Worldwide Protests Over Muhammad Cartoon Drawings

Nati Ice · February 9, 2006

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**|Bunghole|** · February 10, 2006

Maybe the cartoons were insensitive at worst, but the Muslim world's reaction is far beyond reprehensible, and it does them no good in their cause to be understood. They hate us because we don't understand them?
Fine.
We[i] kill [/i] them because we [i]do[/i] understand them and their hateful intentions towards anyone who doesn't believe and/or behave as they do. Fuck them and their religion, I say. To the radical Islamists anyway. They sure are giving the normal, peace-loving Muslims a big black eye.
This is all WAY too much ado about nothing, with cultural clashes where neither side will give an inch. And that's FINE, have protests, dialogue, boycott products from Denmark....just don't be a pussy and throw molotov cocktails and complain when your "brother" is shot to death doing the same....fucking losers from the Stone Age is what many of these fools are....

February 10, 2006

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STRAYCAT · February 10, 2006

Thank god we don't act like them. Funny how they are for peace and the first cartoon comes out they want to burn and blow up shit...peaceful my ass. :lol:

February 10, 2006

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Homer_Rice · February 10, 2006

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Thursday, February 09, 2006
Nigger thought experiment

Both Americans and Europeans seem to be having an difficult time coming to grips with the Danish cartoon controversy. I keep reading that we can't allow the 'Islamofascists' to attack our Western 'enlightenment values' of 'free speech'. The entire issue is regarded as a no-brainer, with the Danes entirely in the right and the violent and irrational Muslims entirely in the wrong. As a conspiracy, it has been a great victory for those promoting a certain view of Muslims and the Middle East.

The conceptual problem lies in the underlying view of Muslims and Arabs in the West. These ideas are very old in Europe, going back to fears of invasion hundreds of years ago (which, in turn, was partly based on guilt regarding the Crusades). In the United States, the anti-Muslim view coincided with the desire to exploit Middle Eastern oil resources. It was necessary to develop a negative view of people living over the oil in order to do the things necessary to take it. Since the beginning of Israeli colonialism with the settler movement, there has been an acceleration of the idea that Muslims and Arabs are violent, irrational creatures, not worthy of being considered as human beings. Of course, all these negative ideas went into turbo-drive after September 11, and now form an essential part of the American - and to a somewhat lesser extent, European - Weltgeist.

If you want to try to cure yourself of the problem and remove the cultural blinders, you have to do a Nigger Thought Experiment. If you prefer, you can do a Kike Thought Experiment. Instead of the Danish cartoons, image a big-lipped, bug-eyed 'nigger' eating a giant watermelon. Or perhaps you'd prefer a cloaked, hook-nosed 'kike' with a giant bag of gold 'jewing' some gentile out of his money? Would you be defending the right of the papers to publish such cartoons based on the 'enlightenment values' of the West? Would you be so proud of your precious 'free speech'?

Needless to say, the argument will be raised that this is 'different'. Well, it's not, and the inability to see that it is not just proves my point. The general unstated (usually) but all-pervasive assumption in the West is that Muslims are sub-human. It's in the air we breathe. It is such an important underlying assumption that people don't even realize that they are making it, leading to the kind of nonsense analysis we are seeing regarding the Danish cartoons. Without this assumption, we would be psychologically unable to treat Muslims the way we do. Here is a small list of some of the things we do to Muslims, without even a hint that there might be some moral issues involved:

1. drop bombs on innocent civilians in a country that posed no harm, and boastfully talk of 'shock and awe';

2. shoot their children in the face as part of an organized program to steal their lands;

3. imprison their wives and daughters as hostages;

4. chop down the olive trees that have supported their families for hundreds of years;

5. threaten more innocent civilians with death in countries like Iran and Syria, countries which again pose no threat;

6. lock up their young men by the hundreds of even thousands after September 11, unconstitutionally and illegally, and quietly release them months later rather than admit it was all a racist program of profiling;

7. fire a tank shell into a group of their children, and call it a 'mistake';

8. set up torture centers to brutalize and humiliate mostly innocent civilians, and continue doing it after photographs of some of the least outrageous acts are shown;

9. drop bombs on apartment buildings on the chance that some political enemy you are illegally targeting might possibly be there;

10. set up food distribution for the poor, tauntingly featuring soup made of pork;

11. surround them with walls to formalize the theft of land from them and make it impossible for them to have a state.

