Guest Johnsons4Life Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 [quote name='Die Hard Orange and Black' post='276225' date='Jun 1 2006, 10:11 PM']I don't know the numbers, but I heard that there is a decent percentage of those released that they find fighting against us again.[/quote] It is a high number. They dont learn because they feel like their mission wasn't accomplished. I can remember of an instance from almost two years ago in iraq where 3 people were brought in trying to setup an ambush on a MSR. Well they didn't hold them because they didn't have shit on them except what they said that they were doing. The guys contend they did nothing. So they got released. 2 weeks later the same guys ended up killing 5 soldiers in an IED and RPG ambush just like they were originally doing. With the help of the locals they were brought in and "kidnapped" by the iraqi and american army. So is that what you want BJ. Without having sufficient evidence these guys were right back out and look at what they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 [quote name='Kool Keith' post='276231' date='Jun 1 2006, 11:17 PM']Evidence, plus he was a symbol.[/quote] [b]So you are saying that since we don't have any evidence ... that we shouldn't try them ? [/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Orange and Black Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 [quote name='Jamie_B' post='276232' date='Jun 1 2006, 11:17 PM']Disagree. Those are gurrillia tatics, not much different than the type of tatics we used against Britian. (Other than the grade of artillery)[/quote] There tactics kill the innocent, not just military. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 [quote name='Die Hard Orange and Black' post='276235' date='Jun 1 2006, 11:18 PM']Let's take over the world. Think we could do it?[/quote] [b]No .... we can't take over anyone with Nukes .... hence why Iran wants them [/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BadassBengal Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 [quote name='BlackJesus' post='276228' date='Jun 1 2006, 11:14 PM'][b]So if you got word that the Chinese Army was swooping into invade Cincinnati tomorrow .... you would just take the position of doing what you're told ??? Some people in Afghanistan liked the Taliban Govt .... hell we put them in power. Why the fuck were they supposed to just let us topple their govt ? Because some supposed US trained Osama could have knocked down the WTC ? This hasn't been proven by the way. [/b][/quote] First of all, China wouldn't invade us. Nobody's gonna invade us. Lets be realistic. If some huge superpower like America was coming into my country saying that they were going to liberate us and stuff, and take down our current government, I would step out of the fucking way. It doesn't matter that we put them in power or trained Osama. GET OFF THAT BULLSHIT. That's in the past. The Taliban wouldn't hand over Osama. They were corrupt, and wouldn't comply. They were taken out. Simple as that. "Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone; [b]but if someone puts his hand on you, send him to the cemetery."[/b] Thats what your guy said, BJ. They put their hands on our people. We fucked em up. Simple as 1, 2, 3... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 [quote name='Kool Keith' post='276231' date='Jun 1 2006, 11:17 PM']Evidence, plus he was a symbol.[/quote] Thats exactly my point here. If there is no evidence against these people, what right do we have to detain them? If he was a symbol, why not send that message over and over and over? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Johnsons4Life Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 [quote name='BlackJesus' post='276230' date='Jun 1 2006, 10:16 PM'][b]In their own reality yes it is that way .... I don't doubt for 1 second that they view themself as fighting against evil fucks who are invading their nation .... We loved that the Afghans didn't want to be invaded when the Soviets invaded them .... we rooted them on as they blew up Soviet tank after tank ..... We helped train Osama during this time ..... Now when we invade them we wonder why they don;t want to be invaded ??? [/b][/quote] So what the fuck was supposed to happen. They attacked and killed 3000 americans. So we go over to their country and fuck them up. Did you just want to stand there like a pussy and do nothing. Just admit defeat because they might not like it if we invade and some civilians might get killed and little afghan boys will have to think survival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Orange and Black Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 [quote name='Jamie_B' post='276226' date='Jun 1 2006, 11:11 PM']No your right he was captured in Minnesota. But what does that have to do with their crimes? We extradite people and try them from other countries all the time.[/quote] In war different rules apply. If they come to our soil, they have different rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 [quote name='BadassBengal' post='276240' date='Jun 1 2006, 11:19 PM']The Taliban wouldn't hand over Osama. They were corrupt, and wouldn't comply. They were taken out. Simple as that.[/quote] [b]Corrupt according to whom ? Wouldn't comply to whom ? There isn't a law saying that other govts must comply to our wishes Also maybe they didn't hand over Osama because he had been dead already .... and he was just being used as a Ghost to pit 9/11 on ? [/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Orange and Black Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 [quote name='BlackJesus' post='276239' date='Jun 1 2006, 11:19 PM'][b]No .... we can't take over anyone with Nukes .... hence why Iran wants them [/b][/quote] Global Winter.......Like the cold??