Guest Bengals1181 Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 Let me try this again. It won't be as detailed as the one I just made that the site deleted... Rd. 1 Jesse Mahelona, DT, Tennesee [url="http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/dt/jessemahelona.html"]http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingr...semahelona.html[/url] Rd. 2 Pat Watkins, Safety, Florida State [url="http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/s/patwatkins.html"]http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingr...patwatkins.html[/url] Rd. 3 Tim Day, TE, Oregon [url="http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/te/timday.html"]http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingr.../te/timday.html[/url] Rd. 4 Victor Adeyanju, DE, Indiana Height: 6-4 | Weight: 275 | 40-Time: 4.61 Rd. 5 Devin Hester, CB, Miami Height: 5-11 | Weight: 185 | 40-Time: 4.29 Can play CB, WR, and return punts and kicks. Rd. 6 Lequalan McDonald, OG, Baylor Height: 6-5 | Weight: 340 | 40-Time: n/a Adds more depth. Has the size to play tackle (not sure if he has the talent) and if he can make the switch, it leaves the door open still to see Stacey Andrews on the field at DT. Rd. 7 Kent Smith, QB, Central Michigan [url="http://cmuchippewas.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/smith_kent00.html"]http://cmuchippewas.collegesports.com/spor...ith_kent00.html[/url] or Rd. 7 Paul Walkenhorst, LB (move to DE), BYU Height: 6-6 | Weight: 266 | 40-Time: 4.55 He's a project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bengals1181 Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 man, no love (or hate) for my mock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akiliMVP Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 1. Mahelona is not a first round pick, he's a second rounder at best 2. Pat Watkins is the twelth best safety in the draft, I hope one of the better ones are still available in the second round. 3. Like it 4. Why not 5. Hester is a third rounder, his speed and athletic ability are just too amazing for anyone to pass up. 6. Sure 7. Yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bengals1181 Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 [quote name='akiliMVP' post='204670' date='Jan 16 2006, 10:47 AM']1. Mahelona is not a first round pick, he's a second rounder at best 2. Pat Watkins is the twelth best safety in the draft, I hope one of the better ones are still available in the second round. 3. Like it 4. Why not 5. Hester is a third rounder, his speed and athletic ability are just too amazing for anyone to pass up. 6. Sure 7. Yep[/quote] I still think Hester's lack of a position will hurt him. My 4 and 5 could flip easily though. And I disagree on Mahelona. Quite a few sites have rated him as the best DT in the draft. As for Watkins, he's listed twelwth on the site I posted, but he's rated higher on many other sites. I like his size speed and athleticism. He also comes from a very good defense that knows how to get the job done (like Pollack and Thurman). He'd be a great complement to Madieu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest #22 Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 what 11 safeties are better than Pat Watkins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 [quote name='#22' post='204805' date='Jan 16 2006, 04:25 PM']what 11 safeties are better than Pat Watkins?[/quote] According to NFLDraftCountdown.com: Mike Huff Darnell Bing Ko Simpson Jason Allen Roman Harper Bernard Pollard Greg Blue Donte Whitner Daniel Bullocks Anthony Smith Dwayne Slay then Pat Watkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawman Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 [quote name='#22' post='204805' date='Jan 16 2006, 04:25 PM']what 11 safeties are better than Pat Watkins?[/quote] Per NFL DraftCountdown.com Huff, Bing, Simpson, Allen, Harper, Pollard, Blue, Whitner, Bullocks, Smith, Slay then WATKINS Is this draft deep or what Pat Watkins: Height: 6-4 | Weight: 200 | 40-Time: 4.50 Strengths: Has tremendous size with long arms and the frame to add more weight...Is a very good athlete...Mobile and has excellent range to make plays sideline-to-sideline...Smart and a leader on the field...Great leaper who knows how to go up and get the ball...Will support the run...Still has some upside and potential. Weaknesses: [u]Must hit the weight room and get stronger...Needs to bulk up...Not overly physical or explosive despite his size...Inconsistent...Struggles a bit and gets turned in man coverage...Has some minor durability concerns...A bit of an underachiever who didn't always play up to his ability...Only two years of starting experience. [/u] Notes: Top recruit coming out of high school...[color="#000099"]Could be chosen earlier than he should based on workouts[/color]...[u]From a physical standpoint he would seem to have all the tools you look for and is exactly what the pros are looking for in a safety today. [/u] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest #22 Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 I like scout.com really well, and football.com. Also, cbssportsline.