OFFICIAL UK BASKETBALL THREAD!!!!!!!

[|Bunghole|]

Thing is JC, Cal will do what you are saying. He got to the NC game in Memphis without a shitload of one and done's. Just because its UK doesn't mean Cal will get to snap up all the talent out there. The fact that UK had 5 players declare for the draft after this season is a little unusual, don't you think? Especially since they are ALL projected to go top 25 in the first round? How often does that happen?

I'm not too worried about it because I know that Cal isn't going to settle for Sweet Sixteens. UK's roster is getting a lot of turnover right now not only from NBA-bound players but from graduating seniors that were still on the roster when Cal took over. It will stabilize.

[scharm]

[quote name='JC' date='15 April 2010 - 02:12 PM' timestamp='1271355172' post='877983']
Duke doesn't care who is at UK. They're National Champions this year and are reloading for next year while stealing a player whose godfather is Rod Strickland. You might know him. Yeah, UK got John Wall, but do you really think John Wall was even considering UK before Cal went there? No. UNC had limited interest in him and Duke got into the game late because Gerald Henderson left. Obviously, they didn't even need him.

Duke rarely ever goes after one and dones anyways, so why would I or Duke care who Cal's getting. He isn't stealing anyone from us as you can see with Kyrie Irving. I'm just saying UK is going to have a hard time winning a national championship rotating freshman in and out every year. You know it's true too, or you wouldn't try to spin it the way you're.

So go ahead and enjoy the Sweet 16's and SEC championships. Most fans want NC's and if Cal was smart he would start getting some players to stay for a few years or some three point shooters to help when B.Knight is getting buckets.
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If you don't care why are you on the "official UK Basketball thread" on a board dedicated to the bengals. Hilarious.

Yeah, keep to your guns that Duke or whoever else doesn't want players that put the ball in the basket. Cal at UK is already proving to be a dominating force. It's been 1 season and a hell of one at that.

I think Wall had Duke on his list until the end. UK and Cal are going to get these players more often than anyone else.

[JC]

[quote name='Bunghole' date='15 April 2010 - 04:02 PM' timestamp='1271361735' post='878021']
Thing is JC, Cal will do what you are saying. He got to the NC game in Memphis without a shitload of one and done's. Just because its UK doesn't mean Cal will get to snap up all the talent out there. The fact that UK had 5 players declare for the draft after this season is a little unusual, don't you think? Especially since they are ALL projected to go top 25 in the first round? How often does that happen?

I'm not too worried about it because I know that Cal isn't going to settle for Sweet Sixteens. UK's roster is getting a lot of turnover right now not only from NBA-bound players but from graduating seniors that were still on the roster when Cal took over. It will stabilize.
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Actually, that team had Joey Dorsey, a senior, Chris Douglas-Roberts, a junior, Robert Dozier, a junior and Antonio Anderson, a Junior to pair with a freshman Derrick Rose.

If he doesn't start getting some guys who will stay in school, he isn't going to be able to win a NC. He just simply isn't a good enough coach. That is all I'm arguing.

[quote name='scharm' date='15 April 2010 - 04:48 PM' timestamp='1271364520' post='878046']
If you don't care why are you on the "official UK Basketball thread" on a board dedicated to the bengals. Hilarious.

Yeah, keep to your guns that Duke or whoever else doesn't want players that put the ball in the basket. Cal at UK is already proving to be a dominating force. It's been 1 season and a hell of one at that.

I think Wall had Duke on his list until the end. UK and Cal are going to get these players more often than anyone else.
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Oh I'm sorry for posting in this thread, where most of the college basketball discussion is. Will you ever find it in your heart to forgive me?? Someones a little salty. And as for Duke not putting it in the basket..they put it in the basket 10 more times than WVU and 1 more time than Butler...to be crowned National Champions. They obviously didn't need John Wall, who they didn't start recruiting until close to the spring signing period. Duke, or I again don't care that Brandon Knight are going to UK. Because we are the defending national champions and are at this point favorites again to win it next year because we have a good core of returning players. Something UK won't be seeing, unless Cal changes his approach. Doesn't UK judge success by championships? How is Cal furthering his team towards that..in any way?

