Who our coaches/scouts are looking at

[Bengals1181]

We've had a thread like this the past few years and its usually helped in identifying potential players we draft or sign as we tend to grab at least 1-2 guys on the list.

(I didn't link sources for much of this, most of it was found on either Profootballtalk.com, or Gil Brandt's blog on [url="http://blogs.nfl.com/category/pro-days/"] )http://blogs.nfl.com/category/pro-days/[/url]

[b]Guys we've gone and worked out:[/b]

Bernard Scott, RB - Albeline Christian

Billy Malone, QB - Albeline Christian

Donald Brown, RB - Connecticut (scheduled to)

Patrick Cowan, QB, UCLA






[b]Guys we talked to at the combine:[/b]
(has anyone heard about any of these?)

Augustus Parrish, OT, Kent State

Robby Felix , C, UTEP

Juan Garcia, C, Washington

Jason Watkins, OT, Florida

Fenuki Tupou, OT, Oregon

Jasper Brinkely, MLB, South Carolina



[b]Guys/schools whose Pro Day we have attended:[/b]


Jason Smith, OT - Baylor


Colorado State (for RB Gatrell Johnson?)

Blake Schlueter, Center - Texas Christian

University of Toledo (haven't seen which 4 players participated, other than that Nick Moore wasn't one of them)

Ohio State - 29 teams were present, I would assume we were one of them (prospects of note: MLB Laurinaitis, LB Freeman, WR Robiskie, RB Beanie Wells, OT Alex Boone, CB Donald Washington, QB Todd Boeckman, WR Brian Hartline, WR Nick Moore - of Toledo) - Video: [url="http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/03/16/steelers-contingent-attends-ohio-state-pro-day/"]http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/03/16/steelers-c...-state-pro-day/[/url]

Cincinnati - Attended by Marvin, and I'm sure others on the Bengals staff. (Players of note: TE/DE/LB Connor Barwin, DB Deangeolo Smith, DT Demetrius Byrd, DB Brandon Underwood, DB Mike Mickens, OG Trevor Canfield, WR Dominic Goodman, P Kevin Huber)

Missouri - attended by WR coach Mike Sheppard (players of note: WR Jeremy Maclin)


Virginia - attended by OL coach Paul Alexander (players of note: LT Eugene Monroe, LB Clint Sintim, RK/KR Cedric Peerman)

Georgia - attended by RB coach Jim Anderson (players of note: RB Knowshon Moreno, WR Mohammed Massequoi, FB Branne Southerland)

Texas A&M (players of note: RB Mike Goodson)

Wake Forest (players of note: LB Aaron Curry, CB Alphonso Smith)

BYU - RB coach Jim Anderson (players of note: RB Fui Vakapuna, Wr Austin Collie, OL Dallas Reynolds, OL Travis Bright, OL Rey Feinga)

Tennessee - DL coach Jay Hayes (players of note: DE Robert Ayers)

Texas - TE coach Johnathan Hayes (players of note: DE Brian Orakpo, WR Quan Cosby)

Mississippi (players of note: OT Michael Oher, DT Peria Jerry, WR Mike Wallace)

Temple - DL coach Jay Hayes (players of note: DT Terrance Knighton (6-3 1/4, 317 pounds))

Nevada-Reno - (players of note: FB Jerome Johnson)

Grandvalley State/Michigan Tech/Hillsdale College/Ferris State - Assistant LB coach Paul Guenther (players of note: Grand Valley State DL Dan Skuta (6-2 1/2, 249 pounds), Michigan Tech DB Robert Haynes (5-9 1/4, 191 pounds) and Hillsdale LB Tom Korte (6-0 1/4, 236 pounds) - [i]Skuta worked out at DL, LB, FB and HB. Sounds like he's a heck of an athlete.[/i]

Furman - assistant DB coach Louie Cioffi (players of note: CB William Middleton, OT Joel Bell)


