Guest CrazyIrishman5 Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 [quote name='Master Shake' post='212068' date='Feb 1 2006, 01:58 PM'][quote name='CrazyIrishman5' post='212033' date='Feb 1 2006, 01:07 PM'] [quote name='BengalsOwn' post='211973' date='Feb 1 2006, 11:29 AM'] [quote name='fredtoast' post='211936' date='Feb 1 2006, 10:13 AM'] [quote name='CrazyIrishman5' post='211683' date='Jan 31 2006, 09:43 PM'] I will tell you what, you name me a great QB who did not have a good or a great TE and I will shut up![/quote] Carson Palmer, 67.8 comp. pct., 3836 yds, 32 td, 101.1 pass rating. [/quote] [img]http://0wn3d.dk/owned/Mc-Own3d.jpg[/img] [/quote] [b]2004 Daunte Culpepper, 69.2 comp. pct., 4717 yds, 39 td , 110.9 pass rating.[/b] Greatness is defined by Superbowls!!!!! [img]http://www.owned.com/Owned_Pictures/guardingtheball.jpg[/img] [/quote] Umm...the Vikings leading receiver that year was... Tight End Jermaine Wiggins with 71 catches!!! [/quote] So your saying Daunte Culpepper is a great QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-GoBengals- Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 [quote name='CrazyIrishman5' post='211951' date='Feb 1 2006, 10:48 AM'][quote]could you name me one that did? i guess fioria is the reason the patriots won 3 of the last 4 superbowls? in fact during the patriots last superbowl season, he was the 7th reciving yards on the team and had 2 TD's... man what would they have done without him?[/quote] Tom Brady has had Christian Fauria, Daniel Graham and Ben Watson Other QB's Joe Montana - Brent Jones and Dwight Clark Brett Favre - Keith Jackson and Mark Chmura John Elway - Shannon Sharpe Troy Aikman - Jay Novacek Steve Young - Brent Jones Phil Simms - Mark Bavaro Terry Bradshaw - Randy Grossman and Bennie Cunningham Joe Namath - Pete Lammons Dan Marino - Bruce Hardy and Keith Jackson [/quote] and i already posted stats showing that the TE's were hardly huge factors and thier defense holding the opposing team to fewer points won them the game.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 I dont think we need one first two rounds we should look at DE DT and Safety....pending to free agency We need a tight end that can get open on 3rd down...usually TJ is open on 3rd down and chris perry may not have much value on a 3rd and 6....if we can get a tight end that get find a break in the zone and get open...it would probably be a nightmare for defenses to stop us on a 3rd and 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Master Shake Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 [quote name='CrazyIrishman5' post='212246' date='Feb 1 2006, 06:26 PM'][quote name='Master Shake' post='212068' date='Feb 1 2006, 01:58 PM'] [quote name='CrazyIrishman5' post='212033' date='Feb 1 2006, 01:07 PM'] [quote name='BengalsOwn' post='211973' date='Feb 1 2006, 11:29 AM'] [quote name='fredtoast' post='211936' date='Feb 1 2006, 10:13 AM'] [quote name='CrazyIrishman5' post='211683' date='Jan 31 2006, 09:43 PM'] I will tell you what, you name me a great QB who did not have a good or a great TE and I will shut up![/quote] Carson Palmer, 67.8 comp. pct., 3836 yds, 32 td, 101.1 pass rating. [/quote] [img]http://0wn3d.dk/owned/Mc-Own3d.jpg[/img] [/quote] [b]2004 Daunte Culpepper, 69.2 comp. pct., 4717 yds, 39 td , 110.9 pass rating.[/b] Greatness is defined by Superbowls!!!!! [img]http://www.owned.com/Owned_Pictures/guardingtheball.jpg[/img] [/quote] Umm...the Vikings leading receiver that year was... Tight End Jermaine Wiggins with 71 catches!!! [/quote] So your saying Daunte Culpepper is a great QB? [/quote] He was that year... are you saying Carson's NOT a great QB???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 Nobody is saying that we dont want to upgrade the TE spot, were saying it shouldnt be the top priority. Defence should, Im not sure how anyone cant see that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBZ Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 [quote name='JC' post='212284' date='Feb 1 2006, 06:48 PM']I dont think we need one first two rounds we should look at DE DT and Safety....pending to free agency We need a tight end that can get open on 3rd down...usually TJ is open on 3rd down and chris perry may not have much value on a 3rd and 6....if we can get a tight end that get find a break in the zone and get open...it would probably be a nightmare for defenses to stop us on a 3rd and 8.