Jews, Christians, Strange Alliance

[|BlackJesus|]

[quote name='Lawman' post='533645' date='Aug 26 2007, 01:25 PM'][i]Carter admitted to ignoring or consulting with [b]Dennis Ross[/b].[/i][/quote]





[quote][b]He is the first chairman of a new Jerusalem based think tank, the Institute for Jewish People Policy Planning, funded and founded by the Jewish Agency.[/b][/quote]

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[b][quote]Ross is a Foreign Affairs Analyst for the Fox News Channel[/quote] [/b]

[Jamie_B]

Everyone here who has actually read carters book please raise you hand. (And no horshack, im not talking about Mr. Carter.)


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[Lawman]

[quote name='BlackJesus' post='533646' date='Aug 26 2007, 01:25 PM'][img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img]
[url="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=CAMERA"]http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=CAMERA[/url][/quote]

[b]Sourcewatch[/b]

[color="#000080"]A project of the Center for Media and Democracy (CMD), SourceWatch describes itself as an “encyclopedia of people, issues and groups shaping the public agenda.” The subjects of these entries are individuals, issues, and organizations whose objectives and ideologies run the entire left-to-right political gamut.

SourceWatch also seeks to expose what it calls the “propaganda activities of public relations firms” and the activities of organizations working “on behalf of corporations, governments and special interests.” These "exposes," which tend to be critical of their subjects, deal predominantly with conservative entities.

Founded in 2003 under the name Disinfopedia, SourceWatch (which took its current name in 2005) reports that from April 2006 to April 2007 it received some 73 million page views. As of April 2007, the SourceWatch database contained more than 15,600 entries.

As with the online reference Wikipedia, the contents of SourceWatch are written and edited by ordinary Web users. Says SourceWatch: “You don't need any special credentials to participate -- we shun credentialism along with other propaganda techniques.” While stating that it seeks to maintain fairness in the profiles and articles appearing on its website, SourceWatch does acknowledge that “ignoring systemic bias and claiming objectivity is itself one of many well-known propaganda techniques.”

The SourceWatch database is composed (as of early May 2007) of some 612 topics, 27 of which are classified as “main topics.” These include: Academia, Activism, Aviation, Communication, Corruption, Countries, Economics, Environment, Events, Government, Health, Human Rights, Ideologies, Industry, Information and Privacy, International Issues, Issues, Lists, Media, Organizations, People, Politics, Religion, Site Administration, Sociology, Sources, and War/Peace. Within each of these categories, SourceWatch provides information on related groups, individuals, and issues of concern. The perspectives are mostly leftist; the entries rely heavily on leftist and far-leftist sources.

Consider for instance the "Activism" category, wherein there is an article depicting expressions of concern about violent acts of ecoterrorism as nothing more than right-wing fear-mongering and selective outrage: “Since 1990, there have been numerous attempts by industry front groups, PR firms and conservative think-tanks ... to associate environmental activism with terrorism. … While conservative groups routinely denounce both peaceful protests and vandalism as the equivalent of terrorism, they remain silent about violent attacks against environmentalists and animal rights activists.”

Most of SourceWatch's “Human Rights” category focuses on allegations of U.S.-perpetrated prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay.

In the category titled “Axis of Evil,” SourceWatch derides President George W. Bush’s use of that term in reference to Iran, Iraq, and North Korea. Declares SourceWatch: “To say that these nations are ‘evil’ depends in part on your theology and in part on your politics. There is no question that Iran, Iraq and North Korea have all committed significant violations of human rights, although Iran has recently been undergoing internal democratization (a process that may be disrupted as the U.S. invasion of Iraq fans the flames of Islamic fundamentalism). The singling out of these particular nations as evil, however, invites the question of why the Bush administration failed to include U.S.-supported nations that violate human rights on a similar scale, such as Saudi Arabia or Egypt …In reality, ‘axis of evil’ is a term used to stigmatize countries against which the U.S. contemplates military action in the near future.”

The section on Hurricane Katrina focuses heavily on the Bush administration’s alleged indifference to the crisis. For example, one entry quotes Michael Giltz of AMERICAblog, who wrote in September 2005: "When the worst natural disaster in our nation's history attacked us, George Bush STAYED ON VACATION … in Crawford, Texas. … [And] vice president Dick Cheney STAYED ON VACATION in Jackson, Wyoming. … Sec[retary] of State Condi Rice WENT ON VACATION in New York City and went to a splashy Broadway musical and bought obscenely expensive shoes. She went shopping …"

[size=3]Consider also how SourceWatch describes the organization Holy Land Trust (HLT), which spreads false propaganda about Jews robbing Arab lands and brutalizing Arabs in a repressive state of military occupation. Rather than mention any of these facts, SourceWatch merely cites HLT's self-description as “a Palestinian not-for-profit organization established … to promote and support the Palestinian community in its struggle … to achieve political independence … and … to assist in building an independent Palestine that is founded on the principles of nonviolence, democracy, respect for human rights and the peaceful resolution of conflicts.”[/size]

