Recent Mock Drafts

[Honkey]

Anyone seen anything that has updated mocks.

I'm guessing the Saints now will take Ferguson.

Leinhart to the Titans

Cutler will probably go to Arizona

Miami will likely take a defensive player

Hopefully Vince gets shot at a night club with his agent who is called "Black"
-he might be cool if it was BlackJesus like everyone's favorite go-bengals poster,
but the dude is just lame [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/30.gif[/img]

[Kochman]

[quote name='Honkey' post='231900' date='Mar 14 2006, 03:40 PM']Anyone seen anything that has updated mocks.

I'm guessing the Saints now will take Ferguson.

Leinhart to the Titans

Cutler will probably go to Arizona

Miami will likely take a defensive player

Hopefully Vince gets shot at a night club with his agent who is called "Black"
-he might be cool if it was BlackJesus like everyone's favorite go-bengals poster,
but the dude is just lame [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/30.gif[/img][/quote]


Kind of sucks I see one of the good QB's falling to the Browns or Ravens.

[dieselman44]

i think saints take ferguson or trade the pick, titans take either vince or leinart, and the jets will clean up and take which ever one of those two are left. i would be happy if cutler fell to the browns or ravens because he sucks.

[Honkey]

[quote name='Kochman' post='231903' date='Mar 14 2006, 02:42 PM'][quote name='Honkey' post='231900' date='Mar 14 2006, 03:40 PM']
Anyone seen anything that has updated mocks.

I'm guessing the Saints now will take Ferguson.

Leinhart to the Titans

Cutler will probably go to Arizona

Miami will likely take a defensive player

Hopefully Vince gets shot at a night club with his agent who is called "Black"
-he might be cool if it was BlackJesus like everyone's favorite go-bengals poster,
but the dude is just lame [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//30.gif[/img][/quote]


Kind of sucks I see one of the good QB's falling to the Browns or Ravens.
[/quote]

i think the Browns will stick with Charlie Frye.. i worry more about them drafting Haloti Ngata

the ravens wasted a lot of money on Jamal... I hope they draft Vince Young and Pollack decapitates him on his first scramble... Then Lavar shits down his neck

sorry i really hate vince young

[Honkey]

[quote name='dieselman44' post='231906' date='Mar 14 2006, 02:43 PM']i think saints take ferguson or trade the pick, titans take either vince or leinart, and the jets will clean up and take which ever one of those two are left. i would be happy if cutler fell to the browns or ravens because he sucks.[/quote]


The Jets just resigned Pennington, but they could still do that...

I would rather play against vince young than cutler... Cutler can actually throw a real pass

[EnglishBengal]

Here's a 2 round mock I've found...

link: [url="http://nflmockdraft.us/"]http://nflmockdraft.us/[/url]

1. DT Broderick Bunkley
2. S Ko Simpson

An excellent first 2 rounds for the Bengals. Somehow, I think it may turn out differently though.

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='EnglishBengal' post='231950' date='Mar 14 2006, 04:20 PM']Here's a 2 round mock I've found...

link: [url="http://nflmockdraft.us/"]http://nflmockdraft.us/[/url]

1. DT Broderick Bunkley
2. S Ko Simpson

An excellent first 2 rounds for the Bengals. Somehow, I think it may turn out differently though.[/quote]


While I'd love this, there is no way both of those guys arent 1st rounders.

[akiliMVP]

I think the Saints go Mario Williams
Titans go Leinart
Jets go D'Brickshaw Ferguson
Cards go Young
Vikings might be looking to trade up so they can take Cutler, otherwise they go defense in round 1 and QB (Omar Jacobs or Brodie Croyle) in round 2.

[Guest Bengal_Smoov]

[quote name='Honkey' post='231909' date='Mar 14 2006, 03:46 PM'][quote name='dieselman44' post='231906' date='Mar 14 2006, 02:43 PM']
i think saints take ferguson or trade the pick, titans take either vince or leinart, and the jets will clean up and take which ever one of those two are left. i would be happy if cutler fell to the browns or ravens because he sucks.[/quote]


The Jets just resigned Pennington, but they could still do that...

I would rather play against vince young than cutler... Cutler can actually throw a real pass
[/quote]


Yeah to the other team, Cutler is a bum. Did you see him at the Senior Bowl stinking up the joint with a red zone interception? Dude hasn't had a winning season since high school, high school I said. Why do think Cutler is such a good prospect, it can't possibly be what he did in college? Cutler better thank his lucky stars he's a white boy....

Check Nfldraftcountdown.com's list of overrated players, guess who makes #1 on the list. Jay "The Great White Hype" Cutler, he fucking sucks...

[Honkey]

I believe Cutler will be a better pro than Vince Young... That being said I do not think either of these guys will be very good pros. Cutler gets compared to Brett Favre a lot, but could not carry his jock.

I think Croyle and D.J. Shockley could be good starting QB's on the pro level.

I also think Ingle Martin may be the most underrated QB in the draft. He basically matched Cutler throw for throw at the combine. He is more athletic than Cutler. Basically the same size, maybe a little better.
Led Furman to two straight final fours in D1aa. Could start for a team as the punter.

But, let us thank our lucky stars that we have Carson

I would take Carson on one leg before i took any of the QB's in the last two drafts excluding Leinhart

[Jason]

[quote name='akiliMVP' post='231957' date='Mar 14 2006, 04:27 PM'][b]I think the Saints go Mario Williams[/b]
Titans go Leinart
Jets go D'Brickshaw Ferguson
Cards go Young
Vikings might be looking to trade up so they can take Cutler, otherwise they go defense in round 1 and QB (Omar Jacobs or Brodie Croyle) in round 2.[/quote]

Maybe. Maybe not. Charles Grant is not a bad DE, although he is coming off of an of year sack-wise.

