Posted February 25, 200718 yr comment_445541 [url="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/nfl_experts/post/Johnson-shows-off-his-speed?urn=nfl,25019"]Yahoo! Sports[/url] [quote]INDIANAPOLIS -- Georgia Tech wide receiver Calvin Johnson, who opted to run the 40-yard dash with his group just minutes before it walked to the starting line, astounded everyone in attendance at the NFL scouting combine on Sunday by gliding to a time between 4.31 and 4.35 seconds. Johnson actually borrowed the running shoes of a friend, James Pinkney, the quarterback from East Carolina, who would later use them for his own workout. It obviously wasn't the shoes since Pinkney was timed in the 4.7 range. Johnson told his agent that he wanted to run after seeing how many familiar NFL faces he saw in the stands that lined the 40-yard dash path. He will work out again at his pro day on March 15.[/quote] I never thought at his size he would be able to put up a number like that. Is this guy now the greatest WR prospect in NFL history?
February 25, 200718 yr comment_445542 I was watching the NFL Network when he ran, they said unofficial at 4.35 with official being around 4.37-38 somewhere around there. I know it is splitting hairs but he didnt run a 4.30 thats for sure, I think yahoo is just trying to get people to read their articles Adrian Peterson just ran a 4.38, thats alright I guess
February 25, 200718 yr comment_445581 Based on that logic, Artrell Hawkins was one of the best cornerback prospects ever. We totally should have drafted Hawkins. Our front office sucks.
February 26, 200718 yr comment_445703 Just curious on who is the better WR prospect then? The only one I can think of right now would be Keyshawn (sp.) Johnson. The knock on him was his speed... and well, it still is. You can't teach speed. You can teach running technique, but you're either fast, or you're not. I believe MasterShake was asking because of all the press Johnson gets... supposebly a bad ass on the field and all that stuff... then he runs a QUICK AS HELL 40 time. Why couldn't he be considered one of the better WR prospects ever? The guy has the size (height and weight) and now has proved he has the speed to be one of the best in the NFL. His statistics back up his play on the field, too. Plus, Calvin Johnson is built like a Greek god. Amazing physique. The thing with Johnson right now is his supposed route running???? That's what I heard anyway. Good thing you can coach that up and fix the problem in a season. Whoever drafts Johnson is going to get one hell of a playmaker, barring injury. [quote name='Scoutforlife591' post='445581' date='Feb 25 2007, 04:53 PM']Based on that logic, Artrell Hawkins was one of the best cornerback prospects ever. We totally should have drafted Hawkins. Our front office sucks.[/quote] There's two "that"s in your sig by the way
February 26, 200718 yr comment_445764 [quote name='Tigris' post='445703' date='Feb 25 2007, 08:34 PM']Just curious on who is the better WR prospect then? The only one I can think of right now would be Keyshawn (sp.) Johnson. The knock on him was his speed... and well, it still is. You can't teach speed. You can teach running technique, but you're either fast, or you're not. I believe MasterShake was asking because of all the press Johnson gets... supposebly a bad ass on the field and all that stuff... then he runs a QUICK AS HELL 40 time. Why couldn't he be considered one of the better WR prospects ever? The guy has the size (height and weight) and now has proved he has the speed to be one of the best in the NFL. His statistics back up his play on the field, too. Plus, Calvin Johnson is built like a Greek god. Amazing physique. The thing with Johnson right now is his supposed route running???? That's what I heard anyway. Good thing you can coach that up and fix the problem in a season. Whoever drafts Johnson is going to get one hell of a playmaker, barring injury. There's two "that"s in your sig by the way[/quote] Detroit has three Calvin Johnson "Can't Miss" Wideouts in their lineup with Jon Kitna as QB. How's that working out for them?
February 26, 200718 yr comment_445765 I can't wait till his pro day to see if he does have a 40+ vertical. Yes the guy is a freak!!!!!
February 26, 200718 yr comment_445766 Johnson is not the best wr prospect ever.He is not even the best wr prospect this year.Jarret is
February 26, 200718 yr comment_445767 [quote name='schotzee' post='445766' date='Feb 25 2007, 11:51 PM']Johnson is not the best wr prospect ever.He is not even the best wr prospect this year.Jarret is[/quote] I really hope your not serious
February 26, 200718 yr comment_445770 [quote name='bengalsdave985' post='445767' date='Feb 25 2007, 11:00 PM']I really hope your not serious[/quote] I was thinking the same thing.
