Tell me again how Al Qaeda's targets are not legitimate Military targets for a group at war with the U.S. ?

[Guest BlackJesus]

[quote name='Bunghole' post='443917' date='Feb 21 2007, 07:18 PM'](what is the difference between an insurgent and a terrorist, anyway?)[/quote]

[b]Main Entry: in·sur·gent
Function: noun
1 : a person who revolts against civil authority or an established government; especially : a rebel not recognized as a belligerent[/b]

[url="http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/insurgent"]http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/insurgent[/url]




[quote name='Bunghole' post='443917' date='Feb 21 2007, 07:18 PM']Perhaps their 77 virgins in heaven[/quote]

[size=3][b]The simple truth is, there is nothing in the Quran or Hadith (Islams holy books) that has ever promised this. [/size] their Prophet Muhammad never mentioned anything that had to do with winning virgins in paradise --- this is a stupid ass myth that only retards who don't know what they are talking about restate.

[size=3]Islam states than when someone dies they arrive in Heaven and there are "hur'ain" there to meet them. [/size] [size=4]Translated to English, it means "angels", with no gender connotations whatsoever.[/size] However the [u]Western Media since 2001 has spread this rediculous lie over and over[/u] (see CBS 60 minutes from August 19th, 2001) ... so that idiots all over America can repeat it in an echo chamber of idiocy - without ever verifying it !!! [/b]

[Nati Ice]

dont you fucking dare quote john stockwell, you proponent of socialism you. you know damn well stockwell wrote a book to sell money and never qualified his statements either. for all we know he is including an inflated number of deaths from a single war for which he believes we caused. he was looking to make money, you think the answer "a few thousand people" sells books? you think maybe, just maybe, he might have had a bone to pick by the tone of his philosophical prose? possibly? yea, id think so

[Guest BlackJesus]

[quote name='Nati Ice' post='443930' date='Feb 21 2007, 07:48 PM']2 are you kidding me? is this supposed to be some kind of a joke? are you really attempting to make the connection between suicide bombers and guerrilla warfare to tarring and feathering someone? are you that fucking insane?[/quote]

[b]"in the south, where the brunt of the war was upon militia forces who fought the enemy British troops and their Loyalist supporters, but used concealment, surprise, and other guerrilla tactics to much advantage."[/b]

[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerrilla_warfare#American_Revolutionary_War"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerrilla_war...volutionary_War[/url]




[quote name='Nati Ice' post='443930' date='Feb 21 2007, 07:48 PM']we were such good friends that we have even supported some of them in the past.[/quote]
[b]So were they Terrorists when it was the US training them to attack Soviets ??? Or did they just become terrorists when they turned those skills around and used them on us ? [/b]





[quote name='Nati Ice' post='443930' date='Feb 21 2007, 07:48 PM']have you never listened to any of his supporters talk? have you never listened to its clerics speak about the movements goal?[/quote]

[b]On Oct 7 2001, shortly after the US launched its first strikes against Afghanistan, Al Jazeera TV broadcast a video of Osama bin Laden. In that video, bin-Laden stated the two main goals of his terrorist campaign against the US:

a) Withdrawal of troops from "the Peninsula of Mohammed" (Saudi Arabia)

A sovereign and secure Palestine[/b]

[color="#2E8B57"][center][i]"I swear by Almighty God who raised the skies without a pillar that America and those who live in America will not dream of security before we live it as a reality in Palestine and before all the infidel armies leave the land of Mohammed, praise and peace be upon him."[/i]

[b]~ UBL [/b][/center][/color]


[url="http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/06/06_osama.html"]http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/06/06_osama.html[/url]







[quote name='Nati Ice' post='443930' date='Feb 21 2007, 07:48 PM']i dont count iran backed terrorists as iraqis[/quote]

[b]According to a recent poll, 47% of the Iraqi population approve of the attacks on Coalition forces.

