BengalsCat Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 wow they beat a depleted LSU team... (which lost most of its good players the year before) wow alabama lost... big surprise there.. they shouldnt have been extended a bowl bid because they are so weak due to the national saction placed against them they lost alot of scholarships Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oldschooler Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 [quote name='bengalrick' date='Mar 2 2005, 11:33 AM']sec vs big 10... who cares who wins the bowl games... who produces more stars in the nfl?? big 10 sucks compared to the sec... this post (stanleys) should prove that... [right][post="54439"][/post][/right][/quote] You are going by a post that focuses on Bengal failures ? And BengalCat ...your suck ass Gators were pounded by a suck ass Canes team........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengalrick Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 [quote name='oldschooler' date='Mar 2 2005, 12:44 PM']You are going by a post that focuses on Bengal failures ? And BengalCat ...your suck ass Gators were pounded by a suck as Canes team........ [right][post="54451"][/post][/right][/quote] point taken, but i only looked at it in this instance... how many hidden gems, like rudi johnson, has come out of the big 10? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalsCat Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 [url="http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/rankings/all_time_conf_rankings.php"]http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/ranki...nf_rankings.php[/url] try that link maybe it will help u understand... and yes florida had a very very bad year this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oldschooler Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 And who gave those grades ? Would you like to have a DT that averages 40.5 tackles and 6.25 sacks a year ? Well that`s what Dan Wilkenson averaged while he was a Bengal. And he was given a D- [url="http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/4512"]http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/4512[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 [quote name='BengalsCat' date='Mar 2 2005, 11:48 AM'][url="http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/rankings/all_time_conf_rankings.php"]http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/ranki...nf_rankings.php[/url] try that link maybe it will help u understand... [b]and yes florida had a very very bad year this year[/b] [right][post="54456"][/post][/right][/quote] Even worse than FSU! I know that hurt... Sorry... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalsCat Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 my only point is the SEC is the better overall confrence from year to year the best talent comes out of the SEC...... probowlers SEC.... shit did u see the list of active players from the SEC Champ baily Rudi johnson Peyton Manning stephen davis Yeah lot of bad compition and shitty pussy players in the SEC... thats it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fancywhodey Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 [quote name='BengalsCat' date='Mar 2 2005, 12:36 PM']wow they beat a depleted LSU team... (which lost most of its good players the year before) wow alabama lost... big surprise there.. they shouldnt have been extended a bowl bid because they are so weak due to the national saction placed against them they lost alot of scholarships [right][post="54443"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] sec is better hands down, and i'm a bigten fan, to many powerhouses in sec, florida, auburn, tennessee, lsu, the only powerhouses in bigten are ohio st, and michigan, sure iowa, minnesota, and wisconsin are all good teams year in and year out, but they aren't powerhouse teams sec has a ton of pro players big ten has some but sec is def hardest conference in college football exactly why auburn should have played in the national championship, anyone who goes undefeated in the sec should have a shot at the national championship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalsCat Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 [quote name='oldschooler' date='Mar 2 2005, 01:53 PM']And who gave those grades ? Would you like to have a DT that averages 40.5 tackles and 6.25 sacks a year ? Well that`s what Dan Wilkenson averaged while he was a Bengal. And he was given a D- [url="http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/4512"]http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/4512[/url] [right][post="54458"][/post][/right][/quote] Not my fault ur wrong old school.. u picked the wrong side on this one.. Big 10 is good confence. SEC IS THE BEST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricket Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 I thought that it would be interesting to check out the conference rankings with Sagarin (computer rankings): His conference rankings include ALL teams in each conference. Based upon that, the Big-10 was the 4th best conference this past fall and the SEC was the 5th best. The best conference was the ACC; Pac-10 was 2nd; Big-12 was 3rd. The Pac-10 had four top-30 teams, while the other 4 conferences mentioned here each had five top-30 teams. These five conferences had 24 of the top 30 teams. ACC 7- Va Tech 9- Miami 16- Fla St 22- Va 25- Ga Tech Pac-10 1- USC 2- Cal 13- Az St 17- Ore St Big-12 3- Okla 8- Tex 14- Tex Tech 23- Tex A&M 28- Ok St Big-10 12- Iowa 19- Mich 21- OSU 24- Purdue 27- Wisc SEC 2- Aub 11- Ga 15- Ten 18- LSU 30- Fla Just wanted to provide some informational data -- I've no desire to "discuss" the relative merits of one conference vs. another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalsCat Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 [quote name='Bunghole' date='Mar 2 2005, 01:53 PM']Even worse than FSU! I know that hurt... Sorry... [right][post="54459"][/post][/right][/quote] Wow Pentlty on bunghole hitting below the belt! thats a five yard pently repeat last down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalsCat Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 georgia was the 6'th ranked team in the nation whats up with the low raking on them?? fl was numba 25 not thirty so its bad data.