" symatecs, and we have 2-3 of those currently on the roster. who do we stopthrowing to to throw to a mediocre TE? chad? tj? perry? henry? our sick receivers keep safeties honest and out in coverage. you do an all out DB blitz on us and your getting smoked for a TD. you cant possibly cover our receivers as it is. another TE brings nothing to the table, at least not that we dont already have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USN Bengal Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 [quote name='SnickyCat' post='479418' date='Apr 29 2007, 04:22 PM']As of now we have NO reliable 3rd WR (until 9th game) or pass catching TE.....its not about more yards, its about spreading the field (ala Colts...ala Pats)![/quote] HUH??? No reliable 3rd down WR? You been smoking Henrys ganja or what? Yeah, TJ and/or Chad aren't reliable 3rd down WR's at all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoutforlife591 Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 We won't be getting Patrick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnickyCat Posted April 29, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 a RB out of the back field is just as dangerous and accomplishes all of the "less pressure" symatecs, and we have 2-3 of those currently on the roster. Yes u r right...except Rudi is a bull of a runner but not a threat recieving & Chris Perry is on the roster....just not on the field... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dex Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 [quote name='Scoutforlife591' post='479426' date='Apr 29 2007, 03:28 PM']We won't be getting Patrick.[/quote] There's no way to prove it of course, but I don't believe the Bengals would've taken Patrick with either pick in round seven anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tigris Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 [quote name='USNBENGAL the Original' post='479424' date='Apr 29 2007, 04:27 PM']HUH??? No reliable 3rd down WR? You been smoking Henrys ganja or what? Yeah, TJ and/or Chad aren't reliable 3rd down WR's at all... [/quote] You might want to reread his post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globetrotter Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 [quote name='GoBengals' post='479408' date='Apr 29 2007, 04:12 PM']yes, he came out, someone sked if we would draft a TE. he said we already had one, would you rather throw the ball to chad or tj, or to a tight end? then he laughed... its not like if we draft a TE we are going to pass more, we have a top3 passing game in the entire nfl. a pass catching TE brings nothing to the table.[/quote] You are completely wrong here. A pass catching TE and a pass coatching RB give the offense a safety valve should things break down. Did we have that last year? Pery and Perry were both hurt and we lack a pass catching TE. The wideouts run long developing plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnickyCat Posted April 29, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 Thnx bro:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-GoBengals- Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 [quote name='SnickyCat' post='479418' date='Apr 29 2007, 04:22 PM']As of now we have NO reliable 3rd WR (until 9th game) or pass catching TE.....its not about more yards, its about spreading the field (ala Colts...ala Pats)![/quote] the only reason the colts used TE's more is because stokely was hurt all year, the year before only 1 TE had 20_ catches and a whopping 4 TD's and their top 3 wr's have 12, 5, and 1 TD's.. our top 3 had 7,9,9 the ptriots didnt even have a 800 yard receiver, and thier #2 top receiver was their TE. the only teams who use a TE alot, dont have good WR's. marvins words, not mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-GoBengals- Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 [quote name='globetrotter' post='479435' date='Apr 29 2007, 04:33 PM']You are completely wrong here. A pass catching TE and a pass coatching RB give the offense a safety valve should things break down. Did we have that last year? Pery and Perry were both hurt and we lack a pass catching TE. The wideouts run long developing plays.[/quote] yea, me and marvin are idiots...this offense is crumbling before our eyes. the passing game is an embarssment. our coach is a fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globetrotter Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 [quote name='Scoutforlife591' post='479419' date='Apr 29 2007, 04:23 PM']While I'd like to agree, I'm pretty sure Marvin knows the affect a TE has on a defense.[/quote] Marvin is going to try to make his current situation look as best as it can. And Marvin can be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest A-Men-HouseofPain Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 u guys should be cards fans, they have pope and patrick now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoutforlife591 Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 [quote name='dex' post='479432' date='Apr 29 2007, 04:32 PM']There's no way to prove it of course, but I don't believe the Bengals would've taken Patrick with either pick in round seven anyway.[/quote] Well, that and if you check the time stamp, Patrick was already picked by the Cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globetrotter Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 [quote name='GoBengals' post='479440' date='Apr 29 2007, 04:34 PM']yea, me and marvin are idiots...this offense is crumbling before our eyes. the passing game is an embarssment. our coach is a fool.