But could you imagine a DE bookend pair of Wil Smith and Mario Williams? Wow.

Or, a trade down for AJ Hawk wouldn't surprise me either.

[Guest Bengal_Smoov]

[quote name='Honkey' post='231977' date='Mar 14 2006, 04:57 PM']I believe Cutler will be a better pro than Vince Young... That being said I do not think either of these guys will be very good pros. Cutler gets compared to Brett Favre a lot, but could not carry his jock.

I think Croyle and D.J. Shockley could be good starting QB's on the pro level.

I also think Ingle Martin may be the most underrated QB in the draft. He basically matched Cutler throw for throw at the combine. He is more athletic than Cutler. Basically the same size, maybe a little better.
Led Furman to two straight final fours in D1aa. Could start for a team as the punter.

But, let us thank our lucky stars that we have Carson

I would take Carson on one leg before i took any of the QB's in the last two drafts excluding Leinhart[/quote]

Croyle maybe, Shockley hell no!!! Shockley couldn't even beat out David Greene and he's the 3rd string qb in Seattle. Croyle needs to add some weight because he reminds of Ken Dorsey with a better arm, meaning he will get injured often in the NFL.

I like Ingle Martin, he has the tools to be a good pro and I agree with you that he's just as good if not better than Cutler.

I guess everyone will have to wait and see on Young, I just don't understand how anyone can doubt Young after what he accomplished last season. He single-handedly beat two of the best teams in CFB at their home stadiums, I've never seen a player perform like Young did, ever.

[Guest fredtoast]

FYI Ingle Martin couldn't even start in the SEC. That is why he transfered from Florida. The same time that Martin was sitting the Bench behind Rex Grossman Jay Cutler was being named First Team All-SEC. In fact Cutler was named first team All SEC twice.

It amazes me that you guys who never watched Cutler play a single game can talk about how bad he sucks when the SEC coaches who play against him every year vote him first team over Croyle, Shockley, Martin, and antoine else you want to mention.

You can't judge a player by what school he attends. Just because Croyle and Shockley played for big name schools does not make them better than Cutler.

[Guest Bengal_Smoov]

[quote name='fredtoast' post='232399' date='Mar 15 2006, 11:14 AM']FYI Ingle Martin couldn't even start in the SEC. That is why he transfered from Florida. The same time that Martin was sitting the Bench behind Rex Grossman Jay Cutler was being named First Team All-SEC. In fact Cutler was named first team All SEC twice.

It amazes me that you guys who never watched Cutler play a single game can talk about how bad he sucks when the SEC coaches who play against him every year vote him first team over Croyle, Shockley, Martin, and antoine else you want to mention.

You can't judge a player by what school he attends. Just because Croyle and Shockley played for big name schools does not make them better than Cutler.[/quote]

FYI, Martin did start in the SEC, he started 4 games for Florida and was replaced by a blue chip recruit named Chris Leak. Leak was one of the most highly recruited players in the nation and Zook put him in after Martin got injured.

I saw Cutler play in person and he's talented but not as talented as the crack smoking "experts" are making him out to be. What did Culter do in the SEC, if he was so talented why didn't he get offers from the real schools in the SEC, everybody know the only reason Vandy is in the SEC is for their academics, every conference has a team like that. Cutler is a good prospect, but better than Lienart or Young [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//27.gif[/img] , I doubt it.

Martin is equal with Cutler, they are both big, strong armed qb's who can make all the throws. Their college careers leave alot to be desired, but they both have the tools that leads NFL scouts and coaches to believe they can have success in the NFL.

I have never seen a qb who played on such a shitty team get so much hype, it fucking rediculous. It's like no one pays attention to what actually happened on the field during the season. All I hear is Jay Cutler did 23 reps at the combine and you see the zip on the ball, he's going to the HOF. What about the Senior Bowl GAME when Cutler looked very average and threw an int in the end zone and threw many passes off target and into the ground? Charlie Whitehurst had a better game than Cutler, the NFL is a results oriented business and looking good in practice isn't enough. Besides, I don't care how good Cutler looks in practice, when it's time to play he's slightly above average at best.

As for the SEC, when is the last time a good qb has come out of the SEC? David Greene re-wrote the record books in the SEC and he can't beat out Seneca Wallace to be Hassleback's back up. Rex Grossman isn't exactly lighting the league on fire. The SEC isn't exactly loaded with stud qb's, so by saying that Cutler was named all SEC doesn't really mean that much. Since 2000 the MAC has put out better qb's than the SEC, name ONE qb the SEC has produced besides Peyton Manning that has a good NFL career, just one.

[Guest Bengals1181]

[quote name='fredtoast' post='232399' date='Mar 15 2006, 11:14 AM']FYI Ingle Martin couldn't even start in the SEC. That is why he transfered from Florida. The same time that Martin was sitting the Bench behind Rex Grossman Jay Cutler was being named First Team All-SEC. In fact Cutler was named first team All SEC twice.[/quote]


it was Leak.


And that's like saying Tom Brady would suck because he got stuck behind say Carson Palmer at some fictional university.


Not being the best and sucking are two totally different things.

[Guest schotzee]

An updated mock at yahoo
Here is how the latest sprawl looks, with the first batch of free-agent signings in mind.

Houston 1. Houston Texans – Reggie Bush, RB, USC. The signing of fullback Jameel Cook is the latest indication that the Texans are gearing up to take Bush. A trade is still possible, but it's going to have to be a very lucrative offer.

New Orleans 2. New Orleans Saints – Mario Williams, DE, North Carolina State. Don't buy the talk of drafting a rookie quarterback to groom behind Brees. That's bogus. This is either going to be a trade-down for a team that wants Matt Leinart, or the Saints will tab Williams to replace Darren Howard and give them two top-notch defensive ends.

