msharp16 Posted December 22, 2007 Report Share Posted December 22, 2007 Rd. 1 Vernon Gholston DE/OLB Ohio State MEASUREMENTS HEIGHT 6'4" WEIGHT 265 40 TIME 4.75 [img]http://media.scout.com/media/image/37/378356.jpg[/img] Rd. 2 Jonathon Goff MLB Vanderbilt MEASUREMENTS HEIGHT 6'4" WEIGHT 240 40 TIME 4.70 [img]http://www.vanderbilt.edu/commodores/football/FB060909/images/AL21.jpg[/img] Rd. 3 Dre Moore DT Maryland ----- Has the size and athleticism to play DE MEASUREMENTS HEIGHT 6'4" WEIGHT 298 40 TIME 4.82 [img]http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/md/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/213247.jpeg[/img] Rd. 4 Kendal Langford DE Hampton ----- A true 3-4 DE MEASUREMENTS HEIGHT 6'6" WEIGHT 295 40 TIME 4.97 [img]http://www.nfldraftdog.com/images/Kendall-Langford.jpg[/img] Rd. 5 Kirk Barton OT Ohio State MEASUREMENTS HEIGHT 6-6 WEIGHT 310 40 TIME 5.30 [img]http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/20/202161.jpg[/img] Rd. 6 Dexter Jackson WR Appalachian State MEASUREMENTS HEIGHT 5-10 WEIGHT 185 40 TIME 4.35 [img]http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/apmegasports/200709011334488994741-pf.widec.jpg[/img] Rd. 7 Joe Jon Finley TE Oklahoma MEASUREMENTS HEIGHT 6-6 WEIGHT 260 40 TIME 4.85 [img]http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/okla/sports/m-footbl/auto_action/1391868.jpeg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akiliMVP Posted December 22, 2007 Report Share Posted December 22, 2007 Dre Moore is a 1st round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted December 22, 2007 Report Share Posted December 22, 2007 I like it for the most part, though I think OLB is a bigger need than MLB. Other than that, I like the players mentioned (that I know), though some seem out of place from what I've read. Dre Moore is a mid-second rounder at worst. Barton will be gone by round 4, Goff is probably a late second rather than an early second, and as you mentioned, Langford is suited for a 3-4, which we don't play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejungle05 Posted December 22, 2007 Report Share Posted December 22, 2007 Jackson out of appla. state will be a stud wr in the NFL. Will be a steal if taken past the 3rd round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyrid Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 I like the players but, as others have mentioned, most of those guys will be long gone by the time you have the Bengals picking them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Tigers Johnson| Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 Depending on what our D coordinator is going to change to going to use scheme wise: If we go 3-4 I want Keith Rivers in the 1st If we go 4-3 I want Vernon Gholston in the 1st 2nd Round I want Owen Schmitt FB WV and cut Jermei Johnsons over paid under used ass. Both of these picks would bring a little toughness to both side of the ball....especially to our running game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 [quote name='Tigers Johnson' post='619317' date='Jan 5 2008, 07:00 PM']Depending on what our D coordinator is going to change to going to use scheme wise: If we go 3-4 I want Keith Rivers in the 1st If we go 4-3 I want Vernon Gholston in the 1st 2nd Round I want Owen Schmitt FB WV and cut Jermei Johnsons over paid under used ass. Both of these picks would bring a little toughness to both side of the ball....especially to our running game.[/quote] umm Owen will still be there in the 3rd, if not 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Tigers Johnson| Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 [quote name='Bengals1181' post='619323' date='Jan 5 2008, 07:18 PM']umm Owen will still be there in the 3rd, if not 4th.[/quote] After that bowl performance I would'nt doubt he will be gone before we draft in the second... Care to make a friendly wager on it?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyrid Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 [quote name='Tigers Johnson' post='619324' date='Jan 5 2008, 07:21 PM']After that bowl performance I would'nt doubt he will be gone before we draft in the second... Care to make a friendly wager on it??[/quote] If he doesn't, I will. There is no way in hell Owen Schmidt goes in the top 40 picks. That's ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 [quote name='Tigers Johnson' post='619324' date='Jan 5 2008, 07:21 PM']After that bowl performance I would'nt doubt he will be gone before we draft in the second... Care to make a friendly wager on it??[/quote] Its tempting to take that better. Considering Schmidt was a 4th rounder at best BEFORE that bowl game, I highly doubt he'll jump up to a second. Teams don't take fullbacks that high, especially since the fullback is a dying breed. What do you have in mind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoutforlife591 Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 [quote name='akiliMVP' post='612505' date='Dec 22 2007, 07:54 AM']Dre Moore is a 1st round pick.