Who is Joe Biden???

[oldschooler]

[quote name='Jamie_B' post='776070' date='May 13 2009, 10:27 PM']Your wrong. The only thing needed was an excuse.[/quote]

How am I wrong?

I said the what you call an excuse, to me is a good reason.
You say it had nothing to do with it. Obviously it did.





[quote]What the fuck does him being an asshole have to do with us going in there?[/quote]

In your eyes, nothing. That's why we keep playing this tennis match of posts.


[quote]*sigh*

[i]But weapons experts cautioned that the shell appeared to predate the 1991 Persian Gulf War and did not necessarily mean that Hussein possessed hidden stockpiles of chemical munitions.[/i]

[url="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33082-2004May17.html"]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...-2004May17.html[/url][/quote]


*sigh*

Was it a WMD?

What about the over 500 0thers?

What about the Sarin U.S. Marines found in Fallujah?

They don't count, huh?

And I have said they didn't find huge stockpiles.
But it wouldn't take huge stockpiles. And after
12 years, Saddam was supposed to have NONE.



[quote]And Im not supprised you buy the propaganda

Do you know anyone who speaks Farsi? Because I do. And what he was saying is that the ruling Zionist party of Israel will disappear in time, much like other ruling parties. It was hopeful, not a threat.[/quote]

That person probably spelled everything right, so you misunderstood.

He said exactly what I typed, word for word.

He was actually quoting Imam Khomeini.

Hopeful and not a threat, huh? haha

Hopeful to Iran and Palestine. Sure. But not a threat to Israel?

Looks like someone is buying propaganda.

[quote]A threat and a hope for the future are not the same thing. However we dont have to use nukes, we used our military to make a regime vanish.[/quote]

Only the ones that need to vanish.




[quote]You get so caught up on the name Sadam, fact is it could have been anyone as the conditions were ripe for it.[/quote]

You specifically said we put HIM in power. Now if not him, someone else.
We are to blame for everything he did. But if it wasn't him, we would be
to blame for everything someone else did. blah blah blah.


[quote]No you making this out to be a good/evil thing is why its john wayne.[/quote]

Where have I ever said good versus evil?

I said he was evil. You assume that I think everything the U.S. does is good.
You have assumed a lot. And even when proven wrong, you continue to assume it.


[quote]I dont deny he was a asshole who did horrible things to his people, but I do deny thats why we went in. And I dont know how many times it needs to be said to you before you get it.[/quote]

Deny it all you want. I got it that you think that a long time ago.
You are the one missing something though.

[quote]I think the chickens are coming home to roost yes, you on the other hand think we play no part in anything and that we are innocent with no blood on our hands at all. Spare me.[/quote]

When did I say we play no part in anything?
Or that we have no innocent blood on our hands?

Again, you are assuming.

I said that his decisions and actions lead to us invading.
Without that, I wouldn't have supported an invasion.
I also said that he could have stopped it, but didn't.
Because in my opinion, his actions and decisions paved
the way. Now you want to act like they are a farce.
And I can not disagree more. So why keep going on
about it?

I guess you don't count all of the people that died from
1991-2003 as blood on our hands? I do. If we had done
what I thought we should have done in 1991, then a lot
of innocent people wouldn't have died and suffered.

Anyway, we are getting nowhere. You think it is all over
something else. You think the reasons that are valid to me,
are a farce. I think without those reasons, there wouldn't
have been an invasion, and if there was, I wouldn't have
supported it. I don't know how to be anymore clear.

The only reason I even replied to this thread was because
you called me naive, and grouping me in with a bunch of people.
I can not begin to tell you how wrong you are. And you have continued
to try and group me in, and made assumptions through out.

You are wrong. I just wanted this Country to right a wrong from the 90's.
I thought they let it go on way too long. I am glad Saddam is gone.
I hate that we have lost so many military lives doing so. And I hate
that on top of the innocents we left at Saddam's mercy for 12 years,
there have been thousands more since. I wish they would have ended
this shit back in 1991. Instead, it grew, more died, and more are continuing to die.