Tennessee 3. Tennessee Titans – Matt Leinart, QB, USC. The Titans will be at Leinart's pro day and have also set up an individual workout with him afterward. Offensive coordinator Norm Chow's familiarity with Leinart makes him a more natural selection than Vince Young. General manager Floyd Reese has also said that he doesn't think Vanderbilt quarterback Jay Cutler is a top-three pick.

N.Y. Jets 4. New York Jets – Vince Young, QB, Texas. Now that the Wonderlic fiasco has died down, everyone is eagerly awaiting Young's pro day. The Jets will be holding private workouts for both Young and Jay Cutler. There is a growing feeling in league circles that Young is going to dazzle in workouts and inch back to No. 2 on the quarterback board.

Green Bay 5. Green Bay Packers – A.J. Hawk, OLB, Ohio State. General manager Ted Thompson was on hand at Ohio State's pro day, when Hawk blew everyone away with his workout. The Packers would rather have N.C. State's Mario Williams, but Hawk is ready to be an impact player right now and injuries have marred Green Bay's current corps of outside linebackers.

San Francisco 6. San Francisco 49ers – D'Brickashaw Ferguson, OT, Virginia. Cornerback and linebacker is a big need, but Ferguson is a special talent. And tackle is more of a need than it appears. Jonas Jennings suffered a season-ending injury and Kwame Harris hasn't become the player the 49ers expected. Protecting Alex Smith should be San Francisco's No. 1 priority.

Oakland 7. Oakland Raiders – Jay Cutler, QB, Vanderbilt. The veteran quarterbacks are drying up quickly in free agency. If nothing is done to fill the void before the draft, Jay Cutler becomes the obvious choice – even with Andrew Walter on the roster. With Ted Washington signing with Cleveland and Warren Sapp aging, don't rule out Oregon's Haloti Ngata in this spot.

Buffalo 8. Buffalo Bills – Haloti Ngata, DT, Oregon. Larry Tripplett was a nice pickup in free agency, but he'll need to work next to a rock to be most effective. Ngata fits the bill perfectly as the replacement for Sam Adams. This might be the most absolute lock among the top-10 picks.

Detroit 9. Detroit Lions – Michael Huff, S/CB, Texas. Andre Goodman and R.W. McQuarters are gone via free agency, and Dre' Bly and Fernando Bryant can't stay healthy. Huff gives the Lions a flexible nickel corner that can play safety, too. If Vanderbilt's Jay Cutler gets to this point and Huff doesn't, the Lions will be forced to take a hard look at him.

Arizona 10. Arizona Cardinals – Vernon Davis, TE, Maryland. Edgerrin James takes care of the running back need, and that opens up an array of options at this pick. But the holes the Cardinals need to fill most don't really have a candidate here. The Cardinals could trade back and pick up offensive line help, but Davis provides a major upgrade at tight end.

St. Louis 11. St. Louis Rams – Jimmy Williams, CB/S, Virginia Tech. Another defensive tackle would be nice, but there isn't one worthy of a pick this high. Williams gives the Rams the potential cover corner that they need. Williams won't go through the full workouts until his pro day, but personnel people expect him to showcase a rare combination of speed and athleticism seen in a big corner.

Cleveland 12. Cleveland Browns – Winston Justice, OT, USC. Even with the signing of Kevin Shaffer, the Browns still have a need at the tackle spot. Shaffer can be plugged in on the left side, while Justice plays on the right – the position he has flourished in at USC. The Browns are focusing on Florida State's Kamerion Wimbley in the second round. They would convert him to outside linebacker.

Baltimore 13. Baltimore Ravens – Brodrick Bunkley, DT, Florida State. The running back spot is sewn up, so the Ravens can turn their attention to the defensive line. Bunkley caught the eye of director of college scouting Eric DeCosta at the combine, and he is expected to impress again later this week in positional drills. A fringe first-round pick heading into the Senior Bowl, Bunkley has done nothing but impress scouts ever since.

Philadelphia 14. Philadelphia Eagles – Santonio Holmes, WR, Ohio State. The Eagles have already upgraded the defense with Darren Howard and patched up outside linebacker for a year with Shawn Barber. They still lack an impact player to replace Terrell Owens, and all the free-agent wideouts are drying up. Meanwhile, Holmes ran a blistering 40-yard dash at his pro day (mid-4.3 seconds) and was impressive in positional drills.

Atlanta 15. Atlanta Falcons – Tamba Hali, DE, Penn State. The Falcons expressed serious interest in several free-agent defensive ends, including Detroit's Kalimba Edwards and the Jets' John Abraham. If the Falcons can't find a starter by the time the draft rolls around, the position could end up being their top priority. Hali is expected to impress at his upcoming pro day.

Miami 16. Miami Dolphins – Johnathan Joseph, CB, South Carolina. This might be a tad high, but the Dolphins have addressed many of their major needs in some way via free agency. A glaring hole still remains at cornerback, where Miami needs a starter. Joseph might have put up the best overall performance by a cornerback at the combine. Scouts view him as a player with a ton of untapped potential. After transferring from junior college, an injury limited him to only one season with the Gamecocks, but he was one of the SEC's best defensive players.

Minnesota 17. Minnesota Vikings – Donte Whitner, SS, Ohio State. The departure of Corey Chavous leaves a hole at safety, and Whitner was superb at the combine and his pro day. His numbers in Indianapolis were almost identical to Texas standout Michael Huff, and some think Whitner could even be a starting cornerback. He can hit in run support and has tremendous range.

