Jamie_B Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 List your top 5 and give reason, doesn’t have to be long but give a reason. Also remembering that no one man is perfect and each one on your list will probably have flaws. #1 - Abraham Lincoln - Ended slavery as well as kept the union together #2 - Franklin Delano Roosevelt - Brought us out of the Depression with his "New Deal" #3 - George Washington - Father of our Country, they wanted him to do another term and he refused to keep us from becoming a theocracy #4 - Thomas Jefferson - Author of the Constitution, while president he was able to reduce the debt by a third #5 - Harry S. Truman - Ended WW2, Paved the way for the Marshal Plan which helped in stopping the spread of communism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 [b]1. Lincoln[/b] (He saved America as it is today, fought the largest war on U.S. soil and won, emancipated the slaves) [b] 2. Washington[/b] (Defeated the British, influential in Countrys founding, without him there wouldn't be a U.S.) [b]3. FDR[/b] (won the largest War Ever, built our current Highway system, built Dams, Canals, and large infrastructure projects, Most of Todays airports, Got America through the Great Depression) [b]4. Woodrow Wilson [/b] (Founded League of Nations, ended American isolationsim, Won World War I, Was influential in Modernizing Military) [b]5. Jefferson[/b] (Lousiaina Purchase doubled size of Nation, Led America through early rough times etc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 [img]http://panzo.org/pboardimg/outside/bush_finger_01.jpg[/img] [i][b]"I didn't want to be on your Stupid Lists anyway"[/b][/i] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 19, 2005 Report Share Posted April 19, 2005 1. Abe Lincoln - kept the union together, and ended slavery. 2. Ronald Reagan - Won the cold war. Ended the Carter recession. Had incredible peace time economic growth. 3. Washington - Got the country off on the right foot. 4. James K. Polk - kept all of his campaign promises, and had the country running in a surpluss. 5. Bill Clinton - Gave us a Republican majority in the House and Senate for the first time in decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whodey319 Posted April 19, 2005 Report Share Posted April 19, 2005 [quote name='Jason' date='Apr 18 2005, 09:00 PM']5. Bill Clinton - Gave us a Republican majority in the House and Senate for the first time in decades. [right][post="77646"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] now thats funny, he ties carter with the most useless presidents ever. talk about being in the right place at the right time. road the internet boom to financial suprememcy then left office right before the .com bubble burst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted April 19, 2005 Report Share Posted April 19, 2005 [quote]after the .com bubble burst[/quote] [color="purple"][i]Lets try to keep the words com, burst and Clinton out of this thread.... [/color][/i] [img]http://fodeconner.online.fr/zimages/images/Got_clinton.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted April 19, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2005 [quote name='BlackJesus' date='Apr 18 2005, 09:30 PM'][color="purple"][i]Lets try to keep the words com, burst and Clinton out of this thread.... [/color][/i] [img]http://fodeconner.online.fr/zimages/images/Got_clinton.jpg[/img] [right][post="77677"][/post][/right][/quote] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//24.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalBeotch Posted April 19, 2005 Report Share Posted April 19, 2005 I don't have any favorites...is that bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted April 19, 2005 Report Share Posted April 19, 2005 Ulysses S Grant = my #1 President... Because he was a drunken former war hero.... And a USMA grad... And had an admin rife with scandals--gotta love a scandal called "The Teapot Dome".. ...sounds so ominous... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengalrick Posted April 19, 2005 Report Share Posted April 19, 2005 great thread topic... 1. George W bush... just fucking w/ you guys 1. Abe Lincoln - took some massive balls to attempt to abolish slavery... 2. George Washington - was a commander for the rev. war, but most importantly, set the precident of terming the presidency... 3. FDR - WWII, SS... wish he didn't try to socialize so many programs though, but WWII was special so he is 3rd imo... 4. Jefferson - almost tripled our land and bought if for dirt cheap (lousiana purchase)... was a main part of our founding fathers... 