Early guess at 53 man roster

[akiliMVP]

[b][u]Offense: 25[/u][/b]
QB - Carson Palmer, J.T. O'Sullivan, Jordan Palmer (3)
RB - Cedric Benson, Bernard Scott, Brian Leonard (3)
FB - Jeremi Johnson (1)
WR - Chad Ochocinco, Antonio Bryant, Andre Caldwell, Jordan Shipley, Matt Jones, Quan Cosby (6)
TE - Jermaine Gresham, Chase Coffman, Reggie Kelly (3)
LT - Andrew Whitworth, Anthony Collins (2)
LG - Evan Mathis, Nate Livings (2)
C - Kyle Cook, Jonathan Luigs (2)
RG - Bobbie Williams (1)
RT - Andre Smith, Dennis Roland (2)

[u][b]Defense: 25[/b][/u]
DE - Antwan Odom, Robert Geathers, Michael Johnson, Carlos Dunlap, Jonathan Fanene (5)
DT - Domata Peko, Tank Johnson, Pat Sims, Geno Atkins (4)
OLB - Keith Rivers, Rey Maualuga, Brandon Johnson, Rashad Jeanty, Roddrick Muckelroy (5)
MLB - Dhani Jones, Abdul Hodge (2)
CB - Leon Hall, Johnathan Joseph, Brandon Ghee, Morgan Trent (4)
FS - Chris Crocker, Tom Nelson (2)
SS - Roy Williams, Chinedum Ndukwe, Kyries Hebert (3)

[u][b]Specialists: 3[/b][/u]
K - Mike Nugent (1)
P - Kevin Huber (1)
LS - Clark Harris (1)

[happyrid]

I was looking at this last night and came to the same conclusions basically. Though I had Vakapuna instead of JJ, just because JJ is still a FA. Same with Coats over Reggie Kelly who is still a FA. I think Cottam is a guy who could beat out Coats for #3 TE if they don't resign Reggie. If those 2 guys sign, I agree that they'd make the roster but I'm not sure if they'll be brought back.

Also, I am not sure of the health of Jon Luigs. I thought I read he had a couple surgeries. I'm not sure if he'll be ready or not and I wouldn't be shocked if they tried to get him a 2nd redshirt year by putting him on IR. If that was to happen, I think you could see either Santucci or Hudson make the team in his place.

Lastly, I wonder if the Bengals will try to move either Morgan Trent or Kiewan Ratliff to FS. I'd be surprised if Nelson is the answer there but yet the coaches seemed very confident in the depth. Is is possible that they're moving one of the CBs back there?

[Memphis_Bengal]

I think Briscoe bumps Caldwell, Jones or Cosby for the last WR spot.

[akiliMVP]

[quote name='Memphis_Bengal' date='25 April 2010 - 09:21 AM' timestamp='1272201713' post='883501']
I think Briscoe bumps Caldwell, Jones or Cosby for the last WR spot.
[/quote]
Cosby is a lock. One of the best punt returners in the NFL.

I think Jones and Caldwell have a large advantage over a 6th round rookie.

[Bengals1181]

[b][u]Offense: 25[/u][/b]
QB - Carson Palmer, J.T. O'Sullivan, Jordan Palmer (3)
RB - Cedric Benson, Bernard Scott, Brian Leonard (3)
FB - Fui Vakapuna (1)
WR - Chad Ochocinco, Antonio Bryant, Andre Caldwell, Jordan Shipley, Dezmon Briscoe, Quan Cosby (6)
TE - Jermaine Gresham, Chase Coffman, Reggie Kelly (3)
LT - Andrew Whitworth, Anthony Collins (2)
LG - Evan Mathis, Nate Livings (2)
C - Kyle Cook, Jonathan Luigs (2)
RG - Bobbie Williams (1)
RT - Andre Smith, Dennis Roland (2)

[u][b]Defense: 25[/b][/u]
DE - Antwan Odom, Robert Geathers, Michael Johnson, Carlos Dunlap, Jonathan Fanene (5)
DT - Domata Peko, Tank Johnson, Pat Sims, Geno Atkins (4)
OLB - Keith Rivers, Rey Maualuga, Brandon Johnson, Rashad Jeanty, Roddrick Muckelroy (5)
MLB - Dhani Jones, (1)
CB - Leon Hall, Johnathan Joseph, Brandon Ghee, Morgan Trent, David Jones (5)
FS - Chris Crocker, Bryan Evans (2)
SS - Roy Williams, Chinedum Ndukwe, Kyries Hebert (3)

[u][b]Specialists: 3[/b][/u]
K - Mike Nugent (1)
P - Kevin Huber (1)
LS - Clark Harris (1)





Main "surprises":


UDFA FS Bryan Evans beats out Tom Nelson. I could also see Nelson staying instead of Hebert. Regardless, I think Evans wins a spot.

