Worldwide Protests Over Muhammad Cartoon Drawings

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[size=6]Protests Over Muhammad Drawings Intensify [/size]
By IBRAHIM BARZAK
Associated Press
Yahoo News
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GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip - Outrage over caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad erupted in a swell of protests across the Muslim world Friday, with demonstrators demanding revenge against Denmark and death for those they accuse of defaming Islam's holiest figure.

In Iraq, the leading Shiite cleric denounced the drawings first published in a Danish newspaper in September, one of which depicted the prophet wearing a turban shaped as a bomb. But the cleric also suggested militant Muslims were partly to blame for distorting the image of Islam.

Some European newspapers reprinted the caricatures this week, prompting protests Friday in Britain, Turkey, Lebanon, Syria, Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia and Palestinian areas. In Sudan, some even urged al-Qaida terrorists to target Denmark.

"Strike, strike, Bin Laden," shouted some in a crowd of about 50,000 who filled a Khartoum square.

The U.S. and British governments criticized publication of the caricatures as offensive to Muslims, raising questions about whether the line between free speech and incitement had been crossed.

The Danish government tried to contain the damage. Foreign Minister Per Stig Moeller called Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas and said the Danish government "cannot accept an assault against Islam," according to Abbas' office.

On Monday, Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen said his government could not apologize on behalf of a newspaper, but that he personally "never would have depicted Muhammad, Jesus or any other religious character in a way that could offend other people."

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Many Muslims consider the Danish government's reaction inadequate.

Clerics in Palestinian areas called in Friday prayers for a boycott of Danish and European goods and the severing of diplomatic ties. Tens of thousands of incensed Muslims marched through Palestinian cities, burning the Danish flag and calling for vengeance.

"Whoever defames our prophet should be executed," said Ismail Hassan, a tailor who marched in the pouring rain with hundreds of other Muslims in the West Bank city of Ramallah. "Bin Laden our beloved, Denmark must be blown up," the protesters chanted.

Foreign diplomats, aid workers and journalists began pulling out of Palestinian areas Thursday because of kidnapping threats against some Europeans.

In Iraq, about 4,500 people protested in the southern city of Basra, burning the Danish flag. Some 600 worshippers stomped on Danish flags before burning them outside Baghdad's Abu Hanifa Mosque, Sunni Islam's holiest shrine in Iraq. Demonstrators also burned Danish journalists in effigy and torched boxes of Danish cheese.

Iraq's leading Shiite cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, condemned the publications as a "horrific action."

But in remarks posted on his Web site, al-Sistani referred to "misguided and oppressive" segments of the Muslim community whose actions "projected a distorted and dark image of the faith of justice, love and brotherhood."

Islamic law, based on clerics' interpretation of the Quran and the sayings of the prophet, forbids any depictions of the Prophet Muhammad, even positive ones, to prevent idolatry.

British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw criticized European media for reprinting the caricatures. While free speech should be respected, Straw said "there is not any obligation to insult or to be gratuitously inflammatory."

The State Department called the drawings "offensive to the beliefs of Muslims" and said the right to freedom of speech must be coupled with press responsibility.

"Inciting religious or ethnic hatred in this manner is not acceptable," State Department press officer Janelle Hironimus said.

In Damascus, Syria, entrances to the Al-Murabit mosque were strewn with Danish, Israeli and American flags so worshippers could trample them as they entered. Banners outside called for a boycott of Danish, European and U.S. products "until Denmark is brought to its knees, regretting this farce of freedom of expression."

Some 1,500 worshippers in Jordan marched in the northeastern city of Zarqa, demanding that Denmark prosecute the cartoonist who drew the caricatures.

Pakistan's parliament unanimously passed a resolution condemning the cartoons as a "vicious, outrageous and provocative campaign."

And in Jakarta, Indonesia, more than 150 Muslims stormed a high-rise building housing the Danish Embassy and tore down and burned the country's flag.

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[Guest BlackJesus]

[color="#006600"][b]an article about reactions in the West from Muslims who understand free speech .....[/b][/color]



[size=4][u][quote]World: Muslims In West React To Muhammad Cartoons
2/4/06
Radio Free Europe[/u] [/size]


PRAGUE, 3 February 2006 (RFE/RL) -- Ghayasuddin Siddiqui is the leader of the Muslim Parliament of Great Britain and the director of the Muslim Institute.

