Guest Master Shake Posted June 29, 2006 Report Share Posted June 29, 2006 [quote name='dieselman44' post='288634' date='Jun 29 2006, 12:28 PM']I stand by my words in this thread. Milton is still not worth the money or even half the money he is making. Since he has pitched like shit his last two starts are we going to here that he is "hurt" now? I like his quote after the Mets game where he said the call on the pitch before Wright's first jack cost him the game. You suck Eric.[/quote] x2 ... bengalrick is making his bed w/ the wrong pitcher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengalrick Posted June 29, 2006 Report Share Posted June 29, 2006 people have bad days... sometimes even two in a row hell, he even pitched well in those two starts... he has had bad innings... i'm still extremely happy about having him as my number 3 and as far as him getting paid too much... if i was writing the checks, then i wouldn't be happy about it.... however, since i am not, what he gets paid is meaningless to me... he is a fine pitcher... he will hit another hot streak in the near future, and will make some of you guys eat your words... and if he doesn't, i will be eating mine... but i doubt that happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengalrick Posted June 29, 2006 Report Share Posted June 29, 2006 to continue my point that you guys need to give him a break, he got beat by the white sox (51-26) and the new york mets (47-30)... not exactly two teams that suck balls... you guys may be digging yourselves further in the "i dispise eric milton" trap you are putting in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oldschooler Posted June 29, 2006 Report Share Posted June 29, 2006 [quote name='bengalrick' post='288658' date='Jun 29 2006, 12:03 PM']people have bad days... sometimes even two in a row [b]hell, he even pitched well in those two starts... he has had bad innings[/b]... i'm still extremely happy about having him as my number 3 and as far as him getting paid too much... if i was writing the checks, then i wouldn't be happy about it.... however, since i am not, what he gets paid is meaningless to me... he is a fine pitcher... he will hit another hot streak in the near future, and will make some of you guys eat your words... and if he doesn't, i will be eating mine... but i doubt that happens [/quote] Ummm he pitched 4.1 innings against the Mets and gave up 6 earned runs. Then he pitched 5.1 innings against the Royals and gave up 6 earned runs. He didn`t pitch enough innings to even get a win in either game... but has done enough that he deserved 2 losses... although he was only credited with one loss. [b]Mets game[/b] [url="http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/wrap.jsp?ymd=20060622&content_id=1517997&vkey=wrapup2005&fext=.jsp&team=away"]http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/...=.jsp&team=away[/url] [b]Royals game[/b] [url="http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/wrap.jsp?ymd=20060627&content_id=1526474&vkey=wrapup2005&fext=.jsp&team=home"]http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/...=.jsp&team=home[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Dan_Bengals_FL- Posted June 29, 2006 Report Share Posted June 29, 2006 If the Reds can find any suitors they should trade his ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Master Shake Posted June 29, 2006 Report Share Posted June 29, 2006 [quote name='bengalrick' post='288658' date='Jun 29 2006, 01:03 PM']and as far as him getting paid too much... if i was writing the checks, then i wouldn't be happy about it.... however, since i am not, what he gets paid is meaningless to me...[/quote] It shouldn't be meaningless to you, because it's not like Castinelli would just pocket the money he saved if he was able to get out from under Milton's deal. IMO we could probably sign 2 guys just as effective as Milton for the same price as Milton alone. When you're a small market team, what a guy gets paid matters a lot. That's why Larkin, Casey, Graves, and for most of the time Griffey, have hamstrung us so bad. If we were the Yankees, we could afford to keep paying Milton millions and hope he regains his form of 2-3 years ago, but we're not, and we can't, so the Reds should seriously look at any opportunity to get out from under that deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengalrick Posted June 29, 2006 Report Share Posted June 29, 2006 [quote name='oldschooler' post='288665' date='Jun 29 2006, 01:14 PM']Ummm he pitched 4.1 innings against the Mets and gave up 6 earned runs. Then he pitched 5.1 innings against the Royals and gave up 6 earned runs. He didn`t pitch enough innings to even get a win in either game... but has done enough that he deserved 2 losses... although he was only credited with one loss. [b]Mets game[/b] [url="http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/wrap.jsp?ymd=20060622&content_id=1517997&vkey=wrapup2005&fext=.jsp&team=away"]http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/...=.jsp&team=away[/url] [b]Royals game[/b] [url="http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/wrap.jsp?ymd=20060627&content_id=1526474&vkey=wrapup2005&fext=.jsp&team=home"]http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/...