Guest bengalrick Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 bengalrick i have to admit, dunn is flat out on fire... sign here if you also bashed dunn consistantly, and ready to admit, that he might be "the man"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 Ever since he hit that sacrifice fly, he has been doing great. Have a hefty serving everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackJesus Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 [color="red"][b]Might be time to stop paying attention to the Reds altogether !!![/b][/color] [b][color="orange"]Go Bengals [/color][/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonBlade Posted August 5, 2005 Report Share Posted August 5, 2005 If people thought he was crap and are here to eat crow, can those of us who thought he was great, gloat? *gloats*. VB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 5, 2005 Report Share Posted August 5, 2005 [quote name='VonBlade' date='Aug 4 2005, 09:24 PM']If people thought he was crap and are here to eat crow, can those of us who thought he was great, gloat? *gloats*. VB [right][post="124879"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] That's why I'm here! *gloats* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrassBengal Posted August 5, 2005 Report Share Posted August 5, 2005 Dunn needs to be moved to first or traded at the end of the year. I am tired of seeing him not being able to throw the ball farther than 100 ft. He is an absolute joke in the outfield. When he can play some D I will join you and say he is the man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-GoBengals- Posted August 5, 2005 Report Share Posted August 5, 2005 fuck that dunn sucks, trade his ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean Posted August 5, 2005 Report Share Posted August 5, 2005 Tastes like chicken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ickeyshuffler Posted August 5, 2005 Report Share Posted August 5, 2005 in the post steriod baseball era adam dunn will be one of the best hitters out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieselman44 Posted August 5, 2005 Report Share Posted August 5, 2005 move him to first, get casey out of here. maybe dunn would throw better lefty. billy wagner switched and he throws 100mph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengalrick Posted August 5, 2005 Report Share Posted August 5, 2005 i never said he sucked... but if he hits the way he has been, i can deal w/ mediocrity on other sides of the ball.. btw diesel... i still wouldn't move him to first... just my opinion, but just b/c he's hitting, doesn't make up for being a bad fielder... and as a first baseman, you have to be able to be at least a good, preferably great fielder... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~mroby30~ Posted August 5, 2005 Report Share Posted August 5, 2005 Dunn has always been streaky like this, he'll hit 20 hr's in a month, pad his hr stats for the season, and suck the rest of the year, you just wait, you'll see, he's done it a million times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengalrick Posted August 5, 2005 Report Share Posted August 5, 2005 mroby has to put salt on our game... although, your probably right... but as good as he looks recently... wow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieselman44 Posted August 5, 2005 Report Share Posted August 5, 2005 mroby is correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted August 5, 2005 Report Share Posted August 5, 2005 I never said he sucked as a hitter, other than to point out that he doesn't hit for average and is either striking out or hitting homeruns. Until recently, his RBI totals sucked as well because he was hitting meaningless homeruns when nobody was on base. The law of percentages would dictate that he would start knocking them outta here when someone was on base. He does however, have marginal skills on defense--a weak throwing arm for someone his size, coupled with a bad glove and poor closing speed on outfield shots... I maintain that while I like him and there is no denying his power, he was a hot commodity for a contending team and had the most trade value for players that were being considered for a trade. Well, the deadline is over now, and we'll just have to see what happens with him in the offseason.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-GoBengals- Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 repeats: screw dunn.. get him the hell outta here, he doesnt want to be here, he sucks ass in the outfield, he has a bad lazy attitude, its sad what a shitty attitude baseball players have... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 he probably wouldnt be a bad first baseman...he is about 6'6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrassBengal Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 word Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-GoBengals- Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 [quote name='Palmerforpresident9' date='Aug 6 2005, 12:52 PM']he probably wouldnt be a bad first baseman...he is about 6'6 [right][post="125967"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] he has played first many times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengalrick Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 [url="http://http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=4808&context=fielding"]dunn's fielding stats[/url] 1st base: .988 for his career it is better than he is in the outfield, but its still not very good considering how many putouts you get credited for... it also mentions a "zone rating" which is "The percentage of balls fielded by a player in his typical defensive "zone," as measured by STATS, Inc." and that is at a .785... he is much higher in the outfield... this would definately be considered a hidden stat, b/c