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 [quote name='BlackJesus' post='276230' date='Jun 1 2006, 11:16 PM'][b]In their own reality yes it is that way .... I don't doubt for 1 second that they view themself as fighting against evil fucks who are invading their nation .... We loved that the Afghans didn't want to be invaded when the Soviets invaded them .... we rooted them on as they blew up Soviet tank after tank ..... We helped train Osama during this time ..... Now when we invade them we wonder why they don;t want to be invaded ??? [/b][/quote] Ok but again what does that have to do with the average military man whom is fighting for his survival, remember he was ordered there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Orange and Black Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 [quote name='BadassBengal' post='276240' date='Jun 1 2006, 11:19 PM']First of all, China wouldn't invade us. Nobody's gonna invade us. Lets be realistic.[/quote] Ever see Red Dawn? Those damn Mexicans are coming for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest #22 Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 [quote name='Die Hard Orange and Black' post='276213' date='Jun 1 2006, 11:03 PM']Breaking news.... The government is going to start monitoring phone conversations from a suspected terrorist at this phone number (###)###-####. Standby, we let you know if they hear anything important.[/quote] So wait...as a conservative, you are saying that the government is [b]completely unqualified[/b] to run your money, your health care, your education, or any other part of your life... except they rock at judiciously tracking down the bad guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BadassBengal Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 [quote name='BlackJesus' post='276245' date='Jun 1 2006, 11:21 PM'][b]Corrupt according to whom ? Wouldn't comply to whom ? There isn't a law saying that other govts must comply to our wishes Also maybe they didn't hand over Osama because he had been dead already .... and he was just being used as a Ghost to pit 9/11 on ? [/b][/quote] They wouldn't hand over the guy who planned an attack that killed 3000 of our civilians on our own soil. That's some serious shit, bro. You comply with someone if they confront you about something like that. If they don't, take em out. An eye for an eye may make the whole world blind, but at least you won't be the only one who can't see shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 [quote name='Johnsons4Life' post='276243' date='Jun 1 2006, 11:21 PM']They attacked and killed 3000 americans.[/quote] [b]Correction .... [u]SOMEONE ATTACKED AMERICA on 9/11[/u] .... (Suspects include Al Qaeda, Mossad, CIA, etc) it has never been proven who did this ? The case has never been tried in a court of law ? And noone has ever been convicted of taking down the towers ? Quit just repeating stupid shit without thinking about what you're saying. Even the official story is that 19 men carried out the attack .... well all 19 of them died during it .... those all guilty people already have been killed .... now we have never found anyone overseas who was part of it .... and all we have is some shotty tapes of a guy that somewhat looks like Osama who says he planned it ... (but we don't even have Osama either ... and never will .... because he doesn't exist any longer) [/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 [quote name='Die Hard Orange and Black' post='276244' date='Jun 1 2006, 11:21 PM']In war different rules apply. If they come to our soil, they have different rights.[/quote] When one extradites someone he or she is pluked from a country that allows such to stand a trial in this county, that doesnt mean that the person has even stepped foot on our soil. (Think cybercrime) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 [quote name='#22' post='276250' date='Jun 1 2006, 11:25 PM']So wait...as a conservative, you are saying that the government is [b]completely unqualified[/b] to run your money, your health care, your education, or any other part of your life... except they rock at judiciously tracking down the bad guys. [/quote] [b]pwned [/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BadassBengal Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 [quote name='BlackJesus' post='276252' date='Jun 1 2006, 11:26 PM'][b]Correction .... [u]SOMEONE ATTACKED AMERICA on 9/11[/u] .... (Suspects include Al Qaeda, Mossad, CIA, etc) it has never been proven who did this ? The case has never been tried in a court of law ? And noone has ever been convicted of taking down the towers ? Quit just repeating stupid shit without thinking about what you're saying. Even the official story is that 19 men carried out the attack .... well all 19 of them died during it .... those all guilty people already have been killed .... now we have never found anyone overseas who was part of it ....