February 26, 200718 yr comment_445771 [quote name='Bunghole' post='445764' date='Feb 25 2007, 10:46 PM']Detroit has three Calvin Johnson "Can't Miss" Wideouts in their lineup with Jon Kitna as QB. How's that working out for them?[/quote] Charles Rogers had character flaws coming out of school, too. A bit of a cocky side... guy didn't think he had to work for anything. Got him pretty far, you're right on that. He wasn't technically sound. Tried to go deep every time. Mike Williams had to sit out a full season before the draft. He wasn't necessarily a burner either, unlike Johnson. Didn't he have some weight problems, too, as well as a questionable work ethic? And Roy Williams is one of the best in the NFL. Pretty sure they did well picking this guy. And what does Jon Kitna have anything to do with Calvin Johnson and what we're discussing? I just wasted my time replying to this.
February 26, 200718 yr comment_445825 [quote name='bengalsdave985' post='445767' date='Feb 25 2007, 11:00 PM']I really hope your not serious[/quote] [quote name='Kochman' post='445770' date='Feb 25 2007, 11:13 PM']I was thinking the same thing.[/quote] Maybe I'm off my hinges I was serious.You think Johnson is that much better and Jarret's not comparable because of talent or character?They say Jarret's a very good route runner with good hands.Speed may be in question though.
February 26, 200718 yr comment_445841 When they were showing Jarret highlights he did well against off coverage. But they showed him against Arkansas and Chris Houston in press coverage, and Houston owned him.
February 26, 200718 yr comment_445882 [quote name='Jason' post='445841' date='Feb 26 2007, 08:40 AM']When they were showing Jarret highlights he did well against off coverage. But they showed him against Arkansas and Chris Houston in press coverage, and Houston owned him.[/quote] Sounds like a combination of maybe soft and slow then.
February 26, 200718 yr comment_446061 [quote name='schotzee' post='445882' date='Feb 26 2007, 11:13 AM']Sounds like a combination of maybe soft and slow then.[/quote] I just think CJ has the chance to be very special. Comparing to Jarrett: Speed is hands down not even close in CJ's favor Johnson is much more physical at the line as some on here have already said, DJ exceled against off coverage I have a personal family interst to GT football so I have seen almost every game over the last 2 seasons. This is all my opinion and by no means is what I say the gospel: CJ has far superior body control, change of direction is better, run after catch is better. His ability to go get the ball at its highest point is second to none, In the Gator Bowl they just threw one up down the middle, everyone on WVU knew where it was going and he went up b/t 3 guys and caught it for a TD. I think he played better competion on a far weaker team with a terrible QB that couldnt even comp. 50% of his passes. When I say better competion I am looking at the style of D and not really the players, ACC and SEC play the most press coverage with safety help of any conference. The Pac 10 plays alot of off coverage to avoid the deep ball. I see Johnson as someone who can just take over a game, watching GT games everyone there knew where the ball was going and they still couldnt stop him. At USC they cant double Jarrett or Smith will kill you, they cant play Nickel or one of their 8 backs will gash you, they have a much better O-line and a way better QB I am not saying Jarrett will suck I just really like Johnson and would call him the best pro prospect at his position that I have seen in at least the last 5 yrs.
February 26, 200718 yr comment_446077 What I have seen of Calvin Johnson, he reminds me of a cross between Jerry Rice, TO and Chad. I don't know if he has the work ethic Rice had, but he has the hands (or close) and a lot of the other Rice intangibles. He has the size of TO. He has the speed of Chad. If he doesn't turn out to be one of the best WRs of all time it's his own fault (barring injury).
February 26, 200718 yr comment_446109 There has been no one with Calvin Johnsons size 6-5 235 ,speed 4.35 , hands , leaping ability and character . You can stroll down the list the past 30 years its not even close.
February 26, 200718 yr comment_446128 Yeah, reading it again, I see that my title was slightly misleading, and maybe he's not QUITE at 4.31, but I still don't think anyone in NFL history compares to Calvin from a purely physical standpoint. I mean, almost everyone considers Moss and TO among the most gifted (well, probably THE 2 most gifted) WRs ever, and Calvin's numbers blow them out of the water. Oh yeah, and he also put up ridiculous numbers in the ACC catching throws from dogshit passer Reggie Ball. I think Jarrett is a tremendous WR as well, and will be am outstanding possession guy with his long arms and flypaper hands, but Johnson is in another class as far as speed and power. I know 40 times are meaningless, but I'm still floored that a guy built like TO can run like Deion Sanders. Watching him play, I never realized how fast he was.
February 27, 200718 yr comment_446188 Calvin Johnson is by far and away the best receiver prospect ever. Dwayne Jarrett can and will never be able to hold his jock. Johnson has better size, speed, hands, work ethic and character. If Johnson had the quarterbacks that Jarrett has had throughout his career, he would already be in the hall of fame.