=.jsp&team=home[/url][/quote] [url="http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/wrap.jsp?ymd=20060620&content_id=1515465&vkey=wrapup2005&fext=.jsp&team=home"]mark mulder[/url] gave up 10 RUNS against the white sox!!!! holy shit, maybe they should trade him too... [url="http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/wrap.jsp?ymd=20060623&content_id=1520237&vkey=wrapup2005&fext=.jsp&team=home"]andy petite[/url] gave up gave up 6 runs in 4 innings... holy shit, he needs to traded w/ the quickness!!! both against the white sox btw i am simply saying, you guys are jumping the gun... i hope it bites you in the ass... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengalrick Posted June 29, 2006 Report Share Posted June 29, 2006 [quote name='Master Shake' post='288711' date='Jun 29 2006, 02:29 PM']It shouldn't be meaningless to you, because it's not like Castinelli would just pocket the money he saved if he was able to get out from under Milton's deal. IMO we could probably sign 2 guys just as effective as Milton for the same price as Milton alone. When you're a small market team, what a guy gets paid matters a lot. That's why Larkin, Casey, Graves, and for most of the time Griffey, have hamstrung us so bad. If we were the Yankees, we could afford to keep paying Milton millions and hope he regains his form of 2-3 years ago, but we're not, and we can't, so the Reds should seriously look at any opportunity to get out from under that deal.[/quote] this isn't the old days... we have a smart owner now... he realizes that if we win, people will show up... so he better put a good team on the field... [url="http://www.daytondailynews.com/sports/content/sports/reds/daily/062906redsownerweb.html"]click here[/url] [i]GM Krivsky, manager Narron receive contract extensions By Hal McCoy Staff Writer CINCINNATI | For the first time since the days of The Big Red Machine, it appears that ownership, front office and field management are not only on the same page, they are in the same sentence. For a long time, fans wondered if the Cincinnati Reds were all in the same library. The first real sign of solid cohesiveness surfaced Wednesday when new owner Bob Castellini extended the contracts of general manager Wayne Krivsky through 2008 and extended the contract of manager Jerry Narron for two years through 2008. The significance is that while Krivsky was hand-picked and hired by Castellini, Narron is a holdover from the previous regime. But Narron impressed both Castellini and Krivsky enough to merit an extension and heaping portions of praise. Now it is up to the team to continue to cling to the coat-tails of the St. Louis Cardinals in the National League Central and help could be on the way from ownership at the July 31 trade deadline. [size=3][b]If they stay close, they will be buyers, not sellers.[/b][/size] [b]"We made that commitment early, when we bought the team  if we were contenders," said Castellini. "And it sure looks as if we're contenders. We know we have to improve in certain areas."[/b] Krivsky, who was named General Manager of the Year for the first half in the latest issue of Sports Illustrated, said he works the phones daily, looking to improve the bullpen and starting pitching. [b]"We want to make the team better," said Krivsky. "Sometimes if you improve the defense, you help the pitching. Sometimes if you improve the offense, you help the pitching. It is so hard to make a trade because it takes two teams that have a match.[/b] "So many teams are looking for the same things it makes it harder," he added. "So many teams have beat-up bullpens or they want to upgrade their starting rotation. That will make it a little harder." The Narron-Krivsky combination clicked the first time Krivsky called Narron, even before Krivsky won the job, while he was still being interviewed. "We had three or four phone calls before I got the job, but from the first call I thought, 'This is a guy I can work with,' and all I had to do was get the job. We agreed on about everything and I thought, 'We're both right or we're both wrong and we both might go down together.' " Said Narron, "I had never met him, but out of all the candidates interviewed for the job, Wayne was the only one who called me and that told me a great deal that he would call and ask me if I would talk to him about things. And I did," said Narron. "It has been a good start, but they don't give awards after 76 games," said Krivsky, who engineered trades for pitcher Bronson Arroyo, second baseman Brandon Phillips and catcher David Ross, all major contributors, for virtually nothing. "I'm not going to lose my aggressiveness now. Just being here four months and having my option picked up is very humbling." To Narron, too. "The biggest thing is the confidence the organization is showing in Wayne and me," Narron said. "I know how baseball works and when you are a manager and a new owner and GM comes in, you don't know where you stand. You know they want their own people. So this means a lot to me. We're all working in the right direction with the same ideas to get where we want to be. "We all have a passion for baseball, all of us love it, all of us want the Cincinnati Reds to be successful," Narron added. "I say that and you think, 'That's the way it is everywhere,' but it's not that way. There are a lot of managers and GMs who don't see eye-to-eye on how to get things done. From Day One, Wayne has been outstanding." Why now? [b]"Success breed success," said Castellini. "With Jerry's performance and Wayne's performance, we're taking the opportunity to show our appreciation. Continuity is what this is all about. We wanted to show Wayne and Jerry in actions as well as words how proud we are of them."