whodey319 Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 pick one I lie between A & B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honkey Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Thanks whodey 319... next time a conspiracy deserves a poll i will make myself i guess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honkey Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 [quote name='whodey319' post='296452' date='Jul 19 2006, 11:23 AM']pick one I lie between A & B[/quote] whodey 319- have you watched the loose change video yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengalrick Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 [quote name='Honkey' post='296470' date='Jul 19 2006, 01:44 PM']whodey 319- have you watched the loose change video yet?[/quote] aka "the bible" [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/3.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBandJoeyV Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 i also lie between A and B, but picked B because I will agree that there are some shady things in this whole situation, but im not gonna go nearly as far to say there was a conspiracy involving israel and the US making or allowing these attacks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengalrick Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 whodey, cj... why don't you guys open your minds... if you don't believe that everything is a complete sham, you need to quit chugging the koolaid... i am also picking b... there are some inconsistancies, but nothing has proven to me that there is a large scale conspiracy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Im on the B, because Ive worked long enough in this goverment to know how thing really work. Although Im not sure they knew they had advanced warning becuase of how screwed up things at the FBI were/are and how the FBI and CIA hardly talked to each other. However I can see some of the conspiricy theorists views and the modivation of PNAC and Mossad, however the issue is that alot of things are still classified and thus are missing puzzle pieces that create half truths and misinformation. There isnt a sole here that will have the real truth unless they get clearance and become one of the investgators. For now while we still have boys overseas, Im fine with things being classified, I do hope one day that the truth does come out and is investigated fully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khatmandude Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Can anyone answer or "debunk" why there were 5 Israelis dancing with joy at what happened, while taping the event who later stated they were there specifically to tape it? Didn't think so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBandJoeyV Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 [quote name='CP1' post='296597' date='Jul 19 2006, 04:04 PM']Can anyone answer or "debunk" why there were 5 Israelis dancing with joy at what happened, while taping the event who later stated they were there specifically to tape it? Didn't think so[/quote] Its a good thing we have an echo of Black Jesus in here...as for the 5 israeli mossads, i will look all that stuff up when i get home and try to see if i can come up with a good answer for it, right now im at work and dont have the time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 [quote name='CJandRudiJ' post='296610' date='Jul 19 2006, 04:15 PM']Its a good thing we have an echo of Black Jesus in here...as for the 5 israeli mossads, i will look all that stuff up when i get home and try to see if i can come up with a good answer for it, right now im at work and dont have the time...[/quote] [b] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] you're such a dipshit .... he is not an echo of me ... he simply is stating the obvious .... also here is a good place to start on your research ... I am sure if it is anything like your statements thus far ... it might border the intellectual awareness of "my pet goat" ...[/b] [url="http://www.sundayherald.com/37707"]http://www.sundayherald.com/37707[/url] [url="http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/06-07-05/discussion.cgi.20.html"]http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/06-07-05/...ion.cgi.20.html[/url] [url="http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html"]http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html[/url] [url="http://killtown.blogspot.com/2005/11/dancing-israelis-on-911.html"]http://killtown.blogspot.com/2005/11/danci...lis-on-911.html[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengalrick Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 [quote name='CP1' post='296597' date='Jul 19 2006, 04:04 PM']Can anyone answer or "debunk" why there were 5 Israelis dancing with joy at what happened, while taping the event who later stated they were there specifically to tape it? Didn't think so[/quote] i was getting to this... where is this tape? the only proof of this happening that i can find is [url="http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/forget.html"]here[/url] honest question, where is this video tape? where is the proof it was massad agents? can you guys prove that the same people that were arrested