[/quote] Good post...I think the key is that once you get past 3rd and 5, Perry is not as much of a factor. That's when you need a TE that makes mismatches on that kind of down and yardage. The key with DE, DT, and S...Is that getting a starter in anyone of those spots will improve our overall passrush, just by having that 'job' performed better. Getting 2 of 3 on Day 1 will make a very large difference. [if we get the right guys] BZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fredtoast Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 [quote name='CrazyIrishman5' post='212233' date='Feb 1 2006, 06:13 PM'][quote name='fredtoast' post='212079' date='Feb 1 2006, 02:10 PM'] [quote name='CrazyIrishman5' post='212033' date='Feb 1 2006, 01:07 PM'] Greatness is defined by Superbowls!!!!![/quote] How many catches did Kurt warner's TE have the year he won the Super Bowl? Can you even name him? [/quote] I didn't know Kurt Warner was a great QB but since you asked Roland Williams. [/quote] [b]YOU[/b] were the one that said that greatness was defined by Super Bowls, but I would say that 4,500+ yds and 40+ tds for a Super Bowl winning team qualifies as great. BTW Williams had 25 catches for 226 yards that year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fredtoast Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 [quote name='CrazyIrishman5' post='211683' date='Jan 31 2006, 09:43 PM']I will tell you what, you name me a great QB who did not have a good or a great TE and I will shut up![/quote] So let's see if he sticks to his word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CrazyIrishman5 Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 [quote name='fredtoast' post='212513' date='Feb 2 2006, 12:34 AM'][quote name='CrazyIrishman5' post='212233' date='Feb 1 2006, 06:13 PM'] [quote name='fredtoast' post='212079' date='Feb 1 2006, 02:10 PM'] [quote name='CrazyIrishman5' post='212033' date='Feb 1 2006, 01:07 PM'] Greatness is defined by Superbowls!!!!![/quote] How many catches did Kurt warner's TE have the year he won the Super Bowl? Can you even name him? [/quote] I didn't know Kurt Warner was a great QB but since you asked Roland Williams. [/quote] [b]YOU[/b] were the one that said that greatness was defined by Super Bowls, but I would say that 4,500+ yds and 40+ tds for a Super Bowl winning team qualifies as great. BTW Williams had 25 catches for 226 yards that year. [/quote] Yes, Roland Williams had only 25 catches for 226 yards but you left out [b]HE HAD 6 TD's!!!![/b] The Bengals TE's had 2! BTW: Greatness is defined by [b]Superbowls[/b]!!!!! meaning more then one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CrazyIrishman5 Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 [quote name='Master Shake' post='212402' date='Feb 1 2006, 10:14 PM'][quote name='CrazyIrishman5' post='212246' date='Feb 1 2006, 06:26 PM'] [quote name='Master Shake' post='212068' date='Feb 1 2006, 01:58 PM'] [quote name='CrazyIrishman5' post='212033' date='Feb 1 2006, 01:07 PM'] [quote name='BengalsOwn' post='211973' date='Feb 1 2006, 11:29 AM'] [quote name='fredtoast' post='211936' date='Feb 1 2006, 10:13 AM'] [quote name='CrazyIrishman5' post='211683' date='Jan 31 2006, 09:43 PM'] I will tell you what, you name me a great QB who did not have a good or a great TE and I will shut up![/quote] Carson Palmer, 67.8 comp. pct., 3836 yds, 32 td, 101.1 pass rating. [/quote] [img]http://0wn3d.dk/owned/Mc-Own3d.jpg[/img] [/quote] [b]2004 Daunte Culpepper, 69.2 comp. pct., 4717 yds, 39 td , 110.9 pass rating.