Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi killed

[Guest BengalBacker]

[Rumble In the Jungle]

you have a link or something?

[Guest BengalBacker]

It's on tv.

[Guest BengalBacker]

[url="http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/08/iraq.al.zarqawi/index.html"]http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/08/...qawi/index.html[/url]

[Guest BlackJesus]

[color="#000099"][b]what is odd, is that the China Daily reported him being arrested alive according to Iraqi sources yeterday ?[/b][/color]



[size=3][u][quote]Al-Zarqawi reportedly arrested in Iraq
(itar-tass.com)
Updated: 2005-01-04 14:37[/u][/size]


Abu Mus'ab al-Zarqawi, whom the US occupation authorities declared to be the "target number one" in Iraq, has been arrested in the city of Baakuba, the Emirate newspaper al-Bayane reported on Tuesday referring to Kurdish sources.

Al-Zarqawi, leader of the terrorist group Al-Tawhid Wa'al-Jihad, was recently appointed the director of the Al-Qaeda organisation in Iraq.

The newspaper's correspondent in Baghdad points out that a report on the seizure of the terrorist, on whom the US put a bounty of US$10 million, was also reported by Iraqi Kurdistan radio, which at one time had been the first to announce the arrest of Saddam Hussein.

Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was captured in Iraq, said Tuesday's Al Bayan, a daily newspaper of the United Arab Emirates (UAE).[file]

There have been no official reports about the arrest of the terrorist. Al-Zarqawi, 38, a Jordanian, whose real name is Ahmad al-Khalayleh, aims to turn Iraq into a "new Afghanistan".

According to Arab press data, Al-Tawhid Wa'al-Jihad group has divided Iraq into several emirates. The group's independent subdivisions at a strength of 50 to 500 militants operate in the cities of Al-Falluja, Al-Qaim, Diala, and Samarra.

The personnel of the group is on the whole 1,500-strong and includes Iraqis and citizens of Arab and Islamic countries. There are demolition experts and missilemen among them.

The group has depots of weapons and explosives in various parts of the country. It intends to frustrate the upcoming parliamentary elections that are scheduled for the end of this month. Al-Tawhid Wa'al-Jihad threatens to do away with Iraqi Prime Minister Ayad Allawi and members of the interim government.[/quote]


[url="http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-01/04/content_405831.htm"]http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2...tent_405831.htm[/url]

[Guest BlackJesus]

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[u]The Washington Post[/u] 2 months ago predicted how the U.S. Govt was trumping up the Zarqawi boogeyman ... and whadda ya know (with gay marriage failing) poof now he pops up dead ?

The propaganda matrix almost makes it look too easy. [/b] [/color]





[size=3][u][quote]Military Plays Up Role of Zarqawi
Jordanian Painted As Foreign Threat To Iraq's Stability
By Thomas E. Ricks
Washington Post
April 10, 2006[/u][/size]


[b]The U.S. military is conducting a propaganda campaign to magnify the role of the leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq, according to internal military documents and officers familiar with the program.[/b] The effort has raised his profile in a way that some[b] military intelligence officials believe may have overstated his importance[/b] and [b]helped the Bush administration tie the war to the organization responsible for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.[/b]

The documents state that the U.S. campaign aims to turn Iraqis against Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a Jordanian, by playing on their perceived dislike of foreigners. U.S. authorities claim some success with that effort, noting that some tribal Iraqi insurgents have attacked Zarqawi loyalists.

[b]For the past two years, U.S. military leaders have been using Iraqi media and other outlets in Baghdad to publicize Zarqawi's role in the insurgency.[/b] [b]The documents explicitly list the "U.S. Home Audience" as one of the targets of a broader propaganda campaign.[/b]

[b]Some senior intelligence officers believe Zarqawi's role may have been overemphasized by the propaganda campaign, which has included leaflets, radio and television broadcasts, Internet postings and at least one leak to an American journalist[/b]. Although Zarqawi and other foreign insurgents in Iraq have conducted deadly bombing attacks, [b]they remain "a very small part of the actual numbers," Col. Derek Harvey,[/b] who served as a military intelligence officer in Iraq and then was one of the top officers handling Iraq intelligence issues on the staff of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told an Army meeting at Fort Leavenworth, Kan., last summer.

