|Elflocko| Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 [quote name='Jason' post='772676' date='May 2 2009, 12:58 AM']The fly over in New York was pretty moronic.[/quote] We'd have to replace the whole lot of them to remedy the situation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go Tory Go! Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 [quote name='Jumpy' post='772319' date='May 1 2009, 01:10 AM']Here's the Video: [/quote] I can't get over the first guy in the video. "Who?" "The vice president, the upcoming vice president, do you know who he is?" "Of who? Of Lawry's?" "No, uh..." "Lawry's?" That prime rib goes straight to the brain. Reputed to be the best in the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 [quote name='ccartman2' post='772672' date='May 2 2009, 01:24 AM']Well maybe this thread should move to W & J or what ever they call it now a days. If you didn't want a Moron running the country you should have voted 3rd party or none of the above. [color="#FF0000"]Obama is nothing but a socialist[/color] is an American's clothing and printing more money to bail out doomed businesses is just plan dumb. And as for Biden, the administrations best job in the first 100+ days was keeping him quiet because every time he speaks, it's like he scored a 9 on the Wonderlic test. Want proof...read his flu comments. [url="http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=7470281&page=1"]http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=7470281&page=1[/url][/quote] naw, wall street corporate slave. hell i'd take a socialist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 [quote name='Jumpy' post='772319' date='May 1 2009, 01:10 AM'][/quote] Screw them. I wonder if Joe Biden knows the read for a middle linebacker blitz when the receiver goes in motion to the right? I would rather have Rey Maualuga play middle linebacker for us than Joe Biden or the ass clown who asked that question. On the other hand, I would not mind at all if Sarah Palin tackled me on a milf hot read audible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 [quote name='Elflocko' post='772679' date='May 2 2009, 02:18 AM']We'd have to replace the whole lot of them to remedy the situation...[/quote] X2. Term limits would be nice. Never gonna happen but one can dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|kennethmw| Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 [quote name='ccartman2' post='772672' date='May 2 2009, 01:24 AM']Well maybe this thread should move to W & J or what ever they call it now a days. If you didn't want a Moron running the country you should have voted 3rd party or none of the above. Obama is nothing but a socialist is an American's clothing and printing more money to bail out doomed businesses is just plan dumb. And as for Biden, the administrations best job in the first 100+ days was keeping him quiet because every time he speaks, it's like he scored a 9 on the Wonderlic test. Want proof...read his flu comments. [url="http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=7470281&page=1"]http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=7470281&page=1[/url][/quote] After having the Matt Millen of politics run our country for the previous 8 years, forgive me if I don't respect your viewpoint on this. Especially when you use republican talking points about socialism, when the whole friggin' economy slid of a cliff during the "Trickle down" economic philosophy of true capitalism that occured over the past 8 years. Republicans seem to think that if you keep repeating something, it makes it fact, and if you keep doing the same thing over and over you will finally get a different result. Sorry my friend, that is just the definition of Insanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|kennethmw| Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 [quote name='Jason' post='772676' date='May 2 2009, 01:58 AM']The fly over in New York was pretty moronic.[/quote] Not quite as moronic as starting a war against a country that had done nothing to us using a fear of WMD's, while letting the guys that attacked us reconstitute in a country that actually does have WMD's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Elflocko| Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 [quote name='kennethmw' post='772728' date='May 2 2009, 10:29 AM']Not quite as moronic as starting a war against a country that had done nothing to us using a fear of WMD's, while letting the guys that attacked us reconstitute in a country that actually does have WMD's.[/quote] Sad but true... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 [quote name='kennethmw' post='772728' date='May 2 2009, 10:29 AM']Not quite as moronic as starting a war against a country that had done nothing to us using a fear of WMD's, while letting the guys that attacked us reconstitute in a country that actually does have WMD's.[/quote] We removed a tyrant from power because he was not in compliance with the terms of a treaty. 14 UN resolutions weren't enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 [quote name='kennethmw' post='772728' date='May 2 2009, 10:29 AM']Not quite as moronic as starting a war against [b]a country that had done nothing to us using a fear of WMD's[/b], while letting the guys that attacked us reconstitute in a country that actually does have WMD's.