Guest BlackJesus Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 [img]http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/features/images/050214thegates.jpg[/img][img]http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/features/images/050214thegares1.jpg[/img] [color="blue"] Ok I am sure most of you have had the "pleasure" I use this word sarcastically to view the latest attempt at Art in Central Park entitled the "Gates". The short synopsis is that there are thousands of Bright Orange stands with Orange sheets hanging all over the entire Central Park in New York City. It cost 21 million dollars to put up and will be in NYC for 16 days with the hopes to get Tourists from out of town to travel to NYC to see these fuckin sheets stands! This pathetic attempt at art, and gross misues of public space for some idiotic millionaire jagoff to leave his shitty junk all over a public park pisses me off. (Let me add I am a huge fan of accomplished Art.... I feel I can recognize talent or skill even if I don't value the final product.... This however is the equivalent of a bright colored repetitive junkyard) Furthermore .... This is a fucking park not a museum !!! Nature is beautiful enough by itself, and as a park it should remain as untainted by anyones additives as possible. (I recognize sidewalks as an exemption for wheelchairs, strollers and benches for elderly to sit etc.) Few Questions and Statements followed by the latest Article Below: 1. Does Anyone plan on Viewing this ??? (I know we have some NYC people here), If you have already seen it give us your opinion? 2. I realize that almost anything can be art, (People get paid thousands of $ to shit on eachother on stage and call it Defacale' art).... But should we distinguish between difficult art, (not easily duplicated, and takes skill = such as Michealangelos cieling / and Mona Lisas lips which alone took 20 years to paint)from garbage or shit, or paint splotches that some fuchwod throws on canvas? 3. Is this art to you ?, and should rich artists who are friends with the mayor be able to place 6,000 orange hurdles in a park and call it art. What if Bills Gates wants to place Giant fucking Cock statues all through the National Mall in Washington.....? Lastly a statement: [b][color="red"]I hope that a Terrorist organization lights every gate on fire [/color][/b] Article about the 9th retard wonder of the world.....[/color] [u]"Gates" adds spectacle to Central Park Robert L. Pincus UNION-TRIBUNE February 13, 2005 [/u] NEW YORK – Some things are worth the wait. Nearly 26 years after Christo and Jeanne-Claude proposed a sweeping art project for New York, saffron-colored panels dropped from 16-foot-tall archways yesterday, signaling the completion of "The Gates, Central Park, New York City, 1979-2005." Spectators who braved the frigid weather cheered. There didn't seem to be a face without a broad smile. By midday, when all 7,532 gates had been finished, Central Park walkways were dense with people as well as gates. Individual gates became photo opportunities, as visitors posed for family snapshots amid this latest creation by the husband and wife team (they use first names only) who have become global celebrities for their temporary art projects done on a gargantuan scale. Several of their works have become contemporary icons, including "Running Fence, Sonoma and Marin Counties, Calif., 1972-1976," which weaved through hilly terrain for 24½ miles, and "Wrapped Reichstag, Berlin, 1971-1995," which cloaked the architectural landmark with 1,076,000 square feet of silvery cloth. In October 1991, they installed 1,760 tall yellow umbrellas along hills north of Los Angeles and slightly fewer blue ones in Japan. The scope of the current project, which will run only through Feb. 27, is no less daunting. It consists of 7,532 gates lining 23 miles of walkways in Central Park. The gates are spaced about 12 feet apart and vary in width from 5 feet 6 inches to 18 feet, depending on the width of the walkway. More than 600 workers installed the armatures of the gates and completed unfurling the brilliantly colored cloth panels by about midday yesterday. The cloth is pleated and hangs to 7 feet above the walkways. Monitors will staff the park while "The Gates" are up to answer visitors' questions. The cost probably will reach $21 million, a sum – as with their previous efforts – covered wholly by the artists through sales of Christo's drawings and collages. (Those images are signed by Christo, while the large-scale outdoor works carry both of their names.) At a news conference Friday held by the artists and New York City officials, Mayor Michael Bloomberg announced that Christo and Jeanne-Claude would provide an additional $3 million for educational programs on "The Gates." "We wish to create works of joy and beauty in total freedom," Jeanne-Claude said when asked why they pay for every project. "We wish to do it how we want," she continued, and, sporting a smile, added, "but not necessarily when we want it." They got permission from the City of New York to go ahead with "The Gates" on Jan. 22, 2003. The placing of the steel bases in Central Park began last month and the raising of the vinyl-covered frames weeks ago. But the wait for the unfurling of the saffron panels was far too long for 6-year-old Reed Campbell, whose family lives near Central Park. "She kept coming here, waiting to see it," said her father, David Campbell. "I'm crazy about it," Reed said. "They've been talking