jza10304 Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 [url="http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science/02/17/global.warming.reut/index.html"]CNN Article[/url] [color="blue"]Turns out that global warming may actually be happening and humans might be causing it (GASP!).[/color] [b]Scientists: Global warming is real Friday, February 18, 2005 Posted: 4:59 AM EST (0959 GMT) [/b] WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- Studies looking at the oceans and melting Arctic ice leave no room for doubt that it is getting warmer, people are to blame, and the weather is going to suffer, climate experts have said. New computer models that look at ocean temperatures instead of the atmosphere show the clearest signal yet that global warming is well under way, Tim Barnett of the Scripps Institution of Oceanography said. Speaking at an annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, Barnett said climate models based on air temperatures are weak because most of the evidence for global warming is not even there. "The real place to look is in the ocean," Barnett told a news conference. His team used millions of temperature readings made by the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration to calculate steady ocean warming. "The debate over whether or not there is a global warming signal is now over, at least for rational people," he said. The report was published one day after the United Nations Kyoto Protocol took effect, a 141-nation environmental pact the United States government has spurned for several reasons, including stated doubts about whether global warming is occurring and is caused by people. Barnett urged U.S. officials to reconsider. "Could a climate system simply do this on its own? The answer is clearly no," Barnett said. His team used U.S. government models of solar warming and volcanic warming, just to see if they could account for the measurements they made. "Not a chance," he said. And the effects will be felt far and wide. "Anywhere that the major water source is fed by snow ... or glacial melt," he said. "The debate is what are we going to do about it." Other researchers found clear effects on climate and animals. Ruth Curry of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution found that melting ice was changing the water cycle, which in turn affects ocean currents and, ultimately, climate. "As the Earth warms, its water cycle is changing, being pushed out of kilter," she said. "Ice is in decline everywhere on the planet." A circulation system called the Ocean Conveyer Belt is in danger of shutting down, she said. The last time that happened, northern Europe suffered extremely cold winters. She said the changes were already causing droughts in the U.S. west. Greenland's ice cap, which contains enough ice to raise sea levels globally by 23 feet (7 meters), is starting to melt and could collapse suddenly, Curry said. Already freshwater is percolating down, lubricating the base and making it more unstable. Sharon Smith of the University of Miami found melting Arctic ice was taking with it algae that formed an important base of the food supply for a range of animals. And the disappearing ice shelves meant big animals such as walruses, polar bears and seals were losing their homes. "In 1997 there was a mass die-off of a bird called the short-tailed shearwater in the Bering Sea," Smith told the news conference. The birds, which migrate from Australia, starved to death for several years running when warmer waters caused a plankton called a coccolithophore to bloom in huge numbers, turning the water an opaque turquoise color. "The short-tailed shearwater couldn't see its prey," Smith said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bengal_Smoov Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 It's amazing that Cheney won't even consider all the scientific data that proves global warming is real and the human race is to blame. Do you think that the huge corporations would lobby to get the current administration to take that stance? Judging from Cheney's stance on many other issues it doesn't surprise me that he would feel this way, the man is out-of-touch with the rest of the world. The United States is one of the leading polluters in the world, we need to take responsibility and do something before it's too late. Regardless of the cost, something must be done to save our environment. The wealthy who run the corporations that are responsible don't care because their already trying to colonize space. Also a change in our habits and energy source is a must if we are going to try to do something about this problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatScratchFever Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Interesting, but I didn't really read anything here that hasn't been shown on the Discovery Channel for the last few years. Nothing new, I mean. The earth has been warmer than this before, and it's been cooler... I have yet to see any real evidence that the warming isn't part of a natural cycle that we can't do anything about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengalrick Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 [quote name='CatScratchFever' date='Feb 18 2005, 10:47 AM']Interesting, but I didn't really read anything here that hasn't been shown on the Discovery Channel for the last few years. Nothing new, I mean. The earth has been warmer than this before, and it's been cooler... I have yet to see any real evidence that the warming isn't part of a natural cycle that we can't do anything about. [right][post="48747"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] i agree... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 [quote name='jza10304' date='Feb 18 2005, 11:12 AM'][url="http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science/02/17/global.warming.reut/index.html"]CNN Article[/url] [color="blue"]Turns out that global warming may actually be happening and humans might be causing it (GASP!).[/color] [b]Scientists: Global warming is real Friday, February 18, 2005 Posted: 4:59 AM EST (0959 GMT) [/b] WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- Studies looking at the oceans and melting Arctic ice leave no room for doubt that it is getting warmer, people are to blame, and the weather is going to suffer, climate experts have said.... ..."The debate over whether or not there is a global warming signal is now over, at least for rational people," he said. ...[b]"Could a climate system simply do this on its own? The answer is clearly no," Barnett said.[/b]... [right][post="48743"][/post][/right][/quote] Clearly no?!?!?!? Is everyone aware that dinosaur fossils have been found in [b]Montanna[/b]? Montanna is not exactly a tropical region today. And what about the ice age? Mankind wasn't doing anything industrial then! Oh, and it wasn't that long ago that the fuss was over global cooling! 