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[quote name='sneaky' post='494727' date='Jun 3 2007, 04:25 PM'][color="#FF0000"][b]Considering I do not follow the Reds, I have heard all kinds of hype about this Bailey guy.

I dont know what the public's expectation of him is but if he comes in and stinks up the joint
like most of the Reds' pitchers, I see no hope for this franchise in the near or distant future.

Actually I see no hope for this franchise in the near or distant future now, but if Bailey flops
in his first few starts, it will just confirm it.[/b][/color][/quote]
I have no expectations. He can't be any worse than the current pitching staff, so I say give the guy a shot.
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[quote name='sneaky' post='494727' date='Jun 3 2007, 04:25 PM']Considering I do not follow the Reds, I have heard all kinds of hype about this Bailey guy.

I dont know what the public's expectation of him is but if he comes in and stinks up the joint
like most of the Reds' pitchers, I see no hope for this franchise in the near or distant future.

[b]Actually I see no hope for this franchise in the near or distant future now, but if Bailey flops
in his first few starts, it will just confirm it.[/b][/quote]
Not true at all. Look at Felix Hernandez. He had like a 4.74 ERA his first year and that isnt anything to get excited about and now he is becoming a beast as expected.
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[quote name='A-Men-HouseofPain' post='495003' date='Jun 4 2007, 01:41 PM']Not true at all. Look at Felix Hernandez. He had like a 4.74 ERA his first year and that isnt anything to get excited about and now he is becoming a beast as expected.[/quote]


What does Felix Hernandez have to do with Homer Bailey?

Regardless what Homer Bailey does he is not the savior of this franchise, this franchise needs 4 more Homer Baileys to have a fighting chance. It is truly sad that the only thing Reds fans have to grasp at is one unproven minor league pitcher.
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[quote name='CJandRudiJ' post='494771' date='Jun 3 2007, 06:03 PM']after all that talk i just made, im so fucking pissed at this fucking team, way to blow a fucking 8-2 game!!!!

Fuck gary majewski and coutlangus and whoever else is in our bullpen.

They are the only thing holding this team back right now[/quote]

My dumb ass fell for it again. I actually chalked up the win yesterday in the 6th for some dumb reason. I usually don't count on any single digit lead in the 9th inning.

To the thread topic, he better pitch better than Livingston, or he's on his way back down. I didn't watch Livingston pitch the last time, but winning 4-2 tells me that he must've looked pretty decent. And i don't remember his first start being that bad. Any worse than Lohse or Milton at the time.
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[quote][size=3][b]Homer has no answer[/b]
Prospect hasn't been told if he'll start for Reds[/size]
BY JOHN FAY | JFAY@ENQUIRER.COM


If you're looking for confirmation that Homer Bailey will start on Saturday against Cleveland, don't expect the pitcher to provide it.

On Monday, Bailey said he has not gotten the official word from Reds management.

"All I know is I've heard I'm under consideration," he said.

Bailey wouldn't say whether he's ready.

"That's not for me to decide. That's up to them," he said.

But you can bet your Diamond Club seats that the 21-year-old thinks he can perform at the major league level.

On Sunday in Colorado, Reds manager Jerry Narron all but said Bailey will start on Saturday.

General manager Wayne Krivsky wouldn't quite go that far. "Nothing has been finalized," he said Sunday.

The Reds haven't officially announced anything. There are tickets available for all three games with Cleveland.

Bailey, the Reds' No. 1 pick in the 2004 draft, is 6-1 with a 2.31 ERA in 10 starts for Triple-A Louisville. He was sent there to polish his game for the majors.

"I think the biggest thing I've learned is what it takes to be consistent," he said. "I struggled with that my first year. But since the All-Star break last year, I've been able to stay consistent."

Bailey is 13-2 with a 1.99 ERA over 23 starts in stops at Double-A Chattanooga and Louisville since last year's All-Star break.

He said he's had to learn consistency on the job.

"Definitely," Bailey said. "It's not something anyone can tell you. It's not something you can read in a book. You've got to do it. You've got to see what works for you."

Bailey's normal turn in the Bats' rotation is Thursday. He doesn't think an extra day or two of rest will affect him.