I have no hate for UK. I loved watching them this past year. Fun group to watch. But how can you ever be happy with sweet 16's and Elite 8's? I know it's an improvement over last year..next year won't be quite as good. Still about getting one and dones with nothing to show for it?

[|Bunghole|]

[quote name='JC' date='15 April 2010 - 05:15 PM' timestamp='1271366121' post='878063']
Actually, that team had Joey Dorsey, a senior, Chris Douglas-Roberts, a junior, Robert Dozier, a junior and Antonio Anderson, a Junior to pair with a freshman Derrick Rose.

If he doesn't start getting some guys who will stay in school, he isn't going to be able to win a NC. He just simply isn't a good enough coach. That is all I'm arguing.


Oh I'm sorry for posting in this thread, where most of the college basketball discussion is. Will you ever find it in your heart to forgive me?? Someones a little salty. And as for Duke not putting it in the basket..they put it in the basket 10 more times than WVU and 1 more time than Butler...to be crowned National Champions. They obviously didn't need John Wall, who they didn't start recruiting until close to the spring signing period. Duke, or I again don't care that Brandon Knight are going to UK. Because we are the defending national champions and are at this point favorites again to win it next year because we have a good core of returning players. Something UK won't be seeing, unless Cal changes his approach. Doesn't UK judge success by championships? How is Cal furthering his team towards that..in any way?

I have no hate for UK. I loved watching them this past year. Fun group to watch. But how can you ever be happy with sweet 16's and Elite 8's? I know it's an improvement over last year..next year won't be quite as good. Still about getting one and dones with nothing to show for it?
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How is losing to WVU in an extremely weird game in the Elite Eight qualify as "one and done"? 9 times out of 10, UK beats WVU in that game. It wasn't their day. And how are they not going to be able to replicate that next year? At the beginning of the year, there weren't many expectations for UK to go as far as they did based on how raw the team was from a youth standpoint. If given the same situation next season, why can't they exceed expectations again?

And Cal is one of the best coaches in the NCAA's.

[JC]

[quote name='Bunghole' date='15 April 2010 - 05:40 PM' timestamp='1271367633' post='878071']
How is losing to WVU in an extremely weird game in the Elite Eight qualify as "one and done"? 9 times out of 10, UK beats WVU in that game. It wasn't their day. And how are they not going to be able to replicate that next year? At the beginning of the year, there weren't many expectations for UK to go as far as they did based on how raw the team was from a youth standpoint. If given the same situation next season, why can't they exceed expectations again?

And Cal is one of the best coaches in the NCAA's.
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I guess I'll just leave it like this. With a little senior leadership, UK probably wins a national title. Honestly. Not any fault of Cal. But UK probably had the most talented roster in the nation. John Wall and DeMarcus Cousins were All-Americans. Patrick Patterson was a great player. Eric Bledsoe was a surprise. Daniel Orton wasn't too shabby either. If they all come back next year..guess who would win it all. Probably UK. With a little bit of guys who have been in pressure situations..who knows what could have happened against WVU? If he doesn't start getting some in his system like he had a few at Memphis, how will he ever have that leadership, especially when he is gunning for the NBA before long.

Who would want to go to UK and have the uncertainty of being over-recruited anyways. I know if I'm good enough to go to a prestigious program like that is turning out one and dones, chances are, Cal is going to get some of the cream of the crop players who are going to come in and start immediately and diminish my playing time. All's I'm saying is that he needs to get some Kyle Singlers, Tyler Hansbouroughs, Sherron Collins'. Guys that will stick around for a few years and throw a Brandon Knight or a John Wall in with that group to top it all off. Right now, he is putting all his eggs into one basket. Which guy out of this recruiting class he is bringing in, is going to stay for three years? None.

Cal's a great recruiter. It has to be awesome to bring in top notch guys every season like that, but I don't think he will ever top a recruiting class like he just got, which leads to more disappointment. If he doesn't bring a NC soon, UK fans all over will be calling for his head, and he will be coaching the Knicks shortly after.