He tells RFE/RL that for Muslims everywhere, the cartoons are offensive. "Muslims love Prophet Muhammad. This is known to everybody. And love is something that people can agree or disagree [upon] but love is blind. This is how they see [it] and they regard this as a no-go area," Siddiqui says. "The true meanings of Islam have nothing to do with all that violence and the crisis over these cartoons are based on this [wrong] impression and it only gives it a stronger meaning."

But he says that Muslims in the West have not taken to the streets because they understand the context in which the cartoons are printed. He says that context is one of secularism and free speech. And that makes reacting to them a more complex issue than if the same cartoons were published in a Muslim country.

“Those of us who live in Europe, we live in a society that has decided to follow secularism as their religion," Siddiqui says. "And we have to recognize and understand how we are going to interact with that environment. Our suggestion is that we should try to open dialogue and debate and build bridges with civil society."

The rector of the Grand Mosque in Paris and head of the French Council of the Muslim Faith, Dalil Boubakeur, also calls the cartoons highly offensive. He told Reuters on 1 February that he feels they stand outside issues of free speech because they misrepresent the truth.

"Freedom of expression -- yes, if you are a journalist you are free to write as long as what you write is fair and true. To say that the Prophet of Islam is a terrorist is not true. You don't have the right to say that the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, whom we venerate every minute and every day, is a prophet who founded a terrorist religion," Boubakeur said.

[u]Symbolic of Misunderstanding[/u]

But some Muslim groups say that even as Muslims object to the cartoons, they should also see them as a measure of how little the West understands Islam and respond by trying to bridge the gap.

Alamir Ahmed Subhy Mansour is the president of the Cairo chapter of the Free Muslims Association, which was founded after the terrorist attacks of 11 September 2001, has most of its members in the United States, and seeks to correct the violent image of Islam created by terrorist groups.

Mansour says Muslims have to consider what kind of thinking led to publishing the cartoons. "We have to be more open-minded," he says. "We have to understand that these cartoons were not intended to be a humiliation [of Muslims] but to air an opinion. Instead of being so angry and so upset about it we have to ask ourselves why they used this picture of the prophet, what did Muslims do wrong, and how to correct this image that the Western people have of Muslims and of the Prophet Muhammad."

He also says that violent reactions by Muslims to the cartoons only reinforces the satirical image they offer of Islam. "Muslims now unfortunately give a bad image of Islam, Muslims in general," Mansour says. "The true meanings of Islam have nothing to do with all that violence and the crisis over these cartoons are based on this [wrong] impression and it only gives it a stronger meaning."

[u]'Not Acceptable'[/u]

Some British Muslims are due to gather for a protest against the cartoons today before the Danish Embassy in London. The British daily "The Guardian" quoted one of the protest organizers, Abu Musa of the At-Tawheed network, as saying, "The minimum we can do is to raise our voice to highlight the issue -- it is not acceptable."

Individual newspapers in most European countries have now reprinted the caricatures originally published in Denmark. Some television stations have also shown glimpses of the cartoons.

Many of the media outlets have justified their reprints by arguing that press freedom is more important than the protests and boycotts they have provoked.[/quote]

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[Guest ONYX]

The irony is....... islam like christianity teaches peace, compassion, and forgiveness.
The problem is far too many who proclaim to be muslim or christian do not practice it.

[Guest BlackJesus]

[color="#663366"][b]seems as if US Newspapers have declined to publish any of the cartoons .... [/b] [/color]


[size=4][u][quote]U.S. Newspapers Decline to Publish 'Muhammad' Cartoons
By Joe Strupp
February 03, 2006 [/u] [/size]

NEW YORK As a collection of controversial cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad circulates online and through some European publications, prompting numerous acts of violence abroad, nearly all U.S. newspapers have chosen not to publish the cartoons.

Although most American papers have covered the issue, with many running Page One stories, most contend the cartoons are too offensive to run, and can be properly reported through descriptions. While some have linked to the images on the Web, others are considering publishing one or more of them next week. Meanwhile, the Philadelphia Inquirer has complained that The Associated Press should at least distribute the images and allow members papers to make the call.

"They wouldn't meet our standards for what we publish in the paper," said Leonard Downie, Jr., executive editor of The Washington Post, which ran a front-page story on the issue Friday, but has not published the cartoons. "We have standards about language, religious sensitivity, racial sensitivity and general good taste."

Downie, who said the images also had not been placed on the Post Web site, compared the decision to similar choices not to run offensive photos of dead bodies or offensive language. "We described them," he said of such images. "Just like in the case of covering the hurricanes in New Orleans or terrorist attacks in Iraq. We will describe horrific scenes."