Dallas 18. Dallas Cowboys – Chad Jackson, WR, Florida. There are several ways the Cowboys could go with this pick, and a lot of that will depend on what happens the next few weeks of free agency. Jackson would fill the need for a speedy young wideout now that Keyshawn Johnson is gone, but if Terrell Owens is signed, this pick could be used for an outside linebacker to play opposite DeMarcus Ware. Other options are trading back and selecting N.C. State's Manny Lawson or staying put and going with one of the safeties – Tennessee's Jason Allen or South Carolina's Ko Simpson.

San Diego 19. San Diego Chargers – Jason Allen, S/CB, Tennessee. This might seem a little high for Allen because of the hip injury that wiped out the latter half of his senior season. But he gives general manager A.J. Smith exactly what he wants – competition all over the secondary. Allen has the skills and speed to be a cornerback, but could also push Bhawoh Jue at free safety. Allen fell off the radar a bit because of last year's injury, but he put in a stellar combine, running 4.39 in the 40 and ranking in the top three of almost every positional drill.

Kansas City 20. Kansas City Chiefs – Tye Hill, CB, Clemson. The Chiefs badly need a young, starting-quality cornerback, particularly with no clear starter opposite Patrick Surtain. There are some size concerns with Hill coming in at 5-foot-9, but he had a very good Senior Bowl and went nuts in the combine drills. Hill was the fastest player this year in the 40 (4.3 seconds), had a vertical jump of 41 inches and placed near the top at every agility drill at his position.

New England 21. New England Patriots – LenDale White, RB, USC. With Corey Dillon on the downward slope of his career, it doesn't look like the Patriots will be picking up his contract option after next season. Memphis' DeAngelo Williams might be sitting here, too, but White is the better fit. He gives the Patriots another power runner to groom in the mold of Dillon. White fits the system and could step in as the starter in 2007.

Denver 22. Denver Broncos (from Washington) – DeAngelo Williams, RB, Memphis. With two first-round picks, this would be a luxury Denver could afford. The Broncos have already been talking about adding a running back on the draft's first day. They also offered Jamal Lewis a contract. If Williams is there at the 22nd pick, he would be a huge value pick. Even if Ron Dayne re-signs, Williams would be a good complement, while also allowing Denver to trade Tatum Bell (which the Broncos are open to doing).

Tampa Bay 23. Tampa Bay Buccaneers – Ernie Sims, OLB, Florida State. The player some scouts say compares to Derrick Brooks would give the Buccaneers an upgrade at the outside linebacker spot. Ryan Nece took over for Jeff Gooch last season on the strong side and did an admirable job, but Sims would give the Bucs a player that could eventually take over when Brooks retires. Sims put up fantastic numbers at the combine, running a legitimate 4.5 seconds in the 40 and rating near the top of his position in every drill. Auburn tackle Marcus McNeill is another possibility, but there will be good tackles available in the second round.

[b]Cincinnati 24. Cincinnati Bengals – Gabe Watson, DT, Michigan. This pick would change if the Bengals land massive tackle Sam Adams in free agency. If not, Watson fills the massive part (6-3, 341) of Cincinnati's interior line needs. As for his talent, Watson has some polarized opinions floating around. Some think he could be an All-Pro player if he lands with a coach who is big on discipline and can motivate him. Others think he's destined to be a lazy, overweight draft bust.[/b]

N.Y. Giants 25. New York Giants – Chad Greenway, OLB, Iowa. Greenway really struggled at the combine, and his draft stock took a big hit. Despite weighing in at 242 pounds, he put up only 16 reps in the bench press, was clocked as low as 4.8 seconds in the 40-yard dash and posted average times in almost all of his drills. Still, Greenway was a great college player and very productive at Iowa. The linebacker-needy Giants met with him at the combine, and a solid pro day performance should keep Greenway in the first round.

Chicago 26. Chicago Bears – Sinorice Moss, WR, Miami. The Bears missed out on Antwaan Randle El, but general manager Jerry Angelo is believed to be a big fan of Moss. The Bears met with him on the first day of Senior Bowl week and the combine. Moss helped himself by putting up top-notch numbers for his position at the combine. He followed that up by looking good at his pro day, showcasing soft hands, a 42-inch vertical and the ability to be a punt returner.

Carolina 27. Carolina Panthers – DeMeco Ryans, OLB, Alabama. A tight end could be had at this pick, but that's a deep position that can be addressed in the second round. The loss of Will Witherspoon creates a more pressing need at outside linebacker, and Ryans would fit the bill. Once regarded as a top-15 pick, Ryans posted good-but-not-great numbers at the combine. It's hard to argue against his production in college, though. He was one of the best defensive players in the SEC.

Jacksonville 28. Jacksonville Jaguars – Kelly Jennings, CB, Miami. Outside linebacker could be a huge priority here if the Jaguars can't find one in free agency. If they do, then drafting a good young cornerback becomes a priority. Jacksonville needs a player that can eventually start opposite Rashean Mathis. Jaguars vice president of player personnel James Harris was on hand to see Jennings run another 40-yard dash in the 4.3s at the Hurricanes' pro day. Jennings has had very impressive workouts from the combine right into the pro day, demonstrating top-notch quickness and coverage ability.

Denver 29. Denver Broncos – Kamerion Wimbley, DE, Florida State. Wimbley would give the Broncos a good young end to groom and eventually plug into the void created by the departure of Trevor Pryce. A wide receiver and safety are also possibilities here, but those would be better addressed later on the draft's first day. Boston College defensive end Mathias Kiwanuka is another candidate for this pick, but he will have to have a huge pro day to keep himself in the first round.

