Ben Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 if you are "building through the draft", isnt it kinda important to have scouts? From lances blog Things that make you go hmmmm [b]COLTS FOOTBALL OPERATIONS (Colts.com)[/b] Chris Polian, Vice President of Football Operations Steve Champlin, Director of Football Administration Tom Telesco, Director of Player Personnel Dom Anile, Sr. Consultant to Player Personnel Clyde Powers, Director of Pro Player Personnel David Caldwell, Western Regional Scout Todd Vasvari, Eastern Regional Scout John Becker, Area Scout Ryan Cavanaugh, Area Scout Mark Ellenz, Area Scout Bob Guarini, Area Scout Byron Lusby, Area Scout Matt Terpening, Area Scout Kevin Rogers, Pro Scout J. W. Jordan, Salary Cap/Personnel Analyst Stefani Paul, Player Development Administrator Jamie Moore, Scouting Assistant Carlos Woods, Scouting Assistant Debbie Finn, Asst. to the Director of Player Personnel [b] Cincinnati Bengals (Bengals.com)[/b] Peter Brown, Sr VP-Player Personnel Paul Brown, VP Player Personnel Jim Lippincott, Director of Football Operations Duke Tobin, Director of Player Personnel Greg Seamon, Scout Earl Biederman, Scouting Consultant John Cooper, Scouting Consultant Bill Tobin, Scouting Consultant Debbie LaRocca, Personnel Assistant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 [quote name='Ben' post='437711' date='Feb 6 2007, 03:43 PM']if you are "building through the draft", isnt it kinda important to have scouts? From lances blog Things that make you go hmmmm [b]COLTS FOOTBALL OPERATIONS (Colts.com)[/b] Chris Polian, Vice President of Football Operations Steve Champlin, Director of Football Administration Tom Telesco, Director of Player Personnel Dom Anile, Sr. Consultant to Player Personnel Clyde Powers, Director of Pro Player Personnel David Caldwell, Western Regional Scout Todd Vasvari, Eastern Regional Scout John Becker, Area Scout Ryan Cavanaugh, Area Scout Mark Ellenz, Area Scout Bob Guarini, Area Scout Byron Lusby, Area Scout Matt Terpening, Area Scout Kevin Rogers, Pro Scout J. W. Jordan, Salary Cap/Personnel Analyst Stefani Paul, Player Development Administrator Jamie Moore, Scouting Assistant Carlos Woods, Scouting Assistant Debbie Finn, Asst. to the Director of Player Personnel [b] Cincinnati Bengals (Bengals.com)[/b] Peter Brown, Sr VP-Player Personnel Paul Brown, VP Player Personnel Jim Lippincott, Director of Football Operations Duke Tobin, Director of Player Personnel Greg Seamon, Scout Earl Biederman, Scouting Consultant John Cooper, Scouting Consultant Bill Tobin, Scouting Consultant Debbie LaRocca, Personnel Assistant[/quote] The Bengals have 12 in the PR dept and only 6 scouts [url="http://cincinnati.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/sports/NFL/cincinnati_bengals/"]Cincinnati Management Page[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted February 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 [quote name='Storm' post='437829' date='Feb 6 2007, 02:10 PM']The Bengals have 12 in the PR dept and only 6 scouts [url="http://cincinnati.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/sports/NFL/cincinnati_bengals/"]Cincinnati Management Page[/url][/quote] Scouts cost money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 [quote name='Ben' post='437835' date='Feb 6 2007, 07:16 PM']Scouts cost money[/quote] I was wrong, they really only show 3 in the PR dept but 12 in the Sales dept and the PR director Jack Brennan is the head of the Sales Dept. Hilarious that there are 2 Browns listed as scouts [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest A-Men-HouseofPain Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 u people are fucking idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WhoDeyForever Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 [quote name='A-Men-HouseofPain' post='437922' date='Feb 6 2007, 04:15 PM']u people are fucking idiots.[/quote] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] It is pretty funny though but it doesent make a difference how many people you have in the scouting department. As long as you get the players you're good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Yojimbo Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 [quote name='A-Men-HouseofPain' post='437922' date='Feb 6 2007, 04:15 PM']u people are fucking idiots.