Who-Dey_Show Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 St. Louis Cardinals pitcher Josh Hancock died in an auto accident last night in the city limits of St. Louis. He was a former Red that was cut for being over weight [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2853149"]http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2853149[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go Tory Go! Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 I thought this was going to be Krivsky's vindication when Hancock died of a heart attack. Sad, another example of St. Louis pitchers' high mortality rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengals4ever Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 Didn't another ex-Red pitcher die earlier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaGs_McNasty Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 [quote name='bengals4ever' post='479590' date='Apr 29 2007, 06:42 PM']Didn't another ex-Red pitcher die earlier?[/quote] Cory Lidle died in a plane crash in October of last year. He was a Reds pitcher in 2004 before being traded to the Phillies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ONYX Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 [color="#FF0000"][b]Based on the stuff I have read that describes the accident, this death sounds like the result of driving under the influence. It's just a hunch on my part though........anyway, it is still a sad story.[/b][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ickeyshuffler Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 [quote name='sneaky' post='479891' date='Apr 30 2007, 04:46 AM'][color="#FF0000"][b]Based on the stuff I have read that describes the accident, this death sounds like the result of driving under the influence. It's just a hunch on my part though........anyway, it is still a sad story.[/b][/color][/quote] just because he hit a tow truck doesn't mean he was drunk. I ran into a wall on columbia parkway last year and totaled my car. I wasn't drinking, i was just tired from working a 12 hour shift and fell asleep at the wheel. Baseball players live hard life when they are on the road, and i'm sure the don't get the proper amount of sleep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest A-Men-HouseofPain Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 [quote name='whodey24k' post='480045' date='Apr 30 2007, 11:32 AM']just because he hit a tow truck doesn't mean he was drunk. I ran into a wall on columbia parkway last year and totaled my car. I wasn't drinking, i was just tired from working a 12 hour shift and fell asleep at the wheel. Baseball players live hard life when they are on the road, and i'm sure the don't get the proper amount of sleep.[/quote] they had been in home for like 3 straight days though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oldschooler Posted May 1, 2007 Report Share Posted May 1, 2007 [quote][size=5][b]Hancock had close call days before death[/b][/size] By Joe Strauss and Jake Wagman ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH 05/01/2007 Cardinals pitcher Josh Hancock was in a potentially serious traffic accident less than three days before the one that took his life Sunday, according to police reports. Hancock walked away from that early Thursday morning crash uninjured, but he was late for the team's afternoon game a few hours later. The club and several teammates said he had overslept. But sources say he was late because he was hung over. Two nights later, after pitching in a Saturday afternoon game, [b]Hancock spent the evening at Mike Shannon's Steaks and Seafood drinking to a point of impairment, according to a couple at the restaurant. The couple said they overheard Hancock telling ESPN broadcaster Dave Campbell that manager Tony La Russa had been infuriated with Hancock on Thursday because he was "too hung over to play." A club source also said Hancock was hung over when he arrived at the ballpark. Hancock was killed about 12:30 a.m. Sunday as he drove west from downtown, apparently headed to meet with four teammates in Clayton. Three days earlier, Hancock had a close call when his vehicle edged several inches into the intersection of Yellow Brick Road and Illinois Route 3. A Sauget police spokesman said Monday that a tractor-trailer struck Hancock's GMC Denali, tearing off the vehicle's front bumper. "Just another inch or so and he could have died two days earlier, because that tractor-trailer was traveling about 45 to 50 miles per hour," according to Sauget Police Chief Patrick Delaney.