911 call: TX man shoots robbers with shotgun

[rudi32]

i have always respected the waffen shutzstaffel, not the totenkopfverbindung. there were 2 divisions of the schutzstaffel, the waffen was the military wing, i wouldnt mide leading a panzer regiment, obertsurmfuhrer

[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obersturmf%C3%BChrer"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obersturmf%C3%BChrer[/url]

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[quote name='rudi32' post='601813' date='Nov 30 2007, 08:56 PM']i have always respected the waffen shutzstaffel, not the totenkopfverbindung. there were 2 divisions of the schutzstaffel, the waffen was the military wing, i wouldnt mide leading a panzer regiment, obertsurmfuhrer

[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obersturmf%C3%BChrer"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obersturmf%C3%BChrer[/url][/quote]
The Nazi Wermacht was pretty impressive, and hard not to admire from a military perspective. But as always, evil loses in the end. And in the Nazis case, it was due to political interference in military matters from politicians (Hitler), incompetence (Hitler), overreaching (Hitler) and the destruction of industrial complexes (Allies).

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[quote name='Bunghole' post='600541' date='Nov 27 2007, 10:50 PM']People have the right to shoot someone that trespasses into their home.
People should NOT shoot someone that is robbing their neighbor's home, ESPECIALLY in this instance where the robbers were fleeing the scene. And ESPECIALLY not to kill.
If it had been me, IN MY HOME, if I had time to choose, I would have likely taken their kneecaps out with my shotgun. Yeah, they'll never walk again, but they'll live.
This hearkens back to the Bernie Goetz case (sp?), where an armed civlian shot two thugs that threatened him with a screwdriver on a subway...
I don't know.
Some of this breaches those grey areas in life where right and wrong become blurred an sometimes people just act, rightly or wrongly.
I keep a shotgun in the house for home defense and for any eventuality (such as a worst-case scenario of Katrina-like proportions where there may be rampant looting, rape, etc) and I have every right to, but there are responsibilities that go with gun ownership and many gun owners are too trigger happy.
But there are also those that are pussified liberals that think nobody should own a gun, and they are just as wrong.
This country was founded on the principle that people have the right to defend themselves, with deadly force if necessary.
Unfortunately, in this era of shoot first and ask questions later, common sense was thrown out with the bathwater.
But, you also never know what the intention of someone is that is threatening you or your family, so sometimes you have to make a pre-emptive judgement call and live with it.

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For the most part, I agree with you.

But rudi32 has a good point about shooting to disable, especially with a shotgun. I've got a 12 gauge shotgun, 3.5" chamber, 00 buck precisely so I don't have to aim. It's strictly reflexive firing, point and shoot. No sight alignment or sight picture, body position, breath control, trigger squeeze. Point and shoot...then multiple, scattering, hot metal projectiles do the rest...through anything in my house...except the exterior, brick walls.

There is no reason for anyone to be in my house without an invitation. That includes 17 year old, first time offenders. Sure, he might go on to do great things after making a mistake or he could be taking his first step to becoming a career criminal; can't determine that during a break in. If he makes a run for the door, keep running; make a break for my family...then it's "Say hello to my little friend" time.

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[quote name='ThurmanMunster' post='600627' date='Nov 28 2007, 01:58 AM']tell him to put his ass on the ground face first with his arms and legs spread. i would then call 911 and [b]put the gun to the back of his head[/b] until the police arrived. if he made a move at all id hit him in the back of the head with the gun.[/quote]
Here is a thing about firearms. The rounds travel hundreds to thousands of feet per second after exiting the muzzle. There is no need to get within his arm's reach. Some stand off gives you time to react. Stand right on top of him...a seconds worth of distraction...and you're fucked because now you're both struggling for control of the gun.

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[quote name='rudi32' post='600652' date='Nov 28 2007, 04:34 AM']if the suspect runs away, i would secure my weapon and chase him down.

you can not shoot a fleeing suspect, unless ur life is in danger ....for example, the suspect is running away, but still shooting at u.


if the suspect ran toward me with my firearm out, i would do what I could not to shoot, but if he went for my weapon i would shoot,. at that time u could articulate that the suspect may have a chance to take your weapon or assault u.

hope that answers[/quote]
Start to finish...impressive.

