Jamie_B Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 EnglishBengal said.. [quote]With all the draft talk and mocks so far, Darnell Bing and Ko Simpson have featured heavily as 1st round safety possiblities. But if it came to the crunch at 24 and both were available, and the Bengals wanted a safety, who would you pick? Personally, I'd go for Ko Simpson because he's better in coverage and is more durable. Bing is always playing banged up, so I'd prefer not to draft him.[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akiliMVP Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 I like both players, but Ko gets the edge because he has excellent coverage skills, and is also a very good tackler. Ko also fits more with the Bengals' defensive scheme, and has a kick ass nickname: K.O. Bing is very physical, strong and has a ton of athletic ability, and I would be very pleased to have him as a Bengal next year. We need someone like Bing roaming the secondary that makes receivers think twice before going over the middle. I personally think that Simpson will be taken before we pick, and would not be surprised or disappointed to hear Bing's name called when we pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BadassBengal Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 I like Ko. he's physical and extremely athletic. He reminds me alot of Madieu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBallerson Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 K.O. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnglishBengal Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 As I said earlier KO is the man! However, if you look at the draft picks before 24. KO could get drafted from anywhere from Dallas all the way down to New England. That means he could easily go anywhere in the 5 picks proceeding the Bengals. My guess would be the Chargers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kochman Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 K.O. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BadassBengal Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 [quote name='EnglishBengal' post='218287' date='Feb 14 2006, 04:54 PM']As I said earlier KO is the man! However, if you look at the draft picks before 24. KO could get drafted from anywhere from Dallas all the way down to New England. That means he could easily go anywhere in the 5 picks proceeding the Bengals. My guess would be the Chargers.[/quote] Yea, they need alot of help in the secondary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWretchedMass Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 I hate to piss on the KO parade but a lot of you seem to have it wrong about him. Again, from what I've read about KO is that he IS NOT a good tackler. Instead of wrapping up, he'll go for the legs and will whiff. Ko is also not very physical. So he's not physical and not a good tackler. Shows how much research you guys do on these players and also the reason most of you don't understand that Gabe Watson is fat, lazy tub of SHIT who had a horrible season. Evidence of my claims about KO. 1. [url="http://condraft.com/player.php?id=2208"]http://condraft.com/player.php?id=2208[/url] 2. [url="http://www.nfldraftforecast.com/Profiles/kosimpson.shtml"]http://www.nfldraftforecast.com/Profiles/kosimpson.shtml[/url] I'd rather have Bing, his run support is #1 and Marvin can teach Bing to cover. Odell was not supposed to be able to drop into coverage and got 5 Ints this season. The BIG problem with Darnell will be his wonderlic score. It may be in the SINGLE digits. Chris Henry had a wonderlic score in the single digits. (6 to be exact) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BadassBengal Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 [quote name='TheWretchedMass' post='218338' date='Feb 14 2006, 06:00 PM']I hate to piss on the KO parade but a lot of you seem to have it wrong about him. Again, from what I've read about KO is that he IS NOT a good tackler. Instead of wrapping up, he'll go for the legs and will whiff. Ko is also not very physical. So he's not physical and not a good tackler. Shows how much research you guys do on these players and also the reason most of you don't understand that Gabe Watson is fat, lazy tub of SHIT who had a horrible season. Evidence of my claims about KO. 1. [url="http://condraft.com/player.php?id=2208"]http://condraft.com/player.php?id=2208[/url] 2. [url="http://www.nfldraftforecast.com/Profiles/kosimpson.shtml"]http://www.nfldraftforecast.com/Profiles/kosimpson.shtml[/url] I'd rather have Bing, his run support is #1 and Marvin can teach Bing to cover. Odell was not supposed to be able to drop into coverage and got 5 Ints this season. The BIG problem with Darnell will be his wonderlic score. It may be in the SINGLE digits. Chris Henry had a wonderlic score in the single digits. (6 to be