At USA Today, deputy foreign editor Jim Michaels offered a similar explanation. "At this point, I'm not sure there would be a point to it," he said about publishing the cartoons. "We have described them, but I am not sure running it would advance the story." Although he acknowledged that the cartoons have news value, he said the offensive nature overshadows that.

"It has been made clear that it is offensive," Michaels said when asked if the paper was afraid of sparking violence or other kinds of backlash. "I don't know if fear is the right word. But we came down on the side that we could serve readers well without a depiction that is offensive."

The Los Angeles Times sent this statement to E&P this afternoon: "Our newsroom and op-ed page editors, independently of each other, determined that the caricatures could be deemed offensive to some readers and the there were effective ways to cover the controversy without running the images themselves."

The cartoons, which include one of the Muslim prophet wearing a turban fashioned into a bomb, have been reprinted in papers in Norway, France, Germany and Jordan after first running in a Danish paper last September. The drawings were published again recently after some Muslims decried them as insulting to their prophet, AP reported, adding that Dutch-language newspapers in Belgium and two Italian "right-wing" papers reprinted the drawings Friday.

Islamic law, according to most clerics' interpretations of the Quran, forbids depictions of Muhammad and other major religious figures -- even positive images.

Tens of thousands of angry Muslims marched through Palestinian cities, burning the Danish flag and calling for vengeance Friday against European countries where the caricatures were published. In Washington, the State Department criticized the drawings, calling them "offensive to the beliefs of Muslims."

Still, most American newspapers are not publishing the cartoons, sticking mostly to the view that they constitute offensive images. "You want to make sure that you are sensitive to the cultural sensitivities," said Mike Days, editor of the Philadelphia Daily News, which may run the images next week, but remains cautious. "I think you want to do it in a way that makes sense. I am not so sure the average American understands what the controversy is about, the use of the images of Muhammad."

Days said the paper might run the cartoons along with comments from experts in Muslim law so that the reasons behind the controversy are clear. It appears the New York Sun is the only American daily to run the images, according to The Washington Times.

Several newspapers, such as the Philadelphia Inquirer, have either placed the cartoons on a Web page or linked to a Web site that has them. The Inquirer, which has not run the images in print or on its site, has a Web link to a Belgium news page where the cartoons can be seen.

"We are taking it on a day-by-day basis, depending on the story," said Anne Gordon, Inquirer managing editor. "We have run an image of someone looking at a paper with the cartoon. We feel strongly that if the story takes another turn, we are prepared to publish."

Gordon criticized the Associated Press for not distributing images of the cartoons to member newspapers. Although Gordon understands the concerns about sensitivity, she said AP should allow each paper to make up its own mind.

"It is not AP's role to withhold information from news cooperative members," Gordon said. "They are a co-op and we believe they overstepped their bounds to independently withhold the cartoon. It is not their decision to make independently."

Kathleen Carroll, AP executive editor, said the news cooperative has long withheld images it deemed offensive, such as photos and video of beheadings. "We have a very longstanding policy of not distributing material that is found to be offensive," she said, adding that the Inquirer was the only newspaper she knew of that had specifically requested the images from AP. "These images have not met that standard."

But Carroll also agreed with some other editors who said the cartoons did not add to the news coverage in a major way. "If people want to find them, they are easily found," she said.

Doug Clifton, editor of The Plain Dealer in Cleveland, agreed that the offensive nature precluded running the cartoons. "It has become a part of great angst and I don't see any reason to run it, you can just describe it," he said of the cartoon images. "I don't see a need to insert ourselves in that fight."

Clifton recalled his time at the Charlotte [N.C.] Observer years ago, when the paper ran an image of a controversial piece of artwork, in which a crucifix was placed in a glass of urine. "You knew you would get an outpouring of anger," he recalled. "If I thought there were very good editorial reasons for running it, we'd run it. But I don't think there are."

But Clifton said his paper will likely place a link to the images from another site when it runs an editorial on the issue Saturday or Sunday. "They will have the option to see it if they choose," he said about the Web readers. "The [print] newspaper reaches a much, much broader audience."[/quote]



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[Guest BlackJesus]

[center][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons"]Wikipedia write up on the controversy[/url]

[size=3]and below is a breakdown of the different images which caused the controversy ....[/size]

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[size=3]a zoomed in version of the one that is mentioned as Muhammad wearing a bomb....[/size]

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[|Bunghole|]

[quote name='ONYX' post='213306' date='Feb 4 2006, 12:43 AM']The irony is....... islam like christianity teaches peace, compassion, and forgiveness.
The problem is far too many who proclaim to be muslim or christian do not practice it.[/quote]
BAM!!!!!!!! Talk about hitting the nail on the head.......there are good and bad people in every walk of life and your religious affiliation doesn't really reflect on you .......