When broken down along sectarian lines, [size=4]88% of the Sunni minority, which used to hold power during the Saddam Hussein regime, approve of the attacks.[/size] [/b]

[url="http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/home_page/165.php?nid=&id=&pnt=165&lb=hmpg2"]http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/art...65&lb=hmpg2[/url]


[b][color="#008000"][size=3]IRAN IS A SHIA COUNTRY NOT A SUNNI ONE DUMBASS !!! ..... THE SUNNIS LIVE IN IRAQ !!!! [/size][/color][/b]

[Nati Ice]

[quote name='BlackJesus' post='443933' date='Feb 21 2007, 07:52 PM']However the [u]Western Media since 2001 has spread this rediculous lie over and over[/u] (see CBS 60 minutes from August 19th, 2001) ... so that idiots all over America can repeat it in an echo chamber of idiocy - without ever verifying it !!! [/b][/quote]
I BET THE ZIONISTS DID IT ON THAT DATE BECAUSE IT TAKES YOU ONLY THREE WEEKS OF REPEATED NONSENSE BEFORE YOU START BECOMING SHEEPLE!!!!!!!

[Guest BlackJesus]

[color="#000080"]
[b]As much as I would like to continue educating your ignorant ass ... I'm gonna go get something to eat. I am sure that when I come back on later you will have enlightened me with all kinds of oodles of idiocy for me to respond to.


Some hints of your next talking points:

- Islamofacists are like the Nazis of Hitlers day

- We are fighting them over there ... so we don't have to fight them over here

- We are liberating them into heaven where they can find out Jesus was real and Muhammad the "moon man" fake

- It is just coincidental that we were supposedly attacked by Saudis who Bush cozys up with ... and then we attacked the country with the next highest amount of oil (Iraq) ... this is all coincidental [/b]



[center]toodles for now dick head ... I have to go Iron my Che attire [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//37.gif[/img] [/center][/color]

[|Tigers Johnson|]

This is all predicated on the false assumption that Al Qaeda is a soverign nation that we are placing any of our embasies, warships or any other facilites in....WRONG! Al Qaeda moves around behind the protection of governments that support what they do or are scared to death of them. How are we supposed to attack them? Do we go into Syria? Lebanon? Iran? Or would the entire world throw and absolute shit fit? They are like a bully that comes out and sucker punches you and then goes and hides behind they're dad when you come back to kick their ass. No matter where our embasies are, no matter where our warships dock, no matter where we keep federal offices...Al Qaeda will try to attack.

[|Tigers Johnson|]

[quote name='Go Tory Go!' post='443868' date='Feb 21 2007, 06:23 PM']Enough, Beej. I'm throwing in the towel for him.

[/quote]

I see BJ has picked up another tail gunner...

[|Tigers Johnson|]

[quote name='BlackJesus' post='443942' date='Feb 21 2007, 08:09 PM'][color="#000080"]
[b]As much as I would like to continue educating your ignorant ass ... I'm gonna go get something to eat. I am sure that when I come back on later you will have enlightened me with all kinds of oodles of idiocy for me to respond to.
Some hints of your next talking points:

- Islamofacists are like the Nazis of Hitlers day

- We are fighting them over there ... so we don't have to fight them over here

- We are liberating them into heaven where they can find out Jesus was real and Muhammad the "moon man" fake

- It is just coincidental that we were supposedly attacked by Saudis who Bush cozys up with ... and then we attacked the country with the next highest amount of oil (Iraq) ... this is all coincidental [/b]
[center]toodles for now dick head ... I have to go Iron my Che attire [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//37.gif[/img] [/center][/color][/quote]

Did it ever cross your mind that Iran is probably trying to keep Iraq unstable and when we are gone take control of that very same oil you so insist we want? If we wanted that oil so bad...then why would we leave? Why not occupy for ever? Who is going to stop us? The U.N....bah! I am still waiting for this windfall of oil to help boost our economy. I mean hell we have been paying great prices for oil since we invaded Iraq...

I am willing to admit oil plays some part in it...but not to the extent you like to play it up to...