"Not at all," he said. "You just have to adjust the way you prepare."[/quote]



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[quote][size=3][b]BAILEY AT LOUISVILLE[/b][/size]

Here is a look at Homer Bailey's season thus far:

Date Opponent IP H ER BB SO W-L ERA
April 8 Toledo 51/3 1 1 3 4 1-0 1.69
April 14 Norwich 5 3 1 3 4 1-0 1.94
April 20 Norwich 5 4 1 2 3 1-0 1.76
April 25 Richmond 6 4 1 1 2 1-1 1.69
May 1 Ottawa 6 4 2 4 5 2-1 1.98
May 7 Ottawa 7 4 1 2 3 3-1 1.84
May 12 Syracuse 51/3 6 3 4 6 3-1 2.27
May 22 Colorado Spr. 52/3 1 0 2 7 4-1 1.99
May 28 Charlotte 7 5 1 0 9 5-1 1.89
June 2 Durham 6 7 4 3 8 6-1 2.31
Totals -- 581/3 39 15 24 51 6-1 2.31[/quote]



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[quote name='Storm' post='495011' date='Jun 4 2007, 10:09 AM']What does Felix Hernandez have to do with Homer Bailey?

Regardless what Homer Bailey does he is not the savior of this franchise, this franchise needs 4 more Homer Baileys to have a fighting chance. It is truly sad that the only thing Reds fans have to grasp at is one unproven minor league pitcher.[/quote]
its truly sad that you have this hatred for the reds because they cant afford to have a 100 million dollar payroll, but then its fans like you that hardly contribute shit to the team that are bitching they dont spend enough.

this is so far off its unbelievable. the fans arent just grasping onto homer cuz we have nothing else, its because we havent had a homegrown pitcher/player in a long time. there is always more of a passion for a player when he has only been in your franchise. the fans have a lot of players to grasp: Edwin, Phillips, Hamilton, Harang, Arroyo for the obvious ones (some would argue dunn and griffey, i dont). Bray will soon join this list as well. Plus there is some more good young talent making its way up such as Livingston, Votto, Dumatrait, Bruce. This team needs RP, RP, RP. You sit here and rip the entire team just because they need some RP. The fix at 1B is in AAA, the future OFs are set to replace Griffey and Dunn. 2B is set, 3B is set. SS is good for now. This team really only needs 2 things, RP and C at the major league level and a future SS in the minors.
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It was hilarious how Lance was bawling because he wasn't sure if Homer was pitching Saturday and he wanted to make plans to go. But he also was crying because he wasn't sure if he was coming up at all and that the Reds were infuriating him by keeping a "phenom" in AAA. Phenom? Did he totally ignore Spring Training?

And Amen, did you see my comment about Livingston? What's your thoughts on why they sent him back down after going 6+ with no earned runs?
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It was just announced that Homer will start FRIDAY instead. This really pisses me off cause we already bought tickets for Saturday and I already had plans to go to KI Friday. :thumbsdown:

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[quote][size=3][b]Homer to start Friday[/b]
Prospect will make Major League debut vs. Cleveland[/size]
BY JOHN FAY | JFAY@ENQUIRER.COM



The Reds announced this morning that pitcher Homer Bailey will start Friday night against the Cleveland Indians.

As of late Monday night, there were tickets available for the game at Great American Ball Park.

Bailey, the Reds' No. 1 pick in the 2004 draft, is 6-1 with a 2.31 ERA in 10 starts for Triple-A Louisville. He was sent there to polish his game for the majors.

On Monday, before he'd gotten official word from the Reds, Bailey wouldn't say whether he's ready.

But you can bet your Diamond Club seats that the 21-year-old thinks he can perform at the major league level. The time in the minor leagues has helped.

"I think the biggest thing I've learned is what it takes to be consistent," he said. "I struggled with that my first year. But since the All-Star break last year, I've been able to stay consistent."

He said he's had to learn consistency on the job.

"Definitely," Bailey said. "It's not something anyone can tell you. It's not something you can read in a book. You've got to do it. You've got to see what works for you."

Bailey is 13-2 with a 1.99 ERA over 23 starts in stops at Double-A Chattanooga and Louisville since last year's All-Star break.

Bailey's normal turn in the Bats' rotation is Thursday. He doesn't think an extra day of rest will affect him.

"Not at all," he said. "You just have to adjust the way you prepare."[/quote]



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[quote name='Hooky' post='495734' date='Jun 5 2007, 11:12 AM']It was hilarious how Lance was bawling because he wasn't sure if Homer was pitching Saturday and he wanted to make plans to go. But he also was crying because he wasn't sure if he was coming up at all and that the Reds were infuriating him by keeping a "phenom" in AAA. Phenom? Did he totally ignore Spring Training?