Dezmon Briscoe over Matt Jones. I think Jones will surprise, but I think Briscoe sticks based on contract length, age and longterm potential. Don't think he'd stick on the practice squad. Keep in mind it sounds like the coaching staff graded him as a 3rd or 4th round pick, but had already taken Shipley. Too high on their board to pass up in the 6th. So they think highly of him.

Fui Vakapuna as the fullback. Barring Jeremi being resigned, its his spot. Also think Leonard will see some snaps at FB, and Fui some snaps as a power back.


MLB may "look" thin, but Rey, Rivers and Muckelroy all can slide inside to MLB.

Kelly brought in to mentor Coffman and Gresham.

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='Bengals1181' date='25 April 2010 - 09:54 AM' timestamp='1272203667' post='883517']
[b][u]Offense: 25[/u][/b]
QB - Carson Palmer, J.T. O'Sullivan, Jordan Palmer (3)
RB - Cedric Benson, Bernard Scott, Brian Leonard (3)
FB - Fui Vakapuna (1)
WR - Chad Ochocinco, Antonio Bryant, Andre Caldwell, Jordan Shipley, Dezmon Briscoe, Quan Cosby (6)
TE - Jermaine Gresham, Chase Coffman, Reggie Kelly (3)
LT - Andrew Whitworth, Anthony Collins (2)
LG - Evan Mathis, Nate Livings (2)
C - Kyle Cook, Jonathan Luigs (2)
RG - Bobbie Williams (1)
RT - Andre Smith, Dennis Roland (2)

[u][b]Defense: 25[/b][/u]
DE - Antwan Odom, Robert Geathers, Michael Johnson, Carlos Dunlap, Jonathan Fanene (5)
DT - Domata Peko, Tank Johnson, Pat Sims, Geno Atkins (4)
OLB - Keith Rivers, Rey Maualuga, Brandon Johnson, Rashad Jeanty, Roddrick Muckelroy (5)
MLB - Dhani Jones, (1)
CB - Leon Hall, Johnathan Joseph, Brandon Ghee, Morgan Trent, David Jones (5)
FS - Chris Crocker, Bryan Evans (2)
SS - Roy Williams, Chinedum Ndukwe, Kyries Hebert (3)

[u][b]Specialists: 3[/b][/u]
K - Mike Nugent (1)
P - Kevin Huber (1)
LS - Clark Harris (1)





Main "surprises":


UDFA FS Bryan Evans beats out Tom Nelson. I could also see Nelson staying instead of Hebert. Regardless, I think Evans wins a spot.

Dezmon Briscoe over Matt Jones. I think Jones will surprise, but I think Briscoe sticks based on contract length, age and longterm potential. Don't think he'd stick on the practice squad. Keep in mind it sounds like the coaching staff graded him as a 3rd or 4th round pick, but had already taken Shipley. Too high on their board to pass up in the 6th. So they think highly of him.

Fui Vakapuna as the fullback. Barring Jeremi being resigned, its his spot. Also think Leonard will see some snaps at FB, and Fui some snaps as a power back.


MLB may "look" thin, but Rey, Rivers and Muckelroy all can slide inside to MLB.

Kelly brought in to mentor Coffman and Gresham.
[/quote]

So you just wanted to argue just to argue with me about Cosby.

[Bengals1181]

[quote name='Jamie_B' date='25 April 2010 - 09:59 AM' timestamp='1272203988' post='883519']
So you just wanted to argue just to argue with me about Cosby.


[/quote]


huh? What did we argue about? His size? him being a lock?


I don't think he's a lock, but I think he'll beat out Simpson due to being able to play special teams.


I think drafting Shipley was a clear sign that they don't expect Jones or Simpson to do much.



If Simpson "gets it", wouldn't shock me at all that they keep him over Cosby. Shipley can do everything Cosby does.

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='Bengals1181' date='25 April 2010 - 10:03 AM' timestamp='1272204209' post='883522']
huh? What did we argue about? His size? him being a lock?


I don't think he's a lock, but I think he'll beat out Simpson due to being able to play special teams.


