Vol_Bengal Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 [quote name='Homer_Rice' post='694841' date='Sep 3 2008, 10:26 AM'] I understand how the conversation started. It's in the campaign manual: set up opposition research and start digging. Once, as an idealistic young punk, I was part of an oppo research team for a state-wide campaign. The feeling is both exhilarating and sort of creepy. On one hand, you feel like an insider doing missionary work; on the other hand, the better angel on your shoulder is saying, "Geez, this is kinda smarmy." Earlier I said that it seemed to me that the vetting process was pretty sketchy. I said that I spent more time working on hiring mid-level executives than appeared to be the case here. Now, according to WaPo, it seems that Palin wasn't spoken to until the day before her selection. That doesn't mean the McCain folks hadn't done a little prior research, but even so--the day before? To me, this just confirms my belief that McCain is a bit of a loose cannon. What happens if he makes a shoot-from-the-hip kind of decision in a really important situation? (And isn't a VP choice honestly considered to be a somewhat important decision?) [url="http://www.slate.com/id/2199118/"]That said, here's a case for Palin, sort of.[/url][/quote] Stated as such - I understand your concern... if you're concerned with McCain's judgement then that is a legitimate argument. Why isn't the issue framed as such? Instead of dragging the woman, her medical history, her family, etc. through the mud... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vol_Bengal Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 [quote name='Nati Ice' post='694827' date='Sep 3 2008, 10:05 AM']a public debate? because she and the campaign have done little to stop the small controversy that surrounds her from spreading. they probably secretly approve of it and view it as a means to gain more sympathetic votes.[/quote] why was there controversy initially to even stamp out? It had to start somewhere such that the campaign would have to answer it. What started the controversy, or what is the controversy? Because, as I've said before, it isn't even a story / issue. I mean, honestly, what are we arguing / debating in this whole deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missing Link Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 [quote name='Vol_Bengal' post='694849' date='Sep 3 2008, 10:45 AM']why was there controversy initially to even stamp out? It had to start somewhere such that the campaign would have to answer it. What started the controversy, or what is the controversy? Because, as I've said before, it isn't even a story / issue. I mean, honestly, what are we arguing / debating in this whole deal?[/quote] The controversy the the hipocracy known as Sarah Palin. Once again, another upstanding Republican politician who touts high moral values can't achieve the very bar they set for themselves .... The true problem with the Palin pick isn't even about her .... it's about the old man and his terrible judgement. Sorry, NOBODY is dumb enough to take one of your only campaign strengths away (i.e., experience) and tells the country that this 72 year old 4 time cancer survivor, is selecting a 44 year old NRA gun toting, hard core anti-abortion, moose eating, beauty queen, sports caster who by the way was also the Mayor of a town of 9,600 people ..... to be a "Day 1 Ready" Vice President of the United States of America and 1 heartbeat away from the Presidency. This pick of McCain's will live in infamy as one of the biggest campaign blunders in political history .... mark my words. [img]http://cagle.com/working/080902/arial.gif[/img] [img]http://cagle.com/working/080902/siers.jpg[/img] [img]http://cagle.com/working/080902/bors.jpg[/img] [img]http://editorialcartoonists.com/cartoons/HorseD/2008/HorseD20080903_low.jpg[/img] [img]http://cagle.com/working/080902/oconnor.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vol_Bengal Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 [quote name='Missing Link' post='695067' date='Sep 3 2008, 06:36 PM']The controversy the the hipocracy known as Sarah Palin. Once again, another upstanding Republican politician who touts high moral values can't achieve the very bar they set for themselves ....[/quote] I don't understand the hypocrisy on her part... because her daughter got pregnant??? I'm a Republican... look at porn, use birth control, against abortion (except in the case of rape / incest, threatens life of mother), etc., etc., etc. and want my children to have sex education. I don't want them to be given contraception devices in school - that is their mother's and my job. So, if my daughter got pregnant when she's 17 I'm a hypocrite? I'd love an explanation - she can only answer for her actions, not her kids'. If you have proof she's done things that she's opposed to (had an abortion, etc.) then you have a case for hypocrisy. Until then, not so much. There isn't a story here. Again, if it is your concern in McCain's judgement / choice then address it. Don't disparage a person's family. You can disparage the candidate if you'd like - but make sure your information is a legitimate gripe. So far, I've heard people disagreeing with her policy / opinion and if that is the case then fine. That is what politics is all about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nati Ice Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 [quote name='Vol_Bengal' post='695075' date='Sep 3 2008, 07:01 PM']I don't understand the hypocrisy on her part... because her daughter got pregnant???[/quote] the hypocrisy part has little to do with what her daughter did and everything to do with why her public policies directly contradict her family taking pride in their choice. palin is essentially telling everyone that they have to respect her familys decision to have the baby and that they should elect her so that she can help put a stop to providing families the ability to make that same choice. she is interjecting her so called morals into her public postering in an attempt the enforce them on the private lives of the same public she demands respect from. if her family can take pride in choice, why shouldnt anyone elses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Tigers Johnson| Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 [quote name='Nati Ice' post='695199' date='Sep 4 2008, 01:48 AM']the hypocrisy part has little to do with what her daughter did and everything to do with why her public policies directly contradict her family taking pride in their choice. palin is essentially telling everyone that they have to respect her familys decision to have the baby and that they should elect her so that she can help put a stop to providing families the ability to make that same choice. she is interjecting her so called morals into her public postering in an attempt the enforce them on the private lives of the same public she demands respect from. if her family can take pride in choice, why shouldnt anyone elses?[/quote] Uhhhh...the baby is coming no matter what....the choice comes whether to end the pregnancy or not. They did not have make a "choice" to have the baby. In her eyes, there is no other choice....how does that make her a hypocrit. Thats a nice jab at circular logic you took there though..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nati Ice Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 [quote name='Tigers Johnson' post='695201' date='Sep 4 2008, 01:54 AM']Uhhhh...the baby is coming no matter what....the choice comes whether to end the pregnancy or not. They did not have make a "choice" to have the baby. In her eyes, there is no other choice....how does that make her a hypocrit. Thats a nice jab at circular logic you took there though.....[/quote] what the hell are you talking about? her own press release stated that a decision was made to keep the baby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Tigers Johnson| Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 [quote name='Nati Ice' post='695212' date='Sep 4 2008, 03:37 AM']what the hell are you talking about? her own press release stated that a decision was made to keep the baby[/quote] Do you think that decision to "keep" the baby was not to put it up for adoption? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bean Counter Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 [quote name='Tigers Johnson' post='695222' date='Sep 4 2008, 05:25 AM']Do you think that decision to "keep" the baby was not to put it up for adoption?[/quote] Of course not. The only logical explanation is the one that makes the republican a hypocrite. The attack dogs don't deal in logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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