[Guest ONYX]

[color="#3333FF"][b]What does the Koran, the holy book of Islam, say on the issue? [/b]

There is no specific, or explicit ban on images of Allah or the Prophet Muhammad - be they carved, painted or drawn.

However, chapter 42, verse 11 of the Koran does say: "[Allah is] the originator of the heavens and the earth... [there is] nothing like a likeness of Him."

This is taken by Muslims to mean that Allah cannot be captured in an image by human hand, such is his beauty and grandeur. To attempt such a thing is seen as an insult to Allah.

The same is believed to apply to Muhammad.

Chapter 21, verses 52-54 of the Koran read: "[Abraham] said to his father and his people: 'What are these images to whose worship you cleave?' They said: 'We found our fathers worshipping them.' He said: 'Certainly you have been, you and your fathers, in manifest error.'"

From this arises the Muslim belief that images can give rise to idolatry - that is to say an image, rather than the divine being it symbolises, can become the object of worship and veneration.

[b]What does Islamic tradition say on the matter? [/b]

Islamic tradition or Hadith, the stories of the words and actions of Muhammad and his Companions, explicitly prohibits images of Allah, Muhammad and all the major prophets of the Christian and Jewish traditions.

More widely, Islamic tradition has discouraged the figurative depiction of living creatures, especially human beings. Islamic art has therefore tended to be abstract or decorative.

[b]Why is the insult so deeply felt by some Muslims? [/b]

Of course, there is the prohibition on images of Muhammad.

But one cartoon, showing the Prophet wearing a turban shaped as a bomb with a burning fuse, extends the caricature of Muslims as terrorists to Muhammad.

In this image, Muslims see a depiction of Islam, its prophet and Muslims in general as terrorists.

This will certainly play into a widespread perception among Muslims across the world that many in the West harbour a hostility towards - or fear of - Islam and Muslims. [/color]

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[Jamie_B]

[quote name='ONYX' post='213306' date='Feb 4 2006, 12:43 AM']The irony is....... islam like christianity teaches peace, compassion, and forgiveness.
The problem is far too many who proclaim to be muslim or christian do not practice it.[/quote]


Onyx, now your [b]MY[/b] hero.

[Guest BlackJesus]

[color="#000099"][b]My Thoughts:

- Now you see why I am an Agnostic .... religion is not only the opium for the masses, it is "[i]retard[/i]ent" for the mind .... and events like this or the fact that NBC can't have a show where a priest is a pill popper is evidence of that

- As for the cartoons I don't personally find them offensive... but then again hardly nothing offends me personally.

- However do I understand why Muslims throughout the world are offended ? Yes. However should a government censor the press from producing such an image ? I don't believe so.

- One of the loopholes in the Danish argument however is the fact that Germany and France have outlawed the usage of Swastikas nationwide.... even for the press. Thus if they banned Swastikas because of their offensive nature.... that leads the Muslim world to question why this doesn't fall into that category. I personally I am in favor of allowing a press to show all of these things or for people to wear them if they want.

- However if I was advising little pussy Denmark and their 14 man military .... I might tell them to realize the bed they are deciding to sleep in and evaluate whether to fight this fight. [/b] [/color]

[Guest ONYX]

[quote name='Jamie_B' post='213316' date='Feb 4 2006, 01:59 AM'][quote name='sneaky' post='213306' date='Feb 4 2006, 12:43 AM']
The irony is....... islam like christianity teaches peace, compassion, and forgiveness.
The problem is far too many who proclaim to be muslim or christian do not practice it.[/quote]


sneaky, now your [b]MY[/b] hero.
[/quote]


stop it, you are making a brotha blush.

[Guest BlackJesus]

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[Guest BlackJesus]

[color="#FF0000"][size=2]It's starting to get exciting now ..... [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/23.gif[/img] [/size] [/color]


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[size=4][u]Embassies torched as cartoon furor grows [/size]
By Rasha Elass
2/4/06
Yahoo News[/u][/size]

DAMASCUS (Reuters) - Furious Syrians set fire to the Danish and Norwegian embassies on Saturday as protests over cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad showed no signs of abating despite calls for calm.

