Guest CrazyIrishman5 Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 Dayton Daily News WAKEMAN | Sheriff's deputies found 11 children locked in cages with alarms in a north Ohio home, and prosecutors are looking into possible charges of abuse and neglect. The children, ages 1 to 14, were in nine cages in the walls of a house outside this city of about 1,000 about 50 miles west of Cleveland, according to the Huron County Sheriff's Office. They had no blankets or pillows, and the cages were rigged with alarms that sounded if the cages were opened, Lt. Randy Sommers said. The children told authorities they slept in the 40-inches-high by 40 inches-deep cages at night. Doors to some of the cages were blocked with heavy furniture. Sharen and Mike Gravelle are adoptive or foster parents for all 11 children, officials said. Prosecutors are reviewing the case, but no charges had been filed as of Monday night. A children's services investigator saw one of the children in a cage Friday, Sommers said. The sheriff's office obtained a warrant and returned to the house around 5 that evening and removed the children. The Gravelles do not have a listed telephone number. A woman who identified herself as Sharen Gravelle's mother but would not give her name said the reports about her daughter were not true. She said the children were happy in their new home. "This year they have played and had fun and laughed like no other children have, which they have never been able to do," she said. At a hearing Monday, a judge placed the children in the custody of the Department of Job and Family Services, where officials placed them in four foster homes, Huron County Juvenile Court Administrator Chris Mushett said. Appearing with a lawyer at the hearing, the Gravelles denied they had abused or neglected the children. Huron County Prosecutor Russell Leffler said the children had various disabilities, including autism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfeet4real Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 whoever did that to those kids should be shot in the face with a shotgun.........that is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oldschooler Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 [quote]Prosecutors are reviewing the case, but no charges had been filed as of Monday night. prosecutors are looking into possible charges of abuse and neglect.[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oldschooler Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 [quote]A woman who identified herself as Sharen Gravelle's mother but would not give her name said the reports about her daughter were not true. She said the children were happy in their new home. "This year they have played and had fun and laughed like no other children have, which they have never been able to do," she said.[/quote] They should lock her up too for being so stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 [quote]The children, ages 1 to 14, were in nine cages in the walls of a house outside this city of about 1,000 about 50 miles west of [b]Cleveland[/b],[/quote] [color="red"][b]Not suprised[/b][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 [quote name='BlackJesus' date='Sep 13 2005, 04:19 PM'][size=7][/size] [color="red"][b]Not suprised[/b][/color] [right][post="148082"][/post][/right][/quote] I don't blame them, the kids were probably Browns fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NateDawg Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 [quote name='BlackJesus' date='Sep 13 2005, 11:19 AM'][size=7][/size] [color="red"][b]Not suprised[/b][/color] [right][post="148082"][/post][/right][/quote] i was thinkin the same thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest steggyD Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Seems they dressed and acted better than all the other kids. Maybe these people are onto something? [url="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050913/ap_on_re_us/caged_children"]Yahoo News[/url] [quote][b]Neighbors Say Kids Found in Cages Polite[/b] By M.R. KROPKO, Associated Press Writer 13 minutes ago WAKEMAN, Ohio - The 11 children removed from a house where authorities say some of them slept in homemade cages are polite, well-behaved, well-dressed and appear to have been well-fed, neighbors and authorities said Tuesday. Their adoptive parents, Michael Gravelle, 56, and Sharen Gravelle, 57, denied in a custody hearing Monday that they abused or neglected the children, who are ages 1-14 and have conditions that included autism and fetal alcohol syndrome. No charges had been filed as of Tuesday afternoon, and messages left with the couple's lawyer were not immediately returned. The Gravelles have said a psychiatrist recommended they make the children sleep in the cages, Huron County Prosecutor Russell Leffler told the Norwalk Reflector. The parents said the children, including some who had mental disorders, needed to be protected from each other, according to a search warrant on file at Norwalk Municipal Court. Leffler refused to speak with an Associated Press reporter Tuesday at his office. Neighbors said they often saw or heard the children playing, and the family yard was littered with toys  plastic cars, tricycles, slides and an overturned skateboard near a wooden ramp. Seven bicycles were piled in a storage shed. "Those kids were dressed better than some of the kids who live in Cleveland. They behaved like any other kids when they were outside playing," said Jim Power, who lives across the street. At night, authorities say, eight of the children were confined in 3 1/2-foot-tall wooden cages stacked in bedrooms on the second floor. The cages were painted in bright, primary colors, with some rigged with alarms that would send a signal to the downstairs when a cage door was opened. One cage had a dresser in front of it, county sheriff's Lt. Randy Sommers said Tuesday. "The sheriff and I stood there for a few minutes and just kind of stared at what we were seeing. We were speechless," Sommers said. No one answered the Gravelles' door Tuesday, and the gray, four-bedroom house was dark. A pig, roosters and other animals shared the yard outside Wakeman, a city of about 1,000 people 50 miles west of Cleveland. The children have been placed with four foster families and were doing well, said Erich Dumbeck, director of the Huron County Department of Job and Family Services. "We're still trying to figure out what happened in that home. We don't have any indication at this point that there was any abuse," Dumbeck said. Sommers said a social worker investigating a complaint contacted authorities. Dumbeck would not discuss the complaint. According to the search warrant, the cages had mats and the house smelled of urine. One boy said he slept in a cage for three years, Sommers said. A baby slept in a small bed, and two girls used mattresses Deputies said they were called to the home last year when a 12-year-old boy was upset and ran away for several hours. He was found not far away. Although the family has lived in Huron County for 10 years, the children were adopted through other counties and states, Dumbeck said. He said his agency was trying to determine how the adoptions were completed. "I don't believe there were any caseworkers checking in with this family," he said. Reviews are ordered only when there is a complaint. One of the children, a boy born with HIV, was adopted as an infant in 2001 through the Cuyahoga County Department of Children and Family Services, the agency's director Jim McCafferty said. For caring for him, the Gravelles received a subsidy of at least $500 a month. The private agencies who reviewed the couple's home life before the adoption gave them "glowing reports," McCafferty said. Leah Hunter, who lives two houses away, said she often saw the children walking down the road. "They looked OK. They hardly ever wore shoes but I'm a country girl and for me that's normal," she said.