Anyway, I quit posting in this forum for many reasons.
But the main reason is what you have displayed in this thread
with your "you people", calling me "naive, dangerous", John Wayne
and other shit. You assume that since I don't agree with you, I have
no valid reason. And that I must be something bad or someone that
is oblivious, uneducated or just a shoot them all type of person.
Again, you are wrong. And the sad part is, you don't even realize it.
And no amount of words typed here will make you see it.

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='oldschooler' post='776125' date='May 14 2009, 09:33 AM']How am I wrong?

I said the what you call an excuse, to me is a good reason.
You say it had nothing to do with it. Obviously it did.[/quote]

Of course its a good reason to you, you need stuff like that to believe we needed to go. That doesnt mean its why we went.


[quote name='oldschooler' post='776125' date='May 14 2009, 09:33 AM']In your eyes, nothing. That's why we keep playing this tennis match of posts.[/quote]

No we keep playing this tennis match because you cant accept that.

[quote name='oldschooler' post='776125' date='May 14 2009, 09:33 AM']*sigh*

Was it a WMD?

What about the over 500 0thers?

What about the Sarin U.S. Marines found in Fallujah?

They don't count, huh?

And I have said they didn't find huge stockpiles.
But it wouldn't take huge stockpiles. And after
12 years, Saddam was supposed to have NONE.[/quote]

You mean this? (read the part where it says its not deployable sarin)

[url="http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/003103.php"]http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/003103.php[/url]


[quote name='oldschooler' post='776125' date='May 14 2009, 09:33 AM']That person probably spelled everything right, so you misunderstood.

He said exactly what I typed, word for word.

He was actually quoting Imam Khomeini.

Hopeful and not a threat, huh? haha

Hopeful to Iran and Palestine. Sure. But not a threat to Israel?

Looks like someone is buying propaganda.[/quote]

Yes you. I have an Iranian friend who speaks the language and can talk about the speech to include the context not just a quote and a misunderstanding of that quote. Alas youll use that quote in a dozen years to justify that invasion too.

[quote name='oldschooler' post='776125' date='May 14 2009, 09:33 AM']Only the ones that need to vanish.[/quote]

You mean the "bad guys" right?



[quote name='oldschooler' post='776125' date='May 14 2009, 09:33 AM']You specifically said we put HIM in power. Now if not him, someone else.
We are to blame for everything he did. But if it wasn't him, we would be
to blame for everything someone else did. blah blah blah.[/quote]

And you put no responsibility for any of it on us, the CIA coup that led to him ... sorry his party, taking charge. Oops he took power, sorry Iraq, I would say our bad but there will be no me culpa here.


[quote name='oldschooler' post='776125' date='May 14 2009, 09:33 AM']Where have I ever said good versus evil?

I said he was evil. You assume that I think everything the U.S. does is good.
You have assumed a lot. And even when proven wrong, you continue to assume it.[/quote]

Wait im sitting here arguing that we have blood on our hands in this too, and your saying i assume everything we do is good? Wow talk about an attempt to turn an arguement on its ear.


[quote name='oldschooler' post='776125' date='May 14 2009, 09:33 AM']Deny it all you want. I got it that you think that a long time ago.
You are the one missing something though.[/quote]

A false sense of patriotism blinding me to reality? I think you have more than enough for both of us.

[quote name='oldschooler' post='776125' date='May 14 2009, 09:33 AM']When did I say we play no part in anything?
Or that we have no innocent blood on our hands?

Again, you are assuming.

I said that his decisions and actions lead to us invading.
Without that, I wouldn't have supported an invasion.
I also said that he could have stopped it, but didn't.
Because in my opinion, his actions and decisions paved
the way. Now you want to act like they are a farce.
And I can not disagree more. So why keep going on
about it?