I think drafting Shipley was a clear sign that they don't expect Jones or Simpson to do much.



If Simpson "gets it", wouldn't shock me at all that they keep him over Cosby. Shipley can do everything Cosby does.
[/quote]


We argued about him being a lock if we drafted Gillaryd, I made the argument that he is one of the better returners and even if we drafted Gillaryd he would still be a lock. We drafted Shipley who is also a returner and now you still pick Cosby, basically you just wanted to argue.

[Bengals1181]

[quote name='Jamie_B' date='25 April 2010 - 10:07 AM' timestamp='1272204449' post='883525']
We argued about him being a lock if we drafted Gillaryd, I made the argument that he is one of the better returners and even if we drafted Gillaryd he would still be a lock. We drafted Shipley who is also a returner and now you still pick Cosby, [b]basically you just wanted to argue.[/b]
[/quote]


basically, no I didn't.


Cosby is on the team for his special teams play. Gilyard is a much better special teamer than Cosby. If we drafted him, Cosby had a real chance of being gone.

Shipley is a good special teamer too. However, he's far and away a much better WIDE RECEIVER than either Cosby or Gilyard. They probably won't use Shipley too much on special teams because of his value as a WR. If they do however, Cosby may be in trouble.



Seriously, you're trying to revert back to an argument about a player we didn't even draft?


Shipley vs. Cosby and Cosby vs. Gilyard isn't comparable at all.

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='Bengals1181' date='25 April 2010 - 10:16 AM' timestamp='1272204992' post='883532']
basically, no I didn't.


Cosby is on the team for his special teams play. Gilyard is a much better special teamer than Cosby. If we drafted him, Cosby had a real chance of being gone.

Shipley is a good special teamer too. However, he's far and away a much better WIDE RECEIVER than either Cosby or Gilyard. They probably won't use Shipley too much on special teams because of his value as a WR. If they do however, Cosby may be in trouble.



Seriously, you're trying to revert back to an argument about a player we didn't even draft?


Shipley vs. Cosby and Cosby vs. Gilyard isn't comparable at all.
[/quote]


My argument has to do with the special teams aspect cosby brings, they arent going to let him go due to how good of a returner he is, gillyard and shipley are unknown on the nfl level at that, cosby is not. Yes shipley is a better wr than cosby but the argument was about what cosby brings in the return game. You basically agree when you put him on your roster.

[Bengals1181]

[quote name='Jamie_B' date='25 April 2010 - 10:19 AM' timestamp='1272205185' post='883534']
My argument has to do with the special teams aspect cosby brings, they arent going to let him go due to how good of a returner he is, gillyard and shipley are unknown on the nfl level at that, cosby is not. Yes shipley is a better wr than cosby but the argument was about what cosby brings in the return game. You basically agree when you put him on your roster.
[/quote]


yes, and in that argument (like what, 2 days ago?) was that Gilyard would have brought more to the return game than Cosby. I stand by that. He wasn't drafted, and this is a dumb argument now. YOU just want to argue.


Go pick your daily fight somewhere else and stop fucking up a good thread.

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='Bengals1181' date='25 April 2010 - 10:23 AM' timestamp='1272205390' post='883536']
yes, and in that argument (like what, 2 days ago?) was that Gilyard would have brought more to the return game than Cosby. I stand by that. He wasn't drafted, and this is a dumb argument now. YOU just want to argue.


Go pick your daily fight somewhere else and stop fucking up a good thread.
[/quote]


Your the one stomping up and down because you got called on it. I just find a humorous irony that you basically agreed with me.

[Bengals1181]

[quote name='Jamie_B' date='25 April 2010 - 10:24 AM' timestamp='1272205488' post='883538']
Your the one stomping up and down because you got called on it. I just find a humorous irony that you basically agreed with me.
[/quote]


man you are a dumbfucker.


My argument was Gilyard would/could beat out Cosby for a roster spot. The Bengals didn't draft Gilyard.


There is no argument to get called on. Again, stop fucking up a good thread.

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='Bengals1181' date='25 April 2010 - 10:29 AM' timestamp='1272205762' post='883542']
man you are a dumbfucker.


My argument was Gilyard would/could beat out Cosby for a roster spot. The Bengals didn't draft Gilyard.


There is no argument to get called on. Again, stop fucking up a good thread.
[/quote]


you made an argument about a wr who is good in the return game, which shipley is as well, and the replacement of cosby with regard to that, then when shipley who offers both a return game and a good wr can be a replacement for cosby (which you then said specifically that after he was drafted), it is basically the same argument its just that shipley adds more than just a return game but you still kept cosby. I find that funny after you argued about it with me.