[/b] Neither Hancock nor the truck's driver was injured, and Hancock was not ticketed. "He apparently inched forward to get ready to make a left-hand turn to go northbound on Route 3. I don't know if he didn't realize the front of his vehicle had just inched enough onto the southbound roadway," Delaney said. The accident occurred at 5:30 a.m., less than five hours before the Cardinals were due to arrive at Busch Stadium for a 12:10 start against the Cincinnati Reds. La Russa declined to say Monday whether he had knowledge of Hancock's Thursday accident. "That's not a baseball-related question so I don't think I'll answer it." The man who sat near Hancock at Shannon's on Saturday night — who asked to be identified only as Vince — said he overheard Hancock tell Campbell that he missed the start of Thursday's game because he had spent the previous night drinking. Hancock told Campbell that La Russa fined him $500, according to the man. "They were standing behind us at the bar, probably for about 45 minutes," said a second witness, Vince's wife, who did not want her name revealed. She said Hancock had "several" drinks. Campbell, reached late Monday, said, "I was standing there minding my own business. A kid named Josh Hancock introduced himself to me. I've never met him before in my life. ... A couple people at ESPN (asked me), 'Did you think he was inebriated?' In my opinion, I couldn't tell. I'm not a toxicologist. ... "As to the statement somebody made that he told me something about Tony La Russa, all I can say is that is absolutely 100 percent false. If he said it, I didn't hear it either through the noise or because I wasn't paying attention." Campbell explained why he didn't come forward earlier, saying, "I'm not the story. He is. I didn't want to throw him under the bus. I didn't want to talk about the fact that I had run into him. I'm not that type of journalist. ... I did not want the family to suffer any more, so I didn't want the fact to be known I was having a drink with him." Because of the first accident, Hancock rented a 2007 Ford Explorer, which he drove to Busch Stadium on Saturday morning. Hancock was on his way to join a group of Cardinals teammates at Café Napoli in Clayton about 12:30 a.m. Sunday when his Ford Explorer ran into a 26,000 pound lift truck dispatched to an earlier accident. Hancock had text messaged a member of the group, which included center fielder Jim Edmonds, relief pitcher Ryan Franklin, catcher Gary Bennett and second baseman Adam Kennedy. The last members of the group left around 1:30 a.m. without knowledge of the accident. [b]The scene at Shannon's[/b] After working three innings in the Cardinals' 8-1 loss to the Chicago Cubs, Hancock dined at Mike Shannon's. The two eyewitnesses who saw Hancock at the restaurant bar said he remained at the establishment when they left at 10:31 p.m. Pat Shannon, manager at Shannon's, told the Post-Dispatch on Sunday that Hancock told her he planned to stop at the Westin Hotel several blocks away. Shannon said she offered to call a cab for Hancock, but he declined the invitation. She declined to verify whether Hancock had been drinking but said she personally phoned police Chief Joe Mokwa, telling him "everything I know about last night." Restaurant owner and Cardinals broadcaster Mike Shannon declined to comment further Monday, saying, "I don't discuss matters concerning my customers, whoever they are." The two witnesses said Hancock appeared impaired. "He had a mixed drink in one hand and a cigarette in the other," Vince said. "And my wife's comment was, 'He can barely put a sentence together.'" A manager at the restaurant and bar inside the Westin, the Clark Street Grill, says he does not know if Hancock was there Saturday. [b]La Russa's warning[/b] La Russa seemed to fire a pre-emptive shot at the media Monday. He said he told his club to be leery of the media seeking to exploit events. "I also had a very important caution: Be careful of the insincerity of some media people … trying to befriend you then trying to slam you with something that they want to turn this into, some kind of story that's not all sweet," La Russa said. "I've already seen signs of that. I'm sitting here listening. The first time I hear insincerity I'll start swinging this fungo because it doesn't have its place." Pressed about his message, La Russa said, "I'm just talking about people who really don't care about us, who are out there trying to further their own agendas. That's exactly what I mean." On Sunday, Mokwa did not provide specifics surrounding an investigation of the accident, but he did volunteer that no alcohol containers were found in Hancock's vehicle. Preliminary results from an autopsy could be released as early as today, but that won't include the toxicology report, which is expected to take two to six weeks. Mokwa speculated that Hancock was traveling at or slightly above the posted speed limit. Police accounts say Hancock did not brake before hitting the tow truck but tried to swerve at the last moment. On Monday, former pitcher Cal Eldred and broadcaster Rick Horton, a member of Baseball Chapel and chairman of the St. Louis