I guess you don't count all of the people that died from
1991-2003 as blood on our hands? I do. If we had done
what I thought we should have done in 1991, then a lot
of innocent people wouldn't have died and suffered.

Anyway, we are getting nowhere. You think it is all over
something else. You think the reasons that are valid to me,
are a farce. I think without those reasons, there wouldn't
have been an invasion, and if there was, I wouldn't have
supported it. I don't know how to be anymore clear.

The only reason I even replied to this thread was because
you called me naive, and grouping me in with a bunch of people.
I can not begin to tell you how wrong you are. And you have continued
to try and group me in, and made assumptions through out.

You are wrong. I just wanted this Country to right a wrong from the 90's.
I thought they let it go on way too long. I am glad Saddam is gone.
I hate that we have lost so many military lives doing so. And I hate
that on top of the innocents we left at Saddam's mercy for 12 years,
there have been thousands more since. I wish they would have ended
this shit back in 1991. Instead, it grew, more died, and more are continuing to die.

Anyway, I quit posting in this forum for many reasons.
But the main reason is what you have displayed in this thread
with your "you people", calling me "naive, dangerous", John Wayne
and other shit. You assume that since I don't agree with you, I have
no valid reason. And that I must be something bad or someone that
is oblivious, uneducated or just a shoot them all type of person.
Again, you are wrong. And the sad part is, you don't even realize it.
And no amount of words typed here will make you see it.[/quote]


Well at least you admit to blood on our hands, sadly your outrage for it is much less.

The actions are what the elite that profit from this stuff use to sell you on it, it isnt the real reason, its what is needed to get your approval and it got it.

Again this did not start in '91

You (and others like you) wanted and needed a "reason" since '91 though and when a attack on us that had nothing to do with Iraq, at the very least the others (perhaps not you I dont want to go assuming here) were ready to go. Hell some in the administration had plans on it already drawn up.

Of course it isnt why we went in, (with securing the oil fields being the first thing we did). On that Im not wrong.

[oldschooler]

[quote name='Jamie_B' post='776141' date='May 14 2009, 09:36 AM']Of course its a good reason to you, you need stuff like that to believe we needed to go. That doesnt mean its why we went.[/quote]


Hmmm. I guess you keep missing the part where I said
it was something that should have been done in 1991.

And just because you say that isn't why we went, doesn't
mean that wasn't why we went.




[quote]No we keep playing this tennis match because you cant accept that.[/quote]

You're right. I can't accept Saddam's actions as he did nothing.
Clearly he did.



[quote]You mean this?

[url="http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/003103.php"]http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/003103.php[/url][/quote]


No. I mean the Sarin gas, and mustard gas found.
Over 500 munitions. When there was supposed to be none.




[quote]Yes you. I have an Iranian friend who speaks the language and can talk about the speech to include the context not just a quote and a misunderstanding of that quote. Alas youll use that quote in a dozen years to justify that invasion too.[/quote]

No you.

And no, I won't justify an invasion that isn't going to happen.
And if it did, invading over Israel isn't something I would
support either. Again, you're assuming.



[quote]You mean the "bad guys" right?[/quote]

What do you call them? Freedom fighters?





[quote]And you put no responsibility for any of it on us, the CIA coup that led to him ... sorry his party, taking charge. Oops he took power, sorry Iraq, I would say our bad but there will be no me culpa here.[/quote]

You're right, I don't put the actions of others on us.

Saddam was in jail soon after the coup. He rose through power
and assumed control. His actions after he assumed control weren't
because of anything we did.




[quote]Wait im sitting here arguing that we have blood on our hands in this too, and your saying i assume everything we do is good? Wow talk about an attempt to turn an arguement on its ear.[/quote]

Read it again.

You assume that [size=5][b]I[/b] [/size] think everything the U.S. does is good.