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Henrys Dealer Posted March 2, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 [quote name='oldschooler' date='Mar 2 2005, 01:53 PM']And who gave those grades ? Would you like to have a DT that averages 40.5 tackles and 6.25 sacks a year ? Well that`s what Dan Wilkenson averaged while he was a Bengal. And he was given a D- [url="http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/4512"]http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/4512[/url] [right][post="54458"][/post][/right][/quote] Hey he was first overall. I'd say disapointing. I thought about giving him anywhere between a B- and a D-. But then factored in his position. Like I said, it was very unscientific. Granted when you factor in the big sack years he had...he had 8 one year, led all tackles, I should move him up to a C+, B- Aren't you guys surprised by the low number of Big 12 picks? We've had 141 draft picks since 1990, and only 7 were used on Big 12 players? For a major conference, I found that ratio quite low. However, the relative lack of success that Conrhuskers experience in the pro's lately might explain that. Pro scouts might feel a lot of the success in that conference is system based rather than the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bengal_Smoov Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 C'mon guys we are from Big 10 country, but we all know the SEC is the best league for NFL talent, they put more pro's in the league than any other conference. The Big 10 is like the 3rd or 4th best conference when it comes to putting guys into the league. The Big 12 and the ACC put more guys into the league than the Big 10. I'm a Ohio State fan, but besides them, Michigan and Iowa; you rarely see guys from the Big 10 in the pros. You get a Penn State, Minnesota, Indiana, or Wisconsin guy in there every now and again. The SEC recruits heavily in south and that were most of the big, fast, and strong atheletes are from. You can't coach speed and that's what the NFL teams covet. Big 10 football is historic and the OSU/Michigan game is the best rivalry in college football, but they haven't been producing top atheletes for the past 5 years. I wouldn't mind seeing an all Florida roster with some Ohio guys sprinkled in there to give a local flavor. Also you can't really judge a conference based on how to team perform in a bowl game, if that was the case then the Pac-10 would be better than the Big 12 and that's just crazy. The Pac-10 has 2 or 3 decent teams a year, the Big 12 has 4-5 decent teams a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricket Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 [quote name='BengalsCat' date='Mar 2 2005, 12:55 PM']Not my fault ur wrong old school.. u picked the wrong side on this one.. Big 10 is good confence. SEC IS THE BEST [right][post="54462"][/post][/right][/quote] ...Unless you sort the data by "Nat. Champs Points" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 [quote name='BengalsCat' date='Mar 2 2005, 11:55 AM']Wow Pentlty on bunghole hitting below the belt! thats a five yard pently repeat last down [right][post="54464"][/post][/right][/quote] It's at least a 15-yarder...that was a personal foul, unneccesary rubbing it in on Bunghole, first down Cat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NASTYNATI Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 the toughest conference in college ball is the big 10 with the sec a close second. the sec produces more nfl/probowl ready/caliber players, but the strength of schedule just isnt there year after year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 [quote name='Bengal_Smoov' date='Mar 2 2005, 12:00 PM']C'mon guys we are from Big 10 country, but we all know the SEC is the best league for NFL talent, they put more pro's in the league than any other conference. The Big 10 is like the 3rd or 4th best conference when it comes to putting guys into the league. The Big 12 and the ACC put more guys into the league than the Big 10. I'm a Ohio State fan, but besides them, Michigan and Iowa; you rarely see guys from the Big 10 in the pros. You get a Penn State, Minnesota, Indiana, or Wisconsin guy in there every now and again. The SEC recruits heavily in south and that were most of the big, fast, and strong atheletes are from. You can't coach speed and that's what the NFL teams covet. Big 10 football is historic and the OSU/Michigan game is the best rivalry in college football, but they haven't been producing top atheletes for the past 5 years. I wouldn't mind seeing an all Florida roster with some Ohio guys sprinkled in there to give a local flavor. Also you can't really judge a conference based on how to team perform in a bowl game, if that was the case then the Pac-10 would be better than the Big 12 and that's just crazy. The Pac-10 has 2 or 3 decent teams a year, the Big 12 has 4-5 decent teams a year. [right][post="54469"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] Smoov, we may disagree in the General forum, but you're spot on here...which was the original intent of Dealer's post...The SEC doesn't have the tradition the Big Ten has, but they do seem to evolve