South Carolina - TE coach Johnathan Hayes (players of note: TE Jared Cook, MLB Jasper Brinkley, OT Jamon Meredith)

USC - LB coach Jeff Fitzgerald (players of note: MLB Rey Maluaga, LB Brian Cushing, LB Clay Matthews) - [i]reportedly Fitz personally worked out Maluauga[/i]

Mike Mitchell, Safety, Ohio University

Georgia Tech (players of note: DE Michael Johnson)






[b]Guys being brought in for personal workouts (you're allowed 30):[/b]
[i](These will typically begin April 1 according to Hobson)[/i]

Beanie Wells, RB - Ohio State (per Dayton Daily News) - first week of April

Aaron Curry, LB - Wake Forest (per SI.com) - April 1st

Jason Smith, OT - Baylor [url="http://forum.go-bengals.com/index.php?showtopic=47533&st=0&#entry757015"]http://forum.go-bengals.com/index.php?show...mp;#entry757015[/url]

Knowshon Moreno, RB - Georgia [url="http://forum.go-bengals.com/index.php?showtopic=47533&st=0&#entry757015"]http://forum.go-bengals.com/index.php?show...mp;#entry757015[/url]

Jeremy Maclin, WR - Missouri [url="http://forum.go-bengals.com/index.php?showtopic=47533&st=0&#entry757015"]http://forum.go-bengals.com/index.php?show...mp;#entry757015[/url]


Eric Wood, C - Louisville

Michael Oher, OT - Mississippi

Fui Vakapuna, RB/FB - BYU

LeSean McCoy, RB - Pittsburgh

Donald Brown, RB - Connecticut

Kenny Britt, WR - Rutgers

Tyronne Green, OG - Auburn

Rashad Jennings, RB - Liberty

DeAngelo Willingham, DB - Tennessee

Nick Reed, LB/DE - Oregon

Johnny Knox, WR - Albeline Christian

Matt Simon, WR - Northern Illinois

Colin Dow, OG, Montana

Al Afalava, SS, Oregon State

Derek Cox, CB, William and Mary

Bill Rentmeester, FB, Wisconsin

Cornelius Lewis, OT, Tennessee State

Dudley Guice, WR, Northwestern State

Jake Ingram, LS, Hawaii

Augustus Parrish, OT, Kent State

Adam Leonard, LB, Hawaii

Will Ta’ufo’ou, FB, Cal

Derek Kinder, WR, Pittsburgh [url="http://boards.bengals.com/showthread.php?t=42154&page=3"]http://boards.bengals.com/showthread.php?t=42154&page=3[/url]

Andre Brown, RB, NC State [url="http://boards.bengals.com/showthread.php?t=42154&page=3"]http://boards.bengals.com/showthread.php?t=42154&page=3[/url]

Jake Richardson, P, Miami [url="http://boards.bengals.com/showthread.php?t=42154&page=4"]http://boards.bengals.com/showthread.php?t=42154&page=4[/url]

Jovan Belcher, DE/OLB, Maryland [url="http://boards.bengals.com/showthread.php?t=42154&page=4"]http://boards.bengals.com/showthread.php?t=42154&page=4[/url]

Jerome Johnson, FB, Nevada-Reno [url="http://boards.bengals.com/showthread.php?t=42154&page=4"]http://boards.bengals.com/showthread.php?t=42154&page=4[/url] (this might have been in regards to us working him out at his pro day)


DE/OLB Jovan Belcher - University of Maine

TE Brandon Myers - Iowa

CB Mark Parson - Ohio U

FB Chris Pressley - Wisconsin KFFL.com

RB Walter Mendenhall - Illinois State


[b]Local Pro Day (I don't believe these count against our 30 above, as every team gets a pro day for local prospects):[/b]

DE/OLB/TE Connor Barwin - Cincinnati

DB Mike Mickens - Cincinnati

DB DeAngelo Smith - Cincinnati

P Kevin Huber - Cincinnati

LB Ryan Manalac - Cincinnati

CB Brandon Underwood - Cincinnati



[b]Guys of note we coached at the Senior Bowl:[/b]


Alex Mack, C, Cal

Max Unger, C, Oregon

Andy Levitre, OT/OG, Oregon State

William Beatty, OT, Connecticut

Trevor Canfield, OG, Cincinnati

Kory Sheets, RB, Purdue

Marcus Freeman, LB, Ohio State

Jeremiah Johnson, RB, Oregon





Please name any others, and I'll keep a running list in this post.