[/quote] [img]http://anthonybradley.worldmagblog.com/anthonybradley/inigomontoya.jpg[/img] "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Yojimbo Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 [b]The Bengals Scouting Department:[/b] [img]http://globetrotter.berkeley.edu/people/Crews/images/reading-sm.jpg[/img] Gee, I wonder why our drafts keep blowing up in our faces? :idunno: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustmck Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 mike brown = cheap bastard greg seamon works for cheeseburgers and miller lite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest A-Men-HouseofPain Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 [quote name='Yojimbo' post='437935' date='Feb 6 2007, 04:26 PM'][b]The Bengals Scouting Department:[/b] [img]http://globetrotter.berkeley.edu/people/Crews/images/reading-sm.jpg[/img] Gee, I wonder why our drafts keep blowing up in our faces? :idunno:[/quote] ya our drafts have been so bad...........how the fuck are u even a bengals fan? all u do is bitch like a cunt. bengals were better off when they were horrible and didnt have shitty ass people like u claim them as their team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Samurai J Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Bengals actually have maybe around 20 scouts. Those listed above PLUS every position coach and assistant (12), Marvin, Brat and Chuck, Mike. Sure is a "small" scouting department.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 [quote name='Yojimbo' post='437935' date='Feb 6 2007, 09:26 PM'][b]The Bengals Scouting Department:[/b] [img]http://globetrotter.berkeley.edu/people/Crews/images/reading-sm.jpg[/img] [b]Gee, I wonder why our drafts keep blowing up in our faces? [/b] :idunno:[/quote] Because Mel Kiper got fired Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bengal Migration| Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 [quote name='A-Men-HouseofPain' post='437968' date='Feb 6 2007, 09:51 PM']ya our drafts have been so bad...........how the fuck are u even a bengals fan? all u do is bitch like a cunt. bengals were better off when they were horrible and didnt have shitty ass people like u claim them as their team.[/quote] x2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bengals1181 Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 [quote name='WhoDeyUK' post='438028' date='Feb 6 2007, 06:22 PM']x2[/quote] x3. Yojimbo, you know you must be pretty stupid if A-men and I are agreeing that you're an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest A-Men-HouseofPain Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 [quote name='Bengals1181' post='438037' date='Feb 6 2007, 06:40 PM']x3. Yojimbo, you know you must be pretty stupid if A-men and I are agreeing that you're an idiot.[/quote] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustmck Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Marvin has drastically improved our drafts as of late, but shit I remember through out all of the 90's it just seemed the Bengals just drafted guys who were All-Americans in college, or who had media hype. Now with Marvin we actually get steals late in the draft as opposed to busts early on. As far as the scouting department goes, I tend to think that one good scout is better than 10 bad ones. Greg Seamon seems to know what he is doing, and I'm surprised he still works for the Bengals considering what I've been told he makes compared to other scouts. I think that in the past Mike Brown just sort of drafted whomever he wanted. Now Marvin(someone who actually knows football) has a say and that helps. But, if you sit up here and tell me that Mike Brown isn't financially tight-laced , then you are oblivious. I love my team, but disapprove of the owner. He wants to win, but doesn't have the knowledge that Marvin does. Luckily Mike knows when to step aside now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest IndianaBengal Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Mike could put all his scouts in this car.-->[img]http://www.a-c-d.dk/brochurer/biler_piger/yugo.jpg[/img] I wouldn't care. I'd still love the Bengals. I've loved em for 27 yrs without a title. Why knock 'em now?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 [quote name='Yojimbo' post='437931' date='Feb 6 2007, 04:23 PM'][img]http://anthonybradley.worldmagblog.com/anthonybradley/inigomontoya.jpg[/img] "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."[/quote] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 [quote name='Bengals1181' post='438037' date='Feb 6 2007, 06:40 PM']x3. Yojimbo, you know you must be pretty stupid if A-men and I are agreeing that you're an idiot.[/quote] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] Oh and x4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 [b]Denver Broncos Scouting dept Player Personnel Ted Sundquist - General Manager Pam Papsdorf - Assistant to the General Manager Jim Goodman - Director of Player Personnel Bobby Beers - College Scout Scott DiStefano - College Scout Ed Lambert - College Scout Greg Miller - College Scout Dan Rambo - College Scout Dale Strahm - College Scout Chris Trulove - Pro Scout Mike Bluem - Director of Football Administration Dave Bratten - College Scouting Coordinator Mike Mascenik - Player Personnel Assistant Fred Fleming - Pro Scouting/ Director of Special Services Seattle Seahawks scouting dept Jay Nienkark Director of Player Administration Lake Dawson Assistant Director of Pro Personnel Chris Culmer Pro Personnel Assistant Scott Fitterer Western Region Director of College Scouting Mike Yowarsky Eastern Region Director of College Scouting Charles Fisher Area Scout (Northeast) Derrick