[scharm]

[quote]Oh I'm sorry for posting in this thread, where most of the college basketball discussion is. Will you ever find it in your heart to forgive me?? Someones a little salty. And as for Duke not putting it in the basket..they put it in the basket 10 more times than WVU and 1 more time than Butler...to be crowned National Champions. They obviously didn't need John Wall, who they didn't start recruiting until close to the spring signing period. Duke, or I again don't care that Brandon Knight are going to UK. Because we are the defending national champions and are at this point favorites again to win it next year because we have a good core of returning players. Something UK won't be seeing, unless Cal changes his approach. Doesn't UK judge success by championships? How is Cal furthering his team towards that..in any way?

I have no hate for UK. I loved watching them this past year. Fun group to watch. But how can you ever be happy with sweet 16's and Elite 8's? I know it's an improvement over last year..next year won't be quite as good. Still about getting one and dones with nothing to show for it? [/quote]

Hilarious. There is one school with more NCs than Kentucky and it isn't Duke. So I'm not sure were you are getting this assumption that Kentucky is just happy with E8s and S16s.

I like you posting in this thread, I can smell the fear. Cal and UK with 1 season have already got the rivals upset. Yeah so he took a program from NIT to E8 in one year and maybe it take season 3 to cut down the nets for No. 8. Like Duke wins NCs every year.

Sure Duke and UNC had no interest in Wall. That's kinda a nice a story to explain Kentucky swooping in and taking him from their own back yard.

[|Bunghole|]

[quote name='JC' date='15 April 2010 - 06:18 PM' timestamp='1271369904' post='878088']
I guess I'll just leave it like this. With a little senior leadership, UK probably wins a national title. Honestly. Not any fault of Cal. But UK probably had the most talented roster in the nation. John Wall and DeMarcus Cousins were All-Americans. Patrick Patterson was a great player. Eric Bledsoe was a surprise. Daniel Orton wasn't too shabby either. If they all come back next year..guess who would win it all. Probably UK. With a little bit of guys who have been in pressure situations..who knows what could have happened against WVU? If he doesn't start getting some in his system like he had a few at Memphis, how will he ever have that leadership, especially when he is gunning for the NBA before long.

Who would want to go to UK and have the uncertainty of being over-recruited anyways. I know if I'm good enough to go to a prestigious program like that is turning out one and dones, chances are, Cal is going to get some of the cream of the crop players who are going to come in and start immediately and diminish my playing time. All's I'm saying is that he needs to get some Kyle Singlers, Tyler Hansbouroughs, Sherron Collins'. Guys that will stick around for a few years and throw a Brandon Knight or a John Wall in with that group to top it all off. Right now, he is putting all his eggs into one basket. Which guy out of this recruiting class he is bringing in, is going to stay for three years? None.

Cal's a great recruiter. It has to be awesome to bring in top notch guys every season like that, but I don't think he will ever top a recruiting class like he just got, which leads to more disappointment. If he doesn't bring a NC soon, UK fans all over will be calling for his head, and he will be coaching the Knicks shortly after.
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UK would have won it [i]this[/i] year had they not unexpectedly gone 0-20 from three range in the first half of a bizarre game against WVU. Do you realize that WVU was a pretty bad 3-shooting team this past season? And that they shot like the National Championship was on the line against UK? How did that translate into their next game? Predictably, it DID NOT...because they blew their wad on UK. THAT was their National Championship. They got blown out in their next game, just like they would have in 9 of 10 games against that UK squad had even a [i]fraction[/i] of those outside shots fallen.

You can't make the same argument the other way for WVU. They missed ALL of their inside shots in that 1st half against UK because they were athletically overwhelmed in the paint. UK had OPEN looks from 3...they...just..wouldn't...fall. It wasn't some master defensive plan by Huggins or anything WVU did. All WVU did was make an INSANE amount of outside shots, WELL beyond their season average, WELL beyond any reasonable expectation...

....and that's what makes the tournament great.

UK is going to reload every year, and they will in fact have role players that are good and stay for the duration. There's never been a school in the history of NCAA basketball that has nothing but "one and dones" and remained viable.