[Bengals1181]

[quote name='Jamie_B' date='25 April 2010 - 10:35 AM' timestamp='1272206117' post='883546']
you made an argument about a wr who is good in the return game, which shipley is as well, and the replacement of cosby with regard to that, then when shipley who offers both a return game and a good wr can be a replacement for cosby (which you then said specifically that after he was drafted), it is basically the same argument its just that shipley adds more than just a return game but you still kept cosby. I find that funny after you argued about it with me.
[/quote]


you just don't get it. It's not the same argument.

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='Bengals1181' date='25 April 2010 - 10:37 AM' timestamp='1272206241' post='883548']
you just don't get it.
[/quote]


i get it perfectly, you just dont want to admit you agreed with me

[Bgal]

I bet if we went back through each thread, over half of them would have Jamie arguing with someone.

The only locks in the WR core are Chad and Bryant. Everyone else needs to fucking bring it during camp or they will be replaced.

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='Bgal' date='25 April 2010 - 10:41 AM' timestamp='1272206474' post='883551']
I bet if we went back through each thread, over half of them would have Jamie arguing with someone.

The only locks in the WR core are Chad and Bryant. Everyone else needs to fucking bring it during camp or they will be replaced.
[/quote]


and I bet half of those arguments would be with 1181

[Bengals1181]

[quote name='Jamie_B' date='25 April 2010 - 10:37 AM' timestamp='1272206272' post='883549']
i get it perfectly, you just dont want to admit you agreed with me
[/quote]


holy shit dude, just shut up. You don't even know what the fuck you're talking about anymore.


Gilyard is leaps and bounds better than Cosby IMO on teams. Gilyard could have stolen his job.


Shipley isn't leaps and bounds better than Cosby IMO on teams. Shipley is fighting Jones and Simpson for PT more than Cosby.


The two situations aren't comparable.






[b]But to stroke your ego (because that's what this is all about anyway):[/b] Yes Jamie, you were right, I was wrong. You're an idiot.

[Oldcat]

I think the chance that Hudson doesn't stick is nil, and I don't see them PSing him either. Marvin says the team grades match NFL grades, and if so he could be snatched. And even if it isn't so, the team THINKs that it might happen.

Last year we had Koostra as a all around backup at the bottom of the depth chart. I think Hudson fills that role now.

The last time I remember us trying to stash a draft pick on PS, Toeana who was a 6th rounder, he got grabbed.

Looking at your choices, I think you have too many DBs. One of those corners will go - Trent or David Jones.

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='Bengals1181' date='25 April 2010 - 10:43 AM' timestamp='1272206587' post='883554']
holy shit dude, just shut up. You don't even know what the fuck you're talking about anymore.


Gilyard is leaps and bounds better than Cosby IMO on teams. Gilyard could have stolen his job.


Shipley isn't leaps and bounds better than Cosby IMO on teams. Shipley is fighting Jones and Simpson for PT more than Cosby.


The two situations aren't comparable.






[b]But to stroke your ego (because that's what you really want out of this):[/b] Yes Jamie, you were right, I was wrong. You're an idiot.
[/quote]

Get the sand out of your vag, I dont want to stoke anything, I just found a humorous irony it it thats all.

[Bengals1181]

[quote name='Jamie_B' date='25 April 2010 - 10:45 AM' timestamp='1272206703' post='883557']
Get the sand out of your vag, I dont want to stoke anything, I just found a humorous irony it it thats all.
[/quote]


its sad that you can't even spell the word "stroke" right. It's only 6 letters.

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='Bengals1181' date='25 April 2010 - 10:46 AM' timestamp='1272206805' post='883560']
its sad that you can't even spell the word "stroke" right. It's only 6 letters.
[/quote]




always revert back to the spelling thing

[scharm]

[quote]Lastly, I wonder if the Bengals will try to move either Morgan Trent or Kiewan Ratliff to FS. I'd be surprised if Nelson is the answer there but yet the coaches seemed very confident in the depth. Is is possible that they're moving one of the CBs back there? [/quote]

I think Ratliff fits as a FS.

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='scharm' date='25 April 2010 - 10:48 AM' timestamp='1272206925' post='883562']
I think Ratliff fits as a FS.
[/quote]


Its been months so I dont recall but werent they using him at that spot a bit last year?