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Whodey420 Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 No way in hell that Devin Hester lasts until the 5th round.....Someone who is raw but still has experience at WR and CB let alone can be a special teams beast as a returner with 4.29 speed last until the 5th round......If we were able to get him in the 5th round I'd be estatic but no way it happens.....He's gone by no later than the bottom of the 2nd round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bengals1181 Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 [quote name='Whodey420' post='204829' date='Jan 16 2006, 05:15 PM']No way in hell that Devin Hester lasts until the 5th round.....Someone who is raw but still has experience at WR and CB let alone can be a special teams beast as a returner with 4.29 speed last until the 5th round......If we were able to get him in the 5th round I'd be estatic but no way it happens.....He's gone by no later than the bottom of the 2nd round.[/quote] yea in hindsight, you're probably right. My 4 and 5 can flip as I'm sure not many know about the kid from Indiana. As for Pat Watkins, if his biggest knock is that he has to hit the weight room, that's pretty impressive to me. Can you imagine a 6'4 SS back there with Madieu?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natifanatic Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 This draft would give me a fucking woody! The Mahelona pick is slightly disturbing, but I've always loved Watkins and Day. And if we got Hester, then we wouldn't have to use Ratliff for punt returns! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bengals1181 Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 [quote name='natifanatic' post='205112' date='Jan 17 2006, 02:32 AM']This draft would give me a fucking woody! The Mahelona pick is slightly disturbing, but I've always loved Watkins and Day. And if we got Hester, then we wouldn't have to use Ratliff for punt returns![/quote] Why is the Mahelona pick disturbing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanvilleBengal Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 [quote name='Bengals1181' post='205233' date='Jan 17 2006, 11:38 AM'][quote name='natifanatic' post='205112' date='Jan 17 2006, 02:32 AM'] This draft would give me a fucking woody! The Mahelona pick is slightly disturbing, but I've always loved Watkins and Day. And if we got Hester, then we wouldn't have to use Ratliff for punt returns![/quote] Why is the Mahelona pick disturbing? [/quote] I think fanatic sees another JT in Malehona and doens't want to take him in the first round. Any way, I think that Marvin is going to take more than one safety this draft. Remeber the rumor that came out after the playoff game that said that most of the secondary was possibly going to be cut??? Well if that happens, we need to start building depth. If this draft is as deep in safeties as everyone says it is, then pick up two. One to start, and one to backup and develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bengals1181 Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 [quote name='DanvilleBengal' post='205265' date='Jan 17 2006, 12:49 PM'][quote name='Bengals1181' post='205233' date='Jan 17 2006, 11:38 AM'] [quote name='natifanatic' post='205112' date='Jan 17 2006, 02:32 AM'] This draft would give me a fucking woody! The Mahelona pick is slightly disturbing, but I've always loved Watkins and Day. And if we got Hester, then we wouldn't have to use Ratliff for punt returns![/quote] Why is the Mahelona pick disturbing? [/quote] I think fanatic sees another JT in Malehona and doens't want to take him in the first round. Any way, I think that Marvin is going to take more than one safety this draft. Remeber the rumor that came out after the playoff game that said that most of the secondary was possibly going to be cut??? Well if that happens, we need to start building depth. If this draft is as deep in safeties as everyone says it is, then pick up two. One to start, and one to backup and develop. [/quote] I don't know that we take two safeties, but I definately think we take a safety AND a CB. I think Marvin knows taht Tory has lost a step and I don't know that he has confidence in Keiwan (I know I don't) Kewian just lacks size and speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Master Shake Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 [quote name='Bengals1181' post='205268' date='Jan 17 2006, 01:08 PM']I don't know that we take two safeties, but I definately think we take a safety AND a CB. I think Marvin knows taht Tory has lost a step and I don't know that he has confidence in Keiwan (I know I don't) Kewian just lacks size and speed.[/quote] Man, that just made me wonder what's up with Greg Brooks? He's almost as much an unknown as Askew...does he have the potential to eventually be starter material? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnglishBengal Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 [quote name='Master Shake' post='205282' date='Jan 17 2006, 01:29 PM'][quote name='Bengals1181' post='205268' date='Jan 17 2006, 01:08 PM'] I don't know that we take two safeties, but I definately think we take a safety AND a CB. I think Marvin knows taht Tory has lost a step and I don't know that he has confidence in Keiwan (I know I don't) Kewian just lacks size and speed.