on sept 17th, were the same peopel that were supposidely taping the event and cheering... its innocent before proven guilty, not the other way around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 [quote name='bengalrick' post='296622' date='Jul 19 2006, 04:27 PM']its innocent before proven guilty, not the other way around [/quote] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//24.gif[/img] [b]Ok then when is the Osama trial starting ... and I sure am glad noone held Al Qaeda guilty until it was proven [/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 [quote name='bengalrick' post='296622' date='Jul 19 2006, 04:27 PM']the only proof of this happening that i can find is [url="http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/forget.html"]here[/url][/quote] [b] you gotta be kidding me ... hell I offered up 4 links right above this .... Google dancing Israelis and you will get pages and pages of stories related to it ... [/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengalrick Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 [quote name='BlackJesus' post='296614' date='Jul 19 2006, 04:18 PM'][b] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] you're such a dipshit .... he is not an echo of me ... he simply is stating the obvious .... also here is a good place to start on your research ... I am sure if it is anything like your statements thus far ... it might border the intellectual awareness of "my pet goat" ...[/b] [url="http://www.sundayherald.com/37707"]http://www.sundayherald.com/37707[/url] [url="http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/06-07-05/discussion.cgi.20.html"]http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/06-07-05/...ion.cgi.20.html[/url] [url="http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html"]http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html[/url] [url="http://killtown.blogspot.com/2005/11/dancing-israelis-on-911.html"]http://killtown.blogspot.com/2005/11/danci...lis-on-911.html[/url][/quote] [i]Cannistraro says many in the US intelligence community [b]believed[/b] that some of the Israelis were working for Mossad and there was speculation over whether Urban Moving had been “set up or exploited for the purpose of launching an intelligence operation against radical Islamistsâ€Â. This makes it clear that there was no suggestion whatsoever from within American intelligence that the Israelis were colluding with the 9/11 hijackers – simply that the possibility remains that they knew the attacks were going to happen, but effectively did nothing to help stop them.[/i] i'm trying to piece this together... is there any real proof here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khatmandude Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 [quote name='CJandRudiJ' post='296610' date='Jul 19 2006, 05:45 PM']Its a good thing we have an echo of Black Jesus in here...as for the 5 israeli mossads, [b]i will look all that stuff up when i get home and try to see if i can come up with a good answer for it[/b], right now im at work and dont have the time...[/quote] I'm sure you'll find a justification for it I'll be holding my breath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 [color="#CC0000"][b][size=3]article on the event ..... [/size] [/b] [/color] [size=3][u][quote]Five Israelis were seen filming as jet liners ploughed into the Twin Towers on September 11, 2001 ... Sunday Herald [/u] [/size] Were they part of a massive spy ring which shadowed the 9/11 hijackers and knew that al-Qaeda planned a devastating terrorist attack on the USA? Neil Mackay investigates [b]THERE was ruin and terror in Manhattan[/b], but, over the Hudson River in New Jersey, [b]a handful of men were dancing.[/b] As the World Trade Centre burned and crumpled, the [b]five men celebrated and filmed the[/b] worst [b]atrocity[/b] ever committed on American soil as it played out before their eyes. Who do you think they were? Palestinians? Saudis? Iraqis, even? Al-Qaeda, surely? Wrong on all counts. [b]They were Israelis[/b] – and at least [b]two of them were Israeli intelligence agents, working for Mossad[/b], the equivalent of MI6 or the CIA. [u][b]Their discovery and arrest that morning is a matter of indisputable fact.[/b] [/u] To those who have investigated just what the Israelis were up to that day, the case [b]raises one dreadful possibility: that Israeli intelligence had been shadowing the al-Qaeda hijackers as they moved from the Middle East through Europe and into America[/b] where they trained as pilots and prepared to suicide-bomb the symbolic heart of the United States. [b]And the motive? To bind America in blood and mutual suffering to the Israeli cause.[/b] [b]After the attacks[/b] on New York and Washington, the former[b] Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu,[/b] was asked what the terrorist strikes would mean for US-Israeli relations. He [b]said: “It’s very good.â€Â[/b] Then he corrected himself, adding: “Well, it’s not good, but [b]it will generate immediate sympathy [for Israel from Americans].