Guest bengalrick Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 [quote name='Lawman' post='353984' date='Sep 29 2006, 10:41 AM']As you know, some (Detainee's) have been released...... ..... and gone on to commit other terrorist acts.[/quote] b/c we didn't have a way to try them conviently, secretly, yet fairly... kind of like why we're making this bill, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 [size=3][quote name='bengalrick' post='353981' date='Sep 29 2006, 10:33 AM']i have no problem w/ water boarding[/quote][/size] [center][img]http://hereswhatsleft.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/water_torture.png[/img] [b][size=7]W.W.J.D. [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/39.gif[/img][/size] [/b] [/center] [size=3][quote name='bengalrick' post='353981' date='Sep 29 2006, 10:33 AM']foreign prisoners don't deserve the same rights as americans...[/quote][/size] [b]Human rights .... and due process are HUMAN RIGHTS .... that should be granted to all people[/b] [center][img]http://img.slate.com/media/1/123125/123087/2111940/2118216/2119121/2119723/water_boarding.gif[/img] [color="#CC0000"][size=6][i]"God bless America"[/i][/size][/color][/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 [center][img]http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y95/armyyouhave/blogview/foxistorture.jpg[/img] [b][size=4]... as Orwell rolls in his grave [/size] [/b] [/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 [center][b] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/37.gif[/img] [img]http://www.truthout.org/imgs.art_01/3.021506-AG7.jpg[/img] Hey just think ... now that we can yank out teeth one by one .... I wonder when we will start pulling out fingernails [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/39.gif[/img][/b][/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 [center][size=4][img]http://www.truthout.org/imgs.art_01/3.021506-AG2.jpg[/img] [b]GI Dipshit:[/b] [i]"You like this liberation .... do you"[/i][/size][/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 [center][b][img]http://www.truthout.org/imgs.art_01/3.021506-AG12.jpg[/img] [color="#000099"][size=5]= Stands and salutes the U.S. Flag [/size] [/color] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/30.gif[/img] [/b] [/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest ONYX Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 But BJ, we are torturing them over there so we dont have to torture them over here !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lawman Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 [quote name='BlackJesus' post='354007' date='Sep 29 2006, 11:19 AM'][center][size=4][img]http://www.truthout.org/imgs.art_01/3.021506-AG2.jpg[/img] [b]GI Dipshit:[/b] [i]"You like this liberation .... do you"[/i][/size][/center][/quote] Current Residence: Leavenworth Federal Prison, Kansas Inmate #5832901 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawman Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 [quote][b]Human rights .... and due process are HUMAN RIGHTS .... that should be granted to all people[/b][/quote] Agree, Please past these sentiments on to those that wish us harm and hopefully our captured soldiers will receive the same treatment, but I highly doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 [quote][img]http://www.truthout.org/imgs.art_01/3.021506-AG2.jpg[/img][/quote] [b][size=3]Current Residence of who ok'ed the policy: 1900 Pennsylvania Ave , Washington D.C. Commander and Chief[/size][/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawman Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 [quote name='BlackJesus' post='354031' date='Sep 29 2006, 11:50 AM'][b][size=3]Current Residence of who ok'ed the policy: 1900 Pennsylvania Ave , Washington D.C. Commander and Chief[/size][/b][/quote] Bullshit, but still Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawman Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 [quote name='Lawman' post='353984' date='Sep 29 2006, 10:41 AM']As you know, some (Detainee's) have been released...... ..... and gone on to commit other terrorist acts.[/quote] [url="http://ebird.afis.mil/ebfiles/e20060929458997.html"]http://ebird.afis.mil/ebfiles/e20060929458997.html[/url] Detainees Sent Home After Plea To Bush Two Kuwaiti detainees at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, went home this month after a personal plea from the emir of Kuwait to President Bush, an attorney said Thursday. Sheik Sabah Al Ahmed Al Sabah, the newly installed ruler of the Persian Gulf oil nation, asked Bush for return of all six of his nationals just after Labor Day during an official visit to Washington, said attorney David Cynamon. On Sept. 14, the Pentagon announced release of two of the men -- Omar Rajab Amin, 31, and Abdullah Kamel al Kundari, 32, both fathers who had been held at the remote U.S. Navy base in southeast Cuba since soon after their capture in Afghanistan in early 2002. In a telephone conference call with reporters, Cynamon credited ''discussions between the emir of Kuwait and President Bush that took place after Labor Day in Washington'' for the pair's release. --CAROL ROSENBERG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 [quote]Human rights .... and due process are HUMAN RIGHTS .... that should be granted to all people[/quote] Amen, also Lawman the tit for tat argument is a bit troublesome to me, the idea that they do it which might give us any slightest right to do anything that might be considered torture is a slippery slope that can at times lead us to Abuh-Graib incidents. The "killing machine" types need to be weeded out and not even allowed in to the military to begin with. Now am I so naive to believe that those types can always be prevented? No, but at the same time training needs to be very much stressed in this area so that the average grunt understands that. Now this doesn’t mean that during battle I expect them to play the "careful killing" clause, no when the heat is on men react in ways unimaginable to those who have never been in battle, myself included. But what it does mean is that when their lives are not in immediate danger, that discretion should be the better part of valor. We don’t and never should be treating any of these enemies like Nick Berg. Now all that said, I would like to understand those who believe Abuh-Graib to be the norm, and not the exception, and I would like to see good reason for that belief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer_Rice Posted September 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 [quote]why do you keep spreading these lies?