[/quote] I think he's a 2nd with a good chance to go in the first. But he more likely grades out as a second Rd pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akiliMVP Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 [quote name='Tigers Johnson' post='619317' date='Jan 5 2008, 07:00 PM']Depending on what our D coordinator is going to change to going to use scheme wise: If we go 3-4 I want Keith Rivers in the 1st If we go 4-3 I want Vernon Gholston in the 1st 2nd Round I want Owen Schmitt FB WV and cut Jermei Johnsons over paid under used ass. Both of these picks would bring a little toughness to both side of the ball....especially to our running game.[/quote] I think you have that backasswards. Rivers has no place in a 3-4, and Gholston probably fits best in a 3-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Tigers Johnson| Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 [quote name='akiliMVP' post='619661' date='Jan 6 2008, 01:47 PM']I think you have that backasswards. Rivers has no place in a 3-4, and Gholston probably fits best in a 3-4.[/quote] No way they move him to an OLB and he is way too small to be a DE in the 3-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akiliMVP Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 [quote name='Tigers Johnson' post='619728' date='Jan 6 2008, 06:21 PM']No way they move him to an OLB and he is way too small to be a DE in the 3-4.[/quote] Are you serious? Gholston's best spot is at linebacker in a 3-4. If anything he's too undersized to be an end in a 4-3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 [quote name='akiliMVP' post='619778' date='Jan 6 2008, 10:13 PM']Are you serious? Gholston's best spot is at linebacker in a 3-4. [b]If anything he's too undersized to be an end in a 4-3.[/b][/quote] tell that to freeney and mathis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akiliMVP Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 [quote name='Bengals1181' post='619779' date='Jan 6 2008, 10:18 PM']tell that to freeney and mathis.[/quote] I'm not saying he's too undersized to be a 4-3 end. What I was trying to say is that he's a better fit in the 3-4 at linebacker than in the 4-3 at end. Tigers Johnson says there is "No Way" they move him to linebacker, when clearly it's his best fit. You can't argue that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Tigers Johnson| Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 [quote name='akiliMVP' post='619784' date='Jan 6 2008, 10:35 PM']I'm not saying he's too undersized to be a 4-3 end. What I was trying to say is that he's a better fit in the 3-4 at linebacker than in the 4-3 at end. Tigers Johnson says there is "No Way" they move him to linebacker, when clearly it's his best fit. You can't argue that.[/quote] Yeah, thats all we need is another David Pollack or Reinard Wilson. We have a good history of developing talent and helping players change position. IMHO doing this to Gholston would be another in a long line of major disasters. I stand by my analysis Gholston as an end in the 4 - 3 or Rivers as a LB in the 3 - 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akiliMVP Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 [quote name='Tigers Johnson' post='619851' date='Jan 7 2008, 08:36 AM']Yeah, thats all we need is another David Pollack or Reinard Wilson. We have a good history of developing talent and helping players change position. IMHO doing this to Gholston would be another in a long line of major disasters. I stand by my analysis Gholston as an end in the 4 - 3 or Rivers as a LB in the 3 - 4.[/quote] Gholston was a linebacker in high school. That's what he was recruited to play. And I'm pretty sure I never said he couldn't play in a 4-3, I said he fits better in a 3-4. You have never seen either one play have you? How does Rivers, a 230 pound outside linebacker with limited pass rush ability, fit in a 3-4? And Gholston, a 260 pound pass rushing athletic freak, not fit in a 3-4 at linebacker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Tigers Johnson| Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 If we stay with the 4 - 3 Gholston would be our Dwight Freeney type of rush end who can also hold the point of attack in the rush game. This team can not afford to try and change another player to LB with all the history of disasters and lack of ability to develop talent in the front 7. Rivers has already played and played well in the 4 - 3 in college. It stands to reason he could bring that attitude and fire to play the 3 - 4 in the pros. You know no better than I if he could excel in the 3 - 4 since he has never played in that defense. Bottom line: The Bengals defense can not afford another "project" in changing Gholston's position. Keith Rivers. right now, is the best linebacker that