[Bengals1181]

some things I've noticed: Jason Smith, Eugene Monroe, Jeremy Maclin, and Knowshon Moreno (and assumably Beanie Wells) are all guys who we have private workouts set up for, and also visited their pro days.


also caught this nugget in a piece about Monroe:

[quote]Virginia OT Eugene Monroe, whom Pat Kirwan projects to be the top pick in next month’s NFL Draft, had a solid workout today in Charlottesville.

The 6-foot-5 3/8, 312-pounder kept all of his workout numbers from the combine, but he did position drills and looked very good. [b]Cincinnati Bengals offensive line coach Paul Alexander, who has been everywhere there has been a tackle, [/b]orchestrated the position drills, and two other o-line coaches also were in attendance.[/quote]

also on Moreno:

[quote]Bengals running backs coach Jim Anderson spent a great deal of time working out Moreno.[/quote]

[|Bengal Migration|]

I'm nitpicking, but you left off the UC punter. Not that I can remember his name

[Jason]

[quote name='Bengal Migration' post='757481' date='Mar 20 2009, 10:25 PM']I'm nitpicking, but you left off the UC punter. Not that I can remember his name [/quote]

Kevin Huber, and I hope and pray the Bengals get him.

[Bengals1181]

anyone know much about RB Fui Vakapuna of BYU? RB Coach Jim Anderson personally went to go work him out. Seems like one tough SOB.





(he's #1)

[bengalsdave985]

McCoy Makes The Rounds
Posted by Mike Florio on March 26, 2009, 7:33 p.m. EDT
Former Pitt tailback LeSean McCoy, who left school with two seasons of eligibility remaining, is getting special attention from several teams.

Per a league source, McCoy has had private workouts with the Broncos, Eagles, and Bengals.

McCoy had a so-so Pro Day workout earlier this month. And he was candid about it.

“I don’t think I blew out anybody with the way I performed,” McCoy said. “I’ll be honest with you; I wouldn’t say that. But I think I did fairly well. I think they were more impressed with my strength. As far as a running back, I think everybody knew I could catch the ball, I could run and I could cut.

“I wanted to blow out my 40, which I didn’t.”

McCoy ran the 40 in the 4.5-second range. He wasn’t able to work out at the Scouting Combine in February because he was ill.

[Bengals1181]

bump for those working on their mocks.

[Bengals1181]

[quote]Rutgers’ top prospect, WR Kenny Britt (6-3 1/4, 210) has already worked out for the Dolphins and has other workouts scheduled with the Ravens, Giants, [b]Bengals,[/b] Vikings and Jets.[/quote]



hmmm.

[Scoutforlife591]

Thanks for doing this 1811. I'm was just to busy to get it started.

[Bengals1181]

[quote name='Scoutforlife591' post='759047' date='Mar 26 2009, 10:26 PM']Thanks for doing this 1811. I'm was just to busy to get it started.[/quote]


np. I take it you were the one doing it previous years?

[Mu Shu]

[quote name='bengalsdave985' post='759039' date='Mar 26 2009, 09:29 PM']McCoy Makes The Rounds
Posted by Mike Florio on March 26, 2009, 7:33 p.m. EDT
Former Pitt tailback LeSean McCoy, who left school with two seasons of eligibility remaining, is getting special attention from several teams.