I could go on and on, but you get the idea. The Danish cartoon controversy is just another part of an organized program to cultivate the idea that Muslims are not worthy of bring treated as human beings. We are therefore morally permitted to do the awful thing we do to them. Compared to all the other things we do, making fun of them and their religion is small potatoes.

It seems, as a civilization, that we always need a 'nigger' (or 'sand-nigger', if you prefer the American term, as Americans still need to keep their 'niggers' straight). Muslims are the 'niggers' of our time. Maybe someday we'll pick some other group to be the designated sub-humans. Probably after Greater Israel is created and the oil runs out.

February 10, 2006

what a waste of 2 minutes i just had, reading that...

yeah, thats right, they just compared mohammed (a religious figure) to the whole black racist (a race) and even did it in a very racist way...

the facts are, compare apples to apples... jesus and christianity is made fun of, degraded, said to be evil, about everything that can be done to disrespect the majority of this country... BUT NOBODY IS RIOTING WHEN IT HAPPENS... sure you have some crazy fuckers that bomb abortion clinics, but christians come out against them crazy fuckers...

before 9.11, maybe i could buy into those types of theories, but no way now... even if we do exactly what your saying, bring our troops home, apoligize for all atrocities we ever did, disavow israel and stop recognizing them as a country, and do whatever else you think is necessary, we will still get hit... they hate us... there is nothing we can do to stop that at this point...

this is dangerous thinking, but if there is someone that tells you your going to fight you, you should walk away.. the person gets in your face and you avoid them and walk away... hell, he punches you and you still bite your lip and walk away.... but you can only walk away so many times... you watch him go over to a bunch of your fellow school mates, and you watch them classmates burn and jump out of windows, and these people are dancing and laughing about killing infidels... ENOUGH!!!! i belive in peace, but enough is enough...

call me what you will, you bring up concepts, ideas, and they all make a lot of sense... that is, until you try to apply them to real life and there isn't any way that it will work in the current enviroment... we could do everything they want, and they would still attack us, and we'd be weak in teh meantime...

Nati Ice · February 10, 2006

ive got to agree with rick on this, that read was a complete waste of time...

its understandable that comparisons exist between racism and our views of muslim, but honestly thats it. theres nothing more to that arguement. end of story.

STRAYCAT · February 10, 2006

It is boiling down to Christian faith and muslium faith. They think the way they believe is totally right and way christians believe is wrong. If they had their way we would not exsist. We can argue till the cows come home. Won't change a thing.

February 10, 2006

[quote name='bengalrick' post='216670' date='Feb 9 2006, 09:18 PM']what a waste of 2 minutes i just had, reading that...

yeah, thats right, they just compared mohammed (a religious figure) to the whole black racist (a race) and even did it in a very racist way...

the facts are, compare apples to apples... jesus and christianity is made fun of, degraded, said to be evil, about everything that can be done to disrespect the majority of this country... BUT NOBODY IS RIOTING WHEN IT HAPPENS... sure you have some crazy fuckers that bomb abortion clinics, but christians come out against them crazy fuckers...

before 9.11, maybe i could buy into those types of theories, but no way now... even if we do exactly what your saying, bring our troops home, apoligize for all atrocities we ever did, disavow israel and stop recognizing them as a country, and do whatever else you think is necessary, we will still get hit... they hate us... there is nothing we can do to stop that at this point...

this is dangerous thinking, but if there is someone that tells you your going to fight you, you should walk away.. the person gets in your face and you avoid them and walk away... hell, he punches you and you still bite your lip and walk away.... but you can only walk away so many times... you watch him go over to a bunch of your fellow school mates, and you watch them classmates burn and jump out of windows, and these people are dancing and laughing about killing infidels... ENOUGH!!!! i belive in peace, but enough is enough...

call me what you will, you bring up concepts, ideas, and they all make a lot of sense... that is, until you try to apply them to real life and there isn't any way that it will work in the current enviroment... we could do everything they want, and they would still attack us, and we'd be weak in teh meantime...[/quote]

Agreed. This is about religion, not race. That article was just dumb. And I agree with everything you said.