[/quote] I have steered clear of the political forums and post for a few years now. I found that I was hating Bengals fans, on a Bengals fan site. And just thought it was best that I talked about the thing that actually brought me here to begin with. Anyway, since I am force to read this thread, and some of these posts, and I have some free time, I will respond to this. First off, Iraq had done something to us, remember Desert Storm in 1991? Remember their surrender, and the terms of that surrender that they had never really lived up to? Yeah. Well Saddam used the fear of WMDs. Not the U.S. They gave him every opportunity, over a 12 year span, to comply. He wanted everyone to believe thta he had them. And most Countries did believe he did. The Countries that didn't want to invade, were making BILLIONS off him being in power. I think it was a mistake to leave Saddam in power in the first place. And after 9/11, no way should such a threat, even if it was just a threat he wanted everyone to believe, and nothing else, should have been left unchecked. Also, we didn't allow Al-Qaeda to regroup in Pakistan. Pakistan did. We should put more pressure on them. But other than that, what did you expect Dubya to do? Invade them too? Is that what you want Obama to do? I consider myself a Libertarian more than anything. But I tow no party lines. And was ready to see Bush go. I voted for Obama. But I in no way want Biden to ever be the man. Of course most of this is just my opinion, with some facts sprinkled in. Anyway, that Maualuga is one bad ass mo-fo . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengaled Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 [quote name='Jason' post='772763' date='May 2 2009, 01:10 PM']We removed a tyrant from power because he was not in compliance with the terms of a treaty. 14 UN resolutions weren't enough?[/quote] for 4,300 american lives (not to mention iraqi's) and billions of dollars in debt.....no, never. that anyone would still try to justify that clusterfuck, is beyond belief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 [quote name='bengaled' post='772770' date='May 2 2009, 12:34 PM']for 4,300 american lives (not to mention iraqi's) and billions of dollars in debt.....no, never. that anyone would still try to justify that clusterfuck, is beyond belief.[/quote] Who knows how many lives, American or otherwise, could have been lost if Saddam stayed in power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumpy Posted May 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 Sooooo anybody hear how todays camp is going? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 [quote name='bengaled' post='772770' date='May 2 2009, 12:34 PM']for 4,300 american lives (not to mention iraqi's) and billions of dollars in debt.....no, never. that anyone would still try to justify that clusterfuck, is beyond belief.[/quote] So I guess we should have just let him thumb his nose at the terms of surrender, shoot at our pilots, kill and torture his people, starve his people while he pocketed billions, play games with weapons inspectors, not account for all of his weapons, ect ect ect. I don't think anyone is trying to justify "the clusterfuck". But I was, and am still all for going there and taking Saddam out. I just wish they would have done the "surge" from the get go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|kennethmw| Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 [quote name='oldschooler' post='772764' date='May 2 2009, 01:12 PM']I have steered clear of the political forums and post for a few years now. I found that I was hating Bengals fans, on a Bengals fan site. And just thought it was best that I talked about the thing that actually brought me here to begin with. Anyway, since I am force to read this thread, and some of these posts, and I have some free time, I will respond to this. First off, Iraq had done something to us, remember Desert Storm in 1991? Remember their surrender, and the terms of that surrender that they had never really lived up to? Yeah. Well Saddam used the fear of WMDs. Not the U.S. They gave him every opportunity, over a 12 year span, to comply. He wanted everyone to believe thta he had them. And most Countries did believe he did. The Countries that didn't want to invade, were making BILLIONS off him being in power. [b]Actually they invaded Kuwait, they didn't attack us. We just went in to push them back into their own country. Yes, Saddam used the fear of WMD's, he was part of a Minority population, that dictated to a majority that was the same religion as his biggest enemy, Iran. So, yes he wanted everyone to believe that he had them[/b]. I think it was a mistake to leave Saddam in power in the first place. And after 9/11, no way should such a threat, even if it was just a threat he wanted everyone to believe, and nothing else, should have been left unchecked. [b]There was enough evidence that he really didn't have WMD's, but nobody listened[/b]. Also, we didn't allow Al-Qaeda to regroup in Pakistan. Pakistan did. We should put more pressure on them. But other than that, what did you expect Dubya to do? Invade them too? Is that what you want Obama to do? [b]Had we concentrated on the war we started in Afghanistan, that we prematurely said we won, we could have rooted out the Taliban(the guys that really supported the folks that attacked us) and with the help of the world community would have had a much better chance of eliminating or at least managing the terror.[/b ]I consider myself a Libertarian more than anything. But I tow no party lines. And was ready to see Bush go. I voted for Obama. But I in no way want Biden to ever be the man. [b]I didn't vote hoping that Biden would be "the man" either, but I am a LOT more comfortable with him in that position than I would have ever been with Mrs Palin. And to be totally frank, I only entered the Fray, because of the "biden bashing" that I felt was uncalled for. [/b] Of course most of this is just my opinion, with some facts sprinkled in. [b]Mine as well, and I'm sure that like my ass, my opinion stinks to some people. I Personally always note a "deliciously earthy" frangrance!! [/b] Anyway, that Maualuga is one bad ass mo-fo . . .