February 27, 200718 yr comment_446189 [quote name='Master Shake' post='446128' date='Feb 26 2007, 04:42 PM']Yeah, reading it again, I see that my title was slightly misleading, and maybe he's not QUITE at 4.31, but I still don't think anyone in NFL history compares to Calvin from a purely physical standpoint. I mean, almost everyone considers Moss and TO among the most gifted (well, probably THE 2 most gifted) WRs ever, and Calvin's numbers blow them out of the water. Oh yeah, and he also put up ridiculous numbers in the ACC catching throws from dogshit passer Reggie Ball. I think Jarrett is a tremendous WR as well, and will be am outstanding possession guy with his long arms and flypaper hands, but Johnson is in another class as far as speed and power. I know 40 times are meaningless, but I'm still floored that a guy built like TO can run like Deion Sanders. Watching him play, I never realized how fast he was.[/quote] Calvin's a great prospect, no doubt. He just ran at the Combine (and with someone else's shoes!), but overall, I think last year's workout by Vernon Davis was an all-timer. Maybe the best overall workout in the history of the Combine! You can't discount Dwayne Jarrett's productivity and big-play ability, but there are some questions about his speed (Mayock mentioned that he'd heard rumblings that he was running in the 4.7 range at the camp where's he preparing for the draft). Jarrett was interviewed this week, and he mentioned in the Arkansas game where Houston ate him up that he was only 75%, and was being used as a decoy more than anything. Who knows if that's BS or not. That said, he did play a great game against Leon Hall in the Rose Bowl... and Hall's a great college corner and a very good pro prospect... so Jarrett is certainly not a stiff. But I'd take Calvin Johnson, for sure. In the games I saw, he was like a man playing with a bunch of Pee Wee football players. Just dominant.
February 27, 200718 yr comment_446596 [quote name='Tigris' post='445703' date='Feb 25 2007, 08:34 PM']The thing with Johnson right now is his supposed route running???? That's what I heard anyway. Good thing you can coach that up and fix the problem in a season. Whoever drafts Johnson is going to get one hell of a playmaker, barring injury.[/quote] Route running for Johnson is only as much of a question as it is for any other wideout coming into the NFL. You don't have the same kind of questions about his route running ability as you do with, say, Ginn's (i.e. he didn't have as much WR experience and didn't run a whole lot of routes). It's certainly not his greatest strength but the only WRs in the class who I would think of as better route runners are Dwayne Bowe and Anthony Gonzalez. And Calvin is apparently a really smart guy along with his work ethic so he should be a very coachable player. I think he's without a doubt the #1 prospect in the draft. [quote name='bengalsdave985' post='446061' date='Feb 26 2007, 03:28 PM']I think he played better competion on a far weaker team with a terrible QB that couldnt even comp. 50% of his passes. When I say better competion I am looking at the style of D and not really the players, ACC and SEC play the most press coverage with safety help of any conference. The Pac 10 plays alot of off coverage to avoid the deep ball.[/quote] Agreed, Reggie Ball was absolutely fucking terrible. Just by watching the sophomore kid that came in for the bowl game (can't remember his name) you got a great perspective on how bad Reggie Ball was. Here's a kid who doesn't have a college start, but he comes in and puts up big numbers, and when he's in trouble he knows he can just throw a jump ball to Calvin Johnson ala Culpepper to Moss, a concept that Ball never seemed to grasp. In the games I watched he would unfailingly just tuck the ball and use his blazing 4.8 40 speed (that's what he ran at the combine ) to run for a yard or so before going down.
February 28, 200718 yr comment_446791 [quote name='akiliMVP' post='446188' date='Feb 26 2007, 08:20 PM']Calvin Johnson is by far and away the best receiver prospect ever. Dwayne Jarrett can and will never be able to hold his jock. Johnson has better size, speed, hands, work ethic and character. If Johnson had the quarterbacks that Jarrett has had throughout his career, he would already be in the hall of fame.[/quote] Well,I guess we'll see.I don't get to watch a lot of college football any more,but looking at stats I see Jarrett was a big time producer in the big games for them.
March 15, 200718 yr comment_457203 Calvin Johnson's pro day numbers.... Johnson, whom some people think is the most talented player in the draft, had a broad jump of [b]11 feet 7 inches.[/b] That's the best broad jump I can ever remember an NFL prospect having. And his vertical jump was outstanding, too (42½ inches). And he looked very good catching the ball while running routes. [url="http://www.nfl.com/draft/analysis/individual_workouts#GAtech"]http://www.nfl.com/draft/analysis/individual_workouts#GAtech[/url] He is going to fuck the NFL up. I don't remember there ever being a better prospect in the draft than Calvin Johnson. His size, speed, jumping ability, hands, route running and attitude are absolutely perfect. He's like a combination of TO, Larry Fitzgerald and Marvin Harrison.
March 15, 200718 yr comment_457211 I was reading one of my draft preview magazines I got last night, and for Calvin Johnson under Weaknesses it said: "None visible". I have never seen that about a prospect before. [b]NEVER.[/b]
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