-GoBengals- Posted April 20, 2008 Report Share Posted April 20, 2008 ive been working on a huge project, i use firefox, so im always testing out the pages, etc.. i open it in IE and its not even close. some things are centered where they shuldnt be (as i may center a box, but not the text in the box) firefox and safari are on point, ie is confused as hell... and its pretty simple stuff.. im not smart enough to do something sooo complex its wrong.. like a simple table of images.. it ads borders and spaces around shit... god damn i hate internet explorer... i even tried IE8 beta.. and its WORSE.. if thats even possible.. wtf? how can such a horrible product have so much power? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer_Rice Posted April 20, 2008 Report Share Posted April 20, 2008 [quote name='GoBengals' post='654284' date='Apr 20 2008, 12:55 AM']ive been working on a huge project, i use firefox, so im always testing out the pages, etc.. i open it in IE and its not even close. some things are centered where they shuldnt be (as i may center a box, but not the text in the box) firefox and safari are on point, ie is confused as hell... and its pretty simple stuff.. im not smart enough to do something sooo complex its wrong.. like a simple table of images.. it ads borders and spaces around shit... god damn i hate internet explorer... i even tried IE8 beta.. and its WORSE.. if thats even possible.. wtf? how can such a horrible product have so much power?[/quote] Different browsers interpret differently. IE is notorious for being quirky this way. One way to minimize this behavior, and to get cross-browser uniformity, is to use a CSS framework (or roll your own.) There's YUI, Blueprint, and others to choose from. The key is to reset attributes so that when you do your CSS, browsers interpret them (mostly) in the same way. Google "Eric Meyer reset" to get an idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatScratchFever Posted April 20, 2008 Report Share Posted April 20, 2008 IE8 is supposed to have a mode you can select so that it conforms to the standards that everyone else uses. Can't remember what it is. I'll look it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatScratchFever Posted April 20, 2008 Report Share Posted April 20, 2008 [url="http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080303-sanity-prevails-ie8-will-default-to-standard-compliant-mode.html"]http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080...liant-mode.html[/url] [url="http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/ie8-super-standards-mode.ars"]http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/ie8...ndards-mode.ars[/url] Here's the one with really useful info: [url="http://arstechnica.com/journals/microsoft.ars/2008/03/10/dear-computerworld-theres-a-reason-why-ie8-breaks-the-web"]http://arstechnica.com/journals/microsoft....-breaks-the-web[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-GoBengals- Posted April 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 [quote name='CatScratchFever' post='654346' date='Apr 20 2008, 11:03 AM']IE8 is supposed to have a mode you can select so that it conforms to the standards that everyone else uses. Can't remember what it is. I'll look it up.[/quote] why wouldnt it do that anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer_Rice Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 All browsers fall short of the W3C standards set for interpreting the latest iteration of html/xhtml, etc... The problem people have with Microsoft is that they often try to use their clout to set their own standard, rather than move towards the one set by the consortium. Try different browsers with the Acid3 test. The announcement by Microsoft a few weeks ago about IE8 and standards compliance is actually a case where Microsoft is doing the right thing. In any case, from a development POV, using a reset in your CSS goes a long way towards ensuring a uniform view of your site, no matter which browser hits it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatScratchFever Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 [quote name='GoBengals' post='654442' date='Apr 20 2008, 08:11 PM']why wouldnt it do that anyway?[/quote] cuz M$ is God-like and all others should fall in lock-step with whatever they do. To hell with anyone telling them how a browser should work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-GoBengals- Posted April 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 [quote name='CatScratchFever' post='654512' date='Apr 21 2008, 10:02 AM']cuz M$ is God-like and all others should fall in lock-step with whatever they do. To hell with anyone telling them how a browser should work.[/quote] odd strategy... "yea, see, we'll make websites look horrible see, people will love our browser if sites look horrible in it" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 Embrace ... Extend...Extinguish Resisitance is futile (althought they have gotten extreamly better over the years in reguards to complying with standards) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Lucid| Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 [quote name='GoBengals' post='654861' date='Apr 22 2008, 12:36 AM']odd strategy... "yea, see, we'll make websites look horrible see, people will love our browser if sites look horrible in it" [/quote] They did the same thing with Java until Sun sued them over it...... The strategy is to make everyone have to use their dev tools because everyone wil have IE.. and most people won't have the gumption or know how to get a different browser. There is some reason to their madness, even if it's a sick and twisted one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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