[|Bunghole|]

[quote name='BlackJesus' post='443938' date='Feb 21 2007, 08:03 PM'][b]"in the south, where the brunt of the war was upon militia forces who fought the enemy British troops and their Loyalist supporters, but used concealment, surprise, and other guerrilla tactics to much advantage."[/b]

[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerrilla_warfare#American_Revolutionary_War"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerrilla_war...volutionary_War[/url]
[b]So were they Terrorists when it was the US training them to attack Soviets ??? Or did they just become terrorists when they turned those skills around and used them on us ? [/b]
[b]On Oct 7 2001, shortly after the US launched its first strikes against Afghanistan, Al Jazeera TV broadcast a video of Osama bin Laden. In that video, bin-Laden stated the two main goals of his terrorist campaign against the US:

a) Withdrawal of troops from "the Peninsula of Mohammed" (Saudi Arabia)

A sovereign and secure Palestine[/b]

[color="#2E8B57"][center][i]"I swear by Almighty God who raised the skies without a pillar that America and those who live in America will not dream of security before we live it as a reality in Palestine and before all the infidel armies leave the land of Mohammed, praise and peace be upon him."[/i]

[b]~ UBL [/b][/center][/color]
[url="http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/06/06_osama.html"]http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/06/06_osama.html[/url]
[b][size=6]According to a recent poll, 47% of the Iraqi population approve of the attacks on Coalition forces[/size].

When broken down along sectarian lines, [size=4]88% of the Sunni minority, which used to hold power during the Saddam Hussein regime, approve of the attacks.[/size] [/b]

[url="http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/home_page/165.php?nid=&id=&pnt=165&lb=hmpg2"]http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/art...65&lb=hmpg2[/url]
[b][color="#008000"][size=3]IRAN IS A SHIA COUNTRY NOT A SUNNI ONE DUMBASS !!! ..... THE SUNNIS LIVE IN IRAQ !!!! [/size][/color][/b][/quote]
So what percentage of the poll of Iraqis states that they approve of the perpetuating cycle of violence that the two religious sects perpetrate upon each other?
The Iraqi people by and large want this threat to their families, livelihood and way of life to end, regardless of whether they are Sunni, Shia or Kurdish.
The Americans aren't the ones being targeted anymore, by and large. Sure, killing us is always a bonus to them, praises to false Allah, but in Iraq right now....the sectarian violence that a MILLION man army couldn't control is ripping the tenuous hold that the fledgeling government (that the majority of Iraqis VOTED FOR, and for the first time since under Saddam, it actually MEANT SOMETHING!) has on the country.
People I know that are recently removed from the situation state that the sorriness of the new iraqi military and police forces share in much of the blame.
The Iraqi police force is rife with corruption and sectarianism, and the Army (besides a few highly-trained, motivated divisions) is afraid to confront insurgents in certain areas of Iraq that are hotbeds of violence for fear of their own death or late night reprisals against their families.

[|Bunghole|]

[quote name='Tigers Johnson' post='443946' date='Feb 21 2007, 08:26 PM']This is all predicated on the false assumption that Al Qaeda is a soverign nation that we are placing any of our embasies, warships or any other facilites in....WRONG! Al Qaeda moves around behind the protection of governments that support what they do or are scared to death of them. How are we supposed to attack them? Do we go into Syria? Lebanon? Iran? Or would the entire world throw and absolute shit fit? They are like a bully that comes out and sucker punches you and then goes and hides behind they're dad when you come back to kick their ass. No matter where our embasies are, no matter where our warships dock, no matter where we keep federal offices...Al Qaeda will try to attack.[/quote]
That is the truth. I guess the argument can be made by some that our foreign policy dictates that we "deserve it", but I'm not totally buying into that at all.

[Go Tory Go!]

[quote name='Nati Ice' post='443914' date='Feb 21 2007, 07:14 PM']so what youre telling me is the us may or may not have used some white phosphorus sparingly to light up the asses of a few insurgents and this somehow unravels all of my posts?

well, pardon me for wondering if it smelled like napalm in the morning[/quote]

Actually, I'm telling you that the Army [i]did[/i] use white phosphorus as an incendiary weapon. Can you read? You make an ass out of yourself by taking liberties like "sparingly" and "may or may not have" concerning an article in which even a military spokesperson was unable to deny the nature and magnitude of white phosphorus use in Iraq, as he had in a previous lie.