[quote]A false sense of patriotism blinding me to reality? I think you have more than enough for both of us.[/quote]

Patriotism has nothing to do with this. And of course, you assume more,
are wrong, and keep missing something.




[quote]Well at least you admit to blood on our hands, sadly your outrage for it is much less.[/quote]

How in the fuck can you guage my outrage?

My outrage is no less than your'e. But my outrage
is over letting people die and suffer needlessly
for over 12 years, letting other shit fester, and
then taking care of the problem, and other innocents
dying in the process.

Seriously, get off your fucking self righteous soap box.

[oldschooler]

[quote]The actions are what the elite that profit from this stuff use to sell you on it, it isnt the real reason, its what is needed to get your approval and it got it.[/quote]


Again, I was sold on in in 1991. And it wasn't because some politician
or someone from the "Elite" sold me on it.

[quote]Again this did not start in '91[/quote]



No. By your reasoning it started in 2000, when Saddam thought
about switching to the petroeuro.

[quote]You (and others like you) wanted and needed a "reason" since '91 though and when a attack on us that had nothing to do with Iraq, at the very least the others (perhaps not you I dont want to go assuming here) were ready to go. Hell some in the administration had plans on it already drawn up.[/quote]


No. I and I alone needed no other reason than 1991.
We went there, and should have removed the problem then. Period.


[quote]Of course it isnt why we went in, (with securing the oil fields being the first thing we did). On that Im not wrong.[/quote]


Saddam set fire to the oil fields in 1991. We secured them so it wouldn't happen again.

But no. That doesn't support your theory.

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='oldschooler' post='776151' date='May 14 2009, 10:55 AM']Hmmm. I guess you keep missing the part where I said
it was something that should have been done in 1991.

And just because you say that isn't why we went, doesn't
mean that wasn't why we went.[/quote]

No matter how much you needed a "reason" doesnt make it the reason.



[quote name='oldschooler' post='776151' date='May 14 2009, 10:55 AM']You're right. I can't accept Saddam's actions and he did nothing.
Clearly he did.[/quote]

You really cant accept that I dont think he was innocent, yet that lack of innocence isnt why we went in can you?


[quote name='oldschooler' post='776151' date='May 14 2009, 10:55 AM']No. I mean the Sarin gas, and mustard gas found.
Over 500 munitions. When there was supposed to be none.[/quote]

Youll have to provide me a link here, as the only sarin and fallujah stuff i see is what I provided. I didnt even put in gas into google the first time but this time I did and its still showing me the same pic from my above link.

[url="http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2004/11/possible_sarin.php"]http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2004/11/possible_sarin.php[/url]




[quote name='oldschooler' post='776151' date='May 14 2009, 10:55 AM']No you.

And no, I won't justify an invasion that isn't going to happen.
And if it did, invading over Israel isn't something I would
support either. Again, you're assuming.[/quote]

Oh it will, its just a matter of time and the proper "reasons" needed.


[quote name='oldschooler' post='776151' date='May 14 2009, 10:55 AM']What do you call them? Freedom fighters?[/quote]

Geo-Political enemies.



[quote name='oldschooler' post='776151' date='May 14 2009, 10:55 AM']You're right, I don't put the actions of others on us.

Saddam was in jail soon after the coup. He rose through power
and assumed control. His actions after he assumed control weren't
because of anything we did.[/quote]


He doesnt gain power if there was never a CIA coup to begin with. That is my point.

[quote name='oldschooler' post='776151' date='May 14 2009, 10:55 AM']Read it again.

You assume that [size=5][b]I[/b] [/size] think everything the U.S. does is good.[/quote]

Yet you never get upset by that.

[quote name='oldschooler' post='776151' date='May 14 2009, 10:55 AM']Patriotism has nothing to do with this. And of course, you assume more,
are wrong, and keep missing something.[/quote]

Whatever


[quote name='oldschooler' post='776151' date='May 14 2009, 10:55 AM']How in the fuck can you guage my outrage?

