Guest Patmo Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 Do you know how much money is committed to salaries for the offense and defense ? If anybody has that # on this board,it's you. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oldschooler Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 Patmo this is a post I made about the salary cap when Hobson said the Bengals only had $5 million to play with in 2005. [quote]Palmer 2005 salary $ 1,605,000 [b]Cap hit $ 3,033,571 [/b] Kitna 2005 salary $1,000,000 [b]Cap hit $2,150,000 [/b] Bramlet salary $305,000 [b]Total for QB`s $5,488,571[/b] (I read where Palmer has an escalator in his contract to where it could go up another $4 million...so it could go to 9 million) Jerimi Johnson [b]2005 Cap Hit $380,000 [/b] Chris Perry salary $380,000 [b]2005 Cap Hit $2,330,000[/b] ($1.9 million is signing bonus) Total for RB`s [b]$2,710,000[/b] (not counting Rudi) Peter Warrick 2005 Base Salary $ 2,280,000 [b]Cap Hit $ 2,481,667[/b] Chad Johnson 2005 Base Salary $ 1,000,000 [b]Cap Hit $ 3,083,333[/b] Kelley Washington 2005 Base Salary $ 380,000 [b]Cap Hit $ 559,000[/b] Reggie Kelly 2005 Base Salary $ 1,100,000 [b]Cap Hit $ 1,600,000[/b] Brad St. Louis 2005 Base Salary $ 540,000 [b]Cap Hit $ 573,333[/b] Matt Schobel 2005 Base salary $ 455,000 [b]Cap Hit $ 630,000[/b] Tony Stewart [b]2005 Cap hit $600,000[/b] [b]Total cap hit for WR`s and TE`s $9,382,333[/b] Willie Anderson 2005 Base Salary $ 3,850,000 [b]Cap Hit $ 4,105,200[/b] Levi Jones 2005 Base Salary $ 630,000 [b]Cap Hit $ 1,740,000[/b] Scott Kooistra [b]2005 Cap hit $393,666[/b] Bobbie Williams 2005 Base Salary $1,150,000 [b]Cap Hit $1,483,333[/b] Larry Moore [b]2005 Cap Hit $670,000[/b] Eric Steinbach 2005 Base Salary $380,000 [b]Cap Hit $820,000[/b] Belton Johnson $305,000 Stacy Andrews $305,000 (base salaries....no cap hit numbers given) [b]Total Cap Hit for Offensive Linemen $9,822,199[/b] John Thorton 2005 Base Salary $2,500,000 [b]Cap Hit $ 3,333,333[/b] Duane Clemons 2005 Base Salary $1.250,000 [b]Cap Hit $ 1,683,333[/b] Justin Smith 2005 Base Salary $ 1,830,000 [b]Cap Hit $ 3,638,333[/b] Langston Moore [b]Cap Hit $380,000[/b] (only numbers I had were base salaries) Mathias Askew [b]Cap Hit $305,000[/b] Shaun Smith [b]Cap Hit $305,000[/b] Robert Geathers [b]Cap Hit $305,000[/b] Greg Scott [b]Cap Hit $380,000[/b] LaDairis Jackson [b]Cap Hit $455,000[/b] [b]Total Cap Hit for Defensive Linemen $10,479,999[/b] Brian Simmons 2005 Base Salary $ 2,600,000 [b]Cap Hit $ 3,200,000[/b] Nate Webster 2005 Base Salary $1,500,000 [b]Cap Hit $2,000,000[/b] Kevin Hardy 2005 Base Salary $ 2,600,000 [b]Cap Hit $ 3,625,000[/b] Khalid Abdullah 2005 Base Salary $380,000 [b]Cap Hit $ 423,333[/b] Caleb Miller (only numbers I have are base salaries) [b]Cap Hit $305,000[/b] Landon Johnson [b]Cap Hit $305,000[/b] Larry Stevens [b]Cap Hit $305,000[/b] [b]Total Cap Hit for LB`s $10,163,333[/b] Tory James 2005 Base Salary $ 2,250,000 [b]Cap Hit $ 3,175,000[/b] Rogers Beckett [b]2005 Cap Hit $700,000[/b] Kevin Kaesviharn [b]2005 Cap Hit $600,000[/b] Kim Herring 2005 Base Salary $1,100,000 [b]Cap Hit $1,600,000[/b] Alvin Porter [b]2005 Cap Hit $540,000[/b] Dennis Weathersby [b]2005 Cap Hit $380,000[/b] Terrell Roberts [b]2005 Cap Hit $380,000[/b] Deltha O'Neal [b]2005 Cap Hit $1,190,000[/b] Keiwan Ratliff (all I have are base salary numbers) [b]2005 cap hit $305,000[/b] Greg Brooks [b]2005 cap hit $305,000[/b] [b]Total Cap Hit for DB`s $9,175,000[/b] Shayne Graham [b]2005 Cap Hit $1,320,000[/b] Kyle Larson [b]2005 Cap Hit $305,000[/b] [b]Total Cap Hit for Kickers $1,625,000[/b] That comes to a grand total of [b]$58,846,435.[/b] So even if you add Palmer`s $4million escalator it STILL is $17 million under the $ 80.5 million of THIS YEARS CAP. I got those numbers from here. [url="http://bengalsjungle.com/players_salaries.html"]http://bengalsjungle.com/players_salaries.html[/url] And from here. [url="http://www.nflpa.org/Members/main.asp?subPage=Active+Player+Search"]http://www.nflpa.org/Members/main.asp?subP...e+Player+Search[/url][/quote] The cap should go up AT LEAST to $85 million next year. Of course that isn`t counting our own Free Agents(14 players I think), the 8 players on the practice squad. They make $73,500 a piece...which is $588,000 total, the $1 Million we are supposed to be over the cap because of the players we had on IR this year..... Anyway from the numbers I could come up with, the Offensive players are slated to make $27,553,103 in 2005. The Defensive players are slated to make $29,818,332 in 2005. Take into account that some of the players all I could find is Base Salaries. But anyway those numbers should be within $5 million or so on both sides of the ball...but don`t hold me to it. [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/17.gif[/img] Hope that helps and is what you were looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Patmo Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 Yeah,Old,it does help and surprises the hell out of me.I thought that we had more money on the offensive side of the ball.Carson,CJ,Levi,Willie,Jason,Steinbach,Rudi,PDUB.I thought they'd far surpass the expenditures on the Defense, Again,thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bengal_Smoov Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 Cutting Hardy, Herring, and Kelley could save up to 5-6 mil, we already have younger, cheaper, and more productive players at all of those positions. If we get a good safety and TE in the draft or FA then these guys may get cut in order to save money. If we dump the dead weight(expensive guys who aren't producing) then we could