Every gun owner should be this responsible.

Unfortunately, they're not.

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[quote name='Actium' post='600798' date='Nov 28 2007, 02:19 PM']My solution: the government laces drugs with a poison that causes extreme sickness in its users, and then distributes them on the street. The first time it is used it causes only the sickness; as more is ingested it will prove fatal.

I call it Operation: Clockwork Orange.[/quote]
This reminds me of Operation Chunky Peanut Butter.

Problem: Rented a house in college with 3 friends. Someone is eating everyone else's food, but no one admits who it is.

Solution: Take one bottle of syrup of ipecac, one half eaten jar of [b]MY[/b] peanut butter. Shaken, not stirred. Sit back and watch the hilarity ensue.

Three days later, mystery and problem solved.

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[quote name='B.A.B.' post='601013' date='Nov 29 2007, 08:58 AM']The prestigious British medical journal called [i]The Lancet[/i] has this to say about that: "The smoking of cannabis, even long term, is not harmful to health."[/quote]

[quote]As pointed out by Merete Nordentoft and Carsten Hjorthøj in a Comment, “published in this week's Lancet is the most comprehensive meta-analysis to date of a possible causal relation between cannabis use and psychotic and affective illness later in life”. In their systematic review, Theresa Moore and colleagues found “an increase in risk of psychosis of about 40% in participants who had ever used cannabis”, and a clear dose-response effect with an increased risk of 50–200% in the most frequent users.
In 1995, we began a Lancet [b]editorial[/b] with the since much-quoted words: “The smoking of cannabis, even long term, is not harmful to health.” Research published since 1995, including Moore's systematic review in this issue, leads us now to conclude that cannabis use could increase the risk of psychotic illness. Further research is needed on the effects of cannabis on affective disorders. The Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs will have plenty to consider. But whatever their eventual recommendation, governments would do well to invest in sustained and effective education campaigns on the risks to health of taking cannabis.
The Lancet 2007; 370:292[/quote]

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[quote name='CTBengalsFan' post='601018' date='Nov 29 2007, 09:08 AM']Something people never think about: Alcohol is the only drug that [i]inhibits[/i] brain function. Others overload pleasurable neurotransmitters. Big difference.[/quote]
You can't be this niave.

Remember that stuff you quoted about dopamine from the [url="http://www.nature.com/bjp/journal/v143/n2/full/0705931a.html"]British Journal of Pharmacology[/url]?

If you had read the abstract of that article you might have noticed this conclusion, "THC alters the activity of these central reward pathways [of the brain] in a manner that is consistent with other abused drugs."

I normally don't read The Lancet, but I do read literature from:

[url="http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/category/13625.html"]The American Medical Association[/url]

[url="http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/marijuana.html"]The National Institute of Health[/url]

[url="http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/NEWS/2006/NEW01362.html"]The Food and Drug Administration[/url]

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[quote name='B.A.B.' post='601276' date='Nov 29 2007, 07:59 PM']If the speed limit is 35, then I'll probably drive 20 for a couple of miles before I notice how slow I'm going.[/quote]
That's because your brain is impaired.

[url="http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic265.htm"]http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic265.htm[/url]

[quote]Studies using simulated driving and flying situations have shown that the use of cannabis has a profound effect on estimations of time and distance and causes impairment of attention and short-term memory.[/quote]

It also induces perceptual changes. Just because you [i]believe[/i] your driving is better doesn't necessarily make it [i]true.[/i]

If you won't listen to Bung's advice, which is pretty good whether you realize it yet or not, then smoke a bowl on your couch...and stay there.

The only thing worse than killing yourself in a car accident, would be killing someone else.

[ThurmanMunster]

[quote name='LoyalFanInGA v2.0' post='601883' date='Dec 1 2007, 01:11 AM']Here is a thing about firearms. The rounds travel hundreds to thousands of feet per second after exiting the muzzle. There is no need to get within his arm's reach. Some stand off gives you time to react. [b]Stand right on top of him...a seconds worth of distraction...and you're fucked because now you're both struggling for control of the gun.[/b][/quote]
trust me, no one is going to budge if im on top of them

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[quote name='CTBengalsFan' post='601627' date='Nov 30 2007, 02:04 PM']Should we do the same to Big Macs? So fat people can stop increasing my health insurance costs?[/quote]
What's your monthly health insurance premium?