My outrage is no less than your'e. But my outrage
is over letting people die and suffer needlessly
for over 12 years, letting other shit fester, and
then taking care of the problem, and other innocents
dying in the process.

Seriously, get off your fucking self righteous soap box.[/quote]


I gauge by the fact that you dont ever, not once that I have seen, question us or our motivations for this stuff. Thats how I gauge it.

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='oldschooler' post='776154' date='May 14 2009, 10:56 AM']Again, I was sold on in in 1991. And it wasn't because some politician
or someone from the "Elite" sold me on it.[/quote]

Riiiiight


[quote name='oldschooler' post='776151' date='May 14 2009, 10:55 AM']No. By your reasoning it started in 2000, when Saddam thought
about switching to the petroeuro.[/quote]

Thats when we decided enough was enough anyway.


[quote name='oldschooler' post='776151' date='May 14 2009, 10:55 AM']No. I and I alone needed no other reason than 1991.
We went there, and should have removed the problem then. Period.[/quote]

I know, you keep going on about your "reason"


[quote name='oldschooler' post='776151' date='May 14 2009, 10:55 AM']Saddam set fire to the oil fields in 1991. We secured them so it wouldn't happen again.

But no. That doesn't support your theory.[/quote]

Why the hell do you think he did it in '91?

[oldschooler]

[quote name='Jamie_B' post='776159' date='May 14 2009, 10:05 AM']No matter how much you needed a "reason" doesnt make it the reason.[/quote]


Now comes the name calling.

Hey dumbass, the "reason" was when it happened.
Not well after the fact, and after 2 Presidents.





[quote]You really cant accept that I dont think he was innocent, yet that lack of innocence isnt why we went in can you?[/quote]

I accept your reasoning. I don't agree at all. Yet I think that was reason enough to go in.
Seriously, how many times does it need to be said? I mean that is what you questioned
to begin with. And what you called me naive over. Yet, you have yet to accept it, or
apologize for it.




[quote]Youll have to provide me a link here, as the only sarin and fallujah stuff i see is what I provided. I didnt even put in gas into google the first time but this time I did and its still showing me the same pic from my above link.

[url="http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2004/11/possible_sarin.php"]http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2004/11/possible_sarin.php[/url][/quote]


It was posted here on this board by me, in a thread where BJ and I were flaming.
And search for Sarin gas, 500 munitions if you must find something.

Even 1 munition of Sarin gas was a WMD, and enough to cause damage.




[quote]Oh it will, its just a matter of time and the proper "reasons" needed.[/quote]


No reponse. I am not going to debate your precieved future.



[quote]Geo-Political enemies.[/quote]

So you don't see an enemy as a bad guy?

Hmmm.



[quote]He doesnt gain power if there was never a CIA coup to begin with. That is my point.[/quote]

That was never your point. And how do you know he wouldn't have?



[quote]Yet you never get upset by that.[/quote]

Again, you misread something, I prove you to be a dumbass,
and you don't apologize, you just assume. Fuck you.



[quote]Whatever[/quote]

Witty.





[quote]I gauge by the fact that you dont ever, not once that I have seen, question us or our motivations for this stuff. Thats how I gauge it.[/quote]

I haven't posted in this forum much at all in almost 2 years.
Yet you guage me huh?

[oldschooler]

[quote name='Jamie_B' post='776162' date='May 14 2009, 10:08 AM']Riiiiight[/quote]

Oh, now you know what I felt and thought in 1991?





[quote]Thats when we decided enough was enough anyway.[/quote]


Enough of what? Iraq having "our" oil? hahaha




[quote]I know, you keep going on about your "reason"[/quote]

Because you won't accept that it was enough for me.
And even question what I thought in 1991. Like you would ever know.
What were you, like 14 or 15? lol


[quote] Why the hell do you think he did it in '91?[/quote]


To keep us from busy and from whiping his ass more.
Did we take them over then? You are an idiot.