re-sign Rudi and TJ and still have enough money to be a major player in FA. Everyone talks as if we didn't try to get some big name, big $ guys last year, but in fact that is completely false. Most of the big name players were courted by us last year, in turned out to be the right move not to sign any of them. Taylor, Vincent and Sapp were either hurt and/or relatively un-effective for their new teams this year. If the cap is at 85 mil, then we have enough room to re-sign our guys(Rudi,TJ,Braham, and Watson) and still add a good FA or two. I can't wait to see how everything unfolds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Patmo Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 [quote name='Bengal_Smoov' date='Jan 18 2005, 05:24 PM']Cutting Hardy, Herring, and Kelley could save up to 5-6 mil, we already have younger, cheaper, and more productive players at all of those positions. If we get a good safety and TE in the draft or FA then these guys may get cut in order to save money. If we dump the dead weight(expensive guys who aren't producing) then we could re-sign Rudi and TJ and still have enough money to be a major player in FA. Everyone talks as if we didn't try to get some big name, big $ guys last year, but in fact that is completely false. Most of the big name players were courted by us last year, in turned out to be the right move not to sign any of them. Taylor, Vincent and Sapp were either hurt and/or relatively un-effective for their new teams this year. If the cap is at 85 mil, then we have enough room to re-sign our guys(Rudi,TJ,Braham, and Watson) and still add a good FA or two. I can't wait to see how everything unfolds. [right][post="36706"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] Smoov, I think your post proves that a player only has so many years in his body.Signing F/A's over 30 is a risky bet.BTW,add Tony Williams to your CAP savings bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esjbh2 Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 [quote name='oldschooler' date='Jan 18 2005, 04:02 PM']Anyway from the numbers I could come up with, the Offensive players are slated to make $27,403,103 in 2005. The Defensive players are slated to make $29,818,332 in 2005. [right][post="36689"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] [quote name='Patmo' date='Jan 18 2005, 04:10 PM']Yeah,Old,it does help and surprises the hell out of me.I thought that we had more money on the offensive side of the ball.Carson,CJ,Levi,Willie,Jason,Steinbach,Rudi,PDUB.I thought they'd far surpass the expenditures on the Defense[right][post="36696"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] Wow, that shocks me too. I would have guessed that the Offense was 2:1 or 3:2 versus the Defense in salary. Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BengalsOwn Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 [quote name='oldschooler' date='Jan 18 2005, 04:02 PM']Patmo this is a post I made about the salary cap when Hobson said the Bengals only had $5 million to play with in 2005. The cap should go up AT LEAST to $85 million next year. Of course that isn`t counting our own Free Agents(14 players I think), the 8 players on the practice squad. They make $73,500 a piece...which is $588,000 total, the $1 Million we are supposed to be over the cap because of the players we had on IR this year..... Anyway from the numbers I could come up with, the Offensive players are slated to make $27,403,103 in 2005. The Defensive players are slated to make $29,818,332 in 2005. Take into account that some of the players all I could find is Base Salaries. But anyway those numbers should be within $5 million or so on both sides of the ball...but don`t hold me to it. [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/17.gif[/img] Hope that helps and is what you were looking for. [right][post="36689"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] Can't forget escalators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengalrick Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 [quote name='Bengal_Smoov' date='Jan 18 2005, 04:24 PM']Cutting Hardy, Herring, and [b]Kelley[/b] could save up to 5-6 mil, we already have younger, cheaper, and more productive players at all of those positions. If we get a good safety and TE in the draft or FA then these guys may get cut in order to save money. If we dump the dead weight(expensive guys who aren't producing) then we could re-sign Rudi and TJ and still have enough money to be a major player in FA. [b]Everyone talks as if we didn't try to get some big name, big $ guys last year, but in fact that is completely false. Most of the big name players were courted by us last year, in turned out to be the right move not to sign any of them. Taylor, Vincent and Sapp were either hurt and/or relatively un-effective for their new teams this year. [/b] If the cap is at 85 mil, then we have enough room to re-sign our guys(Rudi,TJ,Braham, and Watson) and still add a good FA or two. I can't wait to see how everything unfolds. [right][post="36706"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] i know kelly can't catch a cold, he's probably one of the best blocking te's in the league... i can see us getting rid of stewart and/or shoebel though, and drafting a more complete te for the future (i hope)... your right on about the expensive free agents... even deltha got a little banged up... but those other guys didn't do shit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 Watch Marvin this coming season. Marvin is a nice man, BUT he will cut anyone and everyone who gets in his way of saving/making money