errors don't show you how much range someone has... compare those stats to [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/fielding?statsId=5930"]casey[/url]: casey in [color="red"]red[/color], dunn in [b]black[/b] 1st base %: [color="red"].995[/color] [b].988[/b] zone range: [color="red"].874[/color] [b].785[/b] casey is 7th in [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/fielding?groupId=9&season=2005&seasonType=2&split=79&sortColumn=zoneRating"]zone rating[/url] this year... i'll give dunn some credit though... in limited playing time this year, he is at .857... , which would be 13th in the league in the ZR... but his fielding % would leave him at 21st, where casey is number one... first base is too important for dunn to be out there... he is a liability in the field as it, but i guess he has gotten better... his first year, he was pathetic... casey might be slow on the base paths, but he has a hell of a bat, and is a great fielder... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 I just want a power hitting first baseman because casey might have 5 homeruns this year and out of starting first baseman i would bet my bottom dollar that is last in the league...we need more run production out of our first baseman. We are in a small park where people hit it out all the time...casey is just a singles hitter and a singles hitter just aint cutting it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 [quote name='Palmerforpresident9' date='Aug 7 2005, 12:40 AM']I just want a power hitting first baseman because casey might have 5 homeruns this year and out of starting first baseman i would bet my bottom dollar that is last in the league...we need more run production out of our first baseman. We are in a small park where people hit it out all the time...casey is just a singles hitter and a singles hitter just aint cutting it [right][post="126180"][/post][/right][/quote] We have enough power in the lineup already with Junior, Dunn, Lopez and Kearns/Pena. Pete Rose was a singles hitter with about the same speed, and most years a similar batting average, and he played 1st, 3rd, and the OF, ALL power positions and NEVER hit more than 16 HR in a year. And Casey is a better defensive 1B than Rose was. Just last year, Casey hit 24 or 25 HR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengalrick Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 [quote name='Palmerforpresident9' date='Aug 6 2005, 11:40 PM']I just want a power hitting first baseman because casey might have 5 homeruns this year and out of starting first baseman i would bet my bottom dollar that is last in the league...we need more run production out of our first baseman. We are in a small park where people hit it out all the time...casey is just a singles hitter and a singles hitter just aint cutting it  [right][post="126180"][/post][/right][/quote] hell, we have a power hitting SS!!! that would make up for our lack of power at the corners... we also have a power hitting CF... power is DEFINATELY not this teams problem and casey is a slap hitter, who is known for doubles... not only getting singles... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieselman44 Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 i dont quite understand this zone rating stat. so that means that if i can only move 1 foot to either side but i field all the balls within thhose two feet then ima great fielder? help me out here rick. also if you are going to keep casey here, just dont bat him anywhere above the 6 spot please, if hes not a power hitter he shouldnt be hitting in a power hitters spot in the lineup. and hes not worth 8 mil next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bengalrick Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 [quote name='dieselman44' date='Aug 9 2005, 12:59 PM']i dont quite understand this zone rating stat. so that means that if i can only move 1 foot to either side but i field all the balls within thhose two feet then ima great fielder? help me out here rick. also if you are going to keep casey here, just dont bat him anywhere above the 6 spot please, if hes not a power hitter he shouldnt be hitting in a power hitters spot in the lineup. and hes not worth 8 mil next year. [right][post="127419"][/post][/right][/quote] he's not worth 8 million, but he's worth alot of money... i'll give you that... i'd also like to see him around the 6 spot... we're not disagreeing much actually about the ZR thing, when i posted that stuff, it was the first i heard of it... it says this about it: [i]ZR: Zone rating. The percentage of balls fielded by a player in his typical defensive "zone," as measured by STATS, Inc[/i]. heres a more indepth [url="http://www.baseball-almanac.com/stats3.shtml"]definition[/url]: [i]Zone Rating [ZR] - STATS, Inc. developed their own defensive rating system to also track locations of EVERY hit ball for EVERY game played - similar to the above Defensive Average statistic. The Zone Rating system is different because the area of responsibility, or zone, for each fielder is considered a "playable" area and does not account for balls hit into "Bermuda Triangles", "No Mans Land" or other impossible to field balls. A fielder that turns a double play is credited with 2 outs in the ZR system as their play on the ball actually resulted in both outs versus Defensive Average which only credits the 1 out. STATS, Inc. books area available at every bookstore and their work is updated on a yearly basis for player comparisons.[/i] it sounds like there is an imaginary "zone" that they determine should be fielded... they don't count balls in the hole or other balls that can't realistically be played... we have to take the stats for what they are, considering there is no way to check them out ourselves... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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