[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalBeotch Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 "let me at em" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BadassBengal Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Eh, IMO, I dont think they've done anything wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nati Ice Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 [img]http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y95/jrod9927/tard.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalBeotch Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 [quote name='BadassBengal' date='Sep 14 2005, 03:46 AM']Eh, IMO, I dont think they've done anything wrong... [right][post="148538"][/post][/right][/quote] Is that what happened to you BadAss? were you caged? I owed you one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NASTYNATI Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 [quote name='BadassBengal' date='Sep 13 2005, 10:46 PM']Eh, IMO, I dont think they've done anything wrong... [right][post="148538"][/post][/right][/quote] joke or not, this isnt funny... your a dumbass! these people are sick and deserve to be punished! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest steggyD Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 [quote name='NASTYNATI' date='Sep 14 2005, 04:04 AM']joke or not, this isnt funny... your a dumbass! these people are sick and deserve to be punished! [right][post="148613"][/post][/right][/quote] Did you read the post that I put up there. These people were adopting troubled children and trying to help them. The kids were not kept in cages, some of them slept in cages. It was recommended, as a way to help them. It is different, but maybe not so bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BadassBengal Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 [quote name='NASTYNATI' date='Sep 14 2005, 03:04 AM']joke or not, this isnt funny... your a dumbass! these people are sick and deserve to be punished! [right][post="148613"][/post][/right][/quote] you moocow, it doesn't look that bad. They were treated right, and like..... not bad. yea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NASTYNATI Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 wakeman, ohio is very close to my home town... there was a huge write up in the local newspaper about this it was also broadcast on the glenn beck radio show. the adoptive parents also put them in cages as a form of punishment . thats fucking sick. honestly do you buy the whole it helps them sleep story??? do you have any idea what kinda paycheck these people were recieving from the government for adopting these severely disabled,handicapped children... adopted or not there never should have been 11 children in one household period, and def. not 11 handicapped children. they were not getting the proper attention and care that was needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest steggyD Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 You have your take on it, I have mine. It seems that they were willing to take very unfortunate children and try to help them out. It's just that I read the other people's takes on the situation and they said that the children are very well behaved and dressed. Then I thought about how poorly behaved fortunate children are, and the way that they talk and dress. Maybe these people are onto something for some of these problemed children. Maybe it needs work. It is very experimental, yes, but I wouldn't call it abuse yet. Not from what I have read. Now if it comes out that these children were kept in cages for most of the time, I would definitely have a problem. But the neighbors said that these children were often outside playing and such. How many children get out of the front of their playstations long enough to play anymore, much less, born alcholic children, etc. Another thing to consider. Bengal Beotch is taking her 3 year old son to have a piece of skin chopped off of his weiner. Now if that wasn't such a normal thing to be done on this planet, how would that look? How would that look to an alien visitor where on their planet they don't cut skin off of their reproductive organs. They would probably call it barbaric. But to us, we think it is normal and would reprimand her if she didn't have that done to her son. Just so you all know, none of my children sleep in cages. But, then again, I have no problems with my children. I'm just playing the other side of the argument here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tracenuts Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 [quote name='steggyD' date='Sep 13 2005, 08:03 PM']Seems they dressed and acted better than all the other kids. Maybe these people are onto something? [url="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050913/ap_on_re_us/caged_children"]Yahoo News[/url] [right][post="148440"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] the dressed better than all the other kids.......IN CLEVLAND...... thats not saying much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NASTYNATI Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 [quote name='steggyD' date='Sep 15 2005, 07:59 AM']You have your take on it, I have mine. It seems that they were willing to take very unfortunate children and try to help them out. It's just that I read the other people's takes on the situation and they said that the children are very well behaved and dressed. Then I thought about how poorly behaved fortunate children are, and the way that they talk and dress. Maybe these people are onto something for some of these problemed children. Maybe it needs work. It is very experimental, yes, but I wouldn't call it abuse yet. Not from what I have read. Now if it comes out that these children were kept in cages for most of the time, I would definitely have a problem. But the neighbors said that these children were often outside playing and such. How many children get out of the front of their playstations long enough to play anymore, much less, born alcholic children, etc. Another thing to consider. Bengal Beotch is taking her 3 year old son to have a piece of skin chopped off of his weiner. Now if that wasn't such a normal thing to be done on this planet, how would that look? How would that look to an alien visitor where on their planet they don't cut skin off of their reproductive organs. They would probably call it barbaric. But to us, we think it is normal and would reprimand her if she didn't have that done to her son. Just so you all know, none of my children sleep in cages. But, then again, I have no problems with my children. I'm just playing the other side of the argument here. [right][post="149248"][/post][/right][/quote] they had cages suspended from the ceiling and some on the floor that were directly below them. the children that were on the bottom were being spit and urinated on at times. one of the children with hiv. had a biting problem which started this "keep them in cage" bullshit . to make a long story short, the house was far to small to hold 13 people comfortably (handicapped children or not) secondly if your hiv infected child has a biting issue you need to seek outside help, you dont hang him from a ceiling in a fucking cage! this case has ABUSE written all over it. these people were living off of the government money recieved for taking in these handicapped children. there is nothing even remotely respectable or right about this. i hope the parents are severely punished! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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