[u]The founder of SourceWatch is Sheldon Rampton[/u], who also serves as CMD’s Research Director. [b]Rampton was formerly an outreach coordinator for the Wisconsin Coordinating Council on Nicaragua, a group established in 1984 to oppose President Reagan’s efforts to stop the spread of Communism in Central America, and currently dedicated to promoting a leftist vision of “social justice in Nicaragua through alternative models of development and activism.”[/b]

Although its profiles and articles are user-created, SourceWatch employs an editor, Bob Burton, to oversee the project. Prior to his work at SourceWatch, Burton served as a researcher and campaigner on environmental issues for the Wilderness Society in Australia. He is the co-author of Secrets and Lies: The Anatomy of an Anti-Environmental PR Campaign. [/color]

[Jamie_B]

Lawman can you please post links to go along with this stuff (you've posted some but not all).

[Lawman]

[quote name='BlackJesus' post='533652' date='Aug 26 2007, 01:29 PM']
[b]He is the first chairman of a new Jerusalem based think tank, the Institute for Jewish People Policy Planning, funded and founded by the Jewish Agency.[/b]

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[/quote]

[color="#000080"][u]As chief Middle East peace negotiator under Presidents George H. W. Bush and Bill Clinton[/u], [size=5]Ambassador Ross knows perhaps more than anyone else the details of Israeli-Palestinian peace talks at the end of 2000[/size]—a topic discussed by Carter in recent interviews and his new book[/color]

[|BlackJesus|]

[quote name='Lawman' post='533649' date='Aug 26 2007, 01:27 PM'][i]I love it when you resort to such tactics, it only confirms to me that I am winning the argument.[/i] [/quote]
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Yeah ... you sure are Timmy.

I am starting to wonder if you type while wearing a bicycle helmet.

I don’t even know where to start with all the fabricated horse shit you post … I would need a secretary to keep up with it all.

Also I am confident in other posters ability to read the arguments and decide for themselves. Those you dupe were lost causes from the start anyway ... and thus I won't shed any tears. = There will always be a flat earth society crowd who believes whatever Faux News tells them ... luckily for the rest of us this number is dwindling. [/b][/size][/font]

[Lawman]

[quote name='Jamie_B' post='533657' date='Aug 26 2007, 01:32 PM']Lawman can you please post links to go along with this stuff (you've posted some but not all).[/quote]

[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SourceWatch"]Sourcewatch[/url]

[i]That's it.[/i]

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='Lawman' post='533661' date='Aug 26 2007, 01:35 PM'][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SourceWatch"]Sourcewatch[/url]

[i]That's it.[/i][/quote]


Any time I see this on a Wikie, I tend to ignore what it has to say.

"The neutrality of this article is disputed."

[Lawman]

[quote]BlackJesus
Also I am confident in other posters ability to read the arguments and decide for themselves.[/quote]

[i]As am I; don't you wish you could see my PM's [/i]

[Lawman]

[quote name='Jamie_B' post='533653' date='Aug 26 2007, 01:30 PM']Everyone here who has actually read carters book please raise you hand. (And no horshack, im not talking about Mr. Carter.)
[img]http://images.jupiterimages.com/common/detail/55/86/23458655.jpg[/img][/quote]


[i]Unfortunaley, so did Mr. Kenneth Stein[/i]

[url="http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=8&x_nameinnews=187&x_article=1245"]Historian Severs Ties with Carter Center Over Distorted Book[/url]

[i]The guy worked for Carter; if that is not a slap in the face at what Carter says as being untrue, well then...[/i]

[color="#000080"]Middle East historian Kenneth Stein has resigned from the Carter Center over the former president’s new book which, he charges, is "replete with factual errors, copied materials not cited, superficialities, glaring omissions, and simply invented segments."

Professor Stein is the William E. Schatten professor of contemporary Middle Eastern history, political science, and Israeli studies at Emory University, as well as founder and director of the university’s Institute for the Study of Modern Israel. He served as an advisor on Middle East affairs to former President Jimmy Carter as well as the first executive director of the human rights center founded by the president and has been a Carter Center fellow for Middle East affairs since 1983. Stein ended his 23-year association with the center he helped shape after reading Carter’s recent publication "Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid," and was quick to deny any association with "the research, preparation, writing, or review of President Carter's recent publication." Stein was concerned that his continued association with the Center would leave the impression that he was "sanctioning a series of egregious errors and polemical conclusions which appeared in President Carter's book." He criticized Carter, saying "being president doesn't give one the prerogative to bend the facts to reach a prescribed reality."[/color]

[Lawman]

[quote name='Jamie_B' post='533662' date='Aug 26 2007, 01:37 PM']Any time I see this on a Wikie, I tend to ignore what it has to say.