[JC]

[quote name='scharm' date='15 April 2010 - 08:58 PM' timestamp='1271379482' post='878138']
Hilarious. There is one school with more NCs than Kentucky and it isn't Duke. So I'm not sure were you are getting this assumption that Kentucky is just happy with E8s and S16s.

I like you posting in this thread, I can smell the fear. Cal and UK with 1 season have already got the rivals upset. Yeah so he took a program from NIT to E8 in one year and maybe it take season 3 to cut down the nets for No. 8. Like Duke wins NCs every year.

Sure Duke and UNC had no interest in Wall. That's kinda a nice a story to explain Kentucky swooping in and taking him from their own back yard.
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LOL. Fear? You think my favorite team fears UK? Now that would be hilarious. We won the national championship. We waited for you in the final four, but you never showed up.

If your not happy with S16's and Elite 8's how can you possibly be happy with this past year? And the upcoming one won't be anything special either.

And like I said, John Wall was never going to UNC because Brian Clifton hates Roy Williams. Duke had no chance against Cal in recruiting John. John had no interest in UK anyways. He just wanted to play for Cal.

I didn't want to get into a big pissing match about this. I just wanted to say yeah UK got a great player in Brandon Knight. But he is still recruiting a bunch of one and done's so how is that going to ever propel this team to a championship? How does watching Duke and UNC win it every year make UK feel? Probably not very good. I'm just saying, if Cal strays away and gets some top 50 guys to go with his top 5 guys, he would have a great formula. Why doesn't he? That's all. Basically just trying to say that no one besides the SEC fears UK.

[|Bunghole|]

[quote name='JC' date='15 April 2010 - 11:18 PM' timestamp='1271387920' post='878170']
LOL. Fear? You think my favorite team fears UK? Now that would be hilarious. We won the national championship. We waited for you in the final four, but you never showed up.

If your not happy with S16's and Elite 8's how can you possibly be happy with this past year? And the upcoming one won't be anything special either.

And like I said, John Wall was never going to UNC because Brian Clifton hates Roy Williams. Duke had no chance against Cal in recruiting John. John had no interest in UK anyways. He just wanted to play for Cal.

I didn't want to get into a big pissing match about this. I just wanted to say yeah UK got a great player in Brandon Knight. But he is still recruiting a bunch of one and done's so how is that going to ever propel this team to a championship? How does watching Duke and UNC win it every year make UK feel? Probably not very good. I'm just saying, if Cal strays away and gets some top 50 guys to go with his top 5 guys, he would have a great formula. Why doesn't he? That's all. Basically just trying to say that no one besides the SEC fears UK.
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WTF are you getting on about? I never once used the word "fear" in this post. Duke is a great program, no doubt. They are completely on par with UK. What does Duke have to fear from UK (other than losing recruits???)???

[JC]

[quote name='Bunghole' date='15 April 2010 - 11:59 PM' timestamp='1271390352' post='878175']
WTF are you getting on about? I never once used the word "fear" in this post. Duke is a great program, no doubt. They are completely on par with UK. What does Duke have to fear from UK (other than losing recruits???)???
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I was referring to scharm saying that he thought I feared UK as a Duke fan.

Anyways, if UK gets Pat back, that change my perception on this team. A senior, who not only can dominate the post, but has experience in the tournament and it's not just 5 freshman starting.

[|Bunghole|]

[quote name='JC' date='16 April 2010 - 12:09 PM' timestamp='1271434169' post='878272']
I was referring to scharm saying that he thought I feared UK as a Duke fan.

Anyways, if UK gets Pat back, that change my perception on this team. A senior, who not only can dominate the post, but has experience in the tournament and it's not just 5 freshman starting.
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Weird. I could have sworn last night when I wrote that last post I saw myself being quoted and not Scharm, hence my confusion.

[scharm]

[quote]If your not happy with S16's and Elite 8's how can you possibly be happy with this past year? [/quote]

Simple. Enjoying the ride. UK is back and rival fans fear and hate it. It comes out in every post you make.