for new players. He is like a hammerhead shark. He is ALL business. He will make cuts without blinking one eye. If he wants someone for this coming season in free agency, he will get him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest OneHeartBeat Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 I must say I was uite shocked at Reggie Kellys cap hit. He's not very affective in the passing game. Yes he can block, but that seems like an awful lot of money to pay a guy who can block. That kind of cap hit would be better used with Rudi IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oldschooler Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 [quote name='typaul' date='Jan 18 2005, 10:00 PM']I must say I was uite shocked at Reggie Kellys cap hit. He's not very affective in the passing game. Yes he can block, but that seems like an awful lot of money to pay a guy who can block. That kind of cap hit would be better used with Rudi IMO. [right][post="36818"][/post][/right][/quote] Yeah I think they should cut Reggie Kelly without a doubt. The past 2 seasons combined he has caught 28 passes for 166 yards and 1 TD (that he caught last year). Tony Stewart the past 2 seasons caught 32 passes for 266 yards and 1 TD (that he caught this season). The 2 of them combined in 2004 had 25 catches for 132 yards and 1 TD. The Bengals spent $2+ million for THAT ???? Hell I would think about cutting them BOTH. But Tony Stewart isn`t making much really and he has been in the system for 3 seasons already. But Reggie Kelly is NO threat and in no way should he even see that much money in his lifetime... MUCH LESS MAKE IT !!!!!! [img]http://www.imagemagician.com/images/nebsmak/emotes/nah.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Henrys Dealer Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 You can't cut Tony Stewart! His nominee just made NFL Teacher of the Year! You cut him now, where is Hobson going to drudge up feel good stories crap during the rest of the offseason?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NASTYNATI Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 [quote name='Stanley Wilson's Dealer' date='Jan 19 2005, 11:41 AM']You can't cut Tony Stewart! His nominee just made NFL Teacher of the Year! You cut him now, where is Hobson going to drudge up feel good stories crap during the rest of the offseason?!?! [right][post="36874"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] wow, big willie is delivering a punishing blow to the cap...lol he better be glad we like him and he plays hurt... [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/3.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 I agree that Reggie Kelley makes WAY to much money for his output. Cut his ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_dish Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 My manbags crawl into my stomach every time I see Hardy's salary. Thats scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest OneHeartBeat Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 [quote name='big_dish' date='Jan 20 2005, 03:28 AM']My manbags crawl into my stomach every time I see Hardy's salary. Thats scary. [right][post="37114"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] He's another one that needs to be cut, along with Kase, Richardson, Tony Williams, Kelly, that could free up some cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalsCat Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 Schooler I got a ? for you... If we franchise rudi. He cant walk can he unless we trade him?? like another team cant sign him even for a first and third right?? << that is only for top tendered RFA? So if we franchise him he either signs the tender or sits out right? Thanks man i know u will have an answer or atleast be able to find one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oldschooler Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 [quote name='BengalsCat' date='Jan 20 2005, 02:08 PM']Schooler I got a ? for you... If we franchise rudi. He cant walk can he unless we trade him?? like another team cant sign him even for a first and third right?? << that is only for top tendered RFA? So if we franchise him he either signs the tender or sits out right? Thanks man i know u will have an answer or atleast be able to find one [right][post="37291"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] This is what I found. The franchise tag is the average of the five highest-paid players at the position, and the transition tag is the average of the 10 highest-paid players at the position. If a club designates a player "tagged," the team's salary cap is charged the value of the tag. In some cases, the difference between the franchise price and the transition price is so minimal, it just makes sense to use the higher number. [b]A "franchise" player is bound to the team assigning him this designation. He can solicit offers from other teams, but can switch addresses only if the team he wishes to join can compensate his former team with two first-round draft choices, or if the teams can work out a trade. [/b] Yeah basically he plays for the money (top 5) or he sits out. After the tag has been placed on him, he can try to get other teams to trade 2 first round picks for him...but more than likely that wouldn`t happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalsCat Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 Thats what it was 2 first round picks.... i knew it was first and third that seemed to light .... thanks man... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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