chapter of Fellowship of Christian Athletes, traveled to Milwaukee to provide support to the players. "Obviously, everybody is grieving and sad about the loss that we have had," said pitcher Chris Carpenter. "Josh was a great player, a great teammate, a great guy in the clubhouse. We're going to miss him." The Cardinals continued to limit access to their players Monday. After initially announcing that the clubhouse would open at 3:45 p.m. — 70 minutes after its regular time — the club changed its mind and ordered it closed during its entire pre-game routine. The club received permission from Major League Baseball to abbreviate, but not to completely shut off, pre-game access. La Russa said he would restore routine access today. The Cardinals will wear black patches with Hancock's No. 32 for the remainder of the season. La Russa emphasized to his team the need to go on. "Doesn't this happen to people every day all over? Everybody loses family and friends," said La Russa, citing the mother of an Oakland A's equipment manager who died recently. "People are losing family and friends on a daily basis and they grieve and they go on with their lives. We're not immune to that."[/quote] [url="http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/E60CF4326FCA8483862572CE00145F0A?OpenDocument"]http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/st...0A?OpenDocument[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sm00th_kw Posted May 1, 2007 Report Share Posted May 1, 2007 In having met and talked to Josh on a couple different occations when he pitched for the Reds it saddens me to hear of his death. Very friendly guy. But I'm not shocked to learn that alcohol (I'm sure they'll also find other things, unless he's changed since moving to StL) was in his body, in fact I kind of assumed it when I heard he died. He hit it pretty hard here in Cincinnati...lived above a bar downtown. RIP Josh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 Not to sound insensitive, but it has been revealed his blood alcohol was 2x the legal limit, he was speeding, and talking on his cell phone. Darwin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go Tory Go! Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 [quote name='Jason' post='482640' date='May 4 2007, 03:03 PM']Not to sound insensitive, but it has been revealed his blood alcohol was 2x the legal limit, he was speeding, and talking on his cell phone. Darwin?[/quote] ...without a seatbelt on. Darwin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go Tory Go! Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 [quote name='sneaky' post='479891' date='Apr 30 2007, 04:46 AM'][color="#FF0000"][b]Based on the stuff I have read that describes the accident, this death sounds like the result of driving under the influence. It's just a hunch on my part though........anyway, it is still a sad story.[/b][/color][/quote] Negrodamus! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BengalBacker Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 They also found pot and glass pipes in his car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go Tory Go! Posted May 5, 2007 Report Share Posted May 5, 2007 I guess playing in Anheuser-Busch Stadium II has its perks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CincyInDC Posted May 5, 2007 Report Share Posted May 5, 2007 [quote name='Jason' post='482640' date='May 4 2007, 03:03 PM']Not to sound insensitive, but it has been revealed his blood alcohol was 2x the legal limit, he was speeding, and talking on his cell phone. Darwin?[/quote] [quote name='Go Tory Go!' post='482650' date='May 4 2007, 03:17 PM']...without a seatbelt on. Darwin.[/quote] I was going to say Natural Selection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBandJoeyV Posted May 5, 2007 Report Share Posted May 5, 2007 Is it just me or will the relationship between the players and Larussa be kinda akward now that one of their friends died drunk driving and Larussa was drunk driving like a couple months before that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ONYX Posted May 5, 2007 Report Share Posted May 5, 2007 [quote name='Go Tory Go!' post='482652' date='May 4 2007, 03:20 PM']Negrodamus![/quote] [color="#FF0000"][b] Nah. Usually when someone drives into a parked truck, something is not right. To me, it seemed kind of obvious, yet the media seemed to deliberatley not even imply that Hancock may have been drunk. However, if it had been a player that the media hates, such as Bonds or Conseco, they would have been all over the DUI angle of the story.[/b][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MULLY Posted May 8, 2007 Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 Either way it's too bad. Rest in peace. MULLY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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