Indianapolis 30. Indianapolis Colts – Laurence Maroney, RB, Minnesota. The Colts are guaranteed to have a shot at either Maroney or LSU's Joseph Addai. Maroney makes the most sense. Lake James, he is a very tough runner who can get it done between the tackles and be a grinder when needed. He still hasn't run his 40-yard dash due to a pulled hamstring, and it's conceivable that a poor time could knock him out of the first round.

Seattle 31. Seattle Seahawks – Davin Joseph, G, Oklahoma. This pick would be predicated on Steve Hutchinson being allowed to leave for Minnesota. The Seahawks already needed an upgrade at right guard, but losing Hutchinson would put the team in a tough spot at the position. Joseph has been a rock since becoming a starter his sophomore season at Oklahoma. He has polished footwork and has consistently put up the best numbers of all the guards available in this draft.

Pittsburgh 32. Pittsburgh Steelers – Bobby Carpenter, LB, Ohio State. Despite not being totally healthy, Carpenter had a good pro day while under the watchful eye of Steelers head coach Bill Cowher and defensive coordinator Dick LeBeau. There are several teams looking at Carpenter at the end of the first round, including the Patriots, Jaguars and Giants. If he slips to the Steelers, he adds depth and can eventually be groomed as a starter.

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[Guest schotzee]

Don Banks of cnnsi has us taking Mercedes Lewis

[akiliMVP]

[quote name='schotzee' post='232476' date='Mar 15 2006, 01:49 PM']Don Banks of cnnsi has us taking Mercedes Lewis[/quote]
He is an idiot then. Lewis has fell into the second round after running a 4.9 forty yard dash.

[Guest fredtoast]

[quote name='Bengal_Smoov' post='232432' date='Mar 15 2006, 12:45 PM']I saw Cutler play in person and he's talented but not as talented as the crack smoking "experts" are making him out to be. What did Culter do in the SEC,

I have never seen a qb who played on such a shitty team get so much hype, it fucking rediculous. It's like no one pays attention to what actually happened on the field during the season. All I hear is Jay Cutler did 23 reps at the combine and you see the zip on the ball, he's going to the HOF. What about the Senior Bowl GAME when Cutler looked very average and threw an int in the end zone and threw many passes off target and into the ground? Charlie Whitehurst had a better game than Cutler, the NFL is a results oriented business and looking good in practice isn't enough. Besides, I don't care how good Cutler looks in practice, when it's time to play he's slightly above average at best.

As for the SEC, when is the last time a good qb has come out of the SEC? David Greene re-wrote the record books in the SEC and he can't beat out Seneca Wallace to be Hassleback's back up. Rex Grossman isn't exactly lighting the league on fire. The SEC isn't exactly loaded with stud qb's, so by saying that Cutler was named all SEC doesn't really mean that much. Since 2000 the MAC has put out better qb's than the SEC, name ONE qb the SEC has produced besides Peyton Manning that has a good NFL career, just one.[/quote]

First of all the All SEC picks are not voted on by fans or TV analysts. It is voted on by the coaches. So Cutler is not a creation of the media. His acclaim is based on what he did on the field.

If you are going to grade Cutler just on the Senior Bowl, then I guess you also think Reggie Bush sucks because he made one of the most bone headed plays I've ever seen in the national championship game.

Also please list all the quality wins that Ingle Martin had in his career. He started 4 games at Florida and was only 2-2. His victories came over San Jose State and Florida A&M.

And finally, you are pimping some Div II QB and you ask me to give an example of a successful QB from the SEC? So I'll ask you to give me a list of great NFL QBs who came from Div II since 2000. FYI in '05 THREE division champions (Bears, Giants, Colts) all had starting QBs from the SEC.

Using your logic it would be impossible for Corey Chavous to be a starter in the Pro Bowl since he played at Vanderbilt, but it did happen.

[Guest Bengal_Smoov]

[quote name='fredtoast' post='232504' date='Mar 15 2006, 02:51 PM'][quote name='Bengal_Smoov' post='232432' date='Mar 15 2006, 12:45 PM']

I saw Cutler play in person and he's talented but not as talented as the crack smoking "experts" are making him out to be. What did Culter do in the SEC,

I have never seen a qb who played on such a shitty team get so much hype, it fucking rediculous. It's like no one pays attention to what actually happened on the field during the season. All I hear is Jay Cutler did 23 reps at the combine and you see the zip on the ball, he's going to the HOF. What about the Senior Bowl GAME when Cutler looked very average and threw an int in the end zone and threw many passes off target and into the ground? Charlie Whitehurst had a better game than Cutler, the NFL is a results oriented business and looking good in practice isn't enough. Besides, I don't care how good Cutler looks in practice, when it's time to play he's slightly above average at best.

As for the SEC, when is the last time a good qb has come out of the SEC? David Greene re-wrote the record books in the SEC and he can't beat out Seneca Wallace to be Hassleback's back up. Rex Grossman isn't exactly lighting the league on fire. The SEC isn't exactly loaded with stud qb's, so by saying that Cutler was named all SEC doesn't really mean that much. Since 2000 the MAC has put out better qb's than the SEC, name ONE qb the SEC has produced besides Peyton Manning that has a good NFL career, just one.[/quote]


First of all the All SEC picks are not voted on by fans or TV analysts. It is voted on by the coaches. So Cutler is not a creation of the media. His acclaim is based on what he did on the field.

If you are going to grade Cutler just on the Senior Bowl, then I guess you also think Reggie Bush sucks because he made one of the most bone headed plays I've ever seen in the national championship game.

Also please list all the quality wins that Ingle Martin had in his career. He started 4 games at Florida and was only 2-2. His victories came over San Jose State and Florida A&M.

And finally, you are pimping some Div II QB and you ask me to give an example of a successful QB from the SEC? So I'll ask you to give me a list of great NFL QBs who came from Div II since 2000. FYI in '05 THREE division champions (Bears, Giants, Colts) all had starting QBs from the SEC.