â€Â[/b] If Israel’s closest ally felt the collective pain of mass civilian deaths at the hands of terrorists, then Israel would have an unbreakable bond with the world’s only hyperpower and an effective free hand in dealing with the Palestinian terrorists who had been murdering its innocent civilians as the second intifada dragged on throughout 2001. It’s not surprising that the [b]New Jersey housewife who first spotted the five Israelis and their white van[/b] wants to preserve her anonymity. She’s insisted that she only be identified as Maria. A neighbour in her apartment building had called her just after the first strike on the Twin Towers. Maria grabbed a pair of binoculars and, like millions across the world, she watched the horror of the day unfold. [b]As she gazed at the burning towers, she noticed a group of men kneeling on the roof of a white van in her parking lot.[/b] Here’s her recollection: [b]“They seemed to be taking a movie. They were like happy, you know ... they didn’t look shocked to me. I thought it was strange.â€Â[/b] [b]Maria jotted down the van’s registration and called the police.[/b] The FBI was alerted and soon there was a statewide all points bulletin put out for the apprehension of the van and its occupants. [b]The cops traced the number, establishing that it belonged to a company called Urban Moving.[/b] Police Chief John Schmidig said: “We got an alert to be on the lookout for a white Chevrolet van with New Jersey registration and writing on the side. Three individuals were seen celebrating in Liberty State Park after the impact. They said three people were jumping up and down.†By 4pm on the afternoon of September 11, the van was spotted near New Jersey’s Giants stadium. [b]A squad car pulled it over and inside were five men in their 20s.[/b] They were hustled out of the car with guns levelled at their heads and handcuffed. [b]In the car was $4700 in cash,[/b] a [b]couple of foreign passports and a pair of box cutters[/b] – [b]the concealed Stanley Knife-type blades used by the 19 hijackers who’d flown jetliners into the World Trade Centre and Pentagon just hours before.[/b] There were also [b]fresh pictures of the men standing with the smouldering wreckage of the Twin Towers in the background.[/b] One image showed a hand flicking a lighter in front of the devastated buildings, like a fan at a pop concert. The [b]driver of the van then told the arresting officers:[/b] [b]“We are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem.â€Â[/b] His name was Sivan Kurzberg. The other four passengers were[b] Kurzberg’s brother Paul, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner and Omer Marmari.[/b] The men were dragged off to prison and transferred out of the custody of the FBI’s Criminal Division and into the hands of their Foreign Counterintelligence Section – the bureau’s anti-espionage squad. A warrant was issued for a search of the Urban Moving premises in Weehawken in New Jersey. Boxes of papers and computers were removed. [b]The FBI questioned the firm’s Israeli owner,[/b] [b]Dominik Otto Suter,[/b] but when agents returned to re-interview him a few days later, he was gone. An employee of Urban Moving said his co-workers had laughed about the Manhattan attacks the day they happened. “I was in tears,†the man said. “These guys were joking and that bothered me. These guys were like, ‘Now America knows what we go through.†Vince Cannistraro, former chief of operations for counter-terrorism with the CIA, says the red flag went up among investigators when it was discovered that [b]some of the Israelis’ names were found in a search of the national intelligence database.[/b] Cannistraro says [b]many in the US intelligence community believed that some of the Israelis were working for Mossad[/b] and there was speculation over whether Urban Moving had been “set up or exploited for the purpose of launching an intelligence operation against radical Islamistsâ€Â. This makes it clear that there was [b]no suggestion whatsoever from within American intelligence that the Israelis were colluding with the 9/11 hijackers – simply that the possibility remains that they knew the attacks were going to happen, but effectively did nothing to help stop them.[/b] [b]After the owner vanished, the offices of Urban Moving looked as if they’d been closed down in a big hurry.[/b] Mobile phones were littered about, the office phones were still connected and the property of at least a dozen clients were stacked up in the warehouse. [b]The owner had cleared out his family home in New Jersey and returned to Israel.[/b] [b]Two weeks after their arrest, the Israelis were still in detention, held on immigration charges. [/b] Then a [b]judge ruled that they should be deported.[/b] But the[b] CIA scuppered the deal and the five remained in custody for another two months.[/b] Some went into solitary confinement, all underwent two polygraph tests and at least one underwent up to seven lie detector sessions before they were [b]eventually deported at the end of November 2001.[/b] [b]Paul Kurzberg refused to take a lie detector test for 10 weeks, but then failed it.