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='oldschooler' post='776181' date='May 14 2009, 11:51 AM']Now comes the name calling.

Hey dumbass, the "reason" was when it happened.
Not well after the fact, and after 2 Presidents.[/quote]

Really? Because Im pretty sure I didnt call you one name in that quote. You however have now taken to it.




[quote name='oldschooler' post='776181' date='May 14 2009, 11:51 AM']I accept your reasoning. I don't agree at all. Yet I think that was reason enough to go in.
Seriously, how many times does it need to be said? I mean that is what you questioned
to begin with. And what you called me naive over. Yet, you have yet to accept it, or
apologize for it.[/quote]

Nor will I accept the false premise, apologize for calling you naive? Fine. I apologize. I was wrong. Your dangerous.


[quote name='oldschooler' post='776181' date='May 14 2009, 11:51 AM']It was posted here on this board by me, in a thread where BJ and I were flaming.
And search for Sarin gas, 500 munitions if you must find something.

Even 1 munition of Sarin gas was a WMD, and enough to cause damage.[/quote]

Oh lord Old, you know how many posts are here and how many of them have been deleted? Give me a link.


[quote name='oldschooler' post='776181' date='May 14 2009, 11:51 AM']No reponse. I am not going to debate your precieved future.[/quote]

Fine well debate in a dozen or so years.

[quote name='oldschooler' post='776181' date='May 14 2009, 11:51 AM']So you don't see an enemy as a bad guy?

Hmmm.[/quote]

I dont see people being bad guys the reason we went to war.

[quote name='oldschooler' post='776181' date='May 14 2009, 11:51 AM']That was never your point. And how do you know he wouldn't have?[/quote]

Wait so I pass judgment on what you believe, and now you do the same? How the hell do you know what my point was? Because Im telling you now that this is exactly my point. (it goes further if you want to talk about our CIA involvment in south american countries)



[quote name='oldschooler' post='776181' date='May 14 2009, 11:51 AM']Again, you misread something, I prove you to be a dumbass,
and you don't apologize, you just assume. Fuck you.[/quote]

Name calling...hmmm. ...Hypocrite

[quote name='oldschooler' post='776181' date='May 14 2009, 11:51 AM']Witty.[/quote]

Thanks



[quote name='oldschooler' post='776181' date='May 14 2009, 11:51 AM']I haven't posted in this forum much at all in almost 2 years.
Yet you guage me huh?[/quote]


Your opinion hasnt seemed to change much since you posted then either, so yes.

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='oldschooler' post='776182' date='May 14 2009, 11:52 AM']Oh, now you know what I felt and thought in 1991?[/quote]

If only by what your expressing now, yes.


[quote name='oldschooler' post='776181' date='May 14 2009, 11:51 AM']Enough of what? Iraq having "our" oil? hahaha[/quote]

Wow really? How about enough of not being our puppet and doing what we wanted him to do anymore.


[quote name='oldschooler' post='776181' date='May 14 2009, 11:51 AM']Because you won't accept that it was enough for me.
And even question what I thought in 1991. Like you would ever know.
What were you, like 14 or 15? lol[/quote]

I accept it was enough for you, I also accept it wasnt why and that you cant accept that.

Oh here we go with the age attacking now, apparently the few years you have on me must make you that much wiser. (snickers)


[quote name='oldschooler' post='776181' date='May 14 2009, 11:51 AM']To keep us from busy and from whiping his ass more.
Did we take them over then? You are an idiot.[/quote]


:rofl:

Really I cant say any more than that.

[oldschooler]

Jamie, I am tired of going over this all again.

I have repeated myself numerous times.
The whole reason I even responded was because
you called me naive, and tried to group me in with some
people. You acted like you knew why I was for it, and
acted like it had ZERO to do with why we invaded.
But that is your opinion. And I have mine. And my opinion
was formed well before George W. Bush even took office.