[/b] Greatness is defined by Superbowls!!!!! [img]http://www.owned.com/Owned_Pictures/guardingtheball.jpg[/img] [/quote] Umm...the Vikings leading receiver that year was... Tight End Jermaine Wiggins with 71 catches!!! [/quote] So your saying Daunte Culpepper is a great QB? [/quote] He was that year... are you saying Carson's NOT a great QB???? [/quote] Carson a good QB, not great! You can't compare Carson with Montana, Elway and or Bradshaw [b]yet[/b]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fredtoast Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 [quote name='CrazyIrishman5' post='212657' date='Feb 2 2006, 01:25 PM']BTW: Greatness is defined by [b]Superbowls[/b]!!!!! meaning more then one! [/quote] Then why do you have Marino and Namath on your list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 [quote name='fredtoast' post='212667' date='Feb 2 2006, 02:03 PM'][quote name='CrazyIrishman5' post='212657' date='Feb 2 2006, 01:25 PM'] BTW: Greatness is defined by [b]Superbowls[/b]!!!!! meaning more then one! [/quote] Then why do you have Marino and Namath on your list? [/quote] [img]http://pubpages.unh.edu/~douglasj/stallowned%20copy.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CrazyIrishman5 Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 [quote name='fredtoast' post='212667' date='Feb 2 2006, 02:03 PM'][quote name='CrazyIrishman5' post='212657' date='Feb 2 2006, 01:25 PM'] BTW: Greatness is defined by [b]Superbowls[/b]!!!!! meaning more then one! [/quote] Then why do you have Marino and Namath on your list? [/quote] That why there at the bottom of the list. Marino was a very good QB but maybe not great because he did not win a Superbowl. Namath was on the list because he said he would win the Superbowl and did it against one of the greatest teams in NFL history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Master Shake Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 So are you saying the ONLY great QBs ever are Starr, Staubach, Bradshaw, Montana, Aikman, Elway, and Brady cause no one else has won multiple SBs?...I think there are several others that should be considered great, and I think Carson could be considered great even if he wins "only" one Superbowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CrazyIrishman5 Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 [quote name='Master Shake' post='212764' date='Feb 2 2006, 04:51 PM']So are you saying the ONLY great QBs ever are Starr, Staubach, Bradshaw, Montana, Aikman, Elway, and Brady cause no one else has won multiple SBs?...I think there are several others that should be considered great, and I think Carson could be considered great even if he wins "only" one Superbowl.[/quote] That why I say, Greatness is defined by Superbowls. Let me quote someone for you "Stats are for losers, winning is all that matters" Marvin Lewis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-GoBengals- Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 [quote name='CrazyIrishman5' post='212981' date='Feb 2 2006, 10:33 PM'][quote name='Master Shake' post='212764' date='Feb 2 2006, 04:51 PM'] So are you saying the ONLY great QBs ever are Starr, Staubach, Bradshaw, Montana, Aikman, Elway, and Brady cause no one else has won multiple SBs?...I think there are several others that should be considered great, and I think Carson could be considered great even if he wins "only" one Superbowl.[/quote] That why I say, Greatness is defined by Superbowls. Let me quote someone for you "Stats are for losers, winning is all that matters" Marvin Lewis. [/quote] so jake plummer is better than carson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Claptonrocks Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 Would it be nice to have a TE that could actually catch the ball consistently? yeah... Do we really need that in our offense.....not really.. Our offense scores allot of points... Its the DEFENSE that needs to be upgraded with as many top picks as the team can muster.