February 10, 2006

[b]what's interesting .... is I find myself in a curious position on this issue .... because I am more "in the center" I guess than on most of the issues in this forum ... and thus am placed inbetween Rick and Homer .... as Opposed to where you might usually find me .... which is dangling off the the left ... (in my wisdom .... Kidding ..... kind of )

so Homer ..... lets look at your post .....[/b]

first what I want to do is examine the 12 cartoons that caused all the uproar .... not the truly insulting ones that are floating around now ....

[center][size=7]To me the Original 12 breaks into 2 categories ....[/size]

[size=5]Offensive .... and General[/size]

[size=7]First the General ones .....[/size]
[img]http://annoy.com/img/graphics/muhammed02_pc.jpg[/img]
[img]http://annoy.com/img/graphics/muhammed04_pc.jpg[/img]
[img]http://annoy.com/img/graphics/muhammed12_pc.jpg[/img]
[img]http://annoy.com/img/graphics/muhammed10_pc.jpg[/img]
[img]http://annoy.com/img/graphics/muhammed11_pc.jpg[/img]
[img]http://annoy.com/img/graphics/muhammed03_pc.jpg[/img]
[img]http://annoy.com/img/graphics/muhammed08_pc.jpg[/img]

[size=4]all of these either show Muhammed in a General non offensive fashion in my opinion .... or show someone else other than Muhammed[/size]

[size=5]Now these could somewhat be offensive I guess ....[/size]
[img]http://annoy.com/img/graphics/muhammed01_pc.jpg[/img]
[img]http://annoy.com/img/graphics/muhammed05_pc.jpg[/img]
[img]http://annoy.com/img/graphics/muhammed07_pc.jpg[/img]
[img]http://annoy.com/img/graphics/muhammed09_pc.jpg[/img]

[size=3]These either show a sword wielding Muhammad (which is actually historically accurate but nonetheless might offend) or the fact that women are oppressed in Islamic society (which is accurate but I will even give that the benefit of the doubt of being offensive because they might say they are sheltered for their own good) .... and then there is the classic fuse from head one .... which I will grant you is the most offensive of the bunch .... and thus the most oftenly sited to ignite riots ....[/size][/center]

[b]Now to the issues raised .....

are these the same as racist cartoons depicting Blacks or Jews ..... I don't believe so .... [color="#009900"][size=3]and to illustrate it below I am displaying some truly disgusting, revolting, filth cartoons which I believe portrays the difference .... and these would truly cause riots here in America if put in the paper ....[/size][/color]

[color="#FF0000"]these actually deeply disturb me which is hard to do [/color]

[color="#993399"]
[size=3][center]are these the same as racist black cartoons such as the below ones (which I apologize for posting .... but this is what we are talking about ... and if a poster asks me to remove them I will) .... [/size]

[img]http://www.resist.com/CARTOON%20GALLERY/NIGGERS/nig_image09.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.resist.com/CARTOON%20GALLERY/NIGGERS/nig_image41.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.resist.com/CARTOON%20GALLERY/NIGGERS/nig_image48.jpg[/img][/center][/color]

[size=3][center]Now are they the same as these cartoons ... (which I will also remove if others ask me too) but I think they are important for what we are talking about ....[/size]

[img]http://www.resist.com/CARTOON%20GALLERY/KIKES/jews_image32.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.resist.com/CARTOON%20GALLERY/KIKES/jews_image37.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.resist.com/CARTOON%20GALLERY/KIKES/jews_image42.jpg[/img]

[size=7]Thus ..... [/size] [/b]

[b][img]http://www.resist.com/CARTOON%20GALLERY/NIGGERS/nig_image16.jpg[/img] VS [img]http://annoy.com/img/graphics/muhammed07_pc.jpg[/img][/center][/b]

[color="#000099"][b]Now I actually agree with the Palestinians when it comes to Israel .... and I don't support Western Imperialism into the Middle East .... however to me I also support the right to satire and critique foriegn policy, politics, religion, international relations, etc etc etc and to me just because one group holds a person to be a diety to me doesn;t mean the rest of us must treat that person with kid gloves ...... to me the Muslims that are pissed in this are fighting the wrong fight .... especially when they allow some very graphic cartoons of Jews and others in their own press ..... now is it possible that Arabs see their Muhammad ones the same that we see these Jew and Black ones .... Possibly ??? but I am curious to what others think ..... [/b] [/color]

[color="#663366"][b]a simple google search gave me this bunch of Aryan pieces of shit .... who apparently have cartoons bashing everyone else ....