Using your logic it would be impossible for Corey Chavous to be a starter in the Pro Bowl since he played at Vanderbilt, but it did happen.
[/quote]


So many holes in your logic I don't know were to begin the pwnage, but here I go...

[quote]First of all the All SEC picks are not voted on by fans or TV analysts. It is voted on by the coaches. So Cutler is not a creation of the media. His acclaim is based on what he did on the field.[/quote]

I don't know what the hell your talking about, I never said anything about fans or media voting for the All SEC team. I said the media is hyping him up, there is a big difference between being first team all-conference and being the best qb in the nation. Plenty of players make the all conference team that doesn't make them the best player in the nation at their position. Dale Robinson from ASU was first team all-pac 10, but he's only projected to be a 4th pick, get it? Raill Johnson was first team PAC 10 but can't even get off the bench in the CFL.

[quote]If you are going to grade Cutler just on the Senior Bowl, then I guess you also think Reggie Bush sucks because he made one of the most bone headed plays I've ever seen in the national championship game.[/quote]

I'm not grading Culter on just the Senior Bowl, I'm grading him on his whole career. The career in which he only won 11 games despite starting all 4 years, that's pathetic. I don't care how shitty your team is if you are a good qb you can average more the 3 wins a season. If you put Vince Young on Vandy I guarantee you he would win more than 11 games in 4 years as a starter. Same for Leinart, Cutler is not a winner, he's a guy who looks good in shorts but sucks when it comes to you know actually play some football. As for the Reggie Bush comment, what you said doesn't even make sense, so....


[quote]Also please list all the quality wins that Ingle Martin had in his career. He started 4 games at Florida and was only 2-2. His victories came over San Jose State and Florida A&M.[/quote]

Cutler has about the same amount of quality wins..2005 was his best season by far and he managed to beat 0 teams DI teams with a winning record. Arkansas sucked this year, Tennessee had a season that if repeated will have Fulmer looking for employment elsewhere and those were biggest wins of Cutler's career. Maybe Cutler should have gone to a D-I AA school so he could actually learn how to win instead get good stats. That's all SEC qb's are good for anyway is stats, just look at Peyton Manning he hasn't won a big game since high school.

[quote]And finally, you are pimping some Div II QB and you ask me to give an example of a successful QB from the SEC? So I'll ask you to give me a list of great NFL QBs who came from Div II since 2000. FYI in '05 THREE division champions (Bears, Giants, Colts) all had starting QBs from the SEC.[/quote]

FYI, Rex Grossman did play until the last month of the season, without Big Ten rookie qb Klye Orton and the defense, the Bears don't sniff the playoffs. Also the best thing Eli did all season was hand the ball off to Tiki Barber, the Giants won their division inspite of Eli not because of him. You see what happened to Eli once he got to the playoffs and they shut down Tiki and made Eli beat them, the Giants didn't even score. Like I said Peyton Manning is the only good qb to come out of the SEC in the past 10 years so being named all SEC at qb isn't that big of a deal. Cutler was named first team all SEC as a freshman so that has to tell you of the quality of the qb's in the conference if a true freshman can make first team all conference. There haven't been many qb's to come from the DI-AA(not DII, there is a difference) but Steve McNair is the most recent qb to come from a DI-AA school and have success in the NFL.


[quote]Using your logic it would be impossible for Corey Chavous to be a starter in the Pro Bowl since he played at Vanderbilt, but it did happen[/quote]

Once again I have no clue what your refering to but, my point is all the of so-called experts who say that Cutler is better than Lienart and Young are full of shit and just wrong. Cutler showed nothing during his collegiate career that would lead any reasonable person to say that. His mechanics needs work, he makes bad decisions, he hasn't a winning season since high school. What about Culter makes him better than two qb's who lead their teams to undefeated national championship seasons? I can't believe I'm having to argue that Cutler isn't better than Matt Lienart or Vince Young, do you watch college football?????? If you do can tell me how many times you saw Cutler win a big game when the world was watching? Cutler is no better than Martin, they have similar measurables. Martin dominated DI-AA competiton while Cutler got smacked around by DI-A competition, what's the difference???