about it at her school," said Reed's mother, Donna. Sandra Wiskari, who works in the Rights and Reproductions Department at the nearby Metropolitan Museum of Art and is something of a textile aficionado, praised that element of "The Gates." "The texture of the fabric makes it very beautiful, very Zen," Wiskari said. She walks regularly in the park and marveled at the number of people who were braving the biting cold to view them. Each team of gates workers installed about 100 gates, said Allyson Bart, whose group unfurled the cloth panels near 72nd Street and Fifth Avenue. With the pull of a long hook at one end, the saffron would be released and a cardboard tube would fall to the ground. The tubes were then carted away. Another worker, Lisa Helringer-Thompson, who lives in Queens, explained her motivation for signing up: "When I saw 'The Umbrellas,' I was overwhelmed. I knew if there was an opportunity, that is what I wanted to do. I love their philosophy about how the process is as much part of the art as the product." First-day visitors sought high ground, packing the roof garden of the Metropolitan Museum of Art and the park's historic Belvedere Castle for their panoramic views. Viewers at some vantage points got to see what Christo and Jeanne-Claude promised when they said, " 'The Gates' will create a visual golden river appearing and disappearing through the bare branches of the trees." Still, the ground level views of rows of the gates were often more vivid. As Christo confidently observed at Friday's news conference, "You need to spend time walking. The ideal place to see this work of art is underneath the gates." This is an aesthetic homecoming for the artists, who have worked all over the world but lived in New York since 1964. It seems surprising it took this long for the city to embrace the project, since, as Mayor Bloomberg emphasized, it is attracting tourists in what is normally a slow month. But Christo and Jeanne-Claude seem to accept the time lag between the work's conception and realization as part of the process. After all, it took 24 years for their notion of wrapping the Reichstag to reach fruition and a decade to wrap the Pont Neuf in Paris. The history of wrapping, as a signature innovation for Christo, stretches back to 1958, when the Bulgarian-born artist went to Paris. His early wrapped work consisted of small objects, such as the aptly named "Package," which was as much about what is unseen as what is visible. He signed "Christo" to these experimental works but used his family name, Javacheff, on commissioned portraits that paid the bills. In 1958, he met Jeanne-Claude (her family name was Denat de Guillebon), who was born in Casablanca, Morocco, to a well-off French industrialist family. Christo and she were born the same day: June 13, 1935. They were married in 1962. When they came to New York in 1964, Christo began making life-size "Store Fronts," sculptures that resemble the real thing but are done in steel and with concealed windows. (The Museum of Contemporary Art San Diego owns one.) By 1969, he and Jeanne-Claude had wrapped Chicago's Museum of Contemporary Art in 10,000 square feet of tarpaulin and a small section of Australia's coast in 1 million square feet of fabric and ropes. These projects were the first of those that have won them a broad audience. They have remained consistent in their views on how to look at such projects. "It ("The Gates") is only a work of art," Jeanne-Claude said. "It has no practical purpose. It is not a symbol, not a message. It is only a work to express joy and beauty." [img]http://www.artagogo.com/commentary/christo/Christo2.jpg[/img] The artists are pictured sitting above (note her hair color) [img]http://www.christojeanneclaude.net/sharedMedia/TheGates/L-Ref-049W.jpg[/img][img]http://www.christojeanneclaude.net/sharedMedia/TheGates/Gates-51W.jpg[/img] [i][color="green"]Am I the only one that finds this absurd, wasteful, and ridiculous, not to mention a cluttered advertisement for this lowsy artist and his fire crotched wife! I am going to start an art project called Pee al' .... What it will be is a pyramid of 412,000 cups of piss ..... It will be glorious, and thousands of fuckin idiots will travel to Arkansas where I will display my pyramid of piss cups.... you will be able to buy t-shirts, and souvenier replica cups as well...... [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//20.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//20.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//20.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//18.gif[/img] I need to stop before I jump out of a window [/color][/i] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 I remember some years ago flying down to the Keys and saw his work on a mangrove island somewhere near Miami where he draped it with pink cloth never understood it and never will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalsCat Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 This is not art.. It is an excuse to try and be modern art.. Guess u would have to be an NY elietest to get this crap. It looks very cluttered cost way way to much money and it wont help attract people to the park.