[url="http://www.resist.com/"]http://www.resist.com/[/url] then click on cartoons on the far left

Now this kind of throws a wrench into the whole ... "Freedom of speech" somewhat .... should someone be able to display anything they want regardless how offensive ??? Theoretically I have always believed so .... but damn some of this shit is fucked up beyond belief ..... I think it becomes an important question for us all to consider ??? [/b] [/color]

February 10, 2006

This is my take on whats going on.

The Danes have the right to print any kind of cartoon drawing they want, no matter how
offensive it may seem to others.

However, they should not have been surprised with the magnitude of the consequences.

This is not the first time Muslims reacted in violent backlash when they felt Muhammad was
disrespected. If I recall correctly, it was just a few years ago at a international beauty pagent
in Africa, where a female judge was quoted as saying that the women(contestants) were so beautiful that

Muhammad

himself would want to choose one as his wife. That caused a shit storm, there were protests, riots
and some Muslim leaders called for the judge's death because they felt she had no right to speak
for Muhammad.

So, my point is that the Danes should have seen this coming. They were foolish if they didn't.

I am not condoning, our justifying the riots are violence, but come on........ are we really that surprised
that these Muslims are behaving this way.

I am not Muslim, but I can see how the cartoon could have come crossed offensive to even
the most calm and rational Muslims.

But, the Muslims out there rioting, destroying shit, and wanting to kill people wanted to do that
all along, the cartoons were just the excuse they needed.

The Danes essentially insulted a bunch of lunatics, so if they do not want to apologize or attempt
any reconciliation with the Muslim world, my opinion is ......they made their bed and let them lie
in it. I dont think the United States or anyone else should get involved.

February 10, 2006

BJ, once again, you can't compare making fun of someone's religion to making fun of someone's race. It's just a stupid argument, really, and I don't wanna go into it again, but...

We have accepted over here that everyone is of a different religion or of none at all. Thus, it does not disturb us when people make fun of religions. Hell, look at South Park. They had an episode on last night where Jesus got his ass whooped by Satan in a goddamn boxing match. Even me, being a Christian, wasn't offended by it, and if I was, then it doesn't matter, because due to the separation we have between our government and our religion, it is protected by freedom of speech. Word? Word.

At least... I THINK I made some sort of sense there...

February 10, 2006

Also, as a final statement, they deserve to be upset over it, but they are not allowed to be protesting, killing people, and burning embassies because of it. That's just stupid.

MULLY · February 10, 2006

I think the US should avoid this one like the plague. We've got enough problems over there. Either that or just turn that whole fucking psycho land into a shining pane of glass and be done with it.
MULLY

Homer_Rice · February 10, 2006

Xymphora is an interesting writer. He (or she) tends towards the cynical, but I usually find the articles thought provoking. I think the key point (at least why I posted it over here) being made is worth thinking about: i.e. to what extent do we dehumanize others? If you didn't take a few minutes to at least think about that hypothesis, then the piece didn't do its job, or you didn't pause long enough to consider the notion.

I suggested before what I think and I'll say it again. I am fairly persuaded that this is an operation of sorts. It is just too classic an instance of profiling a target and then engaging in the sorts of actions that, sooner or later, will create the kind of reactions desired by those doing the profiling. I'd bet a good steak dinner I'm right, though I can't prove it. Once people start putting together the precise chain of events, including some analysis of the participants, then we'll know more. But as I said, this is just too classic a case of manipulation to be a set of coincidences. What's the old Roman question: Qui Bonis?