[/quote] Man, that just made me wonder what's up with Greg Brooks? He's almost as much an unknown as Askew...does he have the potential to eventually be starter material? [/quote] Greg Brooks will be atleast a solid backup for the Bengals for the next few years, if not a starter. He's really good in press coverage and was one of the best deep cover corners to come out of the 2004 draft. He can tackle aswell. Just needs to bulk up slightly - only weighs 177lbs. He's also a solid player on special teams. Give this guy a shot and I think he'll perform. I know he had amissed tackle in the KC game but put it down to inexperience and actually playing CB for the first time in a regular season game. He actually played quite well in the KC game and covered well. He's pretty quick, alot faster than Ratliff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaltonGreen Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 i wish devin hester would drop that far hahah maybe if he gets in trouble or sumin...i personally like pat watkins but i think he will be there in #3 and i wouldnt get that DT at #1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fredtoast Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 Mahelona was projected as a first rounder BEFORE the '05 season. In '04 he had a monster year leading the SEC in tackles for loss (18.5) and adding 5 sacks. His numbers really dropped of in '05 with only 2 sacks and 8 TFL. He was still the starting tackle on the nations #2 rush defense in '05, but I'd say he has dropped down to second round status. Some "experts" have him going in the third. I'd be thrilled shitless to get him with our second round pick, but not our #1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bengals1181 Posted January 29, 2006 Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 My Mock revisited (I'm expecting a DT in free agency): Rd. 1 Darnell Bing/Ko Simpson/Donte Whitner (or huff in the unlikely chance he is around) pick up any of them if they are still on the board. All will be solid safeties. [img]http://www.nflsmackdown.com/images/bing.jpg[/img] [img]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/2005/08/16/gallery.sec/simpson.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.rivalfanatics.com/images/galleries/whitner_donte/whitner_donte01_main.jpg[/img] Rd. 2 Cedric Griffin, S/CB, Texas Height: 6-2 | Weight: 193 | 40-Time: 4.52 [img]http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/051216/051216_griffin_hmed_9p.hmedium.jpg[/img] [url="http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/cb/cedricgriffin.html"]http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingr...ricgriffin.html[/url] His stock is really rising. I was high on him before, and then he had an outstanding Senior Bowl yesterday. Can play safety, and CB. Marvin's kind of guy. Rd. 3 [b](assuming someone makes KW an offer)[/b]Dominque Byrd, TE, USC Height: 6-3 | Weight: 260 | 40-Time: 4.85 [img]http://www.dallasnews.com/img/photo/01-05/usc7.jpg[/img] [url="http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/te/dominiquebyrd.html"]http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingr...iniquebyrd.html[/url] Had a great Senior Bowl. Will slip because of the depth at TE. Deceptive speed. Rd. 3 Dusty Dvoracek, DT, Oklahoma Height: 6-3 | Weight: 298 | 40-Time: 4.94 [url="http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/27/273941.jpg"]http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/27/273941.jpg[/url] [url="http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/dt/dustydvoracek.html"]http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingr...tydvoracek.html[/url] Not as builky as some of us want, but has very good speed and burst. Has a pollack-like motor and work ethic. Minor off-the-field issues (that can be solved with maturity and Marvin's guidance) will cause him to drop, which is how Marvin likes them. Had a solid Senior Bowl. Rd. 4 Willie Reid, WR/RB/PR/KR, Florida State Height: 5-10 | Weight: 186 | 40-Time: n/a [img]http://www.fsu.com/media/2005/10/07/week_01.jpg[/img] "Among the most valuable Seminole players who is effective in every position he is asked to play...extremely versatile player who has seen time at wide receiver, tailback and as a returner during his career...enters the 2005 season as one of Florida State's starting wide receivers...a durable performer who has played in 34 games during the first three years of his career...has played in three bowl games during his career - the Sugar in 2003, the Orange in 2004 and the Gator in 2005...enters his senior season with 1,397 all-purpose yards during his career...named the top offensive newcomer as well as the most improved running back during spring practice in 2002 by the coaching staff. " Would be a solid punt returner. Can also provide depth at RB/WR and can play special teams in general. Rd. 5 Anthony Montgomery, DT, Minnesota Height: 6-5 | Weight: 305 | 40-Time: n/a [url="http://www.gophersports.com/PhotoArchive/2003-2004/mfball_tulsa/images/Montgomery%20Anthony%20058.jpg"]http://www.gophersports.com/PhotoArchive/2...thony%20058.jpg[/url] [url="http://www.gophersports.com/sports/player.asp?player_id=1819&sport_id=mfball"]http://www.gophersports.com/sports/player....sport_id=mfball[/url] Has good size for a DT, a classic 2 gapper that can draw the double team, and beat it. May not make it out of the 4th round however. Rd. 6 Mark Anderson, DE, Alabama Height: 6-5 | Weight: 253 | 40-Time: 4.80 [img]http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/sports/050905/tide1A.jpg[/img] [url="http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/de/markanderson.html"]http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingr...rkanderson.html[/url] Honestly don't know too much about him, but he impressed me during the Senior Bowl. Rd. 7 Paul Walkenhorst, LB (move to DE), BYU Height: 6-6 | Weight: 266 | 40-Time: 4.55 [img]http://starbulletin.com/2001/09/09/sports/arta.jpg[/img] [url="http://www.byucougars.com/football/profiles/00000000961_ftb.html"]http://www.byucougars.com/football/profile...000961_ftb.html[/url] Has very good speed for his size. He's practice squad material to see what he can do as a DE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fredtoast Posted January 29, 2006 Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 [quote name='Jason' post='204814' date='Jan 16 2006, 04:51 PM'][quote name='#22' post='204805' date='Jan 16 2006, 04:25 PM'] what 11 safeties are better than Pat Watkins?