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bengal_Smoov Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 The good thing is the 21 million came from the artist, not the city. It's all about merchandising baby!! [url="http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/40603.htm"]Click Here[/url] At least some of the proceeds will go to upkeep of the park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalsCat Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 Yeah they will need the upkeep from all the orange crap from flyin around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer_Rice Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//24.gif[/img] Some years ago when I was visiting DC I went to the National Museum of Art to view a Raphael exhibit that was making the rounds. On the way to the exhibit, I had to pass a rather large ensemble of bent up farm implements posing as art. I remember thinking that this stuff should have been left on the farm for spare parts rather than take up space in a prestigious museum. This Central Park thing is just another sign that the end times are coming, or that there is a surplus of shower curtains on the market right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 Only in an overly-wealthy nations do people have the time, resources and wherewithal to hang orange curtains from posts or wrap silvery cloth around statues and call it art. Think of how many hungry bellies these millions of dollars being frivously wasted could feed... Crazy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 [quote]there is a surplus of shower curtains on the market right now.[/quote] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] I bet we could do it cheaper by going to Lowes and Bed Bath and Beyond!! [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/3.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted February 15, 2005 Report Share Posted February 15, 2005 Hey BengalsNyc Can you see this crap from where you live ? [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/3.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 Haaa !!! [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//24.gif[/img] It seems reports are now coming out that some of them are being vandalized... despite the fact that hundreds of cops have been hired to protect them at night Now I want them lit on fire, and tie that damn Fire crotch wife of the creator to one of them too [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//30.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 I just think it's an outrageous waste of money, whether it's pretty or not is a non-issue to me.... Showin' my liberal side....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creechnasty Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 Actually i do think this is art: [img]http://www.christojeanneclaude.net/sharedMedia/TheGates/L-Ref-049W.jpg[/img] the orange on the black and white looks sweet... but seeing how the real world is in color and not black and white it just looks trashy.. what a waste of money [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/30.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mongoloido Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 I like the Gates. My brother and his family are going to the park to enjoy them, and I wish I could find the time to get there myself. I think it's whimsical. To me, it's a splash of color in the winter months that reminds me spring is on the way. It doesn't have to send deep messages. It makes me smile. The gates themselves are pretty. I like the color (who here could possibly hate any shade of orange?). I like this exhibit. I also like the couple's other work. The pink drapery in Miami was a little odd, but so is Miami. The umbrellas in L.A. were really cool. The covering of the bridge in Paris was gorgeous, and complete wrap of the building in Germany was pretty sureal. As for Bung's liberal side... Seems odd that a liberal, who should be defending the importance of the arts in society, is condemning the creative work of an artist. People are poor and hungry all over this country and the world. I don't see you condemning the Bengals or the NFL for paying people millions of dollars to play a game when that money could be better spent feeding the hungry masses. Do you believe the money spent on the Cincinnati Symphony Orchestra could be better spent on the hungry? How about the WEBN Fireworks display? How about the money spent on a single commercial during the SuperBowl? I dunno, man. Seems odd that the caring, feeling liberal only sees a dollar amount on this subject. It's art (like the gates or not, I'll be happy to debate with anyone who feels it isn't art). It's an expression of man that doesn't have to fit structure, form, or purpose. This is, although many here disagree with the results, such a huge part of what makes mankind special. We don't just seek food and shelter. We communicate, create, challenge, seek insight. We feel that we have something special inside of us that we can show to others in a way no one else can. We are unique in appearance and expression. I'll stop before I ramble as much as BJ has (mostly because I am now late for work). As I seem to be the only one who enjoys and sees artistry in this exhibit, post some questions or points of contention and I'll do my best to challenge your views on the subject in return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomer07 Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 [quote name='BlackJesus' date='Feb 15 2005, 04:12 AM']1. Does Anyone plan on Viewing this ??? (I know we have some NYC people here), If you have already seen it give us your opinion? 