Ben · February 10, 2006

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Homer_Rice · February 10, 2006

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February 10, 2006

[quote name='Homer_Rice' post='216752' date='Feb 10 2006, 08:09 AM']Xymphora is an interesting writer. He (or she) tends towards the cynical, but I usually find the articles thought provoking. I think the key point (at least why I posted it over here) being made is worth thinking about: i.e. to what extent do we dehumanize others? If you didn't take a few minutes to at least think about that hypothesis, then the piece didn't do its job, or you didn't pause long enough to consider the notion.

I suggested before what I think and I'll say it again. I am fairly persuaded that this is an operation of sorts. It is just too classic an instance of profiling a target and then engaging in the sorts of actions that, sooner or later, will create the kind of reactions desired by those doing the profiling. I'd bet a good steak dinner I'm right, though I can't prove it. Once people start putting together the precise chain of events, including some analysis of the participants, then we'll know more. But as I said, this is just too classic a case of manipulation to be a set of coincidences. What's the old Roman question: Qui Bonis?[/quote]

i actually also believe it is an operation... but i assume its a differnt kind of operation... let me explain my thinking on whats going on...

the cartoons were originally published on september 30, 2005... no riots, no outrage...nobody even knew it was going on... so if it was such a big deal now, why not then? my answer, what was going on at the same time? how about Hamas' election in palestine and egypt (muslim brotherhood) was in an election cycle... if they come out and act like nut jobs (or more of nutjobs) then they would be hurting their chances of being elected... let me make this clear though... there was outrage then... there were investigations to find out whether they degraded the image of mohammed, but the paper was found to be inncent... so there was problems from the beginning, but not big problems... and right after it happened, is when you would expect there to be problems, right?

so when did the outrage happen,you ask? a few weeks ago... and which elections are now over? hamas and the muslim brotherhood... this will help their cause too, so they have motive...

all in all, i think that this is mostly made up by a bunch of extremists, who are pushing the weak willed people to do stupid things, and help their cause... i guess the biggest astonishment that americans have about this, is that hardly any prominent muslim is coming out against it... or at least, i don't hear from them...

i truely believe that there are forces "behind the curtain" that are fanning the fury, and hamas, muslim brotherhood, and probably iran and syria are all behind this shit... hell, add in a bunch of countries like saudi arabia, b/c i'm sure they are not blameless..

<edit> after reading your last post, maybe we aren't too far off from the same ideas here....

Ben · February 10, 2006

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Homer_Rice · February 10, 2006

Interesting hypothesis, br. I have some thoughts, but I'll hold back until I check out a few more leads.

Here's the key question I'm pursuing: Who benefits from a heightened degree of tension between Europe and the Middle East? Also, why now? It's clearly a divide and conquer (manipulate) tactic; both ends are being played against the middle here. By that I mean, the provocation is being done to both "sides" simultaneously. Not thinking of things in those terms would be an error, I'm thinking.

Lawman · February 17, 2006

Update:

PESHAWAR, Pakistan -[u] A Pakistani cleric announced a $1 million bounty for killing a cartoonist who drew the Prophet Muhammad[/u] [color="#000066"]Fucked up religion [/color] <_<

In Libya, a demonstration against the caricatures left the Italian consulate on fire and at least [u]nine [/u] people dead, according to an Italian diplomat.

Denmark, where a newspaper first published the cartoons, temporarily closed its embassy in Pakistan and advised its citizens to leave the country.

An Italian consular official, Antonio Simoes-Concalves, said nine protesters had been killed in the demonstration in the Libyan city of Bengazi as armed police fired bullets and tear gas on a crowd of more than 1,000 demonstrators.

Libyan security officials said 11 people had been killed or wounded, but gave no breakdown.

[u]"They are still continually firing," [/u] Simoes-Concalves said late Friday, speaking by telephone from inside the consulate where he was holed up. "They haven't managed to block them."

STRAYCAT · February 17, 2006

They are the most destructive and violent people I have seen. The riot over the most stupid shit. If we were like them we all would be in the streets rioting and destroying shit with all the political cartoons out in this country. :254:

Nati Ice · February 18, 2006

if ive said it once ive said it a thousand times... some people jsut need to get out more

STRAYCAT · February 18, 2006

well hells bells,maybe I will go down and kick Jim Borgmans ass the next time I don't like one of his political cartoons. :363:

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2. Should Western Governments be sensitive of the fact that Muslims ban all depictions of the "prophet" ?

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