Per a league source, McCoy has had private workouts with the Broncos, Eagles, and Bengals.

McCoy had a so-so Pro Day workout earlier this month. And he was candid about it.

“I don’t think I blew out anybody with the way I performed,” McCoy said. “I’ll be honest with you; I wouldn’t say that. But I think I did fairly well. I think they were more impressed with my strength. As far as a running back, I think everybody knew I could catch the ball, I could run and I could cut.

“I wanted to blow out my 40, which I didn’t.”

McCoy ran the 40 in the 4.5-second range. He wasn’t able to work out at the Scouting Combine in February because he was ill.[/quote]

Oh man. I would love to have McCoy on this team. He's the perfect compliment to Benson.

[Kochman]

[quote]* The Bengals and the Rams have both shown a "tremendous amount of interest" in former Auburn guard Tyronne Green. He has already been on visits - or has visits scheduled - with ten teams: Bengals, Rams, Chargers, Ravens, Rams, Bills, Falcons, Seahawks, Steelers and the Chiefs.[/quote]

Draftdaddy

[texbengal]

I noticed on NFL Network video that the guy taking Brian Orapko through workouts at the U-T Pro Day was none other than our own DL coach, Jay Hayes. I think he's a very strong consideration at #6, since he can line up with his hand on the ground, or also play standing up - and both Zimmer and ML have consistently mentioned needing a pressure player on D...

Also, as 1181 mentioned, Donald Brown (U Conn RB) is coming for a personal visit. I heard him interviewed on NFL-N, and he indicated that, along with a few other teams. Also, since the Bengals coached him at the Sr. Bowl, another U Conn guy to consider is Darius Butler, a CB who's shooting up the charts. He played well at the Sr. Bowl, and reportedly had a stellar workout, too.

[Bengals1181]

[quote name='texbengal' post='759379' date='Mar 28 2009, 09:07 AM']I noticed on NFL Network video that the guy taking Brian Orapko through workouts at the U-T Pro Day was none other than our own DL coach, Jay Hayes. I think he's a very strong consideration at #6, since he can line up with his hand on the ground, or also play standing up - and both Zimmer and ML have consistently mentioned needing a pressure player on D...

Also, as 1181 mentioned, Donald Brown (U Conn RB) is coming for a personal visit. I heard him interviewed on NFL-N, and he indicated that, along with a few other teams. Also, since the Bengals coached him at the Sr. Bowl, another U Conn guy to consider is Darius Butler, a CB who's shooting up the charts. He played well at the Sr. Bowl, and reportedly had a stellar workout, too.[/quote]


I just can't see the point of taking a RB before our comp. 3rd pick with such a deep RB class and already having a starter in Benson. There will be some very good backs in the late 3rd/early 4th of this draft.

[|Tigers Johnson|]

[quote name='Bengals1181' post='759405' date='Mar 28 2009, 11:47 AM']I just can't see the point of taking a RB before our comp. 3rd pick with such a deep RB class and already having a starter in Benson. There will be some very good backs in the late 3rd/early 4th of this draft.[/quote]

I can if you think he is going to be a game breaker.....just about every playoff team last year had two good RB's....right now we only have one.

[Bengals1181]

[quote name='Tigers Johnson' post='759417' date='Mar 28 2009, 12:38 PM']I can if you think he is going to be a game breaker.....just about every playoff team last year had two good RB's....right now we only have one.[/quote]


I think you can find a gamebreaker like j.johnson, goodson, or someone else in the 3rd or 4th round.

[bengalsdave985]

[quote name='Bengals1181' post='759429' date='Mar 28 2009, 01:25 PM']I think you can find a gamebreaker like j.johnson, goodson, or someone else in the 3rd or 4th round.[/quote]
I'm sorry but we will differ on this considerably.

Donald Brown and Shady McCoy are so far ahead of guys like Johnson and Goodson.