1975 - Newsweek (requires adobe): [url="http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/coolingworld.pdf"]http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/coolingworld.pdf[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jza10304 Posted February 18, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 [quote name='Jason' date='Feb 18 2005, 11:53 AM']Clearly no?!?!?!? Is everyone aware that dinosaur fossils have been found in [b]Montanna[/b]? Montanna is not exactly a tropical region today. And what about the ice age? Mankind wasn't doing anything industrial then! Oh, and it wasn't that long ago that the fuss was over global cooling! 1975 - Newsweek (requires adobe): [url="http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/coolingworld.pdf"]http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/coolingworld.pdf[/url] [right][post="48750"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] Rush??? [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/31.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bengal_Smoov Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 So what about the holes in the ozone layer? Are those not real? Those holes don't directly effect extreme changes in the weather? You can't honestly think that the excessive amount of pollutants aren't having a negative affect on the environment and that something must be done. It's a fact that the polar ice caps are melting, which is causing the level of the ocean to rise. The reason why the ice caps are melting is there is a hole in the ozone layers above the polar ice caps, this hole was caused by pollution. The Greenhouse Effect makes the Earth suitable for human life but the increase in human pollution is causing the temperature to rise, which is not a good thing. There is too much scientific data out there to dismiss this situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 [quote name='Bengal_Smoov' date='Feb 18 2005, 10:19 AM']So what about the holes in the ozone layer? Are those not real? Those holes don't directly effect extreme changes in the weather? You can't honestly think that the excessive amount of pollutants aren't having a negative affect on the environment and that something must be done. It's a fact that the polar ice caps are melting, which is causing the level of the ocean to rise. The reason why the ice caps are melting is there is a hole in the ozone layers above the polar ice caps, this hole was caused by pollution. The Greenhouse Effect makes the Earth suitable for human life but the increase in human pollution is causing the temperature to rise, which is not a good thing. There is too much scientific data out there to dismiss this situation. [right][post="48754"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] How do we know that holes in the ozone layer didn't exist before, like say millions of years ago when there was rampant volcanic activity spewing all manner of gases and ash into the atmosphere? I don't think the argument here is whether pollution is good or bad, of course it's bad, but the question that still in my mind hasn't been proven is: IS pollution the ONLY cause of the changes we're witnessing right now? Are these changes part of a cycle that is inevitable, but pollution has no effect/accelerates the process? Ice ages and global warming have happened before man existed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 [quote name='jza10304' date='Feb 18 2005, 12:16 PM']Rush??? [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/31.gif[/img] [right][post="48752"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] No, Newsweek. Rush just provides the link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRAYCAT Posted February 19, 2005 Report Share Posted February 19, 2005 I'll be dead long before that matters to me anyway. Knock down more tree's give me 50 cent gas so all us driving our gas guzzlers won't bitch. 120 gallons of gas at $2.21 a gallon sucks as far as boating goes now. [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/37.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted February 19, 2005 Report Share Posted February 19, 2005 [quote name='STRAYCAT' date='Feb 18 2005, 06:25 PM']I'll be dead long before that matters to me anyway. Knock down more tree's give me 50 cent gas so all us driving our gas guzzlers won't bitch. 120 gallons of gas at $2.21 a gallon sucks as far as boating goes now. [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/37.gif[/img] [right][post="48898"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] Let me guess...you're a liberal Democrat that tows his boat with a hybrid car... [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRAYCAT Posted February 19, 2005 Report Share Posted February 19, 2005 [quote name='Bunghole' date='Feb 19 2005, 12:16 AM']Let me guess...you're a liberal Democrat that tows his boat with a hybrid car... [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//24.gif[/img] Â [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//24.gif[/img] Â [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//24.gif[/img] [right][post="48986"][/post][/right][/quote] nope, a republican with a Don Rickles since of humor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 19, 2005 Report Share Posted February 19, 2005 [quote name='Bengal_Smoov' date='Feb 18 2005, 11:46 AM']It's amazing that Cheney won't even consider all the scientific data that proves global warming is real and the human race is to blame. Do you think that the huge corporations would lobby to get the current administration to take that stance? Judging from Cheney's stance on many other issues it doesn't surprise me that he would feel this way, the man is out-of-touch with the rest of the world. [b]The United States is one of the leading polluters in the world, we need to take responsibility and do something before it's too late.