Besides Vincent Jackson..

[Chris Henrys Dealer]

I'm trying to remember who had great combines last year that vaulted them up the draft and how they performed. VIncent Jackson out of Northern Colorado was probably the most hyped. He had 3 catches last season. Although he was injured for part of it.

Darren Sproles had an awesome combine that got him drafted and he saw limited action. But given his size, it was still an impressive achievement he got in.

Anyone remember any other dudes who had great combines last year that moved them up a couple of rounds?

[Guest Bengal_Smoov]

[quote name='Chris Henrys Dealer' post='224656' date='Mar 1 2006, 11:30 AM']I'm trying to remember who had great combines last year that vaulted them up the draft and how they performed. VIncent Jackson out of Northern Colorado was probably the most hyped. He had 3 catches last season. Although he was injured for part of it.

Darren Sproles had an awesome combine that got him drafted and he saw limited action. But given his size, it was still an impressive achievement he got in.

Anyone remember any other dudes who had great combines last year that moved them up a couple of rounds?[/quote]

Fabian Washington ran a fast 40 and went in the first round to the Raiders, he wasn't projected to go in the first round before the combine. He started 11 games and recorded 43 tackles and 5 passes defended last year.

[Chris Henrys Dealer]

Nice one Smoov. Thanks.

Anyone remember if our own Henry's numbers were off the charts? Without the character issues, was he a bonafide first rounder or mid second?

[HarDRhymR]

Matt Jones.

[DanvilleBengal]

[quote name='HarDRhymR' post='224684' date='Mar 1 2006, 12:21 PM']Matt Jones.[/quote]
The poster child, and he didn't do too bad in his first year. He seemed to turn it up in teh second half of the season.

[Jungle1]

Pat Kirwan (NFL.com) had an article last year about explosive players at the combine. He used a combination of bench press, vertical jump, and I believe 40 or shuttle time. There were about 10-15 on the list, Pollack was one of them.

[Jungle1]

[url="http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/8322692"]http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/8322692[/url] (Notice San Diego got the top two guys.....)

(March 24, 2005) -- The numbers are starting to pile up from the NFL Scouting Combine results, Pro Days and the private workouts, so it is understandable if you are starting to get the idea that the NFL draft process is paralysis by analysis. That's not completely the case, since the grading of game tapes is still the most critical issue in scouting draftees, but a lot can be predicted by studying the measurable numbers that are being compiled.

Previously I discussed comparing the 40-yard dash times to the 20-yard short shuttle times so that there was a better understanding of quickness and change of direction vs. straight-line speed. Now I want to dive into another athletic dimension that has relevance, especially to defensive coaches: explosion and power. As one very successful defensive coordinator in the NFL said the other day on my Sirius Radio show, "We are always looking for explosive athletes who can deliver a blow, be great tacklers and meet force with greater force."

It is amazing what can be done with athletes that have rare measurables in this area if they are also good football players. Some test results are best when the number is low, like the 40-yard dash, the 20-yard short shuttle and the three-cone drill. There are other tests when the result is higher the score is better and those tests can tell us lots about explosiveness and power. The vertical leap, standing broad jump and the bench press are measurables where more is better.

I don't like to isolate one test score because it is too limited, but an overall score can tell us something about the athlete. One way I filter through all the eligible draft picks is to find the players that have a combined result of 70 or higher when I combine the vertical leap, standing broad jump and bench press test. As an illustration, if an athlete had a 40-inch vertical leap, a 10-foot standing broad jump and 20 reps on the 225-pound bench press test, he would have a combined score of 70. Those who know something about jumping, leaping and throwing weight around can see that 70 is an excellent combined score.

There is no reason to look to the results of athletes who do not have a high draft grade because, for the most part, they have already indicated they aren't good enough football players on the field. After filtering them out, I went looking for those prospects with a good playing grade and a score over 70.

I then filter out the weight-room guys who have 40 reps on the bench and an 18-inch vertical and a 7-foot broad jump. There's a place for a strong guy in a weight room, but he's not the guy most defensive coaches is looking for. Along the same line of thinking, a basketball-type player with a 42-inch vertical leap and an 11-foot broad jump but just nine reps on the bench also falls out -- he can't deliver a blow when he gets there. There's a place for the guy with springs in his legs, but he's not complete either.