[b]And Amen, did you see my comment about Livingston? What's your thoughts on why they sent him back down after going 6+ with no earned runs?[/b][/quote]
they needed bullpen help and there wasnt an open spot in the rotation until friday/saturday. PLUS livingston said his arm was sore and they wanted to try out Homer the next open start. Livingston has gotten himself in some bad situations, but finds a way to get himself out. Livingston could pitch up here or he could get more work in AAA. I think they are debating on what to do with Belisle. IMO Belisle should move to MR. And run a rotation of Harang-Arroyo-Lohse-Livingston-Bailey.

[quote name='WhoDeyForever' post='495777' date='Jun 5 2007, 11:54 AM']It was just announced that Homer will start FRIDAY instead. This really pisses me off cause we already bought tickets for Saturday and I already had plans to go to KI Friday. :thumbsdown:[/quote]
i got tickets for friday :) hahahahahahha!

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[quote name='A-Men-HouseofPain' post='495919' date='Jun 5 2007, 03:20 PM']they needed bullpen help and there wasnt an open spot in the rotation until friday/saturday. PLUS livingston said his arm was sore and they wanted to try out Homer the next open start. Livingston has gotten himself in some bad situations, but finds a way to get himself out. Livingston could pitch up here or he could get more work in AAA. I think they are debating on what to do with Belisle. IMO Belisle should move to MR. And run a rotation of Harang-Arroyo-Lohse-Livingston-Bailey.


i got tickets for friday :) hahahahahahha![/quote]
ok your point? I'm gonna probably change my plans and go friday.

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[quote][size=3][b]Homer's Odyssey[/b]
With Bailey-mania at a fever pitch, Reds' hot prospect gets the call[/size]
BY JOHN ERARDI | JERARDI@ENQUIRER.COM


Homer Bailey's scheduled start Friday night against the Cleveland Indians at Great American Ball Park is the most ballyhooed debut by a Reds starting pitcher in 30 years.

The 21-year-old blue-chip prospect is seen by many Reds fans as the franchise's savior - possibly for this season and surely for the future.

"I don't think the Reds are looking for me to be a big season-changer," Bailey said Tuesday. "I think, in their mind, it's 'Let's get him up here now just in case (we make a run) ... let him make his adjustments now, and if we need him later on in the season, he's already got his feet wet.' "

Is the fireballing right-hander here to stay?

"I don't think this is going to be a one-start-and-out deal," Reds manager Jerry Narron said. "I sure hope it's not."

One has to go back to future Hall of Famer Tom Seaver - newly acquired from the New York Mets in 1977 - to find a new Reds starter whose unveiling was as eagerly anticipated as Bailey's.

The biggest difference is that Seaver was acquired June 15 and started June 18 (he pitched a three-hit shutout in Montreal).

Bailey-mania, on the other hand, has been going on for a year and a half, which is about how long Reds fans have been clamoring for him to be called up. Bailey wowed everybody in spring training 2006.

And, truth be told, Bailey-mania has existed a lot longer than that. It goes back to June 2004, when the Reds made the Texas high school standout - and national player of the year by many publications - their No. 1 draft pick, a year after opening their new ballpark with so much promised and so little delivered.

Now, Bailey is supposed to make up for all that.

Through the years, the Reds have had phenom starters break in (Jim Maloney, Don Gullett, Gary Nolan) and near-unknowns break out (Tom Browning, who was 20-6 as a rookie in 1985). They've had offseason acquisitions with big and small shoes to fill (Jose Rijo for Dave Parker, and Danny Jackson for Kurt Stillwell and Ted Power, both for the 1988 season). And they've had midseason additions meant to put the team over the top (David Wells in 1995).

But for anticipation - for knowing a lot about a pitcher before he ever gets here - there are only two names: Seaver and Bailey.

Bailey is seen by Reds fans as the redeemer for all that has been wrong with this franchise since Browning made his debut Sept. 9, 1984, in Los Angeles.

That's the last time the Reds debuted a starter who was homegrown and then would go on to amount to anything.

Remember Ty Howington and Chris Gruler? If you're a Reds fan, you can't forget. They were the Reds' No. 1 draft choices in 1999 and 2002, respectively. Both were seen as future starting pitchers. Both were injured as minor-leaguers. Neither got even close to Cincinnati's ballpark.

Bailey is close now. And he is not intimidated.

Said Bailey: "At first, you're kind of nervous ... but after a while, you're like: 'This is where I want to be. This is what I've been working for, this is what I've been looking forward to. And now here's the time, so appreciate the challenge.' "

Bailey waited for the shot he said he knew would come if he pitched well this year, which he did, going 6-1 with a 2.31 ERA in 581/3 innings at Triple-A Louisville.

"It was kind of funny. ... All the guys I was playing against last year are all getting called up ... and I was like, 'You're forgetting somebody over here,' " he said, laughing.