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Mock NFL Draft No. 3
Pick Team Pos. Player College Class Ht. Wt.
1 RB Reggie Bush USC Jr. 6-0 200
The bottom 31 slots in this first round might wind up looking vastly different between now and the April 29 draft, but I'm convinced Bush and the Texans are a marriage that's going to last. At least until I start hearing that Houston is seriously entertaining offers to trade down.
2 (trade) QB Matt Leinart USC Sr. 6-5 225
Now that the Saints have signed Drew Brees and don't need the best quarterback available at this spot, look for the Jets to move up and get the former Heisman Trophy winner. Although they did work out a deal with Chad Pennington, this is too good an opportunity to turn down.
3 QB Jay Cutler Vanderbilt Sr. 6-4 228
Nobody had more buzz coming out of Indy than Cutler, and I'm sticking with the idea that the hometown Titans are intrigued with keeping the Vandy star in Nashville. But having Mario Williams sitting there for the taking is going to really test Tennessee's belief in Cutler.
4 (trade) DE Mario Williams N.C. State Jr. 6-7 285
Since the quarterback spot seems to be settled, the Saints need to replace free-agent defensive end Darren Howard, who signed a big deal with the Eagles. Williams is a rare physical specimen who could be a matchup problem for opposing defenses.
5 DT Haloti Ngata Oregon Jr. 6-5 345
With the Packers re-signing defensive end Aaron Kampman, they now turn their attention to the defensive interior, where the run-stuffing Ngata is the best the draft has to offer. Taking the draft's blue-chip offensive tackle, Virginia's D'Brickashaw Ferguson, would also be a sound top-five strategy.
6 OT D'Brickashaw Ferguson Virginia Sr. 6-5 295
We can't think of a better way to aid in the development of second-year franchise quarterback Alex Smith than a cornerstone left tackle to protect his backside for the foreseeable future.
7 QB Vince Young Texas Jr. 6-5 235
Given that the Raiders have failed at landing Daunte Culpepper, this move makes too much sense. As crazy as it would have sounded on the morning of Jan. 5 after his Rose Bowl showing, if Young slips past the Raiders, it's possible he could fall entirely out of the top 10.
8 LB A.J. Hawk Ohio State Sr. 6-1 240
In London Fletcher and Jeff Posey, the Bills have a couple of starting linebackers who are past their 30th birthdays. Hawk had great showings at both the combine and his pro day, and he's an impact addition for a defense that tumbled a long way in the league rankings in 2005.
9 DB Michael Huff Texas Sr. 6-1 205
We're going to go out on a limb and predict that the Lions won't be taking a first-round receiver for the fourth consecutive year. Huff is a versatile talent who had a solid top 10 ranking coming out of the combine. If the Lions get tempted by anyone on offense, it'll be Maryland tight end Vernon Davis.
10 TE Vernon Davis Maryland Jr. 6-3 250
The Cardinals didn't wait until the draft to land their No. 1 running back, splurging instead on Edgerrin James in free agency. So no DeAngelo Williams or LenDale White for them. Davis put on a virtuoso performance in Indy, and he'll give balance to an offense that already has a ridiculously potent passing game.
Pick Team Pos. Player College Class Ht. Wt.
11 CB Jimmy Williams Virginia Tech Sr. 6-3 216
The Rams were hoping Davis lasted one more slot, and maybe they're willing to give the Cardinals something in exchange for moving into the top 10. But if not, the consolation prize is Williams, the draft's highest-ranked cover man.
12 DE Tamba Hali Penn State Sr. 6-3 267
The Browns did good work on offense early in free agency, then added big Ted Washington to clog up the running lanes in the middle of the defense. It's fair to ask whether Hali, at 6-foot-3, 267, is big enough to play end in a 3-4 formation, but he's an impact pass rusher and Cleveland is in need of one.
13 DT Brodrick Bunkley Florida State Sr. 6-3 284
Bunkley makes a big jump up our board in the wake of his impressive combine workout (44 bench-press reps, 4.97 time in the 40 at 307 pounds). The Ravens just lost underrated DT Maake Kemoeatu to Carolina in free agency, and Bunkley would fill that vacancy rather nicely.
14 LB Ernie Sims Florida State Jr. 6-0 220
The Eagles have so many choices in this slot. They could take USC offensive tackle Winston Justice, replacing free agent Jon Runyan. They could go for a running back like DeAngelo Williams or LenDale White, or a receiver like Chad Jackson or Santonio Holmes. But Sims gives them the outside linebacker they covet.
15 OT Winston Justice USC Jr. 6-6 300
The Falcons lost left tackle Kevin Shaffer to Cleveland in free agency, and Justice is a good value pick in this slot. Justice has underachieved at times, but there are those NFL scouts who are firm in their belief that he can handle the critical left tackle role as a pro.
16 OT Eric Winston Miami Sr. 6-7 315
The Dolphins' top choice to fill their need at OT was Winston Justice, who we have going just ahead of them. That means Miami will have to make do with a different Winston, the one who starred for the Hurricanes in Coral Gables. Nick Saban could also lean on his SEC ties and select Auburn OT Marcus McNeill.
17 RB DeAngelo Williams Memphis Sr. 5-10 217
True, the Vikings signed Chester Taylor in free agency, perhaps removing running back from their first-round need list. But head coach Brad Childress had a running-back-by-committee approach with the Eagles, and Taylor split time with Jamal Lewis in Baltimore. Williams or USC's LenDale White could be the pick.
18 WR Chad Jackson Florida Jr. 6-1 205
Jackson's combine 40 time of 4.34 got everybody's attention, and it makes him one of the more obvious climbers in the bottom half of the first round. The Cowboys are old at receiver, but they also need help at offensive tackle, should Eric Winston linger or Auburn's Marcus McNeill tempt them.
19 WR Santonio Holmes Ohio State Jr. 5-11 190
You have to think general manager A.J. Smith wants to give quarterback Philip Rivers the best possible chance to succeed, given that he has staked his reputation on him and sent Drew Brees packing. Getting Rivers another receiving target -- either Holmes or Chad Jackson -- should be Smith's top priority.
20 CB Tye Hill Clemson Sr. 5-10 184
When have the Chiefs not needed an infusion of talent in their pass defense? Hill ran a blistering 4.30 at the combine, which vaulted him into the first round if he wasn't there already. Ohio State cornerback Ashton Youboty is the other name to be aware of.