[rudi32]

how the fu-- do u insert a youtube?

i went to "insert you tube, then pasted the video, and it gave me this blank ass page"..............

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[quote name='ThurmanMunster' post='601897' date='Dec 1 2007, 02:02 AM']trust me, no one is going to budge if im on top of them [/quote]
I've pretty much heard and seen that before.

Overconfidence is a weakness waiting to be used against you.

But, what do former Army Rangers know about CQB and controlling and searching hostages?

[ThurmanMunster]

[quote name='LoyalFanInGA v2.0' post='601901' date='Dec 1 2007, 02:12 AM'][b]I've pretty much heard and seen that before.

Overconfidence is a weakness waiting to be used against you.[/b]

But, what do former Army Rangers know about CQB and controlling and searching hostages?[/quote]
it was a fat joke about myself


in all seriousness im definitely confident in my one on one fighting skills, but i never underestimate an enemy.

[quote name='rudi32' post='601899' date='Dec 1 2007, 02:09 AM'][url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBqZs7oGPZQ"][/quote]
here you go





and i had no idea that racist fuck DAC looked like that. lol

[rudi32]

thx thurman

im on my 5th warsteiner and went from primus to david allen coe.

man my musical taste are far reaching

thx again

[ThurmanMunster]

[quote name='rudi32' post='601905' date='Dec 1 2007, 02:20 AM']thx thurman

im on my 5th warsteiner and went from primus to david allen coe.

man my musical taste are far reaching

thx again [/quote]
he has some funny shit, but im not fond of his racist stuff.

[rudi32]

that song isnt racist though



although since this thread is going hay wire...


what side

confederate or federal if u lived in 1861?


and why

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[quote name='Actium' post='601638' date='Nov 30 2007, 02:15 PM']Big Macs are already poison.

And if you think health insurance costs would go down, you're fooling yourself. Do you know why health insurance is so high? Because the prices hospitals charge them. Do you know why hospitals charge so much? Because they know the insurance companies will pay. And who ultimately pays? Why, the consumer of course.[/quote]
I know I'm preaching to the choir with you about insurance companies, but...

Hospital charge so much because insurance companies reimburse for less than the cost.

Hospitals have to charge more to break even. Hospitals have to charge even more to make a profit. You don't get the latest equipment and best doctors without $$$.

Insurance companies require me to order A and B when I really want to order C, but if I don't order A and B the insurance company won't preauthorize C. So instead of paying for just C, you're paying for A, B, and C.

Same with meds. I want to prescribe Z, the latest studies indicate it works better. But, the insurance companies require you try X and Y first and if your condition/symptom doesn't respond then you can take Z.

If you selected an HMO instead of a PPO, I can't refer you to a specialist. You have to pay for another appt with your primary care doctor so he can refer you to a specialist. Now you're paying for 3 doctors appts instead of 2, at a minimum.

[rudi32]

probably the best song ever

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e0EQlQXoEo"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e0EQlQXoEo[/url]

ill stop now..lol

[ThurmanMunster]

this thread has become the general discussion board on its own lol

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[quote name='ThurmanMunster' post='601904' date='Dec 1 2007, 02:18 AM']it was a fat joke about myself


in all seriousness im definitely confident in my one on one fighting skills, but i never underestimate an enemy.[/quote]

Ahhh...I gotcha now.

[ThurmanMunster]

[quote name='LoyalFanInGA v2.0' post='601913' date='Dec 1 2007, 02:31 AM']Ahhh...I gotcha now.[/quote]
me and Jason Bourne have the same initials and its not a coincidence

[rudi32]

[quote name='ThurmanMunster' post='601911' date='Dec 1 2007, 02:30 AM']this thread has become the general discussion board on its own lol[/quote]


lol

beer will do that

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since we are posting weird garbage/shit.