In a transcript of the meeting, Harvey said, [b]"Our own focus on Zarqawi has enlarged his caricature, if you will -- made him more important than he really is, in some ways."[/b]

"The long-term threat is not Zarqawi or religious extremists, but these former regime types and their friends," said Harvey, who did not return phone calls seeking comment on his remarks.

There has been a running argument among specialists in Iraq about how much significance to assign to [b]Zarqawi, who spent seven years in prison in Jordan for attempting to overthrow the government there.[/b] After his release he spent time in Pakistan and Afghanistan before moving his base of operations to Iraq. He has been sentenced to death in absentia for planning the 2002 assassination of U.S. diplomat Lawrence Foley in Jordan. U.S. authorities have said he is responsible for dozens of deaths in Iraq and have placed a $25 million bounty on his head.

[b]Recently there have been unconfirmed reports of a possible rift between Zarqawi and the parent al-Qaeda organization that may have resulted in his being demoted or cut loose.[/b] Last week, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said that it was unclear what was happening between Zarqawi and al-Qaeda. "It may be that he's not being fired at all, but that he is being focused on the military side of the al-Qaeda effort and he's being asked to leave more of a political side possibly to others, because of some disagreements within al-Qaeda," he said.

[b]The military's propaganda program largely has been aimed at Iraqis, but seems to have spilled over into the U.S. media. [/b] One briefing slide about U.S. "strategic communications" in Iraq, prepared for Army Gen. George W. Casey Jr., the top U.S. commander in Iraq, describes the "home audience" as one of six major targets of the American side of the war.

That slide, created by Casey's subordinates, does not specifically state that U.S. citizens were being targeted by the effort, but other sections of the briefings indicate that there were direct military efforts to use the U.S. media to affect views of the war. [b]One slide in the same briefing, for example, noted that a "selective leak" about Zarqawi was made to Dexter Filkins, a New York Times reporter based in Baghdad. Filkins's resulting article, about a letter supposedly written by Zarqawi and boasting of suicide attacks in Iraq, ran on the Times front page on Feb. 9, 2004.[/b]

Leaks to reporters from U.S. officials in Iraq are common, [b]but official evidence of a propaganda operation using an American reporter is rare[/b].

Filkins, reached by e-mail, said that he was not told at the time that there was a psychological operations campaign aimed at Zarqawi, but said he assumed that the military was releasing the letter "because it had decided it was in its best interest to have it publicized." No special conditions were placed upon him in being briefed on its contents, he said. He said he was skeptical about the document's authenticity then, and remains so now, and so at the time tried to confirm its authenticity with officials outside the U.S. military.

"There was no attempt to manipulate the press," Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt, the U.S. military's chief spokesman when the propaganda campaign began in 2004, said in an interview Friday. "We trusted Dexter to write an accurate story, and we gave him a good scoop."

Another briefing slide states that after U.S. commanders ordered that the atrocities of Saddam Hussein's government be publicized, U.S. psychological operations soldiers produced a video disc that not only was widely disseminated inside Iraq, but also was "seen on Fox News."

U.S. military policy is not to aim psychological operations at Americans, said Army Col. James A. Treadwell, who commanded the U.S. military psyops unit in Iraq in 2003. "It is ingrained in U.S.: You don't psyop Americans. We just don't do it," said Treadwell. He said he left Iraq before the Zarqawi program began but was later told about it.

"When we provided stuff, it was all in Arabic," and aimed at the Iraqi and Arab media, said another military officer familiar with the program, who spoke on background because he is not supposed to speak to reporters.