[quote name='Tigers Johnson']Al Qaeda moves around behind the protection of governments that support what they do or are scared to death of them. How are we supposed to attack them? Do we go into Syria? Lebanon? Iran? Or would the entire world throw and absolute shit fit? They are like a bully that comes out and sucker punches you and then goes and hides behind they're dad when you come back to kick their ass. No matter where our embasies are, no matter where our warships dock, no matter where we keep federal offices...Al Qaeda will try to attack.[/quote]

I guess the Pakis thought they were supporting Al Qaeda by offering Bin Laden when he was living in Kandahar before 9/11. One wonders if Bush knew who Bin Laden was at that point.

[|Tigers Johnson|]

[quote name='Go Tory Go!' post='443966' date='Feb 21 2007, 09:15 PM']Actually, I'm telling you that the Army [i]did[/i] use white phosphorus as an incendiary weapon. Can you read? You make an ass out of yourself by taking liberties like "sparingly" and "may or may not have" concerning an article in which even a military spokesperson was unable to deny the nature and magnitude of white phosphorus use in Iraq, as he had in a previous lie.
I guess the Pakis thought they were supporting Al Qaeda by offering Bin Laden when he was living in Kandahar before 9/11. One wonders if Bush knew who Bin Laden was at that point.

[/quote]

Was'nt this video shot down to have no relevance to anything in another thread? Any random reporter can ask any random question...that does'nt make his point or facts he leads up the his question true....If they were willing to surrender him pre 9/11..why not post 9/11?

[STRAYCAT]

BJ wants us to live here with our heads in the sand or dirt. He wants us to withdrawl and let the battle with those fucks come here. Al Qaeda is nothing but a terroist group who wants all of us dead. Acting like they are innocent and misunderstood is the biggest BS I ever read.

[Guest BlackJesus]

[quote name='STRAYCAT' post='443971' date='Feb 21 2007, 09:29 PM']Acting like they are innocent is the biggest BS I ever read.[/quote]


[b]1. [size=3]I do not believe they are INNOCENT[/size] = They are guilty of carrying out attacks against the U.S. and it's allies , [color="#0000FF"][u]which are horrible [/u][/color] ... however no more or less horrible than the killing or attacks that the U.S. has carried out against the Iraqis. What I am saying is that [color="#2E8B57"]"IF OUR ATTACKS ARE LEGITIMATE = THEN SO ARE THEIRS" ... IF THEIRS ARE NOT = THEN OURS ARE NOT"[/color] ...

you can't have your cake and eat it too.


Americans are so rediculous in the sense that some of us believe it is ok to bomb the fuck out of other nations and invade them .... but heaven forbid anyone actually attack us back ..... then we act like the school bully who can't believe that someone would have the audacity to throw paper at us after we kick 12 other kids asses.

The American PEOPLE DO NOT DESERVE to be attacked ... but our policies and behavior do have an element of [size=4][i]"Reeping what you Sow"[/i] [/size] .... sadly the reeping does not usually fall on those responsible in our govt .... but on our citizens who are mostly innocent in the whole ordeal. [/b]

[Guest BlackJesus]

[quote name='Bunghole' post='443957' date='Feb 21 2007, 08:54 PM']People I know that are recently removed from the situation state that the sorriness of the new iraqi military and police forces share in much of the blame.[/quote]


[color="#4169E1"][b]Bung .... if the U.S. (Supposedly the best armed and trained army in the world) ... Can not control the nation of Iraq .... then how in the fuck are a bunch of rag tag Iraqis trained on the fly supposed to do it ???[/color]


There is no way to control Iraq and keep it together as one nation .... = Without using Terror and brutal dictatorial power. Why the fuck do you think Saddam did what he did. He didn't woodchip the population for the fuck of it ... or because it gave him kicks .... he did it because he knew that in order to hold 3 nations into 1 nation ... he would have to be a brutal tyrant. For most of his tenure the US didn't care about his behavior. We only started to care when he thought that he would reunite Kuwait back into Iraq. Then all of the sudden he became the "Butcher of Baghdad" === when in fact he had been the butcher all along for decades.