[/b] Regardless of the cost, something must be done to save our environment. The wealthy who run the corporations that are responsible don't care because their already trying to colonize space. Also a change in our habits and energy source is a must if we are going to try to do something about this problem. [right][post="48746"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] Here's the interesting thing though. China is a MUCH bigger polluter than we are. As are several other 3rd world countries. And guess what. Those countries are NOT AFFECTED by the Kyoto treaty! And one good volcanic eruption puts more greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere at one time, than we have in the past 100 years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest BlackJesus Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 [img]http://www.iris.edu/news/IRISnewsletter/fall97.news/GIFS/rev.Grnlnd.Iclnd2.GIF[/img] Fuck it I am buying Land in Greenland.... By the time I retire... it will be a nice cozy 60 degrees..... and Green ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalsCat Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 Yeah i dont believe in global warming... Our planet goest through climate shifts. It was getting colder for awhile a long while now we are getting warmer and everyone thinks we are doing it.. Do u realy thing we could actualy harm something that has been around for 2 billion years?? that is a lil bit upity of ourselfes... dont u think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barefootpope Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 Did it ever occur to anyone that climate shifts are part of the earth's cycle, AND we are causing the present climate shift? We are causing it prematurely. The damage to the ozone layer is the telltale sign. So far as all modern science can tell us, the ozone layer has been intact since it first developed aeons ago--until the last couple of decades. The damage to the ozone layer is PRECISELY what is causing the premature climate change. More ultraviolet radiation than ever before is reaching the earth's surface, and its melting the polar ice caps. The scientific indications of this are not only legion, but irrefutable. The biggest problem with this, as with all other issues on which the American people fail to be informed, is the media. Quite simply, they give us whatever parts of the whole of world events they want--for a variety of reasons. I'm not enough of a conspiracy theorist to think I have any place being more specific than that. But the media molds public opinion more directly and completely than any other person or institution in America. For specifics, see a book called "Out of Order" about the 1996 Presidential campaign(and many before). I'm not a scholar, this guy is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barefootpope Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 [quote name='BengalsCat' date='Feb 21 2005, 12:46 PM']Yeah i dont believe in global warming... Our planet goest through climate shifts. It was getting colder for awhile a long while now we are getting warmer and everyone thinks we are doing it.. Do u realy thing we could actualy harm something that has been around for 2 billion years?? that is a lil bit upity of ourselfes... dont u think? [right][post="49533"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] valid point, very Carlin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 [color="red"]I thought these posters were interesting [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [/color] [img]http://www.templetons.com/brad/cfgw.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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barefootpope Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 [quote name='BlackJesus' date='Feb 23 2005, 03:27 AM'][color="red"]I thought these posters were interesting [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [/color] [img]http://www.templetons.com/brad/cfgw.jpg[/img] [right][post="50240"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] that is f-ing hilarious! I'd like to put that on my wall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 I'm just not so sure about science having proven without a doubt that human-related pollutants are the sole and only cause of either global warming and/or the accelerant of the cyclic nature of the Earth to over time get hot then cold.... I need data, not conjecture.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest steggyD Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 [quote name='Bunghole' date='Feb 26 2005, 03:33 AM']I'm just not so sure about science having proven without a doubt that human-related pollutants are the sole and only cause of either global warming and/or the accelerant of the cyclic nature of the Earth to over time get hot then cold.... I need data, not conjecture.... [right][post="51944"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] I agree. Even though my latest spiritual journeys in life have brought me to a more natural view of life, I think our actions seem very insignificant in the grand scheme of things. It's a huge planet and a vast universe, I just don't believe that we are as harmful as we think we are. Scientists say Earth has been through many ice ages, which means it has been through warm periods also, correct? And all of this before we have invented the wheel. And how many animals have become extinct before mankind according to scientists? Maybe we have just become a little too conceited. On the other hand, I would like to see better care taken of the planet by some. And when I fly across the country by jet, it's amazing how much land is actually just lit up now. I am also in awe about all the fishing holes and hiking spots I used to hit when I was a young lad in Kentucky that are now communities. So I guess I am just split on this whole debate. I also think that humans are great at adapting to the environment. If our rivers are polluted and we outlaw tobacco farms, we transform those farms into fish farms. So in the end, there will be food. I think for whatever problem arises, we will figure out a way to survive. Who really cares if some albino tropical tree frog dies off. Was he necessary to our survival? I think we want to live on so badly that we will conquer just about every threat to our miserable lives. Even if it means starting up that death star in Saturn's orbit and finding another planet suitable for life. Drunken rant ends here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 very concise and funny, Steggy... I am too drunk with alcohol to say more right now.. Will respond tomorrow...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Tigers Johnson| Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 This may sound stupid or just simple of me but..... Has anyone stopped to consider changes in the sun itself causing any of this? The sun is a star that changes and will eventually burn out. The human race will not live for ever. I kind of look at it like this. The human race is a virus... a simple cold you could say that when the earth and sun have had enough of us they will shrug us off with one good sneeze. Unless of course we cause a nuclear holocaust and take care of ourselves first. Which I think is much more likely than global warming ending civilization. Priorities people priorities!!! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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