[b]But this officer said that the Zarqawi campaign "probably raised his profile in the American press's view."[/b]

With satellite television, e-mail and the Internet, it is impossible to prevent some carryover from propaganda campaigns overseas into the U.S. media, said Treadwell, who is now director of a new project at the U.S. Special Operations Command that focuses on "trans-regional" media issues. Such carryover is "not blowback, it's bleed-over," he said. "There's always going to be a certain amount of bleed-over with the global information environment."

The Zarqawi program was not related to another effort, led by the Lincoln Group, a U.S. consulting firm, to place pro-U.S. articles in Iraq newspapers, according to the officer familiar with the program who spoke on background.

[b]It is difficult to determine how much has been spent on the Zarqawi campaign, which began two years ago and is believed to be ongoing.[/b] U.S. propaganda efforts in Iraq in 2004 cost $24 million, but that included extensive building of offices and residences for troops involved, as well as radio broadcasts and distribution of thousands of leaflets with Zarqawi's face on them, said the officer speaking on background.

[b]The Zarqawi campaign is discussed in several of the internal military documents. "Villainize Zarqawi/leverage xenophobia response," one U.S. military briefing from 2004 stated. It listed three methods: "Media operations," "Special Ops (626)" (a reference to Task Force 626, an elite U.S. military unit assigned primarily to hunt in Iraq for senior officials in Hussein's government) and "PSYOP," the U.S. military term for propaganda work.[/b]

One internal briefing, produced by the U.S. military headquarters in Iraq, said that Kimmitt had concluded that, [b] "The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date."[/b]

Kimmitt is now the senior planner on the staff of the Central Command that directs operations in Iraq and the rest of the Middle East.

In 2003 and 2004, he coordinated public affairs, information operations and psychological operations in Iraq -- though he said in an interview the internal briefing must be mistaken because he did not actually run the psychological operations and could not speak for them.

Kimmitt said, [b]"There was clearly an information campaign to raise the public awareness of who Zarqawi was,[/b] primarily for the Iraqi audience but also with the international audience."

A goal of the campaign was to drive a wedge into the insurgency by emphasizing Zarqawi's terrorist acts and foreign origin, said officers familiar with the program.

"Through aggressive Strategic Communications, [b]Abu Musab al-Zarqawi now represents: Terrorism in Iraq/Foreign Fighters in Iraq/Suffering of Iraqi People[/b] (Infrastructure Attacks)/Denial of Iraqi Aspirations," the same briefing asserts.

Officials said one indication that the campaign worked is that over the past several months, there have been reports that Iraqi tribal insurgents have attacked Zarqawi loyalists, especially in the culturally conservative province of Anbar. "What we're finding is indeed the people of al-Anbar -- Fallujah and Ramadi, specifically -- have decided to turn against terrorists and foreign fighters," Maj. Gen Rick Lynch, a U.S. military spokesman in Baghdad, said in February.[/quote]


[url="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/09/AR2006040900890_2.html?nav=most_emailed"]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...av=most_emailed[/url]

[Guest BlackJesus]

[color="#006600"][b]2 months ago in Rolling Stone Magazine .... [/b][/color]





[size=3][u][quote][img]http://i.realone.com/assets/rn/img/6/8/1/3/9753186-9753189-slarge.jpg[/img]
[size=5]Hyping Zarqawi [/size]
4/11/2006
Rolling Stone Magazine[/u][/size]


[b]"The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date." -- Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt,[/b] in an internal 2004 memo [b]praising the propaganda campaign to hype the threat of Iraq's "terrorist mastermind" Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. [/b]

I'm frankly amazed this Washington Post story from Monday hasn't gotten more play.