[/b] His lawyer said he was reluctant to take the test as he had once worked for Israeli intelligence in another country. Nevertheless, their lawyer, Ram Horvitz, dismissed the allegations as “stupid and ridiculousâ€Â. Yet US government sources still maintained that the Israelis were collecting information on the fundraising activities of groups like Hamas and Islamic Jihad. Mark Regev, of the Israeli embassy in Washington, would have none of that and he said the allegations were “simply falseâ€Â. The men themselves claimed they’d read about the World Trade Centre attacks on the internet, couldn’t see it from their office and went to the parking lot for a better view. Their lawyers and the embassy say their ghoulish and sinister celebrations as the Twin Towers blazed and thousands died were due to youthful foolishness. The respected New York Jewish newspaper, The Forward, reported in March 2002, however, that it had received a briefing on the case of the five Israelis from a US official who was regularly updated by law enforcement agencies. This is what he told The Forward: “The assessment was that Urban Moving Systems was a front for the Mossad and operatives employed by it.†He added that [b]“the conclusion of the FBI was that they were spying on local Arabsâ€Â, but the men were released because they “did not know anything about 9/11â€Â.[/b] [b]Back in Israel, several of the men discussed what happened on an Israeli talk show.[/b] [b]One of them made this remarkable comment: [u]“The fact of the matter is we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the event.†But how can you document an event unless you know it is going to happen?[/b][/u] We are now deep in conspiracy theory territory. But there is more than a little circumstantial evidence to show that [b]Mossad – whose motto is “By way of deception, thou shalt do warâ€Â[/b] – was spying on Arab extremists in the USA and may have known that September 11 was in the offing, yet decided to withhold vital information from their American counterparts which could have prevented the terror attacks. [b]Following September 11, 2001, more than 60 Israelis were taken into custody [/b] under the Patriot Act and immigration laws. [b]One highly placed investigator told Carl Cameron of Fox News that there were “tie-ins†between the Israelis and September 11[/b]; the hint was clearly that they’d gathered intelligence on the planned attacks but kept it to themselves. The Fox News source refused to give details, saying: [b]“Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified.[/b] I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It’s classified information.†[b]Fox News is not noted for its condemnation of Israel;[/b] it’s a ruggedly patriotic news channel owned by Rupert Murdoch and was President Bush’s main cheerleader in the war on terror and the invasion of Iraq. [b]Another group of around 140 Israelis were detained prior to September 11, 2001, in the USA as part of a widespread investigation into a suspected espionage ring run by Israel inside the USA.[/b] Government documents refer to the spy ring as an “organised intelligence-gathering operation†designed to “penetrate government facilitiesâ€Â. Most of those arrested had served in the Israeli armed forces – but military service is compulsory in Israel. Nevertheless, a number had an intelligence background. The first glimmerings of an Israeli spying exercise in the USA came to light in spring 2001, when the FBI sent a warning to other federal agencies alerting them to be wary of visitors calling themselves “Israeli art students†and attempting to bypass security at federal buildings in order to sell paintings. A Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) report suggested the Israeli calls “may well be an organised intelligence-gathering activityâ€Â. [b]Law enforcement documents say that the Israelis “targeted and penetrated military bases†as well as the DEA, FBI and dozens of government facilities,[/b] including secret offices and the unlisted private homes of law enforcement and intelligence personnel. A number of Israelis questioned by the authorities said they were students from Bezalel Academy of Art and Design, but Pnina Calpen, a spokeswoman for the Israeli school, did not recognise the names of any Israelis mentioned as studying there in the past 10 years. A federal report into the so-called art students said many had served in intelligence and electronic signal intercept units during their military service. [b]According to a 61-page report, drafted after an investigation by the DEA and the US immigration service, the Israelis were organised into cells of four to six people.[/b] The significance of what the Israelis were doing didn’t emerge until after September 11, 2001, when a report by a [b]French intelligence agency noted “according to the FBI, Arab terrorists and suspected terror cells lived in Phoenix, Arizona, as well as in Miami and Hollywood, Florida, from December 2000 to April 2001 in direct proximity to the Israeli spy cellsâ€Â.[/b] [b]The report contended that Mossad agents were spying on Mohammed Atta and Marwan al-Shehi, two of leaders of the 9/11 hijack teams[/b]. The pair had settled in Hollywood, Florida, along with three other hijackers, after leaving Hamburg – where another Mossad team was operating close by. Hollywood in Florida is a town of just 25,000 souls. The French intelligence report says [b]the leader of the Mossad cell in Florida rented apartments “right near the apartment of Atta and al-Shehiâ€Â. [/b] More than a third of the Israeli “art students†claimed residence in Florida. Two other Israelis connected to the art ring showed up in Fort Lauderdale. At one time, eight of the hijackers lived just north of the town. Put together, the facts do appear to indicate that [b]Israel knew that 9/11, or at least a large-scale terror attack, was about to take place on American soil, but did nothing to warn the USA.