Here are the defensive players with very good football grades who also got to the magic number of 70 used to sort out the best of the best in the area of explosive/powerful athletes. These guys can get there and bring it.


NAME SCHOOL POS. VERTICAL LEAP BROAD JUMP BENCH PRESS TOTAL
Luis Castillo Northwestern DT 34½ 10-foot-10 32 77
Shawne Merriman Maryland DE/LB 40 10-foot-1 25 75
Demarcus Ware Troy State DE/LB 38½ 10-foot-2 27 75
Derek Wake Penn State LB 45½ 10-foot-10 20 75
Darryl Blackstock Virginia Tech LB 39 10-foot-6 25 74
David Pollack Georgia DE/LB 37 10-foot 25 72
Bryant McFadden Florida State CB 38½ 10-foot-10 23 72
Justin Tuck Notre Dame DE/LB 38½ 9-foot-10 24 72
Fabian Washington Nebraska CB 41½ 10-foot-9 18 70


NOTE: A few defensive athletes have not completed their testing and I will update this list a week before the draft. The results are rounded off.

As you can see, a score of 70 or better is tough to get, but if a team factors in explosiveness, then this can be very important to them. Derek Ware from Penn State doesn't have the playing grade that Merriman, Pollack or Blackstock have, but he may be worth a higher draft pick than originally anticipated because he can explode and move like a guy many defensive coaches are looking for.


Derek Wake's combined power numbers should turn some heads.
There are a number of athletes who just missed the 70 mark that warrant mention, including several defensive backs: Barrett Rudd, LB, Nebraska (69); Justin Miller, CB, Clemson (67); Kevin Burnett, LB, Tennessee (67); Carlos Rogers, CB, Auburn (66); Dominique Foxworth, CB, Maryland (65).

Finally, it is important for the personnel people to pay attention to what type of players the coaches are looking and it is important for the coaches to pay attention to the type of athletes the scouts have found. There should be no arguments when a good defensive football player comes back with a score of 70-plus on my grading sheet. I used to send the coaches a list of all the former draft picks around the NFL who had a score of 70 or higher and that usually got their attention.

[Cricket]

Good find, Jungle1. I remember reading that article last year and determining that in addition to Pollack, the Bengals drafted a second player with a total of 70 in Kirwan's "explosive" rating...and I think he would have passed Kirwan's filtering process.


6'7", 337-lb OT, Adam Kieft (28 bench; 33" vert.; 9'2" long jump).

337 lbs and a 33" vertical...just Wow!

[BTW, Odell's vert. was 34"]

[Cricket]

[quote name='Chris Henrys Dealer' post='224669' date='Mar 1 2006, 11:53 AM']Anyone remember if our own Henry's numbers were off the charts?[/quote]

Chris Henry:
4.42 sec 40 yd;
1.64 sec 10 yd;
4.31 sec short shuttle;
11.26 long shuttle;
36" vert.

[url="http://www.900footballlinks.net/bengalsframe.htm"]http://www.900footballlinks.net/bengalsframe.htm[/url]

[HarDRhymR]

Good stuff.

[Guest Bengal_Smoov]

Oh yeah CHD, I forgot the most obivious one DeMarcus Ware.

Ware was a relatively unknown commodity before the combine, after the combine was a sure first round pick.

I still remember seeing his one-on-one drills against an o-lineman, seeing a 235-240 lb bull rush a 300 lbs tackle into the qb was amazing. At the combine Ware showed exceptional strength and quickness, that along with his on the field production made the Cowboys pick him with their first first round pick, they had two first round picks last year.

[akiliMVP]

I think Matt Jones, Ronnie Brown, Troy Williamson, Demarcus Ware, and Shawn Merriman were helped the most by last years combine.

[Guest fredtoast]

Some kid named Gocong from a div II school in California was one of the top performers among the DEs in the speed and agility tests. He just made himself a ton of money.

CB/S Jason Allen, who had dropped off of most draft charts because he dislocated his hip in October, ran a 4.4 forty and had some of the best pereformances in the jumps and agility drills. He is now back to being a projected first rounder like he was before his injury.

The LB Anderson from Alabama put up some impressive numbers.

Bunkley's 44 reps on the bench moved him up not only into the first round, but probably into the top twenty picks.

*EDIT* Oops I misread the first post. I thought that you were talking about this years combine.