Johnson is small and slow, not a good combo. He played in the Oregon spread and at no point in his career was he the best back on his team (Stewart and Blount) He was worse at his pro day than at the combine. Goodson has some wiggle but never ran for more than 800 yards in a season. He's a nice player but Brown and McCoy are late first early 2nd guys. I cant see the other two going before round 4. Brown and MCoy have been massive producers and I'm more interested in getting the best player over finding a change of pass guy. I would rather have Shonn Green, Andre Brown or Rashad Jennings then Johnson or Goodson. Its just personal opinion and its like comparing hot chicks, to each there own, but I am just not impressed with those two.

Just for reference and its not the end all be all but nfldraftcountdown has McCoy 3rd and Brown 4th while Goodson is 8th and Johnson is 11th. Goodson's size and speed is ok with me but Johnson's is not. 5'8", 209 and 4.67. IMO 40 times isnt a huge deal but 4.67 is slow as shit. He's tore his ACL once and has shoulder problems.

I am pretty convinced if Brown is there we will take him. There is no way 11 guys make this team so I see no way we use 11 picks. IMO we will trade back into the first round to secure a RB or a C or possibly stand pat and then trade into the 2nd to get what we want. I feel at most we make 9 selections.

Now to the original reason I jumped on here......

Temple’s Knighton Gaining Attention Of NFL Scouts
Posted by Aaron Wilson on March 28, 2009, 12:42 p.m.
Big Temple defensive tackle Terrance Knighton had an impressive workout at his campus Pro Day with several NFL defensive line coaches in attendance, according to Gil Brandt of NFL.com.

The 6′3″, 317-pound lineman ran the 40-yard dash in 4.93 seconds and registered a 29-inch vertical leap. Knighton improved upon his numbers from the NFL Scouting Combine where he ran the 40-yard dash in 5.21 seconds.

With Cincinnati Bengals defensive line coach Jay Hayes, Cleveland Browns defensive line coach Bryan Cox as well as coaches from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and the Denver Broncos watching, Knighton also had a 8-9 broad jump.

He bench pressed 225 pounds only 21 times, though.

Knighton recorded 54 tackles last season as well as 7 1/2 tackles for losses and blocked the fourth kick of his career in a game against Navy.

[Kochman]

[quote]NFL | J. Johnson receiving interest
Sat, 28 Mar 2009 05:43:40 -0700

J.J. Pesavento, of NFLDraftBible.com, reports the New Orleans Saints, Green Bay Packers, Oakland Raiders, Baltimore Ravens, New York Giants, St. Louis Rams, Arizona Cardinals, Pittsburgh Steelers, Kansas City Chiefs and Cincinnati Bengals are teams interested in Nevada-Reno FB Jerome Johnson.[/quote]


[quote]NFL | J. Johnson works out at Pro Day
Sat, 28 Mar 2009 05:12:28 -0700

J.J. Pesavento, of NFLDraftBible.com, reports Nevada-Reno FB Jerome Johnson measured a height of 6-foot and a weight of 258 pounds at his Pro Day. He ran the 40-yard dash in 4.71 seconds, the short shuttle in 4.43 seconds, the long shuttle in 12.18 seconds and the three-cone drill in 7.13 seconds. He measured a 32-inch vertical jump, an 8-foot-5 broad jump and completed 24 repetitions on the 225-pound bench press.[/quote]

[Bengals1181]

[quote name='bengalsdave985' post='759446' date='Mar 28 2009, 02:09 PM']I'm sorry but we will differ on this considerably.

[b]Donald Brown and Shady McCoy are so far ahead of guys like Johnson and Goodson.[/b][/quote]



I'm not arguing that at all, but is one of the top 3 centers and mike goodson better than Donald brown and a 3rd or 4th round center? It may be.


I'm not saying Brown and McCoy wouldn't be very good RB's, but is the #2 RB position important enough to pass on a highly rated center or linebacker? Or even if say Michael Johnson is still there (which I don't think he will), I'd take him over Brown or McCoy.