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CrazyIrishman5 Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 [quote name='GoBengals' post='212984' date='Feb 2 2006, 10:38 PM'][quote name='CrazyIrishman5' post='212981' date='Feb 2 2006, 10:33 PM'] [quote name='Master Shake' post='212764' date='Feb 2 2006, 04:51 PM'] So are you saying the ONLY great QBs ever are Starr, Staubach, Bradshaw, Montana, Aikman, Elway, and Brady cause no one else has won multiple SBs?...I think there are several others that should be considered great, and I think Carson could be considered great even if he wins "only" one Superbowl.[/quote] That why I say, Greatness is defined by Superbowls. Let me quote someone for you "Stats are for losers, winning is all that matters" Marvin Lewis. [/quote] so jake plummer is better than carson? [/quote] What? When did I say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-GoBengals- Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 [quote name='CrazyIrishman5' post='213006' date='Feb 2 2006, 11:30 PM'][quote name='GoBengals' post='212984' date='Feb 2 2006, 10:38 PM'] [quote name='CrazyIrishman5' post='212981' date='Feb 2 2006, 10:33 PM'] [quote name='Master Shake' post='212764' date='Feb 2 2006, 04:51 PM'] So are you saying the ONLY great QBs ever are Starr, Staubach, Bradshaw, Montana, Aikman, Elway, and Brady cause no one else has won multiple SBs?...I think there are several others that should be considered great, and I think Carson could be considered great even if he wins "only" one Superbowl.[/quote] That why I say, Greatness is defined by Superbowls. Let me quote someone for you [b]"Stats are for losers, winning is all that matters"[/b] Marvin Lewis. [/quote] so jake plummer is better than carson? [/quote] What? When did I say that? [/quote] plummer had more wins than carson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CrazyIrishman5 Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 [quote name='GoBengals' post='213008' date='Feb 2 2006, 11:33 PM'][quote name='CrazyIrishman5' post='213006' date='Feb 2 2006, 11:30 PM'] [quote name='GoBengals' post='212984' date='Feb 2 2006, 10:38 PM'] [quote name='CrazyIrishman5' post='212981' date='Feb 2 2006, 10:33 PM'] [quote name='Master Shake' post='212764' date='Feb 2 2006, 04:51 PM'] So are you saying the ONLY great QBs ever are Starr, Staubach, Bradshaw, Montana, Aikman, Elway, and Brady cause no one else has won multiple SBs?...I think there are several others that should be considered great, and I think Carson could be considered great even if he wins "only" one Superbowl.[/quote] That why I say, Greatness is defined by Superbowls. Let me quote someone for you [b]"Stats are for losers, winning is all that matters"[/b] Marvin Lewis. [/quote] so jake plummer is better than carson? [/quote] What? When did I say that? [/quote] plummer had more wins than carson [/quote] No! "Stats are for losers, winning is all that matters" said by Marvin Lewis is in reference to winning the Superbowl. Both did not win the Superbowl but personally I think Carson is the better QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-GoBengals- Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 [quote name='CrazyIrishman5' post='213031' date='Feb 3 2006, 12:10 AM'][quote name='GoBengals' post='213008' date='Feb 2 2006, 11:33 PM'] [quote name='CrazyIrishman5' post='213006' date='Feb 2 2006, 11:30 PM'] [quote name='GoBengals' post='212984' date='Feb 2 2006, 10:38 PM'] [quote name='CrazyIrishman5' post='212981' date='Feb 2 2006, 10:33 PM'] [quote name='Master Shake' post='212764' date='Feb 2 2006, 04:51 PM'] So are you saying the ONLY great QBs ever are Starr, Staubach, Bradshaw, Montana, Aikman, Elway, and Brady cause no one else has won multiple SBs?...I think there are several others that should be considered great, and I think Carson could be considered great even if he wins "only" one Superbowl.