[/quote] Do you really think the offense was that great last year? How many games did we not score twenty points and lose? Patriots, Bucs, Colts and stealers off the top of my head. This offense was not the offense of 2005 last year....because we did not have a safety valve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dex Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 [quote name='globetrotter' post='479441' date='Apr 29 2007, 03:35 PM']Marvin is going to try to make his current situation look as best as it can. And Marvin can be wrong.[/quote] If Marvin didn't like his current situation, he's had plenty of chances to change it. Yet he hasn't. Marvin can be wrong, but this is obviously his honest position. He was a defensive coordinator for many years. It's pretty obvious that a pass=catching TE didn't cause him too many sleepless nights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-GoBengals- Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 [quote name='globetrotter' post='479441' date='Apr 29 2007, 04:35 PM']Marvin is going to try to make his current situation look as best as it can. And Marvin can be wrong.[/quote] yes, year after year, he foolishly skips the one peice holding us back from a championship and successful offensive unit.....a pass catching TE. without it. we are nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-GoBengals- Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 [quote name='dex' post='479446' date='Apr 29 2007, 04:38 PM']If Marvin didn't like his current situation, he's had plenty of chances to change it. Yet he hasn't. Marvin can be wrong, but this is obviously his honest position. He was a defensive coordinator for many years. It's pretty obvious that a pass=catching TE didn't cause him too many sleepless nights.[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dex Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 [quote name='globetrotter' post='479445' date='Apr 29 2007, 03:38 PM']Do you really think the offense was that great last year? How many games did we not score twenty points and lose? Patriots, Bucs, Colts and stealers off the top of my head. This offense was not the offense of 2005 last year....because we did not have a safety valve.[/quote] That was because we were riddled with offensive line injuries and Palmer had a ton of rust to shovel off. Not being able to work during all those minicamps really hurt the passing game...but not enough that he still couldn't rack up 4000 yards via the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest happyrid Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 I would be really happy if we could repeat the success we had in the 7th round last year. We got a special teams star who might eventually develop into a solid defensive player and a WR who should have a good chance of making the team and eventually developing into a good player. I guess at this point, I would be glad to get two extremely raw guys who I have never heard of than some guy who is well known but slid for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USN Bengal Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 [quote name='Tigris' post='479433' date='Apr 29 2007, 04:32 PM']You might want to reread his post.[/quote] I read his post, and not only do Chad & TJ spead the field, they are reliable & catch the damn ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tigris Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 [quote name='A-Men-HouseofPain' post='479442' date='Apr 29 2007, 04:36 PM']u guys should be cards fans, they have pope and patrick now.[/quote] the cards have taken a crap load of guys that everyone on here seems to fall in love with... this year: branch, davis, patrick last year: pope, watson cardinals are moving on up!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-GoBengals- Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 [quote name='globetrotter' post='479445' date='Apr 29 2007, 04:38 PM']Do you really think the offense was that great last year? How many games did we not score twenty points and lose? Patriots, Bucs, Colts and stealers off the top of my head. This offense was not the offense of 2005 last year....because we did not have a safety valve.[/quote] i guess pass catching TE's resolve o-line protection problems now too? [quote name='dex' post='479450' date='Apr 29 2007, 04:40 PM']That was because we were riddled with[b] offensive line injuries[/b] and Palmer had a ton of rust to shovel off. Not being able to work during all those minicamps really hurt the passing game...but not enough that he still couldn't rack up 4000 yards via the air.[/quote] palmers "rust" was minimal, but his lack of protection was a clear and obvious issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tigris Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 [quote name='USNBENGAL the Original' post='479455' date='Apr 29 2007, 04:42 PM']I read his post, and not only do Chad & TJ spead the field, they are reliable & catch the damn ball.[/quote] Might want to do it again then. He wasn't saying Chad and TJ weren't reliable on third down (which you were talking about), he said we had no reliable [b]3rd[/b] WR right now with Henry out for the first 8 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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