[quote]And like I said, John Wall was never going to UNC because Brian Clifton hates Roy Williams. Duke had no chance against Cal in recruiting John. John had no interest in UK anyways. He just wanted to play for Cal.[/quote]

Exactly no chance. That will be repeated over and over and over.

[JC]

[quote name='scharm' date='16 April 2010 - 03:09 PM' timestamp='1271444973' post='878336']
Simple. Enjoying the ride. UK is back and rival fans fear and hate it. It comes out in every post you make.



Exactly no chance. That will be repeated over and over and over.
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I'll leave it at this. Duke, nor I fear UK. We are champs. Enjoy your elite 8..

[ThurmanMunster]

[quote name='scharm' date='15 April 2010 - 12:57 PM' timestamp='1271354240' post='877977']
You think other SEC schools are building trophy cases with this going on? [b]You think UNC and Duke enjoy Kentucky waltzing in North Carolina and take the No. 1 player that is in their back yard (John Wall). [/b]You think IU and Crean (although they are used to it by now) are happy that top highschool Indiana talent is leaving?

Your above statement is respresentative of the spin job from other programs. Sure UNC, IU, UL, Duke and their fans will spin whatever they need to tell themselves, but I'm sure they'd love to have Tubby back at UK so they would have one less power school to fight off for top talent.
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Considering Coach K has avoided 1 and done players since Luol Deng left i dont think he gives a shit lol. I will never fear UK when Duke is in the hunt for a NC because they are going for way too many 1 and dones and need to get some balance and veteran starters on the team. Go get 3 top 10 players but then drop back and get some guys who are in the 50s range so you have some juniors and seniors down the road. Rotating in a completely new SL is going to take its toll in march every year.

[ThurmanMunster]

[quote name='scharm' date='15 April 2010 - 07:58 PM' timestamp='1271379482' post='878138']
Hilarious. [b]There is one school with more NCs than Kentucky and it isn't Duke. So I'm not sure were you are getting this assumption that Kentucky is just happy with E8s and S16s.
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I like you posting in this thread, I can smell the fear. Cal and UK with 1 season have already got the rivals upset. Yeah so he took a program from NIT to E8 in one year and maybe it take season 3 to cut down the nets for No. 8. Like Duke wins NCs every year.

Sure Duke and UNC had no interest in Wall. That's kinda a nice a story to explain Kentucky swooping in and taking him from their own back yard.
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Good job but uve won a total of 2 while ive been alive and maybe 3 while uve been alive. because you won 4 in the 40s and 50s doesnt make you a stud now. no one gives a shit. any reds fan that wasnt alive to witness the Big Red Machine doesnt use the 75 and 76 WS titles as something to brag about or talk shit. That is a steelers fan move. Since 1978 you have 3. 0 in the 80s and 0 in the 2000s. Before this year it had been a while since anyone thought UK was a contender and UK fans sound happy as hell with their elite 8 showing. That makes it look like you were pretty damn happy with just elite 8s and sweet 16s.

Oh and im not sure why you used the word rival. I dont consider UK a rival because since ive been alive UK hasnt concerned Duke. You want Duke to be a rival because you are still devastated but they look right over you at other teams.

[#22]

Like in 1998?

[ThurmanMunster]

[quote name='#22' date='16 April 2010 - 05:09 PM' timestamp='1271455749' post='878401']
Like in 1998?
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they shouldnt have even gotten to the elite 8 in 1998. they played over their heads that year.

[scharm]

[quote name='ThurmanMunster' date='16 April 2010 - 05:58 PM' timestamp='1271455124' post='878397']
Good job but uve won a total of 2 while ive been alive and maybe 3 while uve been alive. because you won 4 in the 40s and 50s doesnt make you a stud now. no one gives a shit. any reds fan that wasnt alive to witness the Big Red Machine doesnt use the 75 and 76 WS titles as something to brag about or talk shit. That is a steelers fan move. Since 1978 you have 3. 0 in the 80s and 0 in the 2000s. Before this year it had been a while since anyone thought UK was a contender and UK fans sound happy as hell with their elite 8 showing. That makes it look like you were pretty damn happy with just elite 8s and sweet 16s.