5. Ronald Reagon - fought communism, big reason for bullish stock market in 90's imo... my spin... worst presidents: 1. Herbert Hoover - way he set out to defeat the great depression... wait it out 2. Jimmy Carter - it may have been a bad economical environment, but 10%+ unemployment is ALWAYS uncalled for <cough> germany, france ... 3. George Bush Sr. - saddam should have been gone back in the early 90's... i'm still pissed about that... i can't go any further... if anyone calls this a partisan list, i don't know what to say... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted April 19, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2005 My worst.... 1. Herbert Hoover - Rick you nailed it on the head for the reason 2. Jimmy Carter - Again Rick you nailed it 3. Warren Harding - Widespread coruption in his cabnit 4. Richard Nixon - He changed the way people look at politicans and not for the better 5. James Buchanan - Any sitting president that gets passed over for renomination by your own party...well....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengalrick Posted April 19, 2005 Report Share Posted April 19, 2005 yeah, i forgot Nixon in there... he should be at 3, and bush sr. 4 imo... that is just b/c we don't talk about bad presidents too often, so i don't know the names of many more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean Posted April 19, 2005 Report Share Posted April 19, 2005 1. FDR New Deal , Eagle imagery, WWII 2. Lincoln held union together, slavery etc. 3. GW 4. Paul Tagliabue 5. David Stern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted April 19, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2005 [quote name='sean' date='Apr 19 2005, 04:08 PM']1. FDR New Deal , Eagle imagery, WWII 2. Lincoln held union together, slavery etc. 3. GW [b]4. Paul Tagliabue 5. David Stern[/b] [right][post="78079"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] Smartass. [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/3.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest #22 Posted April 19, 2005 Report Share Posted April 19, 2005 1.) Franklin Delano Roosevelt. New Deal brought the U.S. out of depression. Ended Socialist party in the US by undermining their efficiency. Entered WWII at just the right time, saved the free world, etc. Co-founded Liberalism. Didn't live in New York for TOO long. 2.) Thomas Jefferson. Populist revolutionary. Genius. Liked "dark meat." 3.) Abraham Lincoln. Fought to preserve the Union. Had a mean lay-up. 4.) Herbert Hoover. Basically didn't screw up FDR's legacy. (No five). Maybe LBJ, but he was an adorable cuddly wuddly teddy bear and kept us in Vietnam for too long. Honorable Mention: 6.) Huey Long. Would have been a sweet president who represented the people's needs. Worst five: 1.) U.S. Grant. Drunk General, figurehead. 2.) Herbert Hoover. Sunk the nation deep into debt; founded Conservatism; never thought anything was wrong. (Might be at #1). 3.) Al Gore. Did nothing. Sat around for whole 4 years, got fat, grew beard. Came up with crazu tv show. Finally gave up in '04, letting Bush run the country for a whole 8 years instead of 4. Also, Tipper is the slut. 4.) Ronald Reagan. Tripled the national debt, did as much to end Soviet Communism as the Pope did- Very little. 5.) Woodrow Wilson. 14 points enraged Germany, horrible idea for reconstruction. Led us up to Great Depression. From New York. SPECIAL MENTION: 6.) Alexander Hamilton. Not president. Whereas Jefferson wanted to put power in the hands of the farmers and the people who made the country great, Hamilton favored a sick aristocratical gov't where the "nobility" ruled the country. Glad he was killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer_Rice Posted April 20, 2005 Report Share Posted April 20, 2005 Best: Washington Lincoln FDR Monroe (Doctrine and economy) Kennedy (because of NASA and moonshot) Worst: Jackson (crappy economics, evil towards Indians, tool of Van Buren) Polk (unnecessary war, crappy economics) Tyler (only sitting Pres to get kicked out of his own party, crappy economics) Hoover GW Bush (unnecessary war, possible psychopath, has potential to move up the list) Admire person, ineffective prez: JQ Adams Strongly Admire, but not prez: Franklin (the American Genius) Hamilton (economics, law) Henry Clay (The Great Compromiser) Henry Wallace (FDR agriculture and vp) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest #22 Posted April 20, 2005 Report Share Posted April 20, 2005 Addendum: Alben Barkley was a pretty good man and a politician as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 