[b] and all we have is some shotty tapes of a guy that somewhat looks like Osama who says he planned it ... [/b](but we don't even have Osama either ... and never will .... because he doesn't exist any longer) [/b][/quote] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] You're just gasping for air now, BJ. I'm done with you and this argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Orange and Black Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 [quote name='#22' post='276250' date='Jun 1 2006, 11:25 PM']So wait...as a conservative, you are saying that the government is [b]completely unqualified[/b] to run your money, your health care, your education, or any other part of your life... except they rock at judiciously tracking down the bad guys. [/quote] That was to make a point on the right to know/exist arguement. I don't believe I have ever identified myself. And, some parts of gov run better than others. Hell I work for the gov. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 [quote name='BadassBengal' post='276251' date='Jun 1 2006, 11:25 PM']They wouldn't hand over the guy who planned an attack that killed 3000 of our civilians on our own soil. That's some serious shit, bro. You comply with someone if they confront you about something like that. If they don't, take em out. An eye for an eye may make the whole world blind, but at least you won't be the only one who can't see shit.[/quote] [b]What if there was no OSAMA to hand over ???? you can't hand over a Ghost or a dead guy Also we never even knew for sure that Osama was in Afghanistan at that time .... if anything he could have been in Allie Pakistan or China .... also he could have been dead as reported in Saudi Arabia months before .... Also if Osama was there ... they didn't have control over him or have him in custody .... thus how could they hand him over ? [/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Orange and Black Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 [quote name='BlackJesus' post='276252' date='Jun 1 2006, 11:26 PM'][b]Correction .... [u]SOMEONE ATTACKED AMERICA on 9/11[/u] .... (Suspects include Al Qaeda, Mossad, CIA, etc) it has never been proven who did this ? The case has never been tried in a court of law ? And noone has ever been convicted of taking down the towers ? Quit just repeating stupid shit without thinking about what you're saying. Even the official story is that 19 men carried out the attack .... well all 19 of them died during it .... those all guilty people already have been killed .... now we have never found anyone overseas who was part of it .... and all we have is some shotty tapes of a guy that somewhat looks like Osama who says he planned it ... (but we don't even have Osama either ... and never will .... because he doesn't exist any longer) [/b][/quote] I like how some people think the CIA might be involved. Hell, some people think the CIA must run everything in our country. Not saying its you BJ you just brought it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 [quote name='BlackJesus' post='276180' date='Jun 1 2006, 08:31 PM'][b]1. None of these guys flew anything into anything [b]you're right because the ones that did are dead. [b] 2. We don;t know if they killed anyone [/b]BJ, yes we do. You will NEVER hear about an intel success on television or through the media outlets on the internet....because the 99.5% of the times that CIA, FBI, Homeland Security, local law enforcement etc successfully thwart a terrorist threat, it's never reported because of security concerns, ie, we don't want to reveal how we did somethig for fear of disclosing the way our intel network operates.[/b] 3. We don't know that they blew up shit [b]Actually, I'm inclined to believe that the people who are detained at Gitmo are more than likely very bad folks who wish to destroy us, and have expressed such ideas...although you are right about one thing, I think we should be putting trials together for these guys if our evidence is so convincing against them.....[/b] 4. Some of us can make a living, and not have our heads up our ass at the same time. [/b][/quote] And some of us can realize that there isn't a vast conspiracy behind everything our government does, up to and including engaging in an unpopular war......[b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 [quote name='BlackJesus' post='276257' date='Jun 1 2006, 11:29 PM'][b]What if there was no OSAMA to hand over ???? you can't hand over a Ghost or a dead guy Also we never even knew for sure that Osama was in Afghanistan at that time .... if anything he could have been in Allie Pakistan or China .... also he could have been dead as reported in Saudi Arabia months before .... Also if Osama was there ... they didn't have control over him or have him in custody .... thus how could they hand him over ? [/b][/quote] They didnt deny his existance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 [quote name='BadassBengal' post='276255' date='Jun 1 2006, 11:27 PM'][img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] You're just gasping for air now, BJ. I'm done with you and this argument.[/quote] [b]run along now tom ..... and defend the CIA who spied on the guy in your sig, and defend the fact that a govt could never do anything sketchy ... when in fact in the 1960's they used blacks for medical experiments .... (tuskegee) run along now [/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Orange and Black Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 [quote name='BlackJesus' post='276257' date='Jun 1 2006, 11:29 PM']Also we never even knew for sure that Osama was in Afghanistan at that time .... if anything he could have been in Allie Pakistan or China .... also he could have been dead as reported in Saudi Arabia months before ....[/quote] That goes back to the whole, the gov doesn't tell us everything arguement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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