I have said for years ... [color="#4169E1"][size=3]there is only one solution to Iraq .... Declare a Kurdistan ... move all US troops up into it ... and call the mid and south of Iraq a lost cause [/size][/color] ... and let Iran annex the southern portion, while the Sunnis in the center battle Iran for the next decade. [/b]

[Guest ONYX]

[quote name='BlackJesus' post='443988' date='Feb 21 2007, 10:20 PM'][b]1. [size=3]I do not believe that are INNOCENT[/size] = They are guilty of carrying out attacks against the U.S. and it's allies , [color="#0000FF"][u]which are horrible [/u][/color] ... however no more or less horrible than the killing or attacks that the U.S. has carried out against the Iraqis. What I am saying is that [color="#2E8B57"]"IF OUR ATTACKS ARE LEGITIMATE = THEN SO ARE THEIRS" ... IF THEIRS ARE NOT = THEN OURS ARE NOT"[/color] ...

you can't have your cake and eat it too.
Americans are so rediculous in the sense that some of us believe it is ok to bomb the fuck out of other nations and invade them .... but heaven forbid anyone actually attack us back ..... then we act like the school bully who can't believe that someone would have the audacity to throw paper at us after we kick 12 other kids asses.

The American PEOPLE DO NOT DESERVE to be attacked ... but our policies and behavior do have an element of [size=4][i]"Reeping what you Sow"[/i] [/size] .... sadly the reeping does not usually fall on those responsible in our govt .... but on our citizens who are mostly innocent in the whole ordeal. [/b][/quote]

[Jamie_B]

Since were talking about 9/11 and being attacked and such. I thought this appropriate as were heading down this path (though not there yet)...

[Guest BlackJesus]

[quote name='Tigers Johnson' post='443955' date='Feb 21 2007, 08:46 PM']If we wanted that oil so bad...then why would we leave?[/quote]

.....

[quote name='Tigers Johnson' post='443955' date='Feb 21 2007, 08:46 PM']Why not occupy for ever?[/quote]



[color="#008000"][size=4][b]we are not planning on leaving[/size][/color] ... hence why the US just built the largest embassy in the world in Baghdad (a 104-acre complex) - which is basically a military base = not an embassy. [/b]


[center][img]http://images.usatoday.com/news/_photos/2006/04/19/embassy1.jpg[/img]

[color="#0000FF"]---->[/color] [url="http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2006-04-19-us-embassy_x.htm"]USA TODAY - Giant U.S. embassy rising in Baghdad[/url][/center]


[b][size=4]Also the U.S. has built [color="#008000"]14 Permanent Bases [/color]in Iraq .... [/size][/b]

[center][img]http://www.fcnl.org/images/iraq/iraq_multiple_bases.jpg[/img][/center]

[url="http://www.fcnl.org/iraq/bases.htm"]http://www.fcnl.org/iraq/bases.htm[/url]







[quote name='Tigers Johnson' post='443955' date='Feb 21 2007, 08:46 PM']Who is going to stop us?[/quote]

[b]Only the American people. That is how an Empire works ... you have to wait for the Empire to either collapse in its own weight and corruption (we are working on that) ... or you have to hope that eventually the population will realize the brutality and destruction they are wreaking on the world to make their empire more cozy. Hopefully the American people are slowly waking up. [/b]

[Guest LoyalFanInGA]

You are a Ph.D. candidate in the international conflict analysis program writing your doctoral thesis on Kurdistan and this is your plan?

[quote name='BlackJesus' post='443990' date='Feb 21 2007, 10:27 PM']I have said for years ... [color="#4169E1"][size=3]there is only one solution to Iraq .... Declare a Kurdistan ... move all US troops up into it ... and call the mid and south of Iraq a lost cause [/size][/color] ... and let Iran annex the southern portion, while the Sunnis in the center battle Iran for the next decade. [/b][/quote]

Allow fundmentalist Iran to annex southern Iraq which would allow them to border the more moderate countries of Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. Create a central region of Iraqi Sunni/Iranian Shia religious warfare. And establish Kurdistan between Syria, Iran, and the cental no man's land.

Wow!

I suggest you purchase a board game called "RISK." You could play with family or friends this weekend.

[Go Tory Go!]

He has a point - if you declare a Kurdistan, pretty soon people will be clamoring for a Wheyistan, and the Wheys just aren't capable of self-governance.

[Guest LoyalFanInGA]

[quote name='Jamie_B' post='443995' date='Feb 21 2007, 10:33 PM']Since were talking about 9/11 and being attacked and such. I thought this appropriate as were heading down this path (though not there yet)...
[/quote]

Some very good points from a timely movie. While Bush is (illegally) allowing the eavesdropping upon America's citizenry we are all still here discussing the ills of of our government. None of us have been spirited away in the night. We're still here bitching away and insulting each other.