[/b] But that’s not quite true. In August 2001, the Israelis handed over a list of terrorist suspects – on it were the names of four of the September 11 hijackers. Significantly, however, the warning said the terrorists were planning an attack “outside the United Statesâ€Â. The Israeli embassy in Washington has dismissed claims about the spying ring as “simply untrueâ€Â. The same denials have been issued repeatedly by the five Israelis seen high-fiving each other as the World Trade Centre burned in front of them. [b]Their lawyer, Ram Horwitz,[/b] insisted his clients were not intelligence officers. Irit Stoffer, the Israeli foreign minister, said the allegations were “completely untrueâ€Â. [b]She said the men were arrested because of “visa violationsâ€Â, adding: “The FBI investigated those cases because of 9/11.â€Â[/b] Jim Margolin, an FBI spokesman in New York, implied that the public would never know the truth, saying: “If we found evidence of unauthorised intelligence operations that would be classified material.†Yet,[b] Israel has long been known, according to US administration sources, for “conducting the most aggressive espionage operations against the US of any US allyâ€Â.[/b] Seventeen years ago, Jonathan Pollard, a civilian working for the American Navy, was jailed for life for passing secrets to Israel. At first, Israel claimed Pollard was part of a rogue operation, but the government later took responsibility for his work. [b]It has always been a long-accepted agreement among allies – such as Britain and America or America and Israel – that neither country will jail a “friendly spy†nor shame the allied country for espionage.[/b] Chip Berlet, a senior analyst at Boston’s Political Research Associates and an expert in intelligence, says: “It’s a backdoor agreement between allies that says that if one of your spies gets caught and didn’t do too much harm, he goes home. It goes on all the time. The official reason is always visa violation.†What we are left with, then, is fact sullied by innuendo. Certainly, it seems, Israel was spying within the borders of the United States and it is equally certain that the targets were Islamic extremists probably linked to September 11.[b] But did Israel know in advance that the Twin Towers would be hit and the world plunged into a war without end;[/b] a war which would give Israel the power to strike its enemies almost without limit? That’s a conspiracy theory too far, perhaps. But the unpleasant feeling that, in this age of spin and secrets, we do not know the full and unadulterated truth won’t go away. Maybe we can guess, but it’s for the history books to discover and decide.[/quote] [url="http://www.sundayherald.com/37707"]http://www.sundayherald.com/37707[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengalrick Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 [quote name='BlackJesus' post='296625' date='Jul 19 2006, 04:31 PM'][b] you gotta be kidding me ... hell I offered up 4 links right above this .... Google dancing Israelis and you will get pages and pages of stories related to it ... [/b][/quote] read them... not impressed... where is the evidence... [url="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=dancing+Israelis"]here, i google it[/url] and found nothing that is crediable in my eyes... whatreallyhappened.com isnt' exactly the BBC... the sunday daily article is by far the best i found so far, and it doesn't give me much evidence.. it doesn't even say that they are w/ massad for sure... only that they are "believed" to be w/ massad... this doesn't quite prove a damn thing, as a matter of fact... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 [quote name='bengalrick' post='296631' date='Jul 19 2006, 04:36 PM']read them... not impressed... where is the evidence... [url="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=dancing+Israelis"]here, i google it[/url] and found nothing that is crediable in my eyes... whatreallyhappened.com isnt' exactly the BBC... the sunday daily article is by far the best i found so far, and it doesn't give me much evidence.. it doesn't even say that they are w/ massad for sure... only that they are "believed" to be w/ massad... this doesn't quite prove a damn thing, as a matter of fact...