exact)[/quote] Odell had 4 of those ints off of tipped passes. Coverage isn't somthing we were hoping he'd be amazing at anyways. Our SS has to be able to cover immediately. You say that Simpson isn't physical? He isn't a good tackler? [url="http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/s/kosimpson.html"]http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingr.../kosimpson.html[/url] Um...it KINDA says that he's physical and a good tackler. PLUS he's a ballhawk. Sorry, but... you're wrong. You're the fuy who says that we don't need to draft a DT, and that TE is our top need. Just shut up. Also, here's Bing's scouting report: [url="http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/s/darnellbing.html"]http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingr...arnellbing.html[/url] Not very natural in coverage? Goes for the big hit rather than the secure tackle? Too aggressive and overpursues? Are you sure that this isn't Ohalete? If you think that we could just "teach" this guy to cover, then why haven't we done it with Ife or Anthony Mitchell, or whoever? If we could just "teach" someone to cover, then the saftey I'd like to have is Greg Blue, cause the dude can hit like a mack truck. Bottom line, you're wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akiliMVP Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 [quote name='BadassBengal' post='218369' date='Feb 14 2006, 06:29 PM'][quote name='TheWretchedMass' post='218338' date='Feb 14 2006, 06:00 PM'] I hate to piss on the KO parade but a lot of you seem to have it wrong about him. Again, from what I've read about KO is that he IS NOT a good tackler. Instead of wrapping up, he'll go for the legs and will whiff. Ko is also not very physical. So he's not physical and not a good tackler. Shows how much research you guys do on these players and also the reason most of you don't understand that Gabe Watson is fat, lazy tub of SHIT who had a horrible season. Evidence of my claims about KO. 1. [url="http://condraft.com/player.php?id=2208"]http://condraft.com/player.php?id=2208[/url] 2. [url="http://www.nfldraftforecast.com/Profiles/kosimpson.shtml"]http://www.nfldraftforecast.com/Profiles/kosimpson.shtml[/url] I'd rather have Bing, his run support is #1 and Marvin can teach Bing to cover. Odell was not supposed to be able to drop into coverage and got 5 Ints this season. The BIG problem with Darnell will be his wonderlic score. It may be in the SINGLE digits. Chris Henry had a wonderlic score in the single digits. (6 to be exact)[/quote] Odell had 4 of those ints off of tipped passes. Coverage isn't somthing we were hoping he'd be amazing at anyways. Our SS has to be able to cover immediately. You say that Simpson isn't physical? He isn't a good tackler? [url="http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/s/kosimpson.html"]http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingr.../kosimpson.html[/url] Um...it KINDA says that he's physical and a good tackler. PLUS he's a ballhawk. Sorry, but... you're wrong. You're the fuy who says that we don't need to draft a DT, and that TE is our top need. Just shut up. Also, here's Bing's scouting report: [url="http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/s/darnellbing.html"]http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingr...arnellbing.html[/url] Not very natural in coverage? Goes for the big hit rather than the secure tackle? Too aggressive and overpursues? Are you sure that this isn't Ohalete? If you think that we could just "teach" this guy to cover, then why haven't we done it with Ife or Anthony Mitchell, or whoever? If we could just "teach" someone to cover, then the saftey I'd like to have is Greg Blue, cause the dude can hit like a mack truck. Bottom line, you're wrong. [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBallerson Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 Well you need to do some more research because these sites have Simpson taken before we pick: [url="http://walterfootball.com/draft2006.php"]http://walterfootball.com/draft2006.php[/url] [url="http://www.draftking.com/nfl/2006/mockdraft.shtml"]http://www.draftking.com/nfl/2006/mockdraft.shtml[/url] [url="http://www.draftace.com/draft2006/mockdraftroundone.htm"]http://www.draftace.com/draft2006/mockdraftroundone.htm[/url] [url="http://draftseason.com/index2.php?Page_Name=LupagusMock"]http://draftseason.com/index2.php?Page_Name=LupagusMock[/url] [url="http://www.phinfever.com/phinfever_NFLdraft_mock.html"]http://www.phinfever.com/phinfever_NFLdraft_mock.html[/url] [url="http://www.condraft.com/mock.php?r=1"]http://www.condraft.com/mock.php?r=1[/url] (Solid INT and tackle numbers...") [url="http://www.nflanswers.com/article.php?story=2006020514181965"]http://www.nflanswers.com/article.php?story=2006020514181965[/url] [url="http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sub/mockdraft.html"]http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sub/mockdraft.html[/url] ("Physical