What it exposes is that Bush administration never stopped lying to the American people about the threats faced in Iraq. [b]Just as it did with WMD before the war, the administration hyped the threat posed by Zarqawi during the occupation -- this time to make it seem as though Iraq were a vital part of the battle with Al Qaeda. [/b]

[b]Today, we know Zarqawi as the mastermind of the insurgency, Al Qaeda's main man in Iraq, the diabolical plotter behind all of those suicide and roadside bombs.[/b] The administration spun this line, and the American media, myself included, swallowed hook, line and sinker. [b]But it turns out that Zarqawi's role in Iraq has been shamelessly hyped in a "psychological operations" propaganda effort -- aimed both at Iraqis and, in apparent contravention of Pentagon policy, at the American public.[/b]

Last summer, [u]Col. Derek Harvey [/u] -- a top military intelligence officer in Iraq and [b]who handled Iraq intel for the Joint Chiefs of Staff -- told a gathering of Army brass that Zarqawi's violence represented "a very small part of the actual numbers[/b] . . . The long-term threat is not Zarqawi or religious extremists, but these former regime types and their friends."

[u][b]Harvey continued, "Our own focus on Zarqawi has enlarged his caricature, if you will -- made him more important than he really is."[/b][/u]

As outlined in documents obtained by the Post, the propaganda effort to hype Zarqawi had two intended effects: To unify Iraqis, who would blame this meddling outsider for the violence in their country, and [b]to make Zarqawi an enduring symbol stateside -- one that justified continued U.S. presence in Iraq. [/b]

These Power Point slides prepared for top U.S. commander in Iraq, General Casey, are startling, in that they show just how naked and calculating this deception of the American people was, listing the "home audience" as a major target of the propaganda effort.

[b]This text describes the "results" of operation "Villainize Zarqawi."[/b] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//24.gif[/img]


[b]Through aggressive Strategic Communications Abu Musab al-Zarqawi now represents: [/b]

-- Terrorism in Iraq

-- Foreign Fighters in Iraq

-- Suffering of Iraqi People (Infrastructure Attacks)

-- Denial of Aspirations (Disrupting Transfer of Sovereignty)

[/quote]

[url="http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/nataffdaily/story/9753195/hyping_zarqawi?rnd=1144889432406&has-player=unknown"]http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/nataf...-player=unknown[/url]

[Guest BengalBacker]

Don't care. He's dead.

[Guest BlackJesus]

[quote name='BengalBacker' post='279202' date='Jun 8 2006, 04:11 AM']Don't care. He's dead.



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[Guest BengalBacker]

I don't have my head in the sand.

You believe your propoganda, I'll believe mine.

I honestly think I'm more objective than you. You latch onto anything that's anti-American and swallow it hook, line and sinker. I think every side has an agenda.

[Guest BlackJesus]

[color="#333399"][b] MSNBC .... carried a report from insurgents saying that he was killed back in 2004 ....

but that isn't even the most telling part of this report .... the key part is that ....

[u]US intelligence has believed for a few years ... that he had an Artificial leg [/u] .... But the video clips of "him" shooting his gun recently don't show a guy moving like he has a wooden or fake leg ....

but who reads the news anyway [/b] [/color]





[size=3][u][quote]Iraq militants claim al-Zarqawi is dead
Al Qaida-linked extremist suspected of planning attacks
[size=5]March 4, 2004[/size]
MSNBC[/u][/size]


BAGHDAD, Iraq - A Jordanian extremist suspected of bloody suicide attacks in Iraq [b]was killed some time ago in U.S. bombing and a letter outlining plans for fomenting sectarian war is a forgery, a statement allegedly from an insurgent group west of the capital said.[/b]

[b]Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was killed in the Sulaimaniyah mountains of northern Iraq “during the American bombing there,” according to a statement circulated in Fallujah this week and signed by the “Leadership of the Allahu Akbar Mujahedeen.”[/b]

There was no way to verify the authenticity of the statement, one of many leaflets put out by a variety of groups taking part in the anti-U.S. resistance.