[bengalsdave985]

[quote name='Bengals1181' post='759477' date='Mar 28 2009, 03:43 PM']I'm not arguing that at all, but is one of the top 3 centers and mike goodson better than Donald brown and a 3rd or 4th round center? It may be.


I'm not saying Brown and McCoy wouldn't be very good RB's, but is the #2 RB position important enough to pass on a highly rated center or linebacker? Or even if say Michael Johnson is still there (which I don't think he will), I'd take him over Brown or McCoy.[/quote]
Personally I would rather have Brown and Antonie Caldwell than Mack and Goodson but thats just me. I think we could get Caldwell with our comp 3rd and squeeze a DE/OLB in between.

I think Johnson is there for us at 38 but if Mack, Brown, and McCoy are there also it could be interesting but thats not exactly a terrible problem to have

[Kochman]

[quote]Ohio State’s Wells To Visit Several NFL Teams
Posted by Aaron Wilson on March 28, 2009, 3:07 p.m.
Ohio State star running back Chris “Beanie” Wells is scheduled to visit multiple NFL teams over the next few weeks, according to a league source.

Among the visits Wells currently has planned: the Denver Broncos, Cincinnati Bengals, Arizona Cardinals, San Diego Chargers and the Seattle Seahawks.

Wells was clocked between 4.38 and 4.44 seconds in the 40-yard dash at his campus Pro Day, impressing NFL scouts with his size-speed ratio at 6-foot-1, 235 pounds. Wells told Ohio reporters following the workout that some teams timed him as fast as 4.34 seconds.

At the NFL Scouting Combine, Wells registered a 33 1/2 inch vertical leap and bench pressed 225 pounds 25 times.

In three seasons for the Buckeyes, the All-Big Ten Conference running back rushed for 3,382 yards and scored 30 touchdowns. The Akron native was twice named the Buckeyes’ Most Valuable Player[/quote]

[Bengals1181]

[quote name='bengalsdave985' post='759479' date='Mar 28 2009, 03:53 PM']Personally I would rather have Brown and Antonie Caldwell than Mack and Goodson but thats just me. I think we could get Caldwell with our comp 3rd and squeeze a DE/OLB in between.

I think Johnson is there for us at 38 but if Mack, Brown, and McCoy are there also it could be interesting but thats not exactly a terrible problem to have[/quote]


I wouldn't mind Caldwell, but you'd be taking an awfully big risk still hoping he's there at the end of the 3rd.

[Jason]

Brown isn't at the top of my list in 2, but if Mack, Unger, and Barwin are gone, and Brown is the BPA, it wouldn't upset me.

[Scoutforlife591]

[quote name='Bengals1181' post='759048' date='Mar 26 2009, 10:30 PM']np. I take it you were the one doing it previous years?[/quote]

Two years ago I did. BZ beat me to the punch last year, but he did a great job keeping it organized. I would usually do some analysis. Like tracking who is available throughout the year as cuts and undrafted free agents. I used to do it at the Huddles (you know, back in the day). I think it's really useful, and pretty reliable.

If my memory serves me right, we usually have over 100 listings, we draft 3-4, and pick up another 2-3 undrafter/cuts, and usually there are only 7-8 left available at any given time.

[Bengals1181]

[quote name='Kochman' post='759368' date='Mar 28 2009, 04:55 AM']Draftdaddy[/quote]


regarding Tyrone Green:

[quote]Scouts compare Green to former Auburn standout Ben Grubbs (Baltimore), as he has great athletic ability and outstanding suddenness coming off the snap. Even though he never started at the position,[b] the coaching staff experimented with Green at center in 2008 fall camp. He showed the quick hands and head-on-the-swivel agility that could see him possibly shift to the pivot position in the National Football League.[/b][/quote]


watched some tape of him. He reminds me of a shorter Steinbach. Looks like a very good pulling LG, and maybe even a center?