For some reason though, you can't accept that. You think that
makes me dangerous. Whatever. I think you going on and on
about it, and acting like we were to blame for everything makes
you a dumbass. So I guess that's that. So yeah,
you have made it be know what you think about
me throughout this thread with the "You people",
"naive", "dangerous" and "John Wayne comments,
so I just let it be known what I think about you on
this subject. Because you refuse to accept my
reasoning, and the facts I have presented.


Also, Saddam was supposed to divulge all weapons and programs.
But he went out of his way not to. And when given one last final chance,
he still refused to. Yet, again, you think that was all our fault.

Oh and about the WMDs they found, who cares if some blog or some
slanted news site says different? They were found. They tried to use
them as a road side bomb. Yet after 12 years, there was supposed to
be nothing.

Also, Saddam set fires to Kuwati oil fields in 1991. But you think
because we secured the oil fields in Iraq, that that someone shows
we were there only for oil. Whatever. You think the way you think,
even when shown otherwise. And you think I only was for it because
of the Eilte or the media told me to be. But then why wasn't I against
it when they started being against it?

Oh well. Just don't be so quick to assume anything. And don't think
because you think something, that it is fact.

Good day sir.

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='oldschooler' post='776340' date='May 14 2009, 08:40 PM']Jamie, I am tired of going over this all again.

I have repeated myself numerous times.
The whole reason I even responded was because
you called me naive, and tried to group me in with some
people. You acted like you knew why I was for it, and
acted like it had ZERO to do with why we invaded.
But that is your opinion. And I have mine. And my opinion
was formed well before George W. Bush even took office.

For some reason though, you can't accept that. You think that
makes me dangerous. Whatever. I think you going on and on
about it, and acting like we were to blame for everything makes
you a dumbass. So I guess that's that. So yeah,
you have made it be know what you think about
me throughout this thread with the "You people",
"naive", "dangerous" and "John Wayne comments,
so I just let it be known what I think about you on
this subject. Because you refuse to accept my
reasoning, and the facts I have presented.


Also, Saddam was supposed to divulge all weapons and programs.
But he went out of his way not to. And when given one last final chance,
he still refused to. Yet, again, you think that was all our fault.

Oh and about the WMDs they found, who cares if some blog or some
slanted news site says different? They were found. They tried to use
them as a road side bomb. Yet after 12 years, there was supposed to
be nothing.

Also, Saddam set fires to Kuwati oil fields in 1991. But you think
because we secured the oil fields in Iraq, that that someone shows
we were there only for oil. Whatever. You think the way you think,
even when shown otherwise. And you think I only was for it because
of the Eilte or the media told me to be. But then why wasn't I against
it when they started being against it?

Oh well. Just don't be so quick to assume anything. And don't think
because you think something, that it is fact.

Good day sir.[/quote]


You have said numerous times your opinion, no matter how wrong that opinion is. You have said it for a while even before you came back here, so I presume to not pretend to know anything about why you were for it other than the many times you have repeated that opinion. I haven't acted like it had zero reason as to why we invaded, to act like it would mean Im playing some role in some fictional fantasy. Im dead on saying it, and George W. Bush has nothing to do with that belief.


It makes you dangerous because I can accept those that nievely believe that those that were running the show had all the best of intentions. You have told me you aren't naive to that, and still support that action. That makes you dangerous because that support from you and others like you gives those running the show cart blanche to act in manners that are contrary to our survival as a superpower. Rome is burning and you Nero are standing playing your fiddle.

Sadam had no wmds and no matter how many weapons inspectors tell you that you find things that you want to find, serin that wasnt deployable, ect ect, and anything other than your opinion on that comes from a slanted source.

Sadam set fire to Kuwaits oil fields and you think it wasnt the last ditch effort to keep us from having at it? Really? You wanna tell me one place where I said media? You really think the elite were ever against it even now?

You want to know why I think you arent against it?




Because Ahab needs his Wale.