The statement did not say when al-Zarqawi was supposedly killed, [b]but U.S. jets bombed strongholds of the extremist Ansar al-Islam in the north last April as Saddam Hussein’s regime was collapsing.[/b]

[b]It said al-Zarqawi was unable to escape the bombing because of his artificial leg.[/b]

[b]Before the Iraq conflict began last March, U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell said al-Zarqawi received hospital treatment in Baghdad after fleeing Afghanistan. [size=3] U.S. intelligence sources said he apparently was fitted with an artificial leg.[/b][/size]

The statement said the “fabricated al-Zarqawi memo” has been used by the U.S.-run coalition “to back up their theory of a civil war” in Iraq.

In February, the U.S.-led coalition in Iraq made public an intercepted letter it said was written by al-Zarqawi to al-Qaida leaders, detailing a strategy of spectacular attacks to derail the planned June 30 handover of power to the Iraqis. U.S. officials say al-Zarqawi may have been involved in some of the series of suicide bombings this year in Iraq.

“The truth is, al-Qaida is not present in Iraq,” the Mujahedeen statement said. Though many Arabs entered the country to fight U.S. troops, only a small number remain, the group said.

A little over a year ago, Jordanian authorities named al-Zarqawi as the mastermind behind the October 2002 murder of Laurence Foley, a 60-year-old administrator of U.S. aid programs in Jordan.

In a German court last year, Shadi Abdellah, a Palestinian on trial for allegedly plotting to attack Berlin’s Jewish Museum and a Jewish-owned disco, testified he was working for al-Zarqawi. He said they met in Afghanistan.

German authorities have reportedly said they believe al-Zarqawi was appointed by al-Qaida’s leadership to arrange attacks in Europe.

Moroccan government sources said a group blamed for bombings last May that killed 45 people in Casablanca got its orders from al-Zarqawi. In Turkey, officials said he was believed to have played a role in bombings that killed 63 at two synagogues, the British consulate and a British bank in Istanbul in November.[/quote]


[url="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4446084/"]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4446084/[/url]




[b]from 2004 ....[/b]

[size=3][i][quote]"There is no real proof that he [al-Zarqawi] is alive. If he is supposedly moving around freely in Iraq why haven't Iraqis spoken about him? He can't be that difficult to recognise with his wooden leg"[/i][/size]

[b]--- Add al-Bari Atwan, Arab affairs commentator[/b][/quote]

[url="http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/9EF53F67-7A94-49EE-AFDF-7C8A323BDD2E.htm"]http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/9EF...C8A323BDD2E.htm[/url]

[Guest BengalBacker]

Keith, I think, made a point in a thread while back about the parts you [b]bold[/b].

A lot of the articles you post would read completely differently if different parts were made bold. Stop propogandizing everything.

[Guest BlackJesus]

[quote name='BengalBacker' post='279209' date='Jun 8 2006, 04:25 AM']Keith, I think, made a point in a thread while back about the parts you [b]bold[/b].

A lot of the articles you post would read completely differently if different parts were made bold. Stop propogandizing everything.

[/quote]


[b]the bold is to show the parts that I am refering to .... also I never say only read the bold .... I expect that everyone reads all of it [/b]

[Guest BlackJesus]

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[size=3]June 17, 2004 [/size]


[quote][size=3][i]"I don't know if I should say this or not, but I—I suppose I can—it appears that Zarqawi may very well not have sworn allegiance to Bin Laden"[/i][/size]

[b]--- Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld[/b][/quote]


[url="http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2004/tr20040617-secdef0881.html"]http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/200...secdef0881.html[/url][/center]

[Guest BengalBacker]

I just think you've lost all objectivity. You think I have my head in the sand.

I still think truths usually lie somewhere in the middle of the extremes, and I think it's safe to say that your views are usually pretty extreme.

[Guest BlackJesus]

[quote name='BengalBacker' post='279213' date='Jun 8 2006, 04:41 AM']I just think you've lost all objectivity. You think I have my head in the sand.