is eligible for the draft. For all the Sederick Ellis fans, can we really afford to take another player with a large injury history with the problems we already have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akiliMVP Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 [quote name='Tigers Johnson' post='619876' date='Jan 7 2008, 09:45 AM']If we stay with the 4 - 3 Gholston would be our Dwight Freeney type of rush end who can also hold the point of attack in the rush game. This team can not afford to try and change another player to LB with all the history of disasters and lack of ability to develop talent in the front 7. Rivers has already played and played well in the 4 - 3 in college. It stands to reason he could bring that attitude and fire to play the 3 - 4 in the pros. You know no better than I if he could excel in the 3 - 4 since he has never played in that defense. Bottom line: The Bengals defense can not afford another "project" in changing Gholston's position. Keith Rivers. right now, is the best linebacker that is eligible for the draft. For all the Sederick Ellis fans, can we really afford to take another player with a large injury history with the problems we already have.[/quote] Oh I agree that Gholston would be a stud in a 4-3, but what I was addressing was you saying there was no way he could play linebacker. I didn't know that we were arguing what position he would play on the Bengals, because there's no question he would play end. A switch to the 3-4 ain't gonna happen. Rivers has no place in a 3-4. He doesn't have the size, and it would be a waste of his ability. See Jonathan Vilma in New York. Ellis has missed like 4 games in 4 years. Yeah he's had some really minor injuries, but you don't skip a player of his ability because they broke their ankle their freshman year of college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 [quote name='akiliMVP' post='619991' date='Jan 7 2008, 02:16 PM']Oh I agree that Gholston would be a stud in a 4-3, but what I was addressing was you saying there was no way he could play linebacker. I didn't know that we were arguing what position he would play on the Bengals, because there's no question he would play end. A switch to the 3-4 ain't gonna happen. Rivers has no place in a 3-4. He doesn't have the size, and it would be a waste of his ability. See Jonathan Vilma in New York. Ellis has missed like 4 games in 4 years. Yeah he's had some really minor injuries, but you don't skip a player of his ability because they broke their ankle their freshman year of college.[/quote] not to mention Chris Perry is living proof that they're injury history in college (he had none) doesn't necessarily predict how they'll fair in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredtoast Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 [quote name='Tigers Johnson' post='619851' date='Jan 7 2008, 08:36 AM']Yeah, thats all we need is another David Pollack or Reinard Wilson. We have a good history of developing talent and helping players change position. [/quote] Instead of rolling your eyes go back and watch some games from the end of the '05 season. Even though Pollack missed all of training camp, missed some games with injury, and had to learn a new position he was still one of the best players on our defense down the stretch. He had 4 sacks in his last five games and had 8 tkls and a sack in the wildcard game. A player like that would completely transform our defense. however if we do draft another "project" we need to make sure he doesn't miss any of training camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natifanatic Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 If we drafted Gholston and switched him to LB in a 4-3 I would be pissed. Pollack actually got more sacks lining up at DE than when he lined up at LB. It was Pollacks natural position and he created havoc there. Gholston was sick all season, every OSU game I watched he was consistently owning his man and getting pressure, I'd love to keep him stuck at DE. If we draft Gholston I might just go crazy, the guy is the freak of nature that you dream about. And it looks like hes still improving! Too much upside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msharp16 Posted January 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 [quote name='akiliMVP' post='612505' date='Dec 22 2007, 04:54 AM']Dre Moore is a 1st round pick.[/quote] Dre Moore will be lucky to be a DAY one pick. He is not even close to being a first round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 [quote name='msharp16' post='625408' date='Jan 21 2008, 05:31 PM']Dre Moore will be lucky to be a DAY one pick. He is not even close to being a first round pick.[/quote] unless he bombs out at the combine, Moore will be gone by th emiddle of the second round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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