I had the oppurtunity to spend some time in the second oldest republic in the western hemisphere. There was (and probably still is) a period of time when talking ill of the government would get you stoned to death, chopped to death with a machete, or a trip to a place called the 'Killing Fields.' Although, I doubt that is what the locals called it. I've seen the bleached bones scattered on the ground for myself. The bullet hole in the skull. Personally, I think they made a half-assed attempt to clean up the bones. But they didn't think to clean up the [i]shoes.[/i] There were hundreds of shoes. Among them, I found a pair of baby's shoes.

Yes, there are lots of things which need to be improved in America. In my opinion, there are many more things which are right.

[Guest LoyalFanInGA]

[quote name='Go Tory Go!' post='444050' date='Feb 22 2007, 01:14 AM']He has a point - if you declare a Kurdistan, pretty soon people will be clamoring for a Wheyistan, and the Wheys just aren't capable of self-governance.[/quote]

Wheyistan?

That sounds too much like "WE-DEY-istan"

And I'm not going to sit here, sir, and listen to you bad mouth the Cincinnati Bengals.

Boon, Bluto, Otto, Flounder...Let's go.

[Guest bengalrick]

should anyone be able to unexpectidly bomb a building that has 10,000 innocent people in it, but has one cia office in it? NO you fucking idiot!!!

Is it justifiable to the people that decided that best bomb they could use was to slit the throats of flight attendants and pilots and fly planes into it? yes!!!


BY HOW THE FUCK COULD IT BE JUSTIFIABLE TO A PEACE LOVING AMERICAN?

[Actium]

[quote name='Tigers Johnson' post='443955' date='Feb 21 2007, 07:46 PM']Did it ever cross your mind that Iran is probably trying to keep Iraq unstable and when we are gone take control of that very same oil you so insist we want? If we wanted that oil so bad...then why would we leave? Why not occupy for ever? Who is going to stop us? The U.N....bah! I am still waiting for this windfall of oil to help boost our economy. I mean hell we have been paying great prices for oil since we invaded Iraq...

I am willing to admit oil plays some part in it...but not to the extent you like to play it up to...[/quote]

Personally, if we did go to war for oil, that is smart. A nation should seek to secure and protect natural resources, especially non-renewable ones (hasn't anyone played Civ III?!).

As far as the premise of this topic goes, I say that since there is no real international law or code of morality, al Qaeda can do what it wants as far as targeting goes. We can also do what we want in return. The consideration of tactics is pragmatic, and war is the controlled use of violence to secure certain objectives--it is not a mere bloodbath. Al Qaeda's earlier tactic of actually attacking the American homeland was a mistake, because it served to unite the country, not destroy it. Losing the capacity to hit here at home actually helped their cause, as we have returned to the business as usual of petty politics.

I also think that the idea that it's okay if al qaeda does it because we do (sort of) should apply to the reverse. So we should start sawing off Gitmo prisoner's heads and posting it on the internet. And we should also form militias to kill those who dissent from the view of the US government. Watch out if that happens--you might want to delete this thread!

See this is what happens when you bring morality into macro affairs. You get so caught up in the "we're evil and wrong" that you fail to see how the other entities out there are. Everyone seems to get a pass for their deeds except for the USA and Israel, because somehow they cause all the problems.

[Guest BlackJesus]

[quote name='bengalrick' post='444154' date='Feb 22 2007, 11:02 AM']should anyone be able to unexpectidly bomb a building that has 10,000 innocent people in it, but has one cia office in it?[/quote]


[color="#0000FF"][b]Should a nation be able to carpet bomb and invade a nation of 25 million people ... to capture 1 brutal former allie Tyrant that we think is a threat ?

how about ...

Should a nation be able to carpet bomb and invade a nation because that nation possess a small camp of some people we think are terrorists ? [/color]




- What proportion or % of the assumed target is acceptable ?


- What you don't realize is that your argument supports my premise .... I don't think the WTC attacks were ok ... nor the invasion of Iraq .... you are the inconsistent one. [/b]