I still think truths usually lie somewhere in the middle of the extremes, and I think it's safe to say that your views are usually pretty extreme.

[/quote]


[b]have you seen the world and media we live in ..... and you actually think the truth lies with these fuckers .... the truth exists on the fringes ... and that is exactly where those in power want it ....

Backer ...

how much research have you ever done on Zarqawi ? (we actually don't even know his real name by the way, we just use Zarqa because of the city in Jordan we think he might be from).

Have you ever looked into how he met Al Qaeda and how he came to hate America ? Who taught him what he knows (hint starts with a C ends in A) ? For instance we know he was illiterate ?

It is a fact he went to Afghanistan to be trained by the CIA and fight with the Mujahadeen ... after fighting alongside the US as an allie against the "evil" Soviets .... the U.S. betrayed him and tipped off his home nation of Jordan to imprison him upon his return ... the Jordanians then tortured him for 7 years in a Jordanian Prison.

Also there isn't any evidence showing that Zarqawi was ever conencted to Bin Laden for years .... what we do have is a letter that the US military claims is authentic ... and what his own rebels say is a fake. Personally I don't trust either of them ....

However .... The CIA creates our own Zarqawis .... and they'll be many more in the future .... hell they allow us to keep our population in fear ... and allow us to spend billions on war machinery while millions of our own citizens live in shambles.

[center]Also where the fuck is Osama ????[/center]



but then again .... I'm just crazy ....[/b]



[color="#CC0000"]Hail Freedom in Iraq .... [/color]

[Guest BengalBacker]

Don't care. He's dead. I'm American.

[Hooky]

How predictable was it that BJ would turn this into a negative or a hoax. He gobbles up any anti-Bush stuff that CNN spews and then spreads the propaganda as gospel, but when there is victory for America and bad news for the enemy, he lamely tries to come up with a way to dispute it. Now we shouldn't believe everything that CNN says? Make up your mind.

In the first palce, I'm surprised that this American victory was publicized at all.

[Nati Ice]

glad to hear hes dead


and as an interesting sidebar...
zig heil fox news!!!!!!!!!!!!111111
die cnn, die!!!!!!!!!!!!!111

[Hooky]

[quote name='Nati Ice' post='279229' date='Jun 8 2006, 07:45 AM']glad to hear hes dead
and as an interesting sidebar...
zig heil fox news!!!!!!!!!!!!111111
die cnn, die!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
[/quote]

all the news media can go to hell as far as I'm concerned. There should just be one news source that reports what happens and whomever reads it can interpret how they want. There's way too much news media that is competing with each other so they twist and spin and embellish to attract the largest audience, truth be damned. Fox included.

[Die Hard Orange and Black]

[quote name='BengalBacker' post='279213' date='Jun 8 2006, 04:41 AM']I just think you've lost all objectivity. You think I have my head in the sand.

I still think truths usually lie somewhere in the middle of the extremes, and I think it's safe to say that your views are usually pretty extreme.

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[Die Hard Orange and Black]

[quote name='Hooky' post='279217' date='Jun 8 2006, 07:22 AM']How predictable was it that BJ would turn this into a negative or a hoax. He gobbles up any anti-Bush stuff that CNN spews and then spreads the propaganda as gospel, but when there is victory for America and bad news for the enemy, he lamely tries to come up with a way to dispute it. Now we shouldn't believe everything that CNN says? Make up your mind.

In the first palce, I'm surprised that this American victory was publicized at all.[/quote]

[Jason]

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Gotta get bin now!

[Die Hard Orange and Black]

[quote name='Jason' post='279257' date='Jun 8 2006, 09:06 AM']Gotta get bin now![/quote]
Start by looking in BJ's basement.

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[Lawman]

[quote name='Die Hard Orange and Black' post='279260' date='Jun 8 2006, 09:09 AM']Start by looking in BJ's basement.

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