[/b] As far as extending Narron's contract, Castellini said, "He has the confidence of his players, the confidence of his GM and my confidence. Castellini said he made the determination two weeks ago, when the team won eight straight, "And we were on a high. We're still on a high, 1 1/2 games out. That's pretty good. We're a team that was picked last by everybody. That's very good. We're proud of it."[/i] _____________________________ contracts are not as big of a deal as they used to be w/ the old ownership (thank god)... we will trade him if we are losing (or he starts sucking constistantly) or we will keep him AND pick up more bullpin or lineup help... so yeah, i don't really care how much he makes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieselman44 Posted June 29, 2006 Report Share Posted June 29, 2006 bengalrick its far stretched to compare one outing of mulder and petite to one of eric milton. the two games im looking at are the last two, mets and royals anyway. what makes me upset is everyone knows that you can give up some flyballs in shea stadium and not get hurt becuase its a big ballpark, so you would think milton should pitch well there. And then your team gives you a 5-1 lead against the fucking royals and you cant hold it, thats mostly what im pissed about. Even your #3 should hold leads like that. on a side note i consider the lizard our #3 right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengalrick Posted June 29, 2006 Report Share Posted June 29, 2006 [quote name='dieselman44' post='288746' date='Jun 29 2006, 03:23 PM']bengalrick its far stretched to compare one outing of mulder and petite to one of eric milton. the two games im looking at are the last two, mets and royals anyway. what makes me upset is everyone knows that you can give up some flyballs in shea stadium and not get hurt becuase its a big ballpark, so you would think milton should pitch well there. And then your team gives you a 5-1 lead against the fucking royals and you cant hold it, thats mostly what im pissed about. Even your #3 should hold leads like that. on a side note i consider the lizard our #3 right now.[/quote] those were those two guys last games too... mark mulders last 3 starts have equaled = 10.1 innings, 19 runs... i love the lizard too... he's a great number 3/4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oldschooler Posted June 30, 2006 Report Share Posted June 30, 2006 [quote name='bengalrick' post='288713' date='Jun 29 2006, 01:31 PM'][url="http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/wrap.jsp?ymd=20060620&content_id=1515465&vkey=wrapup2005&fext=.jsp&team=home"]mark mulder[/url] gave up 10 RUNS against the white sox!!!! holy shit, maybe they should trade him too... [url="http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/wrap.jsp?ymd=20060623&content_id=1520237&vkey=wrapup2005&fext=.jsp&team=home"]andy petite[/url] gave up gave up 6 runs in 4 innings... holy shit, he needs to traded w/ the quickness!!! both against the white sox btw i am simply saying, you guys are jumping the gun... i hope it bites you in the ass...[/quote] Jumping the gun ? The difference between those pitchers and Milton is that Milton has sucked for the past few years. Out of his last 79 starts... he has given up 96 HOMERUNS !!!! He gave up 43HR`s in 34 starts for the Phillies and has given up 53 HR`s in 45 starts for the Reds. [url="http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/stats/individual_stats_player.jsp?c_id=cin&playerID=132980"]http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/...playerID=132980[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengalrick Posted June 30, 2006 Report Share Posted June 30, 2006 [quote name='oldschooler' post='288894' date='Jun 29 2006, 08:16 PM']Jumping the gun ? The difference between those pitchers and Milton is that Milton has sucked for the past few years. Out of his last 79 starts... he has given up 96 HOMERUNS !!!! He gave up 43HR`s in 34 starts for the Phillies and has given up 53 HR`s in 45 starts for the Reds. [url="http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/stats/individual_stats_player.jsp?c_id=cin&playerID=132980"]http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/...playerID=132980[/url][/quote] he's had 1 bad year (jury is still out this year) out of 7... there was one year he was injured in there, but for the most part, milton has been a good pitcher... will usually give you 200+ innings (which w/ this bullpin, is HUGE)... so far, he is on pace to get 160 - 170 right now, but he was hurt earlier in the year so that could jump... if we can get 200 innings out of him, that would be key... i don't care about HR's... they are annoying, but what matters are innings pitched and runs given up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTA513 Posted June 30, 2006 Report Share Posted June 30, 2006 Reds should let him walk once his contract is up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonBlade Posted June 30, 2006 Report Share Posted June 30, 2006 Let him walk? He should pay to leave the shit he's been chucking. I've all the confidence in Milton I did in Danny Graves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 didn't watch the game didn't even look at the scoreboard so I'm taking a educated gamble and say that Uncle Milty sucked once again? actually did read where he gave up a triple while oldschooler was typing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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