more NFL-ready atheletes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oldschooler Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 [quote name='BengalsCat' date='Mar 2 2005, 11:55 AM']Not my fault ur wrong old school.. u picked the wrong side on this one.. Big 10 is good confence. SEC IS THE BEST [right][post="54462"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] Well using your own link.... it says SEC is ranked 1st overall with the Big 10 2nd [url="http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/rankings/all_time_conf_rankings.php"]http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/ranki...nf_rankings.php[/url] But if you click on national championships...it rates the Big 10 1st overall and the SEC 3rd.....hmmmmmmmmmmmm [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/23.gif[/img] [url="http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/rankings/all_time_conf_nchamps_rankings.php"]http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/ranki...ps_rankings.php[/url] And did`t Ohio State have the most players ever drafted in 1 draft in '04 ? Why yes they did........ [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/18.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest IndianaBengal Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 [quote name='BengalsCat' date='Mar 2 2005, 12:28 PM'][url="http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/rankings"]http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/rankings[/url] go to this link look at the top 25 teams tell me how does GEORGIA #6, TENNESSE #15, LSU #16, FLORIDA #25, AUBUNRN #2 all make it and the big ten has 2 reps michigan #12 and a very weak ohio state #19 team.. talk some more shit man.. u aint got nothing on the SEC Two teams in the top 10 and 5 in the top 25 yeah we suck [right][post="54428"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] This thread was about Bengals from years ago also. ex. J. Francis. If your post is to present the big ten as only Mich and OSU as being good. Think again. There is only one thing sure about the big ten that sux. That is IU football. We had Randle El. But we are the only pereniall dark cloud in the conference. Every other school has had two - seven "good to well above ave." seasons in the last ten years. I'll give you Minn and Northwestern are below par. But they have something to give every once in a while. [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/28.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 [quote name='oldschooler' date='Mar 2 2005, 12:04 PM']Well using your own link.... it says SEC is raked 1st overall with the Big 10 2nd [url="http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/rankings/all_time_conf_rankings.php"]http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/ranki...nf_rankings.php[/url] But if you click on national championships...it rates the Big 10 1st overall and the SEC 3rd.....hmmmmmmmmmmmm [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/23.gif[/img] [url="http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/rankings/all_time_conf_nchamps_rankings.php"]http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/ranki...ps_rankings.php[/url] [b]And did`t Ohio State have the most players ever drafted in 1 draft in '04 ?[/b]Why yes they did........ [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/18.gif[/img] [right][post="54476"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] An anomaly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricket Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 [quote name='BengalsCat' date='Mar 2 2005, 12:56 PM']georgia was the 6'th ranked team in the nation whats up with the low raking on them?? fl was numba 25 not thirty so its bad data.. [right][post="54465"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] Sagarin is a computer ranking. IMO it is more accurate than the polls done by coaches or sportswriters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengalrick Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 [quote name='Bunghole' date='Mar 2 2005, 01:06 PM']An anomaly. [right][post="54479"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] anomaly = deviation from the normal or common order or form or rule i know i'm not the only one that had no freakin' idea what that meant... its so obvious when your talking to an english major... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fancywhodey Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 [quote name='bengalrick' date='Mar 2 2005, 01:09 PM']anomaly = deviation from the normal or common order or form or rule i know i'm not the only one that had no freakin' idea what that meant... its so obvious when your talking to an english major... [right][post="54481"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] thanks i needed that not the brightest person here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oldschooler Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 [quote name='Stanley Wilson's Dealer' date='Mar 2 2005, 11:58 AM']Hey he was first overall. I'd say disapointing. I thought about giving him anywhere between a B- and a D-. But then factored in his position. Like I said, it was very unscientific. Granted when you factor in the big sack years he had...he had 8 one year, led all tackles, I should move him up to a C+, B- [right][post="54467"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] At least a B-.....he put up better than average numbers ecspecially considering he had Dave Shula as his coach. [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/17.gif[/img] Hell the man deserves an A now that I think about it !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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