Oh and im not sure why you used the word rival. I dont consider UK a rival because since ive been alive UK hasnt concerned Duke. You want Duke to be a rival because you are still devastated but they look right over you at other teams.
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Funny. The fan of the lesser program is going to tell Kentucky what matters and what doesn't. Sure. What does a Duke fan know about 7 national championships?

Duke fan should just be happy with their moderate success. Look it's real simple Cal is going to load up Kentucky. In the process Kentucky will further separate themselves from the other moderately successful programs like Duke.

I'll leave the determination of what matters and what doesn't to the fans of programs that don't matter. Duke is so not concerned about Kentucky they post in a Kentucky thread on a Bengal board, funny.

Let's just keep it real. Cal and Kentucky got you worried. Nothing wrong with that, if Kentucky played in the NBA the Lakers would worry. It's natural to fear Kentucky.

[#22]

[quote name='ThurmanMunster' date='16 April 2010 - 06:14 PM' timestamp='1271456045' post='878404']
they shouldnt have even gotten to the elite 8 in 1998. they played over their heads that year.
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They played over their heads this year. I didn't think Coach K had any coaching left [i]in him[/i], but he proved me wrong.

That, and they had an easy path to the Championship game this season. In 10 years, though, no one will look back and say they were undeserving.

[ThurmanMunster]

[quote name='scharm' date='16 April 2010 - 06:14 PM' timestamp='1271459650' post='878430']
Funny. The fan of the lesser program is going to tell Kentucky what matters and what doesn't. Sure. What does a Duke fan know about 7 national championships?

Duke fan should just be happy with their moderate success. Look it's real simple Cal is going to load up Kentucky. In the process Kentucky will further separate themselves from the other moderately successful programs like Duke.

I'll leave the determination of what matters and what doesn't to the fans of programs that don't matter. Duke is so not concerned about Kentucky they post in a Kentucky thread on a Bengal board, funny.

Let's just keep it real. Cal and Kentucky got you worried. Nothing wrong with that, if Kentucky played in the NBA the Lakers would worry. It's natural to fear Kentucky.
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UK doesnt have me worried at all. i post in the UK thread because it is the offseason and minimal thread movement anywhere on these other sports boards and i like to talk about sports. Duke isnt moderately successful its one of the top 5 best programs of all time. in my lifetime its a top 2 program all time. UK fans act just like Steelers fans. UK is also a top 5 program of all time but that has NOTHING to do with my statements.

I stated unless coach cal changes his ways he wont win a title. Instead of quoting some bullshit total # of rings in your past which means NOTHING about Cal and the future please give me reasons why Cal WILL win a title before he leaves for the nba. Don't just say cuz he is going to get the best talent. There is a reason the teams that tend to win the title have juniors and sseniors on the team its because those guys are a big part of the March run. Leadership and teamwork > talent. If it was only based on talent then Duke sure as fuck wouldnt have beaten Baylor and WVU wouldnt have beaten UK and Butler wouldnt have beaten Syracuse among many other upsets. Talent helps but you have to have experience and leadership and teamwork and that was a weakness of Kentuckys. They were one of the most talented teams ever this year but they were far from flawless. Cal is a great recruiter (probably the best ever) but he needs to improve his coaching in tough situations, you can throw Thad Matta in that same general area but a step or two below Cal. I'm not in here to just piss you off i am in here to state an opinion to facilitate some interesting offseason discussion and no one has been able to argue against that opinion they just start yelling 7 titles! So lets discuss the idea of a bunch of inexperienced vs experienced players instead of being steelers fans.

[ThurmanMunster]

[quote name='#22' date='16 April 2010 - 07:18 PM' timestamp='1271463488' post='878451']
They played over their heads this year. I didn't think Coach K had any coaching left [i]in him[/i], but he proved me wrong.