[/quote] Cuz I'm a bad, bad, man... or... Cuz I know my stuff. It's a pick 'em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengalrick Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 [quote name='Jamie_B' post='354057' date='Sep 29 2006, 12:44 PM']Amen, also Lawman the tit for tat argument is a bit troublesome to me, the idea that they do it which might give us any slightest right to do anything that might be considered torture is a slippery slope that can at times lead us to Abuh-Graib incidents. The "killing machine" types need to be weeded out and not even allowed in to the military to begin with. Now am I so naive to believe that those types can always be prevented? No, but at the same time training needs to be very much stressed in this area so that the average grunt understands that. Now this doesn’t mean that during battle I expect them to play the "careful killing" clause, no when the heat is on men react in ways unimaginable to those who have never been in battle, myself included. But what it does mean is that when their lives are not in immediate danger, that discretion should be the better part of valor. We don’t and never should be treating any of these enemies like Nick Berg. Now all that said, I would like to understand those who believe Abuh-Graib to be the norm, and not the exception, and I would like to see good reason for that belief.[/quote] great post jamie!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengalrick Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 [quote name='Homer_Rice' post='354059' date='Sep 29 2006, 12:45 PM']Cuz I'm a bad, bad, man... or... Cuz I know my stuff. It's a pick 'em. [/quote] i'll go w/ option C: "full of shit and paranoid" i know you know your stuff, but i also believe that you are not seeing that what you are scared of, is plainly written out... i don't understand the problem w/ defining the law... i would say that the real problems come when we try to interpret the law... you talk about using the fear of terror for election reasons (which considering 9.11, is a realistic fear) yet you use fear to say we are going to be a police state... and your justifications can be easily rebutted... why don't you prove me wrong, instead of ignoring it and saying you know your stuff... thats great, and i agree you do, but i see better than i hear why am i wrong? if i am, i will admit it... i don't want to be terrorized by my gov't, if that is what i am up against... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Homer_Rice Posted September 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 [quote name='bengalrick' post='354069' date='Sep 29 2006, 12:54 PM']i'll go w/ option C: "full of shit and paranoid"[/quote] Um. As to the former, I confess--at least once a day, more if I eat heavy during holidays. For the latter, I'll just thank you for the diagnosis, Dr. Psychobabble. [quote]i know you know your stuff, but i also believe that you are not seeing that what you are scared of, is plainly written out... i don't understand the problem w/ defining the law... i would say that the real problems come when we try to interpret the law...[/quote] I know what frightens me, br. What bothers me is that you are too inexperienced to know what ought to frighten you. [quote]you talk about using the fear of terror for election reasons (which considering 9.11, is a realistic fear) yet you use fear to say we are going to be a police state... and your justifications can be easily rebutted... why don't you prove me wrong, instead of ignoring it and saying you know your stuff... thats great, and i agree you do, [b]but i see better than i hear[/b] why am i wrong? if i am, i will admit it... i don't want to be terrorized by my gov't, if that is what i am up against...[/quote] Seeing and hearing are slightly overrated. Thinking is preferable to both. But I'm not your guru, so there's no easy way out for you. I'm a firm believer in the "lead a horse to water" pedagogy. I've done my job. So, if you really care, then you'll have to do the work. How many books have you read this week? Should be approximately one per week, every week, for the rest of your life. More if you can. What? You don't have the time! It's all about priority. (Of course, there is always the possibility that I get more reading done than most, simply because I am so full of shit and therefore have a fine location for post-graduate studies.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengalrick Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 why always the big kick on reading homer? i read... i get engaged on here constantly... you are speaking to the choir... if you want to spread the fact that more people need to get and stay engaged w/ the world around them, there are about 1000 other people on this board that deserves that lecture... i don't... i may be biased myself, but i hear plenty of dissenting opinions, and those opinions have changed some of my views and helped me... again homer, i have read the articles you posted... did my own research and debunked them... you have not proven your point yet man... i am not saying that you are wrong, but as of now, that is how i see it... please explain how this is allowing rumsfeld to torture whoever he wants? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer_Rice Posted September 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 [quote name='bengalrick' post='354124' date='Sep 29 2006, 01:38 PM']why always the big kick on reading homer? i read... i get engaged on here constantly... you are speaking to the choir... if you want to spread the fact that more people need to get and stay engaged w/ the world around them, there are about 1000 other people on this board that deserves that lecture... i don't... i may be biased myself, but i hear plenty of dissenting opinions, and those opinions have changed some of my views and helped me... again homer, i have read the articles you posted... did my own research and debunked them... you have not proven your point yet man... i am not saying that you are wrong, but as of now, that is how i see it... please explain how this is allowing rumsfeld to torture whoever he wants?[/quote] De-bunk is in de-bedroom. De-torture, like de-devil, is in de-details. Oh, and I suppose that de-toilet paper is our poor, increasing tattered Constitution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengalrick Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 [quote name='Homer_Rice' post='354132' date='Sep 29 2006, 01:45 PM']De-bunk is in de-bedroom. De-torture, like de-devil, is in de-details. Oh, and I suppose that de-toilet paper is our poor, increasing tattered Constitution.[/quote] OK..... i think you have finally brought me to the light..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer_Rice Posted September 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 [quote name='bengalrick' post='354149' date='Sep 29 2006, 01:51 PM'] OK..... i think you have finally brought me to the light.....[/quote] Cool! The score now is: Whale: 1 Mudskipper: 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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