Bailey has dominated at every level in the minors.

"It's nice to see somebody here who you think has earned his way here," Narron said.

Why the call-up now?

"We need a fifth starter," Narron said. "Things worked out for him."

Outfielder Josh Hamilton, another highly touted Reds rookie, put it more succinctly.

"Why not?" Hamilton said.

Bailey said he's looking forward to "playing against the best players in the world ... getting to challenge yourself every day, being in a major-league clubhouse, walking out in front of 40,000 fans or 20,000 fans, playing in cathedrals that are stadiums nowadays.

"What more do you want?"

Enquirer reporter John Fay contributed[/quote]



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I always get pissed when somebody refers to our town as being a bunch of hicks, but I think it's sad that people are getting this excited about a minor league player. Would any town with a successful team fill their pants over a minor league pitcher coming up? It's just that local sports fans have nothing else to get excited about. If it were football season, I don't think this would be as big. I can't even remember the last name of that Ryan guy, the last pitching prospect that Reds fans went ape shit over. WHere is he now? I'm not syaing that Homer is going to fail, but he better hope that the defense improves and that he can go 9 innings every start if he wants to win games. I will probably watch the game unless I find something better to do. I would get more excited over a Mariano Riveira-esque relief/closer. Like someone else already said, they need about 4 or 5 solid pitchers. Even Arroyo's given up an average of 7 runs in his last 3 starts. A friend of ours has a boat near his and she thinks that he's been stinking cause he's been partying too much.
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[quote name='Hooky' post='496321' date='Jun 6 2007, 08:25 AM']I always get pissed when somebody refers to our town as being a bunch of hicks, but I think it's sad that people are getting this excited about a minor league player. Would any town with a successful team fill their pants over a minor league pitcher coming up? It's just that local sports fans have nothing else to get excited about. If it were football season, I don't think this would be as big. I can't even remember the last name of that Ryan guy, the last pitching prospect that Reds fans went ape shit over. WHere is he now? I'm not syaing that Homer is going to fail, but he better hope that the defense improves and that he can go 9 innings every start if he wants to win games. I will probably watch the game unless I find something better to do. I would get more excited over a Mariano Riveira-esque relief/closer. Like someone else already said, they need about 4 or 5 solid pitchers. Even Arroyo's given up an average of 7 runs in his last 3 starts. A friend of ours has a boat near his and she thinks that he's been stinking cause he's been partying too much.[/quote]
Ryan Wagner? The guy we dealt to the Nationals?
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[quote name='Hooky' post='496384' date='Jun 6 2007, 12:28 PM']Yeah. What's he up to?[/quote]
He's hurt. He is currently a reliever. IMO, he is better than any of our relievers right now besides McBeth but I have never seen him play yet..I still can't believe that trade..Terrible trade.
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[quote name='Hooky' post='496321' date='Jun 6 2007, 08:25 AM']I always get pissed when somebody refers to our town as being a bunch of hicks, but I think it's sad that people are getting this excited about a minor league player. Would any town with a successful team fill their pants over a minor league pitcher coming up? It's just that local sports fans have nothing else to get excited about. If it were football season, I don't think this would be as big. I can't even remember the last name of that Ryan guy, the last pitching prospect that Reds fans went ape shit over. WHere is he now? I'm not syaing that Homer is going to fail, but he better hope that the defense improves and that he can go 9 innings every start if he wants to win games. I will probably watch the game unless I find something better to do. I would get more excited over a Mariano Riveira-esque relief/closer. Like someone else already said, they need about 4 or 5 solid pitchers. Even Arroyo's given up an average of 7 runs in his last 3 starts. A friend of ours has a boat near his and she thinks that he's been stinking cause he's been partying too much.[/quote]

Yankee fans were pumped to see Hughes called up (didn't dissappoint), Giant fans were pumped to see Lincecum called up (didn't dissappoint)...

There's two towns with successful teams for ya...
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[quote name='Palmer4HOF' post='496425' date='Jun 6 2007, 01:37 PM']Yankee fans were pumped to see Hughes called up (didn't dissappoint), Giant fans were pumped to see Lincecum called up (didn't dissappoint)...

There's two towns with successful teams for ya...[/quote]

Pumped yes, but to the extent that this town is? I doubt it. I heard there is a billboard up with him on it.
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[quote name='Hooky' post='496433' date='Jun 6 2007, 01:48 PM']Pumped yes, but to the extent that this town is? I doubt it. I heard there is a billboard up with him on it.[/quote]
dude hughes was so fuckin popular in NYY it was insane. they were definitely as excited.
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