[/quote] That why I say, Greatness is defined by Superbowls. Let me quote someone for you [b]"Stats are for losers, winning is all that matters"[/b] Marvin Lewis. [/quote] so jake plummer is better than carson? [/quote] What? When did I say that? [/quote] plummer had more wins than carson [/quote] No! "Stats are for losers, winning is all that matters" said by Marvin Lewis is in reference to winning the Superbowl. Both did not win the Superbowl but personally I think Carson is the better QB. [/quote] you can split hairs if you want, but the theory is winning counts and stats are for shit, plummer won more games and went much further into the playoffs than carson, thus in that theory plummer is the better QB, there is no argueing around it, i have never seen so many ass backwards explanations to QB's weak ass TE's being so important to the team, and frankly what the hell does the nfl 5 years ago have to do with the nfl today? with so many changes in the game, a decade is a lifetime for players, coaches, rules, styles, the winner of the last 3 of 4 superbowls, didnt rely on the TE, and had lesser stats than our offense in each of those instances, its fact, its in writing, we had more yards, passing and rushing, more td's, more everything, does it matter who got it? no, an offense in ranked on points scored, and we can score with the best of them, there is zero logic to needing a TE in the first 3-4 rounds, zero, when did one of our TE's lose a game for us? just let this one go, how many great TE's are in the nfl right now? 2-3? how many of them are in the superbowl? zero.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CrazyIrishman5 Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 [quote name='GoBengals' post='213033' date='Feb 3 2006, 12:18 AM'][quote name='CrazyIrishman5' post='213031' date='Feb 3 2006, 12:10 AM'] [quote name='GoBengals' post='213008' date='Feb 2 2006, 11:33 PM'] [quote name='CrazyIrishman5' post='213006' date='Feb 2 2006, 11:30 PM'] [quote name='GoBengals' post='212984' date='Feb 2 2006, 10:38 PM'] [quote name='CrazyIrishman5' post='212981' date='Feb 2 2006, 10:33 PM'] [quote name='Master Shake' post='212764' date='Feb 2 2006, 04:51 PM'] So are you saying the ONLY great QBs ever are Starr, Staubach, Bradshaw, Montana, Aikman, Elway, and Brady cause no one else has won multiple SBs?...I think there are several others that should be considered great, and I think Carson could be considered great even if he wins "only" one Superbowl.[/quote] That why I say, Greatness is defined by Superbowls. Let me quote someone for you [b]"Stats are for losers, winning is all that matters"[/b] Marvin Lewis. [/quote] so jake plummer is better than carson? [/quote] What? When did I say that? [/quote] plummer had more wins than carson [/quote] No! "Stats are for losers, winning is all that matters" said by Marvin Lewis is in reference to winning the Superbowl. Both did not win the Superbowl but personally I think Carson is the better QB. [/quote] you can split hairs if you want, but the theory is winning counts and stats are for shit, plummer won more games and went much further into the playoffs than carson, thus in that theory plummer is the better QB, there is no argueing around it, i have never seen so many ass backwards explanations to QB's weak ass TE's being so important to the team, and frankly what the hell does the nfl 5 years ago have to do with the nfl today? with so many changes in the game, a decade is a lifetime for players, coaches, rules, styles, the winner of the last 3 of 4 superbowls, didnt rely on the TE, and had lesser stats than our offense in each of those instances, its fact, its in writing, we had more yards, passing and rushing, more td's, more everything, does it matter who got it? no, an offense in ranked on points scored, and we can score with the best of them, there is zero logic to needing a TE in the first 3-4 rounds, zero, when did one of our TE's lose a game for us? just let this one go, how many great TE's are in the nfl right now? 2-3? how many of them are in the superbowl? zero.... [/quote] Plummers got further into the playoffs because 1. Carson got hurt 2. Tom Brady had a sports hernia [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2317223"]http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2317223[/url] There are 2 good TE in this Superbowl Heath Miller and Jerramy Stevens. I agree we need help on defense but also think we need a reliable TE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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