Jensen Area Scout (Southeast) John Peterson Area Scout (Southwest) Mike Phair Area Scout (West) Eric Stokes Area Scout (Midwest) Kirk Parrish College Scouting Coordinator pissburgh Stealers scouting dept Football Operations Kevin Colbert, Director of Football Operations Doug Whaley, Pro Personnel Coordinator Ron Hughes, College Scouting Coordinator Joe Greene, Special Assistant Mark Gorscak, College Scout Phil Kreidler, Pro/College Scout Kelvin Fisher, College Scout Bruce McNorton, College Scout Dan Rooney, College Scout Dave Petett , Blesto Scout Bill Nunn, College Personnel Brandon Hunt - Player Personnel Intern Neither NE or Chicago lists their scouts separately (probably because there are too many to name) So for fun lets look at the Bengals again PLAYER PERSONNEL Pete Brown Senior Vice President - Player Personnel Paul Brown Vice President - Player Personnel Jim Lippincott Director of Football Operations Duke Tobin Director of Player Personnel [u]Greg Seamon Scout[/u] Earl Biederman Scouting Consultant John Cooper Scouting Consultant Bill Tobin Scouting Consultant Debbie LaRocco Personnel Assistant Did anyone notice that the Bengals really only have one guy who is listed as a scout? that probably means he is the only "full time" scout [/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Samurai J Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 This is the 2nd time I'll say this, maybe the actual list of names will have more of an effect. [quote name='Storm' post='438212' date='Feb 7 2007, 07:56 AM']Denver Broncos Scouting dept Player Personnel Ted Sundquist - General Manager Pam Papsdorf - Assistant to the General Manager Jim Goodman - Director of Player Personnel Bobby Beers - College Scout Scott DiStefano - College Scout Ed Lambert - College Scout Greg Miller - College Scout Dan Rambo - College Scout Dale Strahm - College Scout Chris Trulove - Pro Scout Mike Bluem - Director of Football Administration Dave Bratten - College Scouting Coordinator Mike Mascenik - Player Personnel Assistant Fred Fleming - Pro Scouting/ Director of Special Services [color="#FF0000"](Yeah, great for Denver, the team that decided to draft Maurice Clarett.)[/color] Seattle Seahawks scouting dept Jay Nienkark Director of Player Administration Lake Dawson Assistant Director of Pro Personnel Chris Culmer Pro Personnel Assistant Scott Fitterer Western Region Director of College Scouting Mike Yowarsky Eastern Region Director of College Scouting Charles Fisher Area Scout (Northeast) Derrick Jensen Area Scout (Southeast) John Peterson Area Scout (Southwest) Mike Phair Area Scout (West) Eric Stokes Area Scout (Midwest) Kirk Parrish College Scouting Coordinator Pissburgh Stealers scouting dept Football Operations Kevin Colbert, Director of Football Operations Doug Whaley, Pro Personnel Coordinator Ron Hughes, College Scouting Coordinator Joe Greene, Special Assistant Mark Gorscak, College Scout Phil Kreidler, Pro/College Scout Kelvin Fisher, College Scout Bruce McNorton, College Scout Dan Rooney, College Scout Dave Petett , Blesto Scout Bill Nunn, College Personnel Brandon Hunt - Player Personnel Intern Neither NE or Chicago lists their scouts separately (probably because there are too many to name) So for fun lets look at the Bengals again PLAYER PERSONNEL Pete Brown Senior Vice President - Player Personnel Paul Brown Vice President - Player Personnel Jim Lippincott Director of Football Operations Duke Tobin Director of Player Personnel [u]Greg Seamon Scout[/u] Earl Biederman Scouting Consultant John Cooper Scouting Consultant Bill Tobin Scouting Consultant Debbie LaRocco Personnel Assistant Did anyone notice that the Bengals really only have one guy who is listed as a scout? that probably means he is the only "full time" scout [/b][/quote] Bengals Scouting Staff: These "official" four: Greg Seamon, Scout Earl Biederman, Scouting Consultant John Cooper, Scouting Consultant Bill Tobin, Scouting Consultant [b][size=4]PLUS [/size][/b] Marvin Lewis Paul Alexander Jim Anderson Bob Bratkowski Chuck Bresnahan Louie Cioffi Kevin Coyle Paul Guenther Jonathan Hayes Jay Hayes Ricky Hunley Mike Sheppard Darrin Simmons Bob Surace Ken Zampese That's 19 people doing scouting. Wouldn't that make possibly the BIGGEST scouting dept in the NFL????? Cincy is notorious for having their position coaches and assistants do the scouting. The Bengals scouting dept is not a problem, it's just fodder for retareded fans who want to buy into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texbengal Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 [quote name='Storm' post='438212' date='Feb 7 2007, 06:56 AM'][b]Denver Broncos Scouting dept Player Personnel Ted Sundquist - General Manager Pam Papsdorf - Assistant to the General Manager Jim Goodman - Director of Player Personnel Bobby Beers - College Scout Scott DiStefano - College Scout Ed Lambert - College Scout Greg Miller - College Scout Dan Rambo - College Scout Dale Strahm - College Scout Chris Trulove - Pro Scout Mike Bluem - Director of Football