[b]That, and they had an easy path to the Championship game this season.[/b] In 10 years, though, no one will look back and say they were undeserving.
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16 seed, Wake Forest, Cornell, WVU is easier than 16 seed, Cal, Purdue, Baylor, WVU, Butler so dont give me they had an easy path. All the 1 seeds had pretty easy paths because of so many upsets. I would pick Cal to beat Wake, I would pick Purdue to beat Cornell, I'd pick Baylor to beat WVU, Duke beat the fuck out of WVU anyways. UK or Kansas or Ohio State and Syracuse could have had an "easy" path to the title game but they failed to win games they should have won.

On paper i had UK as the 2nd best team behind KU and on paper I would pick UK over Duke. But i would pick Duke over either of them to overcome a bad performance and still win, partially because of Coach K and partially because of the fact that Duke was way more experienced.


I dont like UK because of their fans but i respect their team and they have had some players who i really rooted for go through there.

[scharm]

[quote]UK doesnt have me worried at all. i post in the UK thread because it is the offseason and minimal thread movement anywhere on these other sports boards and i like to talk about sports. Duke isnt moderately successful its one of the top 5 best programs of all time.[/quote]

I cheer for Kentucky. Duke is moderately successful when compared to the Big Blue Nation. Declaration of top 5 is great for any other program not named Kentucky. I don't think Duke can even attempt to put themselves in the top 4 or event top 2. That is the neighborhood Kentucky lives in.

It's strange why you wouldn't worry. The load of talent coming is simply going to add to the legacy that is Kentucky and thus margin widens.

[quote]stated unless coach cal changes his ways he wont win a title.[/quote]

Yeah, but who really cares? Gee, a rival fan is going to question the future chances of success of Kentucky. Gee, that's new. Kentucky fans have been here before and using history as an indicator typically Kentucky fans optimistic expectations are proven correct more than any program ever.

[quote]bullshit total # of rings in your past which means NOTHING about Cal and the future please give me reasons why Cal WILL win a title before he leaves for the nba.[/quote]

Our banners don't score points. I don't think I claimed they do. The NBA rosters flocking to Lexington however do score points. That is a big reason and it is playing out in front of your eyes. Your assumptions are wrong and your doubt is generated from fear. Yeah, like Kentucky fans are supposed to believe NBA talent can't win a title in the NCAA. Why? Our rival fans tried to sell us on Tubby Smith a few short years ago. Kentucky fans were told that it's just unrealistic to expect top classes every year.

[quote]I'm not in here to just piss you off i am in here to state an opinion to facilitate some interesting offseason discussion and no one has been able to argue against that opinion they just start yelling 7 titles! So lets discuss the idea of a bunch of inexperienced vs experienced players instead of being steelers fans. [/quote]

Why would I be pissed off? My team will dominate the NBA draft and future NBA draft is lining up again in Lexington. 7 titles are second to one program. So, what exactly don't you understand? Kentucky knows how to get it done and the fans know when they are on the path to getting it done.
You can't discount that.

So you bring up Steeler fans, OK. They are good, have been good, and although I hate it they will be good in the future. You want to tell them that their current plan isn't going to work, fine. But I'd put my money that Pittsburgh until ownership changes will manage to be a winning program. Sure like anything in sports they will have down times but it won't be deep or long as other teams.

So let's discuss the idea of Cal's plan. Currently a No. 1 and no worse top 3 recruiting class is lining up for this year and next. Doubters or rival fans are hanging their hats they all will flock to the NBA like this past year. I don't think that will happen to the extent that it did this past year. In addition the one and done climate is fairly new and there just isn't enough data to making sweeping judgments on a particular model of success.

The reality is the team lining up for Cal is going to be talented. It's going to win a ton of games. It's going to get a top seed. So I like those chances.

[ThurmanMunster]

[quote name='scharm' date='16 April 2010 - 09:42 PM' timestamp='1271472120' post='878490']
I cheer for Kentucky. Duke is moderately successful when compared to the Big Blue Nation. Declaration of top 5 is great for any other program not named Kentucky. I don't think Duke can even attempt to put themselves in the top 4 or event top 2. That is the neighborhood Kentucky lives in.

It's strange why you wouldn't worry. The load of talent coming is simply going to add to the legacy that is Kentucky and thus margin widens.