"The neutrality of this article is disputed."[/quote]

[i]You are beggining to worry me.[/i]

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='Lawman' post='533667' date='Aug 26 2007, 01:45 PM'][i]You are beggining to worry me.[/i] [/quote]


Worry you that I prefer nutral sources??





Anyway I need to get to the lab and get some work done.

[Jamie_B]

The dumbasses forgot to add my credientals to their database so I could get my work done, so I get to go home.


Suckers.




Oh and Lawman dont worry about me, just because Im at work on Sunday. I went to church first and told them I wasnt coming in untill after 1 because of church, and made sure they knew H.R. would be involved if that was a problem.

[Lawman]

[quote]Worry you that I prefer n[color="#8B0000"][b]e[/b][/color]utral sources??[/quote]

[i]Fixed it, I promise not to tell[/i] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//32.gif[/img]

[i]If you find a neutral source, please let me know [/i]

[Khatmandude]

[quote name='Lawman' post='533663' date='Aug 26 2007, 03:08 PM'][i]As am I; don't you wish you could see my PM's [/i] [/quote]

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Rudi32's PMs to you don't count.......

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='IKOTA' post='533697' date='Aug 26 2007, 02:59 PM'][img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img]
[img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img]

Rudi32's PMs to you don't count.......[/quote]


[img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/24.gif[/img]

Ok THAT is funny.

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='Lawman' post='533678' date='Aug 26 2007, 02:16 PM'][i]Fixed it, I promise not to tell[/i] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//32.gif[/img]

[i]If you find a neutral source, please let me know [/i] [/quote]


Carter loves Israel, he isnt being bias. Its a good book.

[|BlackJesus|]

[quote name='Lawman' post='533663' date='Aug 26 2007, 01:38 PM'][i]As am I; don't you wish you could see my PM's [/i] [/quote]


[font="Arial Narrow"][size=3][b]Actually no I don't ... I don't care ... Hell in a nation with a large number of people who believe there was a triceratops on Noah's Ark or WMD's in Iraq ... It wouldn't suprise me to know there are people who agree with what you have to copy and paste. [/b][/size][/font]

[|BlackJesus|]

[quote name='Lawman' post='533666' date='Aug 26 2007, 01:44 PM']Middle East historian Kenneth Stein has resigned from the Carter Center over the former president’s new book which, he charges, is [b]"replete with factual errors, copied materials not cited, superficialities, glaring omissions, and simply invented segments."[/b][/quote]


[color="#2F4F4F"][font="Arial Narrow"][size=3][b]= At first I thought he was describing Lawman's copy and paste jobs when I read this [/b][/size][/font][/color]

[Lawman]

[quote name='IKOTA' post='533697' date='Aug 26 2007, 02:59 PM'][img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//24.gif[/img]
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Rudi32's PMs to you don't count.......[/quote]

[i]Why you dissin my boy rudi32[/i]

[i]I harbor a ton of respect for the man.[/i]

[Lawman]

[quote name='Jamie_B' post='533708' date='Aug 26 2007, 03:25 PM'][b]Carter loves Israel[/b], he isnt being bias. Its a good book.[/quote]

Jamie_B.
[i]I have hard time believing that[/i]

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='Lawman' post='533775' date='Aug 26 2007, 06:17 PM']Jamie_B.
[i]I have hard time believing that[/i] [/quote]

I have to post the first one here because its dead on.



Now you can hear his goal here. (he wants peace for isreal)

[|BlackJesus|]

[quote name='Lawman' post='533775' date='Aug 26 2007, 06:17 PM']Jamie_B.
[i]I have hard time believing that[/i] [/quote]


[font="Arial Narrow"][size=3][b]you're right

He is only the only American leader ever to establish a peace deal with Israel and her neighbors ... [/b][/size][/font]

[|Bunghole|]

[quote name='Jamie_B' post='533777' date='Aug 26 2007, 04:31 PM']I have to post the first one here because its dead on.

Now you can hear his goal here. (he wants peace for isreal)
[/quote]
The Peanut Farmer was too idealistic and inexperienced to be a good President (and presided over some of the worst inflation we'd ever seen, which wasn't really his fault), but I'm certainly on board with his views regarding Palestine vis a vis Israel.
He is a good man with good intentions.

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='Bunghole' post='533815' date='Aug 26 2007, 08:19 PM']The Peanut Farmer was too idealistic and inexperienced to be a good President (and presided over some of the worst inflation we'd ever seen, which wasn't really his fault), but I'm certainly on board with his views regarding Palestine vis a vis Israel.
He is a good man with good intentions.[/quote]


Amen.