2. I realize that almost anything can be art, (People get paid thousands of $ to shit on eachother on stage and call it Defacale' art).... But should we distinguish between difficult art, (not easily duplicated, and takes skill = such as Michealangelos cieling / and Mona Lisas lips which alone took 20 years to paint)from garbage or shit, or paint splotches that some fuchwod throws on canvas? 3. Is this art to you ?, and should rich artists who are friends with the mayor be able to place 6,000 orange hurdles in a park and call it art. What if Bills Gates wants to place Giant fucking Cock statues all through the National Mall in Washington.....? Lastly a statement: [b][color="red"]I hope that a Terrorist organization lights every gate on fire [/size][/b] Article about the 9th retard wonder of the world.....[/color][/color] [u][size=7]"Gates" adds spectacle to Central Park [i][color="green"]Am I the only one that finds this absurd, wasteful, and ridiculous, not to mention a cluttered advertisement for this lowsy artist and his fire crotched wife!   I am going to start an art project called Pee al' .... What it will be is a pyramid of 412,000 cups of piss ..... It will be glorious, and thousands of fuckin idiots will travel to Arkansas where I will display my pyramid of piss cups.... you will be able to buy t-shirts, and souvenier replica cups as well...... [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//20.gif[/img]  [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//20.gif[/img]  [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//20.gif[/img]  [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//18.gif[/img] I need to stop before I jump out of a window [/color][/i] [right][post="47013"][/post][/right][/quote] It's funny, I just got an email from my mom saying that she and my dad, along w/ my brother, his wife and kids are going down to see it. She said (in bold caps no less) that this is, "[b]A ONCE IN A LIFETIME OPPORTUNITY![/b]. I politely declined. This doesn't really phase me too much tho. They're always doing weird shit like this down in the city. I remember a few years ago I went down and some artist had placed cow statues at random points all over the city. Was down there all day and kept happening upon another cow statue. Sometimes they were painted different colors, sometimes they were dressed up like businessmen or Elvis. It was supposed to be art. I didn't get it. I don't appreciate this as art. That said I don't really appreciate much art at all, even the conventional kind. The only way anyone can get me to go to the Metropolitan Museum of Art is because they have a really cool-ass hall of Medival armour and weapons. I could spend all day in there. The rest of it really bores me. [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//37.gif[/img] I've been accused of not having a soul... Meh, what can you do? Oh, and if BengalsNYC can see this from where he lives, he's worth alot of money. A 1-Bedroom apartment with a view of Central Park goes for about $1.5 million. I shit you not. One more thing. I know you were kidding, but please don't wish anymore terrorist attacks on NYC. There have been more than enough for my lifetime. Wish them on Cleveland or Pittsburgh instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRAYCAT Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 What a waste of time and money. They could of helped the homeless,done something meaningful. Stupid Fucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomer07 Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 [quote name='STRAYCAT' date='Feb 16 2005, 06:51 PM']What a waste of time and money. They could of helped the homeless,done something meaningful. Stupid Fucks. [right][post="47809"][/post][/right][/quote] You're right but, the only reason this guy had the money to do it was from doing crap like this. Who knows how much of his income he gives to charity every year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRAYCAT Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 [quote name='Boomer07' date='Feb 16 2005, 07:03 PM']You're right but, the only reason this guy had the money to do it was from doing crap like this. Who knows how much of his income he gives to charity every year? [right][post="47819"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] I'm sure they do,but did i read that right 20Mill for that? give me a break,20mil for sheets and wood or what they were made of. [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/33.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomer07 Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 [quote name='STRAYCAT' date='Feb 16 2005, 07:11 PM']I'm sure they do,but did i read that right 20Mill for that? give me a break,20mil for sheets and wood or what they were made of. [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/33.gif[/img] [right][post="47823"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] Hey, I don't want to defend the guy, but rich people overspend on stupid shit all the time. This is America, they're allowed (and even encouraged) to. Doesn't make it right, but what can you do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRAYCAT Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 [quote name='Boomer07' date='Feb 16 2005, 07:50 PM']Hey, I don't want to defend the guy, but rich people overspend on stupid shit all the time. This is America, they're allowed (and even encouraged) to. Doesn't make it right, but what can you do? [right][post="47833"][/post][/right][/quote] I know just seem's goofy. Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 [quote name='mongoloido' date='Feb 16 2005, 08:34 AM']I like the Gates. My brother and his family are going to the park to enjoy them, and I wish I could find the time to get there myself. I think it's whimsical. To me, it's a splash of color in the winter months that reminds me spring is on the way. It doesn't have to send deep messages. It makes me smile. The gates themselves are pretty. I like the color (who here could possibly hate any shade of orange?). I like this exhibit. I also like the couple's other work. The pink drapery in Miami was a little odd, but so is Miami. The umbrellas in L.A. were really cool. The covering of the bridge in Paris was gorgeous, and complete wrap of the building in Germany was pretty sureal. As for Bung's liberal side... [b]Seems odd that a liberal, who should be defending the importance of the arts in society, is condemning the creative work of an artist. People are poor and hungry all over this country and the world. I don't see you condemning the Bengals or the NFL for paying people millions of dollars to play a game when that money could be better spent feeding the hungry masses. Do you believe the money spent on the Cincinnati Symphony Orchestra could be better spent on the hungry? How about the WEBN Fireworks display? How about the money spent on a single commercial during the SuperBowl? I dunno, man. Seems odd that the caring, feeling liberal only sees a dollar amount on this subject. [/b]It's art (like the gates or not, I'll be happy to debate with anyone who feels it isn't art). It's an expression of man that doesn't have to fit structure, form, or purpose. This is, although many here disagree with the results, such a huge part of what makes mankind special. We don't just seek food and shelter. We communicate, create, challenge, seek insight. We feel that we have something special inside of us that we can show to others in a way no one else can. We are unique in appearance and expression. I'll stop before I ramble as much as BJ has (mostly because I am now late for work). As I seem to be the only one who enjoys and sees artistry in this exhibit, post some questions or points of contention and I'll do my best to challenge your views on the subject in return. [right][post="47592"][/post][/right][/quote] I never said I was a liberal...I was making a joke about "showing my liberal side" However, I have to agree with the majority of your post. Art is a beautiful expression of human existence, and will be perpetrated upon the world with no input from me. I was wrong in stating that basically "that shit sucks, what a waste of money--coulda fed the homeless" because you pointed out several other instances where the same logic will apply. I said that simply because I thought it was ugly and a waste of money. But yeah, you're right, if we simply eliminated ALL of our frivolous pastimes (frivolous in the context that it isn't NEEDED for survival--art certainly falls into that category) we could feed everyone. But we won't and we don't. Such is the nature of the capitalist country we live in. Thanks for the head check...but it's still ugly shit, IMHO. Of course, mileage always varies on opinions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BengalsOwn Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Wow that looks like a major waste of money and time. At least the homeless have blankets now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 [quote]One more thing. I know you were kidding, but please don't wish anymore terrorist attacks on NYC. There have been more than enough for my lifetime.[/quote] Maybe I should have said .... Enviromental Terrorist organization which is along the lines of what i was thinking.... you know those fucks who firebomb lumberyards and pig farms etc.... Nevertheless Terrorist is a much perverted word with many meanings and misuses..... But I do recognize your point that it could be interpreted as Al Queda... which I did't mean it as..... [color="blue"]Let me rephrase: I wish some 20 year old white unemployed anarchists with dreadlocks would light these fucking things on fire[/color] [img]http://www.greatdreams.com/political/ny-alleged-anarchists-82804.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BengalsOwn Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 [quote name='Boomer07' date='Feb 16 2005, 07:03 PM']You're right but, the only reason this guy had the money to do it was from doing crap like this. Who knows how much of his income he gives to charity every year? [right][post="47819"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] Who cares how much of the guys money he donates to charity? It's his decision what he does with his money, I don't care how stupid his art looks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 I don't care what he does with his money.... But he shouldn't be allowed to clutter bright colored billboards of his stupid art projects all over a public park.... these are no different from Billboards for his stupid ass theorys of what constitutes art..... I think real art would be the destruction of his shit pile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Revolution could be interpreted as art...hell, we as a country are an example of that...(apologies to non-US personnel...) BURN THE SHOWER CURTAINS FOR WARMTH, O HOMELESS INDIGENT ONES!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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