Oil giant Iran, already embroiled in a dispute with the West over its nuclear programme, said it was reviewing trade ties with countries that have published such caricatures.

Chanting "God is Greatest," thousands of protesters stormed the Danish embassy, burned the Danish flag and replaced it with a flag reading "No God but Allah, Mohammad is His Prophet." They set fires which badly damaged the building before being put out.

No one was hurt as the embassy was closed at the time.

Demonstrators also set the Norwegian embassy ablaze. It was brought under control by firefighters.

Police fired teargas to disperse protesters there and also used water hoses to hold back others from storming the French embassy. Scores of riot police were also deployed to protect the U.S. mission.

Denmark and Norway advised their citizens to leave Syria.

Denmark is at the eye of the storm as the cartoons that Muslim demonstrators find offensive, one of the Prophet with a turban resembling a bomb, first appeared in a Danish daily.

A small Norwegian Christian newspaper was one of the first newspaper outside Denmark to publish the cartoons. They have now appeared in papers in Bulgaria, Denmark, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Switzerland, Hungary, New Zealand, Norway, Poland.

Sweden, which shares its Syrian embassy with Denmark and Chile, was also dragged into the Damascus protests. It summoned the Syrian ambassador in Stockholm in protest.

Sweden, Denmark and Norway said the Syrian authorities had not done enough to protect their buildings in the capital.

There was no immediate comment from Syrian officials.


[u][b]IRAN TRADE THREAT[/b][/u]

The row has already had an economic impact with Arab countries boycotting Danish goods, but in a new twist on Saturday, Iran said it had formed a committee to review trade ties with countries that published cartoons deemed to insult the Prophet.

"A committee has been formed to review trade ties," a spokesman for the presidential office said.

From Afghanistan to Lahore, demonstrators rallied on Saturday to condemn the cartoons in what has developed into a face-off between press freedom and religious respect.

Newspapers have insisted on their right to print the cartoons, citing freedom of speech.

But Muslims find depicting the Prophet Mohammad offensive.

European leaders have called for calm, expressing deep concern about the furor that has become a lightning rod for anti-European sentiment in the Islamic world.

A black wreath was laid at the Danish embassy in Ankara. About 1,500 people were outside the Danish embassy in London.

About 100 people protested in the northern Afghan city of Kunduz with some shouting "Death to Denmark," a resident said.

Around 500 students of Islamic seminaries or madrasas protested in the eastern Pakistani city of Lahore, chanting "Down with Denmark" and "Hang the culprits."

Dozens of Palestinian youths tried to storm the office of the European Union in Gaza and pledged to give their "blood to redeem the Prophet."


[b][u]PUBLICATION BARRED, EDITOR ARRESTED [/u] [/b]

In South Africa, a court granted a request by a Muslim group to bar publication of the cartoons.

Jordan's state prosecutor arrested the editor of a tabloid weekly which had published the cartoons. He had already been sacked by publishers of his Shihan weekly for reprinting the turban-bomb cartoon as part of an article headlined "An Islamic Intifada (Uprising) against the Danish insult to Islam."

Despite the number of European newspapers which had used the images, European Justice Commissioner Franco Frattini told La Repubblica it was not for the European Union to apologize.

"No, it's not Europe's duty, nor do I think it is the duty of (Danish) Prime Minister Rasmussen. We don't have the power to apologize in the name of the press. That would be violating the basis of freedom of the press," he said.

Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul of Muslim but secular Turkey, a European Union candidate country, called for calm and for mutual respect between Muslims and non-Muslims.

And a prominent British Muslim expressed outrage at placards carried at a rally outside the Danish embassy on Friday saying "Europe your 9/11 will come."

"I've been calling scores of Muslim groups around the country today to talk about this," Asghar Bukhari of Britain's Muslim Public Affairs Committee said. "Every single one of us is outraged by this bunch of thugs."

In Denmark, a network of moderate Muslims established on Saturday condemned the attack on the Danish embassy and urged restraint.

"It is terrible. This is no longer about the cartoons, the situation is out of control. I cannot take enough exception to it," said Syrian-born Naser Khader, the first immigrant member of the Danish parliament, who initiated the group.[/quote]


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[Lawman]

I guess now is a good time ......