and a good tackler") [url="http://www.nfldraftnews.org/"]http://www.nfldraftnews.org/[/url] ("Tackling machine") [url="http://www.nfldraftforecast.com/Mock/2006/round1.shtml"]http://www.nfldraftforecast.com/Mock/2006/round1.shtml[/url] “Very strong against the run, solid tackler†[url="http://www.draftace.com/profiles/2006/ko_simpson.htm"]http://www.draftace.com/profiles/2006/ko_simpson.htm[/url] “Is equally effective as a ballhawk in coverage and in supporting the run...Physical and a good tackler†[url="http://www.phinfever.com/phinfever_NFLdraft_2006evaluations.html"]http://www.phinfever.com/phinfever_NFLdraf...valuations.html[/url] Did you know that he lead SC in tackles his Senior year? Impressive for not being physical. I think the one part of his game that is going to be a factor come draft day is his speed. So what the fuck does this mean? Absolutely nothing because you have no idea either. It's a crap shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBZ Posted February 15, 2006 Report Share Posted February 15, 2006 I think Bing could be better...But I just have a gut feeling that he's going to get hurt...again and again. Simpson seems like a solid package...But I'm not sure that he isn't overhyped right now. (Although only by a margin of 10 picks or so) BZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Dan_Bengals_FL- Posted February 15, 2006 Report Share Posted February 15, 2006 It is a tough call. Ko is probably a more complete player at the moment and I would probably go with him. It is a lot easier to teach tackling mechanics than coverage ability, but I don't think Bing is all that horrible. I also still like Blue, while many have soured on him, I do believe he could make it as an NFL safety. Also, I think on a winning franchise TWM, Watson will be a great fit and play motivated. In my opinion a potential total loss for a losing franchise, Watson could be great for a team with motivated players and a great coach. I would still pick him, he is a physical freak of nature and good coaches more than anything should be able to motivate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalsCat Posted February 15, 2006 Report Share Posted February 15, 2006 I think KO will be gone by the time we pick so Bing will be the guy we pick up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBallerson Posted February 15, 2006 Report Share Posted February 15, 2006 That's what I'm thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BadassBengal Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 [quote name='Dan_Bengals_NJ' post='218712' date='Feb 15 2006, 10:24 AM']It is a tough call. Ko is probably a more complete player at the moment and I would probably go with him. It is a lot easier to teach tackling mechanics than coverage ability, but I don't think Bing is all that horrible. I also still like Blue, while many have soured on him, I do believe he could make it as an NFL safety. Also, I think on a winning franchise TWM, Watson will be a great fit and play motivated. In my opinion a potential total loss for a losing franchise, Watson could be great for a team with motivated players and a great coach. I would still pick him, he is a physical freak of nature and good coaches more than anything should be able to motivate.[/quote] I still like Greg Blue, too, now. He has the ability to be something special. I thought when people said he was an in the box type safety, that he was a slower, harder hitting type. But the dude runs a 4.4 and is said to have quick feet and fluid hips. I think we should give him a chance in the 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Dan_Bengals_FL- Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 In my ideal world we are able to get Watson in the first and then Blue in the second. I would be extremely happy with those two pick ups. I have watched a lot of footage on Blue, one of the players I am most familar with in this draft and think he can get it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBZ Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 [quote name='BadassBengal' post='218945' date='Feb 15 2006, 07:53 PM']I still like Greg Blue, too, now. He has the ability to be something special. I thought when people said he was an in the box type safety, that he was a slower, harder hitting type. But the dude runs a 4.4 and is said to have quick feet and fluid hips. I think we should give him a chance in the 2nd.[/quote] I agree...I think the only real problem with Blue is that he was 'over-pushed' as a first rounder earlier on. He's still very tough and athletic...And I don't see why his package of skills doesn't keep him solidly in the second round. BZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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