Pick Team Pos. Player College Class Ht. Wt.
21 RB LenDale White USC Jr. 6-2 235
On our board, White somehow lasts until No. 21, a development the Patriots would be thrilled about. If White is gone, Ohio State linebacker Bobby Carpenter makes sense. As does a receiver (Jackson, Holmes or Sinorice Moss?), since the Patriots are about to lose David Givens in free agency.
22 WR Sinorice Moss Miami Sr. 5-8 185
By giving the Broncos Moss with the first of their two No. 1 picks, we're assuming they don't wind up with Terrell Owens, whom they apparently have cooled on. The Broncos could also look at Boston College DE Mathias Kiwanuka, even though they've re-signed both Courtney Brown and Gerard Warren.
23 LB Chad Greenway Iowa Sr. 6-4 244
Greenway wasn't as strong (16 reps) or as quick (4.78) at the combine as was expected. But he's still going to make the first round, and the Bucs seem like a nice fit. Tampa Bay also could address OT with Auburn's Marcus McNeill, or take a shot with Arizona State WR Derek Hagan.
24 TE Marcedes Lewis UCLA Sr. 6-6 255
The defensive tackle Cincy wanted, Florida State's Brodrick Bunkley, is long gone, and LSU's Claude Wroten doesn't have a consensus first-round grade. With the Dexter Jackson signing addressing the need at safety, we give the Bengals the second best TE on the board behind Maryland's Davis.
25 LB Bobby Carpenter Ohio State Sr. 6-3 255
Adding Sam Madison and R.W. McQuarters seemed to remove cornerback from New York's first-round need list. If LaVar Arrington gets signed, maybe we can say the same thing about linebacker. But everybody knows Giants general manager Ernie Accorsi loves those Big Ten prospects.
26 TE Dominique Byrd USC Sr. 6-3 260
With no more receivers first-round worthy, the Bears wisely address their need at tight end. But which tight end will it be, the pass-catching Byrd, or Georgia's 6-foot-7, 250-pound Leonard Pope, who can both catch and block? This pick assumes UCLA's Marcedes Lewis is already gone to No. 24 Cincinnati.
27 RB Laurence Maroney Minnesota Jr. 5-11 205
Don't make the mistake of assuming that by re-signing DeShaun Foster the Panthers are out of the running for a first-round running back. Foster's injury history demands the position receive more attention. Maroney looks like a steal this low in the first round.
28 LB DeMeco Ryans Alabama Sr. 6-5 230
The Jaguars addressed their cornerback need in free agency, signing Brian Williams away from Minnesota. That would seem to shift their draft priority to outside linebacker. Ryans' stock has fallen since the Senior Bowl, but he's a playmaker who has decent value at the bottom of the first round.
29 DE Mathias Kiwanuka Boston College Sr. 6-5 255
Broncos defensive line coach Andre Patterson loves to play his linemen in rotation, and Kiwanuka would add some much-needed pass rush to a group that's more steady than spectacular. Again, the re-signing of Courtney Brown and Gerard Warren does not eliminate defensive line from consideration.
30 RB Joseph Addai LSU Sr. 5-11 214
With the big four running backs all gone, the Colts might be looking at the somewhat surprising Addai as a replacement for Edgerrin James. Addai could sneak into the bottom of the first round based on his impressive 40 times in the 4.4 range at the combine.
31 DT Rod Wright Texas Sr. 6-5 315
If the Seahawks lose defensive tackle Rocky Bernard in free agency, Wright could be a suitable replacement. Another option in the defensive interior would be LSU's Claude Wroten. Defensive end and linebacker are two other positions of need for the defending NFC champions.
32 C Nick Mangold Ohio State Sr. 6-4 300
With Antwaan Randle El lost in free agency as expected, the Steelers would like an impact receiver. But they won't reach for one in this slot if the top three prospects (Jackson, Holmes and Moss) are all gone. Give them Mangold, because veteran center Jeff Hartings will be 34 in September

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[quote name='schotzee' post='232470' date='Mar 15 2006, 01:40 PM'][b]Cincinnati 24. Cincinnati Bengals – Gabe Watson, DT, Michigan. This pick would change if the Bengals land massive tackle Sam Adams in free agency. If not, Watson fills the massive part (6-3, 341) of Cincinnati's interior line needs. As for his talent, Watson has some polarized opinions floating around. Some think he could be an All-Pro player if he lands with a coach who is big on discipline and can motivate him. Others think he's destined to be a lazy, overweight draft bust.[/b][/quote]



Although I would prefer we land both Adams and Watson.

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[quote name='Dan_Bengals_NJ' post='232880' date='Mar 16 2006, 09:58 AM'][quote name='schotzee' post='232470' date='Mar 15 2006, 01:40 PM']
[b]Cincinnati 24. Cincinnati Bengals – Gabe Watson, DT, Michigan. This pick would change if the Bengals land massive tackle Sam Adams in free agency. If not, Watson fills the massive part (6-3, 341) of Cincinnati's interior line needs. As for his talent, Watson has some polarized opinions floating around. Some think he could be an All-Pro player if he lands with a coach who is big on discipline and can motivate him. Others think he's destined to be a lazy, overweight draft bust.[/b][/quote]



Although I would prefer we land both Adams and Watson.
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Yeah, but I don't think the 2 are mutually exclusive like the author makes it sound...Adams will be the quick fix starter for 2 years, then Watson will take over after he's had time to get some seasoning under Adams' tutelage. The guy should be even more of a monster if he learns to throw his weight around like Sam can from the get go.

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Even with the recent free agent addition of Dexter Jackson, the Bengals would be wise to snatch up Donte Whitner if he's available. Whitner, blessed with spectacular speed for a safety, could be the missing element on an athletic Cincinnati defense. Tight end remains the Bengals' biggest need, but most scouts feel the only player at the position worthy of a first-round selection is Vernon Davis, who won't make it out of the top 10.
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[quote name='Kochman' post='231903' date='Mar 14 2006, 02:42 PM'][quote name='Honkey' post='231900' date='Mar 14 2006, 03:40 PM']
Anyone seen anything that has updated mocks.

I'm guessing the Saints now will take Ferguson.

Leinhart to the Titans

Cutler will probably go to Arizona

Miami will likely take a defensive player

Hopefully Vince gets shot at a night club with his agent who is called "Black"
-he might be cool if it was BlackJesus like everyone's favorite go-bengals poster,
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The Browns are pretty high on Charlie Frye. I'm not sure if they will get a first round QB even if one was still there.

Kind of sucks I see one of the good QB's falling to the Browns or Ravens.
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