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THE APOSTLE RECEIVES THE ORDER TO FIGHT



The apostle had not been given permission to fight or allowed to shed blood before the second Aqaba [a place where a pledge was made between Muhammad and his followers from Medina]. He had simply been ordered to call men to God and to endure insult and forgive the ignorant. The Quraysh [a leading group of Meccans] had persecuted his followers, seducing some from their religion and exiling others from their country. They had to choose whether to give up their religion, be maltreated at home, or to flee the country, some to Abyssinia, others to Medina.



When Quraysh became insolent towards God and rejected His gracious purpose, accused His prophet of lying, and ill treated and exiled those who served Him and proclaimed His unity, believed in His prophet and held fast to His religion, He gave permission to His apostle to fight and to protect himself against those who wronged them and treated them badly......[a]

The meaning is "I have allowed them to fight only because they have been unjustly treated while their sole offense against men has been that they worship God. When they are in the ascendant they will establish prayer, pay the poor-tax, enjoin kindness, and forbid iniquity, i.e., the prophet and his companions all of them." Then God sent down to him: "Fight them so that there be no more seduction," [b] i.e. until no believer is seduced from his religion. "And the religion is God's,", i.e. Until God alone is worshipped."
Two critical points here:



1) in Mecca, where Muhammad was weak, he attacked no one. He only preached his religion and insulted the Meccan's religions. But it was just prior to his leaving for Medina, where he had a limited amount of armed men to support him, that he received this "revelation" and began to use violence to further his desires. Islamic history shows that as Muslims grew in power their forms of violence changed from criminal terrorism to outright warfare.



2) [color="#990000"] At the end of the quote, it says that Muslims are to fight those who do not worship Allah.[/color]

In Mecca, Muhammad continued to proclaim himself as a prophet and he was abused all the more. He never received any "revelations" to fight at that time.



[color="#330099"] Eventually, good fortune fell into Muhammad's lap and just as in Adolph Hitler's case, his persistence paid off. A group of feuding Arabs in Medina accepted him as their prophet. They hoped he could help them maintain peace. They eventually made a pledge to support Muhammad in war against the Quraysh [Guillaume, op cit, page 205]. Now Muhammad knew he had an able and armed following. It was only when he had a following who could defend themselves, and his people were migrating north to Medina, and that he knew he was going to leave town, that suddenly "Allah" gave Muhammad his "revelation" to fight. Muhammad's circumstances changed, and Muhammad's Allah changed with them. Muhammad went from being only a "warner" to being an aggressor[/color].

[Guest Master Shake]

I guess it's not too suprising since these are the same people who got offended by a milkshake lid.

[Guest BlackJesus]

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[i][size=3]"Uh Bueller ...... Bueller ...... The Islamic World is being set ablaze ..... Anyone ?? Anyone ??? "[/size][/i][/center]



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[size=5]Violence Spreads Over Muhammad Caricatures [/size]
ZEINA KARAM
Associated Press
2//5/06[/u][/size]


BEIRUT, Lebanon - Thousands of Muslims rampaged Sunday in Beirut, setting fire to the Danish Embassy, burning Danish flags and lobbing stones at a Maronite Catholic church as violent protests spread over caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad.

Troops fired bullets into the air and used tear gas and water cannons to push the crowds back after a small group of Islamic extremists tried to break through the security barrier outside the embassy.

Demonstrators attacked policemen with stones and set fire to several fire engines, witnesses said. Black smoke was seen billowing from the area. Security officials said at least 18 people were injured, including policemen, fire fighters and protesters. Witnesses saw at least 10 people taken away by ambulance.

A security official, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the press, said staff at the Danish Embassy had been evacuated two days ago.

The Danish Foreign Ministry urged Danes to leave Lebanon as soon as possible as Danes and Norwegians heeded a similar call in neighboring Syria, where violent protests broke out on Saturday.

"It is a critical situation and it is very serious," Danish Foreign Minister Per Stig Moeller said Sunday on Danish public radio.

Protesters also took to the streets in Afghanistan, the West Bank, Iraq and New Zealand, a day after demonstrators in Syria charged security barriers outside the Danish and Norwegian embassies in Damascus and sent the buildings up in flames.

Those attacks earned widespread condemnation from European nations and the U.S., which accused the Syrian government of backing the protests.

The Danish foreign minister said: "enough is enough."

"Now it has become more than a case about the drawings: Now there are forces that wants a confrontation between our cultures," Moeller said. "It is in no one's interest, neither them or us."

Syria blamed Denmark for the protests, criticizing the Scandinavian nation for refusing to apologize for the caricatures of Islam's holiest figure.