[/quote] Maualuga is one of the many things, Old, that I will agree with you on, wholeheartedly. I can't wait to see this mad samoan with a 2nd rd Chip on his shoulder, wreaking havoc on the AFCN, and could care less if he knows a damn thing about Politics!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 [quote name='Jumpy' post='772772' date='May 2 2009, 12:39 PM']Sooooo anybody hear how todays camp is going?[/quote] They are going biden pretty saddam good from what I have heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengaled Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 [quote name='Jason' post='772771' date='May 2 2009, 01:38 PM']Who knows how many lives, American or otherwise, could have been lost if Saddam stayed in power.[/quote] it's not likely ANY american lives....which is what our concerns should have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CougarQuest Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 Well that should clear up any character issues anyone had about Rey....we know he doesn't hang around politicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumpy Posted May 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 [quote name='oldschooler' post='772776' date='May 2 2009, 01:44 PM']They are going biden pretty saddam good from what I have heard.[/quote] haha well done sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 Back to the point of this thread, nobody should give a shit that Rey doesn't know who Joe Biden is. Biden is off to a strong start in his race to beat Dan Quayle as the biggest clown VP in recent history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 [quote name='kennethmw' post='772774' date='May 2 2009, 12:42 PM']Actually they invaded Kuwait, they didn't attack us. We just went in to push them back into their own country. Yes, Saddam used the fear of WMD's, he was part of a Minority population, that dictated to a majority that was the same religion as his biggest enemy, Iran. So, yes he wanted everyone to believe that he had them.[/quote] Yes we went there because he invaded Kuwait, but it was a mistake to stop at the border. [quote]There was enough evidence that he really didn't have WMD's, but nobody listened.[/quote] Russia, Germany, France and everyone else thought he did. That is why they kept passing more resolutions (empty threats) [quote]Had we concentrated on the war we started in Afghanistan, that we prematurely said we won, we could have rooted out the Taliban(the guys that really supported the folks that attacked us) and with the help of the world community would have had a much better chance of eliminating or at least managing the terror.[/quote] We didn't start the war. And we did root out the Taliban, they were running for their lives. And the World Community wasn't really on board even before we got involved in Iraq. Most of them are too weak to lead, and too proud to follow. [quote]I didn't vote hoping that Biden would be "the man" either, but I am a LOT more comfortable with him in that position than I would have ever been with Mrs Palin. And to be totally frank, I only entered the Fray, because of the "biden bashing" that I felt was uncalled for.[/quote] I would have voted for Obama even if Palin was his running mate. No more, or less. Anyway, I am out of this conversation, before someone says they are rooting for the "Freedom fighters". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengaled Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 [quote name='oldschooler' post='772773' date='May 2 2009, 01:41 PM']So I guess we should have just let him thumb his nose at the terms of surrender, shoot at our pilots, kill and torture his people, starve his people while he pocketed billions, play games with weapons inspectors, not account for all of his weapons, ect ect ect. I don't think anyone is trying to justify "the clusterfuck". But I was, and am still all for going there and taking Saddam out. I just wish they would have done the "surge" from the get go.[/quote] yes, we should have just ignored the dumb bastard and left him to deal with his own problems instead of taking them over for him. as bad as he was, he kept stability in the middle east, and we never should have stirred that pot. the only reason our pilots were getting shot at was because we were trying to provoke such actions so we could justify a need or reason to go to war. we had no business continueing our presence there in the first place. i couldn't give a damn WHAT he was doing to his people. we don't have the capacity to be the world's supervisor. there are similar or worse situations in other areas of the world...there always has been...i assume there always will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DanvilleBengal Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 I really don't have anything to add here, but would anyone flame me if I suggested that this be moved to the Jesus and Dubya forum? The only thing in this forum that is relevent to the Bengals is Rey Maulaluga, and nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumpy Posted May 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 [quote name='DanvilleBengal' post='772794' date='May 2 2009, 02:16 PM']I really don't have anything to add here, but would anyone flame me if I suggested that this be moved to the Jesus and Dubya forum? The only thing in this forum that is relevent to the Bengals is Rey Maulaluga, and nothing else.[/quote] I think the Rey talk should stay and the politics should go!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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