[/quote] [b]you don't think it is odd that 5 Israelis were taping the attacks ... admitted to dancing as the towers burned ... said they were here to document the event ... had 4,700 $ of cash in their van and the same weapon - box cutters allegedly used on the planes ... refused to take and then failed lie detectors tests while detained .... And then Mossad rented an apartment right next to the supposed 9/11 mastermind in Florida !!!! nah ... nothing suspicious about that [/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengalrick Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 [quote name='BlackJesus' post='296633' date='Jul 19 2006, 04:39 PM'][b]you don't think it is odd that 5 Israelis were taping the attacks ... admitted to dancing as the towers burned ... said they were here to document the event ... had 4,700 $ of cash in their van and the same box cutters allegedly used on the planes ... refused to take and then failed lie detectors tests while detained .... And then Mossad rented an apartment right next to the supposed 9/11 mastermind in Florida !!!! nah ... nothing suspicious about that [/b][/quote] yes, i do think its odd... but can you prove a damn thing from it? they could have, like the article said, known they were in the country by following them... i simply don't know... but it doesn't prove a conspiracy... how do you know there are the same box cutters that the terrorists used? i'll tell you what, for basing everything you believe on some reports, that is pretty weak that it carries no evidence whatsoever... keep believing your bs, bj... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBandJoeyV Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 As i said in the original thread about this, many anti-bush people have gone on and on about how he shoulda known about this with all the reports from the cia and fbi or whatever...my question is if the usa knew about it maybe other countries knew about it too...so therefore maybe some israeli intelligence knew about it just like some american intelligence knew about it. As for the celebrating, well maybe they just thought it would help their cause...is their cause worth thousands of dying? Obviously not. But to these very frew individuals they obviously believed that by this happening it would help the US feel sorry for israel or whatever and help the US get even more involved in the middle east...am i saying these israelis were right? No, they are insane if they were celebrating these attacks. But does this show that in any way they were part of the attacks and were involved in attacking the US? I dont think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 [b]Not to mention that all the Govt evidence of these Israelis is sealed as classified ... and the men were allowed to return back to Israel ... I guess we only throw Muslims in Gitmo for years on end while we figure out their ties to Al Qaeda ... but these men weren't worthy of being held ???? [/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBandJoeyV Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 and that article claims that these 5 israelis were following the "al-quedas" throughout europe and into the US...so if you are gonna believe the story about these israelis at least it shows that members of the al-queda were the ones who actually did the attacks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 [quote name='CJandRudiJ' post='296642' date='Jul 19 2006, 04:51 PM']and that article claims that these 5 israelis were following the "al-quedas" throughout europe and into the US...so if you are gonna believe the story about these israelis at least it shows that members of the al-queda were the ones who actually did the attacks...[/quote] [b]The Israelis claim they were following the Al Qaeda men .... however they could just as easily been following them to help coordinate the attacks and make sure everything went as planned ... or been following them because they were actually a part of them .... [/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBandJoeyV Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 what about my first post bj... and also were the israelis filming when the first plane hit, or did they only get there to film the second plane and/or the collapse and aftermath? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest steggyD Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 What I don't get is this. Even if it were Israelis who did this, or Israelis knew about this, that still does not discount that a jet hit the Pentagon, or it does not prove that our own government knew about it and let it happen. What seems to me is that many conspiracists are fishing. When one story doesn't work out, you throw out another. Keep throwing them out. "Well, wha...wha...what about this? What about this? What about that?" Until people are tired of answering the silly questions over and over. So here's my compromise. An underground shadow Zionist control group worked with some people of Arab descent to plan the attack. The Zionists used people of Arab descent as a bait to get the US government into the Middle East to help stir up the nest, so to speak. The only government officials of the US that knew were those who are part of the shadow government, the secret people, who only travel in black vehicles. The President knew something was going down, from a little bird, but not the entire details. His balls were tied though, because he relies upon these people to keep him in power, so he had no answer. Besides, who wants to lose all that money and power? So the planes did happen, but the people who flew them into the buildings actually had even further training by the Zionist control group, or they were replaced by actual Zionists, who flew in place of the people with the Arab names. Sounds like a great movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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