"(Denmark's) government was able to avoid reaching this point ... simply through an apology" as requested by Arab and Muslim diplomats, state-run daily Al-Thawra said in an editorial Sunday.

"It is unjustifiable under any kind of personal freedoms to allow a person or a group to insult the beliefs of millions of Muslims," the paper said.

Anger has broken out across the Muslim world over 12 caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad that were first published in Denmark's Jyllands-Posten in September and reprinted in European media and New Zealand in the past week.

One depicted the prophet wearing a turban shaped as a bomb with a burning fuse. The paper said it had asked cartoonists to draw the pictures because the media was practicing self-censorship when it came to Muslim issues.

The drawings have touched a raw nerve in part because Islamic law is interpreted to forbid any depictions of the Prophet Muhammad for fear they could lead to idolatry.

Denmark's Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen has said he personally disapproves of the caricatures and any attacks on religion — but insisted he cannot apologize on behalf of his country's independent press.

Lebanon's Grand Mufti Mohammed Rashid Kabbani denounced the violence and appealed for calm, accusing infiltrators of sowing the dissent to "harm the stability of Lebanon."

Prime Minister Fuad Saniora also urged peaceful protests.

"Those who are committing these acts have nothing to do with Islam or with Lebanon," he said. "This is absolutely not the way we express our opinions."

In Beirut, protesters came by the busloads to rally outside the Danish Embassy, where they chanted, "There is no god but God, and Muhammad is the messenger of God!" Some 2,000 troops and riot police were deployed.

The trouble threatened to rile sectarian tensions in Beirut when protesters began stoning St. Maroun Church, one of the city's main Maronite Catholic churches, and property in Ashrafieh, a Christian area. Sectarian tension is a sensitive issue in Lebanon, where Muslims and Christian fought a 15-year civil war that ended in 1990.

Lebanon's Justice Minister Charles Rizk, a Christian, urged leaders to help end the violence. "What is the guilt of the citizens of Ashrafieh of caricatures that were published in Denmark? This sabotage should stop," Rizk said on LBC television.

In the Afghan city of Mihtarlam, some 3,000 demonstrators burned a Danish flag and demanded that the editors at the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten be prosecuted for blasphemy, Gov. Sher Mohammed Safi said.

Some 1,000 people tried to march to the offices of the United Nations and other aid groups in Fayzabad. Police fired shots into the air to disperse them, officials said. Nobody was hurt.

Afghan President Hamid Karzai expressed anger over the cartoons but said Danish troops and other citizens should feel safe in his country.

"It's not the responsibility of Danish troops, it's not the responsibility of Danish government, it's the free media. ... We must not hold the troops who are serving in Afghanistan responsible for this," he said Sunday on CNN's "Late Edition."

In the West Bank city of Ramallah, students in uniform — age 13 and even younger — carried protest posters and shouted: "No to offending our prophet."

In Iraq, about 1,000 Sunni Muslims demonstrated outside a mosque in the insurgent stronghold of Ramadi. A giant banner read: "Iraq must end political, diplomatic, cultural and economic relations with the European countries that supported the Danish insult against Prophet Muhammad and all Muslims."

Another 1,000 supporters of radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr rallied in Amarah, denouncing Denmark, Israel and the United States and demanding that Danish and Norwegian diplomats be expelled.

More than 700 Muslims marched through Auckland, New Zealand's largest city, to protest the cartoons' publication in two New Zealand newspapers.

Austria, which holds the rotating EU presidency, condemned the attacks on European embassies: "Such acts can by no means be legitimized and are utterly unacceptable."

German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier pushed for intercultural dialogue.

"We all agree that words and deeds that insult or ridicule other religions or cultures do not contribute to mutual understanding," he said at a security conference in Germany. "Both freedom of the press ... and freedom of religion are great liberties — those who use them must use them with care."[/quote]


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[size=3]There .... Now everybody has a fuse coming out of their head .....[/size]

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[Lawman]

MUHAMMAD'S EARLY TERRORIST ACTS



After moving to Medina, Muhammad began to have conflict with the Jews and pagans in the area. I'll focus on several incidents, not necessarily in chronological order, [u]that illustrate Muhammad as a terrorist[/u].