20, 2005 Report Share Posted April 20, 2005 [quote name='#22' date='Apr 19 2005, 07:07 PM']1.) Franklin Delano Roosevelt. New Deal brought the U.S. out of depression. Ended Socialist party in the US by undermining their efficiency. Entered WWII at just the right time, saved the free world, etc. Co-founded Liberalism. Didn't live in New York for TOO long. 2.) Thomas Jefferson. Populist revolutionary. Genius. Liked "dark meat." 3.) Abraham Lincoln. Fought to preserve the Union. Had a mean lay-up. 4.) Herbert Hoover. Basically didn't screw up FDR's legacy. (No five). Maybe LBJ, but he was an adorable cuddly wuddly teddy bear and kept us in Vietnam for too long. Honorable Mention: 6.) Huey Long. Would have been a sweet president who represented the people's needs. Worst five: 1.) U.S. Grant. Drunk General, figurehead. 2.) Herbert Hoover. Sunk the nation deep into debt; founded Conservatism; never thought anything was wrong. (Might be at #1). 3.) Al Gore. Did nothing. Sat around for whole 4 years, got fat, grew beard. Came up with crazu tv show. Finally gave up in '04, letting Bush run the country for a whole 8 years instead of 4. Also, Tipper is the slut. 4.) [b]Ronald Reagan. Tripled the national debt, did as much to end Soviet Communism as the Pope did- Very little.[/b] 5.) Woodrow Wilson. 14 points enraged Germany, horrible idea for reconstruction. Led us up to Great Depression. From New York. SPECIAL MENTION: 6.) Alexander Hamilton. Not president. Whereas Jefferson wanted to put power in the hands of the farmers and the people who made the country great, Hamilton favored a sick aristocratical gov't where the "nobility" ruled the country. Glad he was killed. [right][post="78174"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] No, congress trippled the debt. Reagan's tax cuts increased tax revenue. But congress increased spending even more. If Reagan did not win the cold war, who did? Reagan pushed the Soviets to spend, spend, spend on their military at a rate their economy could not support. And if he increased the national debt while getting rid of the biggest nuclear threat to the world, it is a cost I can live with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest #22 Posted April 20, 2005 Report Share Posted April 20, 2005 [quote]If Reagan did not win the cold war, who did? Reagan pushed the Soviets to spend, spend, spend on their military at a rate their economy could not support. And if he increased the national debt while getting rid of the biggest nuclear threat to the world, it is a cost I can live with.[/quote] I would assume you would agree with me in saying that the system of Soviet Communism was inefficient and stupid. Everyone from Hobbes to Locke to Marx has stated the obvious before: Governing bodies that are inefficiant and don't suit the needs of the people are bound to fall. Breshnev and Liver Spot were clearly not Geniuses, and they facilitated the process by being either too firm (Breshnev) or too flexible (Gorbachev). Reagan was inflexible and made it rough on the Soviet Union, but he did nothing to actively send it to its downfall. It did that on its own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest #22 Posted April 20, 2005 Report Share Posted April 20, 2005 Warren G. Harding couldn't help that he was a bad president. He was, after all, a vampire. [url="http://www.fvza.org/vvictims.html"]http://www.fvza.org/vvictims.html[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CrazyIrishman5 Posted April 20, 2005 Report Share Posted April 20, 2005 1.[b]George Washington[/b] George Washington was a surveyor, farmer and soldier who became the first president of the United States of America. [img]http://www.answers.com/main/content/img/PosterThumbs/georgewashington.jpg[/img] 2.[b]Abraham Lincoln[/b] His claims to fame are too numerous to list here; he is most often remembered for leading the Union through the Civil War and freeing Confederate slaves with the 1863 Emancipation Proclamation; for delivering the Gettysburg Address, the most famous oration in American history. [img]http://www.answers.com/main/content/img/PosterThumbs/abrahamlincoln.jpg[/img] 3.[b]Harry S. Truman[/b] In 1945 he made the decision to drop two atomic bombs on Japan, finally ending the war. Truman steered the U.S. through the post-war period with colorful, no-nonsense harangues that have since grown legendary. [img]http://www.answers.com/main/content/img/webpics/harrystruman.jpg[/img] 4[b].Theodore Roosevelt[/b] He served two terms, won the Nobel Peace prize in 1905, and strengthened the executive branch through his progressive agenda and the sheer force of his personality. He is often remembered for his policy pronouncement, "Speak softly and carry a big stick." [img]http://www.answers.com/main/content/img/PosterThumbs/theodoreroosevelt.jpg[/img] 5.