Yeah, but who really cares? Gee, a rival fan is going to question the future chances of success of Kentucky. Gee, that's new. Kentucky fans have been here before and using history as an indicator typically Kentucky fans optimistic expectations are proven correct more than any program ever.



Our banners don't score points. I don't think I claimed they do. The NBA rosters flocking to Lexington however do score points. That is a big reason and it is playing out in front of your eyes. Your assumptions are wrong and your doubt is generated from fear. Yeah, like Kentucky fans are supposed to believe NBA talent can't win a title in the NCAA. Why? Our rival fans tried to sell us on Tubby Smith a few short years ago. Kentucky fans were told that it's just unrealistic to expect top classes every year.



Why would I be pissed off? My team will dominate the NBA draft and future NBA draft is lining up again in Lexington. 7 titles are second to one program. So, what exactly don't you understand? Kentucky knows how to get it done and the fans know when they are on the path to getting it done.
You can't discount that.

So you bring up Steeler fans, OK. They are good, have been good, and although I hate it they will be good in the future. You want to tell them that their current plan isn't going to work, fine. But I'd put my money that Pittsburgh until ownership changes will manage to be a winning program. Sure like anything in sports they will have down times but it won't be deep or long as other teams.

So let's discuss the idea of Cal's plan. Currently a No. 1 and no worse top 3 recruiting class is lining up for this year and next. Doubters or rival fans are hanging their hats they all will flock to the NBA like this past year. I don't think that will happen to the extent that it did this past year. In addition the one and done climate is fairly new and there just isn't enough data to making sweeping judgments on a particular model of success.

The reality is the team lining up for Cal is going to be talented. It's going to win a ton of games. It's going to get a top seed. So I like those chances.
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You are bragging about 7 titles that = steelers fan. Its great that your team has history but to sit there and talk shit cuz you won a bunch of titles in the 40s and 50s is retarded. They have won a total of 3 titles since 1959. I'm already over Dukes win this year and you are going on about wins decades ago. That means you are really in need of a title badly.

Who gives a shit about how many players you put in the NBA? And having a top recruiting class is nice but if you lose the whole class after this year and have no experience then what is the point? You get super hyped then let down in march because you have an off night and lose because you have no experience or leadership. That isnt something to be proud of.

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You are bragging about 7 titles that = steelers fan. Its great that your team has history but to sit there and talk shit cuz you won a bunch of titles in the 40s and 50s is retarded. They have won a total of 3 titles since 1959. I'm already over Dukes win this year and you are going on about wins decades ago. That means you are really in need of a title badly.

Who gives a shit about how many players you put in the NBA? And having a top recruiting class is nice but if you lose the whole class after this year and have no experience then what is the point? You get super hyped then let down in march because you have an off night and lose because you have no experience or leadership. That isnt something to be proud of.
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How am I bragging? This is a thread dedicated to the Kentucky Wildcats. Duh. It's not like I'm on a Duke board or thread talking about 7 titles.

Your a fan of Duke, a Kentucky fan doesn't care what you think is appropriate to be proud of because you don't have what Kentucky does.

Personally, I think it is dumb when Bengals fans discount the Steelers history because deep down inside every Bengal fan wishes the Bengals were that successful. Just makes them sound like haters and guess what the Duke fan sounds like in this thread?

Back to the players in the NBA. Cal is going to grab the best players. A downside of that is these players will be able to perform at the highest level of basketball. So they will move on. Titles won't come every year, final fours won't come every year. By the time Cal is done what you are going to have is Miami Football of the 80s/90s or Kentucky of the 90s or Kentucky of the 50s or Yankees of the MLB payroll disparity era or Reds of the 70s and yes Steelers of the 70s.

You get the point yet? I don't really worry about what a rival fan thinks what will be successful. Not to long ago Kentucky fans were told they should be happy with Tubby. Why?

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Coach K and Duke is nothing more than Bob Knight and IU in terms of elite programs.

Once coach K moves on or retires. Duke goes back down to the next tier level of programs like IU is currently. Their program is defined by a coach.