F.Cleveland

I'm all for this and trade from the 3rd to the end of 2 to take Grier and I'd be happy.

This is difficult because the current thought is he could be a game changer but if the top 4 teams not only passed on him but didn't trade out of their spots, I'd question if he was worth being chosen that high in the first place. If you believe he's a game changer then yes and you just got the steal of the century. If you weren't sure to begin with, then you stay and if he falls you think hard about taking him at 11.

Show us on the doll where Mike Brown touched you.

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You apparently didn't read the post I was responding to. It said the two best, not any two. Also, you, I, and everyone else on this board has no fucking clue who they've talked to. How do you know they didn't offer both similar money and they turned it down? You don't. I don't. But God forbid anyone not think about dicks in hands, because they just don't understand that just the thought of those dicks in those hands is all you need to rage at what the internet said.

Seriously, just watch a game after the first 2 or 3 and keep your eyes on Bobby Hart. The interior of the line was reason 1, 2, and 3 as to why the run game sucked at times and probably 9 out of every 10 pressures. Unless a free agent RT can play 4 spots, then they would make no difference.

Did no one tell you that websites with articles by people who read other websites say he is terrible? Once you know that, you can just let rage do your typing.

Mosley got about 17 per. Brown got about 16 per. That's all but 10 mil of their cap space. One linebacker and one OT, even if they are the best available, don't make this team that much better. What you just described is only a good idea if your team is one or two players away. Sure, there are a ton of other ways to be terrible, but that is literally the one lesson that is on display every FA period and yet...people want shiny things so temper tantrums will be thrown.

Correct. He's also 24 and his issues are technique related.

Just watched the Bucs and Saints. Same thing. He's a little soft on bull rushes occasionally but the overwhelming majority of the time one he's centered on his guy he maintains the block and doesn't get tossed left or right. He has come a long way to being better at defending the outside speed rushers, but every tackle is gonna have issues with the best ones. One thing I have noticed is that the o-line in general was trying to pull guards and more complicated run plays against better defenses and it looked like chaos and confusion.

Anyone out there a PFF member that would know how where to find grades and stats (penalties and sacks given up) for each game and might be willing to post those for Bobby for last year? I want to watch his tape from last year and it would be helpful to match grades and the negative stats to what I'm seeing. I just watched every snap of the chiefs game and he looked okay. He had a false start and had one or two guys get past him on the edge early in the game, but by and large he was fine. He just looks like he's thinking too much and is getting used to playing against the speed of the NFL. A few times late in the game he made pretty decent plays against twists and he is really light on his feet for a big guy.

It's a one year deal for 5.4 with options for the following 2 at about 5 per and a 2 mil cap hit if they cut bait next year. It's insurance, not a direction. If he's not needed at RT because this year's draft pick is good, then they have depth and can try him at RG. If he's good enough, they have a cost controlled RG for two more years and can replace Boling and Glenn next year with a pick and a signing. If not, he is cut and no big deal.

Why wait until the tampering period to do this deal if there was no bidding?

Paid like a back-up that may have to start some in 19 and will be a back-up in 20 and 21. He's an expensive insurance policy that provides depth, not the answer to fixing RT. This is... not that big of a deal.

If they are going to draft a rookie in 1 or 2 to play RT, it would make no sense to sign an RT to a big contract. No decent RT is gonna sign a deal in a place they think will be drafting their replacement. So, they have nothing currently on the roster and no guarantee to get a player they want in the draft, especially if White is there at 11. They had to get someone there and the price for average linemen is insane to the point that someone may have paid him 6 or 7 in a situation where they HAD to get someone and were cash strapped. Plus, they also have no real RG, which watching Hart's problems (imo not laterally quick enough), seems like it might be a better position for him any way. If they draft a beast at RT and he becomes a RG, then it's a good move. If they intend to make him the RT for the next three years, then by all means continue on with the melt down.