[b]John F. Kennedy[/b] John F. Kennedy's 1963 assassination was one of the most shocking public events of the 20th century. Kennedy served in the U.S. Navy during World War II, commanding the patrol boat PT-109 and leading his crew to rescue after the boat was sunk by the Japanese in the Solomon Islands. [img]http://www.answers.com/main/content/img/PosterThumbs/johnfkennedy.jpg[/img] [b]Worst[/b] [b]James Buchanan[/b] the first gay President and help start the Civil War! [img]http://www.answers.com/main/content/img/webpics/jamesbuchanan.jpg[/img] Buchanan was the last American president born in the 18th century, and his term (1857-61) was the last before the Civil War. Buchanan came to the presidency after a distinguished public career: 10 years as a U.S. representative and another 10 as a senator, ambassadorships to both Russia and Great Britain, and service as James K. Polk's secretary of state. In the 1856 elections he whipped both former president Millard Fillmore and frontier hero John C. Fremont, no small feat. But as president Buchanan couldn't handle the bad blood between North and South; his attempts to find a legalistic solution were never effective. By the election of 1860 Buchanan was tired of the presidency and did not seek re-election. Rightly or wrongly, "Old Buck" has been tagged as one of history's least effective presidents. He was succeeded by Republican Abraham Lincoln. Buchanan was a lifelong bachelor and the only president never to marry... His vice-president, John Cabell Breckinridge of Kentucky, was the youngest ever: just over 36 years old when he was inaugurated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest #22 Posted April 20, 2005 Report Share Posted April 20, 2005 Name 3 positive things JFK did while in office... He damn near made my worst. James Garfield was killed, too, but I don't see anybody saying he was a great president... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted April 20, 2005 Report Share Posted April 20, 2005 [quote name='#22' date='Apr 20 2005, 12:23 AM']Name 3 positive things JFK did while in office... He damn near made my worst. James Garfield was killed, too, but I don't see anybody saying he was a great president... [right][post="78391"][/post][/right][/quote] Well, for starters, he and DiMaggio ran an alcohol and prescription-drug induced train on Marylin Monroes's slutty hot ass... He was handsome, and is the father of the Mother of all conspiracy theories. Plus he worked SO hard to earn his money...it wasn't like he came from a wealthy family or anything..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CrazyIrishman5 Posted April 20, 2005 Report Share Posted April 20, 2005 [quote name='#22' date='Apr 20 2005, 02:23 AM']Name 3 positive things JFK did while in office... He damn near made my worst. James Garfield was killed, too, but I don't see anybody saying he was a great president... [right][post="78391"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] 1. Forced Khrushchev to remove Soviet missiles from Cuba and stop a nuclear holocaust from happening!!!!!! 2. Establishes goal of landing a man on the moon. 3. He also established the Peace Corps (1961) and advocated civil rights reform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 20, 2005 Report Share Posted April 20, 2005 [quote name='#22' date='Apr 19 2005, 09:59 PM']I would assume you would agree with me in saying that the system of Soviet Communism was inefficient and stupid. Everyone from Hobbes to Locke to Marx has stated the obvious before: Governing bodies that are inefficiant and don't suit the needs of the people are bound to fall. Breshnev and Liver Spot were clearly not Geniuses, and they facilitated the process by being either too firm (Breshnev) or too flexible (Gorbachev). Reagan was inflexible and made it rough on the Soviet Union, but he did nothing to actively send it to its downfall. It did that on its own. [right][post="78268"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] No, but it was brutal and morally wrong. Soviet Communism was going strong for years, up until the early 1980s. The Democrats into the early 80s thought the Soviet Union would ALWAYS be with us. They didn't want to fight communism, and wanted to placate them. Why else did they oppose Reagan so strongly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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