The first terrorist incident involves Muhammad's command to his followers to "[b]kill any Jew who comes under your power".[/b]


From Guillaume, op cit, page 369:



"The apostle said, "Kill any Jew who falls into your power." Thereupon Muhayyisa b. Masud leapt upon Ibn Sunayna, a Jewish merchant with whom they had social and business relations, and killed him. Huwayyisa was not a Muslim at the time though he was the elder brother. When Muhayyisa killed him Huwayyisa began to beat him, saying, 'You enemy of God, did you kill him when much of the fat on your belly comes from his wealth?' Muhayyisa answered, 'Had the one who ordered me to kill him ordered me to kill you I would have cut your head off.'"



END OF QUOTE





This story is also supported in the Sunan of Abu Dawud, Book 13, Number 2996:



Narrated Muhayyisah: The Apostle of Allah said: If you gain a victory over the men of Jews, kill them. So Muhayyisah jumped over Shubaybah, a man of the Jewish merchants. He had close relations with them. He then killed him. At that time Huwayyisah (brother of Muhayyisah) had not embraced Islam. He was older than Muhayyisah. When he killed him, Huwayyisah beat him and said: O enemy of Allah, I swear by Allah, you have a good deal of fat in your belly from his property.



END OF QUOTE





This murder was committed upon Muhammad's command. Note that this Muslim murderer would have killed a family member at the drop of a hat. Muhammad was no better than a bigoted criminal boss, ordering his men to wantonly murder Jewish people. Hitler did this. And, this is what Serbs are doing to the Kosovan Muslims. Muhammad's command to murder Jews puts him in the same category as Milosovic, Hitler, and others who have persecuted Jews throughout history.



A quote from an Islamic scholar - Wensinck writes in his, "Muhammad and the Jews of Medina" [2], page 113:



"It is remarkable that tradition attributes Muhammad's most cruel acts to divine order, namely the siege of Qaynuqa, the murder of Kab, and he attack upon Qurayzah. Allah's conscience seems to be more elastic than that of his creatures."..... Ibn Ishaq and al-Waqidi report that the prophet said the morning after the murder (of Kab Ashraf), "Kill any Jew you can lay your hands on.".





This incident is also documented in Tabari's History [3], page 97 of volume 7.





[color="#000066"] This shows that Muhammad had unsuspecting people, those who even had good relations with Muslims, murdered in cold blood because they were Jewish. There was no justification to murder these Jews other than they were not Muhammad's followers. These actions were the work of Muhammad's terrorists committing murder.[/color]

[|Bunghole|]

A fucking cartoon.....Jesus....
Now I want to get a gigantic "Bat Signal" spotlight and project the "Muhammed with a bomb on his head" image over the skies of the Middle East....day, after day, after day.....

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[Guest BlackJesus]

[b]Uhh Lawman .....

although I believe that all religions are founded in death and thus agree with your premise .... are you ever going to actually comment on the cartoon issue [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//23.gif[/img] [/b]

[Lawman]

[quote name='BlackJesus' post='213816' date='Feb 5 2006, 02:26 PM'][b]Uhh Lawman .....

although I believe that all religions are founded in death and thus agree with your premise .... are you ever going to actually comment on the cartoon issue [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//23.gif[/img] [/b]


[/quote]

ok, the cartoonist have it right [b]"Muhammad was a Terroist"[/b]

We always here from the talking heads on how radical extremist have kidnapped Islam. These radical extremist are only following what Muhammad did.

Put the shoe on the other foot. Throughout the Mideast, there are Muslims who call America the Great Satan. These Muslims have called for the violent destruction of America. Frequently great crowds have gathered to chant "death to America, death to Reagan, or Bush, or etc.". At times these people have even murdered Americans. Now, if America, or Reagan, or Bush, etc. were to use Muhammad's standards, they would engage in killing quite a few Muslims. They would have used Islamic standards on the Muslims. But we know that the chanting of a crowd of hot-heads does not necessitate the use of violence against them. There are better ways to deal with critics and criticisms. Frequently, in the passion of youth, people do and say things they don't intend to act out, or are not able to carry out. [u]Given time, people can change, and pursue peaceful dialog.[/u] But if one applied Muhammad's standards, American would be justified in bombing Tehran; Israel would be justified in wiping out hundreds of thousands of Arab Muslims.

[Chris Henrys Dealer]

Depictions of Mohammed through history, which did not cause the furore that these did. Were people just unaware? Possibly.


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[size=2][center][quote]A Pakistani religious party, Jamaat-e-Islami, has offered 7,000 Euros to anyone who kills the cartoonist responsible.[/quote][/size]

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[size=3]this guys got some balls here ........ and I would expect him to be blown up anyday now[/size]

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[size=3]if they are rioting now .... wait till they see this guys art [/size] [/color]