Administration Dave Bratten - College Scouting Coordinator Mike Mascenik - Player Personnel Assistant Fred Fleming - Pro Scouting/ Director of Special Services So for fun lets look at the Bengals again PLAYER PERSONNEL Pete Brown Senior Vice President - Player Personnel Paul Brown Vice President - Player Personnel Jim Lippincott Director of Football Operations Duke Tobin Director of Player Personnel [u]Greg Seamon Scout[/u] Earl Biederman Scouting Consultant John Cooper Scouting Consultant Bill Tobin Scouting Consultant Debbie LaRocco Personnel Assistant Did anyone notice that the Bengals really only have one guy who is listed as a scout? that probably means he is the only "full time" scout [/b][/quote] Well, at least Debbie LaRocco's hotter than Pam Papsdorf! You know, if Pam married ex-Bengal great and all-time draft choice Travis Dorsch, she'd be Pam Papsdorf-Dorsch. Yikes, try saying that three times fast! Oh, and BTW, the Bengals forgot to add Bruce Coslet, who I know did (or still does) some scouting in the SE when he wasn't (isn't?) on the golf course. On a serious note, I don't think having a big staff equates to being a good drafting team. Try telling the Dallas Cowboys, who for a number of years weren't effective at all, and although they've gotten better, they've recently whiffed on a number of high choices on the OL (Rogers, Peterman, Al Johnson, and until last year, Andre Gurode). The Stoolers cut Fred Gibson (3rd-round choice) a few years ago in training camp. It happens. I think being successful in the draft is more about defining what qualities you're looking for in a player, both on and off the field, getting value, and not panicking on draft day. To me, where the Bengals have slipped isn't on the athleticism stuff at all, or not knowing about the off-field stuff... it's in underestimating it. The value focus has gotten them into trouble when they trade off great athletic ability and less than ideal character, particularly as a guy slips... look at Thurman and Henry, for example -- guys who were rated very high as athletes, but who slipped in the draft because of off-field stuff. Some teams took them off their boards completely, whereas the Bengals were likely ecstatic to get them where they did. Even if ML's definition of character is more about being a good teammate, a hard worker, etc. - how is it being a good teammate if you're not on the field 'cuz you messed up off of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bengals1181 Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 I''ve said it before and I'll say it again, I'd much rather have our coaches doing the final leg-work rather than some scout who probably never played football. Our scouts do some leg-work during the season and the coaches pick it up after. THere is plenty of time between February and April for coaches to scout all of the players they want either by all-star games or game film. The coaches know what they are looking for, the scouts only know what they THINK the coaches want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted February 7, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 [quote name='Samurai J' post='438219' date='Feb 7 2007, 08:27 AM']This is the 2nd time I'll say this, maybe the actual list of names will have more of an effect. Bengals Scouting Staff: These "official" four: Greg Seamon, Scout Earl Biederman, Scouting Consultant John Cooper, Scouting Consultant Bill Tobin, Scouting Consultant [b][size=4]PLUS [/size][/b] Marvin Lewis Paul Alexander Jim Anderson Bob Bratkowski Chuck Bresnahan Louie Cioffi Kevin Coyle Paul Guenther Jonathan Hayes Jay Hayes Ricky Hunley Mike Sheppard Darrin Simmons Bob Surace Ken Zampese That's 19 people doing scouting. Wouldn't that make possibly the BIGGEST scouting dept in the NFL????? Cincy is notorious for having their position coaches and assistants do the scouting. The Bengals scouting dept is not a problem, it's just fodder for retareded fans who want to buy into it.[/quote] Shouldnt you add the coaching staff of every team as unofficial scouts then? The coaches do not have the time required to be a full tim scout and coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 A few examples of how a better scouting dept could have helped this team, only spent 10 minutes, If I had time the list might be 2 pages long We drafted --------------------------------- could of had Khalid Abdullah----------------------------- Robert Mathis Langston Moore---------------------------- Cato June Dennis Weathersby------------------------ Terrence McGee Chris Henry--------------------------------- Frank Gore* David Pollack ------------------------------ Luis Castillo Kelley Washington ------------------------- Lance Briggs* What we have------------------------------- What we could have had 1 #3 WR------------------------------------- A great defense and a great RB Anyone who thinks the Bengals scouting dept is worth a shit doesn't know what the fuck they are talking about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.