[/quote] According to NFLDraftCountdown.com: Mike Huff Darnell Bing Ko Simpson Jason Allen Roman Harper Bernard Pollard Greg Blue Donte Whitner Daniel Bullocks Anthony Smith Dwayne Slay then Pat Watkins [/quote] Those must be pre-season ratings. Jason Allen is coming off of a dislocated hip. He may not even get drafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 29, 2006 Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 [quote]Rd. 1 Darnell Bing/Ko Simpson/[b]Donte Whitner[/b] (or huff in the unlikely chance he is around)[/quote] Whitner in 1? And you think I'm the reason everyone calls Buckeye fans homers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bengals1181 Posted January 29, 2006 Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 [quote name='Jason' post='210350' date='Jan 29 2006, 11:51 AM'][quote]Rd. 1 Darnell Bing/Ko Simpson/[b]Donte Whitner[/b] (or huff in the unlikely chance he is around)[/quote] Whitner in 1? And you think I'm the reason everyone calls Buckeye fans homers? [/quote] If Huff, Bing and Simpson are gone, then Whitner is the next best safety available. None of the DT's other than maybe Wroten are worth a first round pick. Besides, as I stated in the very first line of the mock, this was assuming we get a starting DT in free agency, eliminating it as a first round need. It was either take Whitner in the 1st or Griffin, and Whitner is a better prospect. Don't get pissy and be a jackoff just cuz you're a dumbass that called out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 29, 2006 Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 [quote name='Bengals1181' post='210356' date='Jan 29 2006, 12:13 PM'][quote name='Jason' post='210350' date='Jan 29 2006, 11:51 AM'] [quote]Rd. 1 Darnell Bing/Ko Simpson/[b]Donte Whitner[/b] (or huff in the unlikely chance he is around)[/quote] Whitner in 1? And you think I'm the reason everyone calls Buckeye fans homers? [/quote] If Huff, Bing and Simpson are gone, then Whitner is the next best safety available. None of the DT's other than maybe Wroten are worth a first round pick. Besides, as I stated in the very first line of the mock, this was assuming we get a starting DT in free agency, eliminating it as a first round need. It was either take Whitner in the 1st or Griffin, and Whitner is a better prospect. Don't get pissy and be a jackoff just cuz you're a dumbass that called out. [/quote] Then take Pope or trade down. I think you're over reacting just a little. Wells is a good prospect and I posted an article in a thread about prospects. Granted, he's a couple years away from being an NFL prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bengals1181 Posted January 29, 2006 Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 [quote name='Jason' date='Jan 29 2006, 05:02 PM' post='210441'] [quote name='Bengals1181' post='210356' date='Jan 29 2006, 12:13 PM'] Then take Pope or trade down. I think you're over reacting just a little. Wells is a good prospect and I posted an article in a thread about prospects. Granted, he's a couple years away from being an NFL prospect. [/quote] Marvin has never been afraid to take a player higher than he is projected. I don't see that changing now. And I just can't see us taking a TE in round 1 when we can get a very good one in Round 3. As for Chris Wells, maybe that made sense in your own little homeristic world. The man has to take a college snap before he can be considered a "can't miss" NFL prospect (not to mention the thread was about 2006 draft prospects). Answer me this, if Chris Wells hadn't committed to OSU, would you have still posted that article? Would you even know who he was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BirdmanND Posted January 29, 2006 Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 [quote name='fredtoast' post='210349' date='Jan 29 2006, 11:46 AM'][quote name='Jason' post='204814' date='Jan 16 2006, 04:51 PM'] [quote name='#22' post='204805' date='Jan 16 2006, 04:25 PM'] what 11 safeties are better than Pat Watkins?[/quote] According to NFLDraftCountdown.com: Mike Huff Darnell Bing Ko Simpson Jason Allen Roman Harper Bernard Pollard Greg Blue Donte Whitner Daniel Bullocks Anthony Smith Dwayne Slay then Pat Watkins [/quote] Those must be pre-season ratings. Jason Allen is coming off of a dislocated hip. He may not even get drafted. [/quote] No, they are up to date. Allen was going to be a first round pick as a CB before he got hurt, now he is probably a second to third round pick as a CB/S and could be a huge steal. Of course, with injuries you never really know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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