ColorChanginClique Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 [quote name='WhoDeyUK' post='585728' date='Nov 4 2007, 04:28 PM']Yes. In terms of underachieving... yes. Here's my point in a nutshell... If the O scored 35 today, would you have been disappointed with the performance by the D? Holding them to FGs all day? now.... If the D had held them to 19, would you have been happy with the O scoring 14? Fuck, if we had shut them out, would you have been happy with 21-0? Even with the teams TD? I would not have. Our O is supposed to have the talent, and they do NOTHING with it. NOTHING. Both coordinators should be playing golf in 08. Both suck ass.[/quote] Completely agree. I been trying to get this through onyxs thick skull but he just doesn't get it. We all know the defense is garbage, but we expected that to some degree. We also expected to have an elite offense and we're mediocre as fuck. If our offense had lived up to expectations we'd have a couple more wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONYX Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 [quote name='WhoDeyUK' post='585728' date='Nov 4 2007, 04:28 PM']Yes. Here's my point in a nutshell... If the O scored 35 today, would you have been disappointed with the performance by the D? Holding them to FGs all day? now.... If the D had held them to 19, would you have been happy with the O scoring 14? Fuck, if we had shut them out, would you have been happy with 21-0? Even with the teams TD? I would not have. Our O is supposed to have the talent, and they do NOTHING with it. NOTHING. Both coordinators should be playing golf in 08. Both suck ass.[/quote] [color="#FF0000"][b]Do you understand the constant pressure the offense is under because of this defense? Every possession, every drop, every missed opportunity is magnified because once the defense takes the field, in all likley hood they are giving up a score. Look at Carson's numbers, he was virtually perfect early in the game but the Bills were successful in keeping him on the sidelines for the most part. And lets be real, the Bills probably would have been able to match every scoring drive from Palmer and company so they needed to be perfect and they weren't. Now, you can crucify the offense for not being a perfect well tuned scoring machine or you can blame the defense for giving the offense virtually zero room for error. Maybe both. But to say the offense is worse than the defense is a statistical and logical fallacy.[/b][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randle P McMurphy Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 The offense is still ranked in the top half of the league. The defense is where it has been ever since the so called "defensive guru" took over as HC. The offense cant get into any rythmn whatsoever when they only get the ball for what? 11 minutes a half? The offense was on the field for what? 1 fucking series in the 2nd quarter??!! Unless you want to count Carson coming out to take a knee a series. I was thinking that with Henry coming back next week maybe Marvin could take the "kid gloves" off in his treatment with Chad and let him ride the pine for a game til he gets his head screwed back on right but looks like Donte Whitner might've taken care of that himself. Hope the guy is alright but I wont miss his dropped passes. He's put all this pressure on himself and it turns out he cant handle it. At least before he only failed to show up in the "big games" now he's not showing up at all. What is it now? 6 games without a TD reception for Chad? Some want to blame the offense, some want to blame the defense. Doesnt matter because this team blows from top to bottom on boths sides of the ball. Throw special teams in there too if you want too. Im guessing that 80% of the poster's on this site will be eligible for the new "Pink" designation. The ones that dont qualify for it arent being realistic and add nothing but excuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|doogles| Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 [quote name='sneaky' post='585760' date='Nov 4 2007, 04:38 PM'][color="#ff0000"][b]Do you understand the constant pressure the offense is under because of this defense? Every possession, every drop, every missed opportunity is magnified because once the defense takes the field, in all likley hood they are giving up a score. Look at Carson's numbers, he was virtually perfect early in the game but the Bills were successful in keeping him on the sidelines for the most part. And lets be real, the Bills probably would have been able to match every scoring drive from Palmer and company so they needed to be perfect and they weren't. Now, you can crucify the offense for not being a perfect well tuned scoring machine or you can blame the defense for giving the offense virtually zero room for error. Maybe both. But to say the offense is worse than the defense is a statistical and logical fallacy.[/b][/color][/quote] I don't see anyone saying the offense is worse. I say people saying the offense is not producing anywhere near their potential, and that the defense is producing near their potential (which sadly, is not a lot of potential). -jd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steggyD Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 Duh. The offense is not performing as well as they could, but we also don't have all our players on O. However, they are playing well enough to beat 5/6th of the NFL on any given Sunday, if it were not for our horrid defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jungle1 Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 [quote name='ColorChanginClique' post='585548' date='Nov 4 2007, 03:56 PM']I'm glad Chad got layed out. Sorry fuck deserves it for his useless self today[/quote] Are you sure you are a fan? Worst comment I have ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONYX Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 [quote name='doogles' post='585786' date='Nov 4 2007, 04:50 PM']I don't see anyone saying the offense is worse. I say people saying the offense is not producing anywhere near their potential, and that the defense is producing near their potential (which sadly, is not a lot of potential). -jd[/quote] [color="#FF0000"][b]See, I could agree somewhat with that. I think we expected to offense to be a lot better but at the same time our expectations for the defense has regressed to a point that we expect the worst. But WhoDeyUK, didn't say that....he's my buddy but I think he's been sippon on too much English ale if he thinks the offense is worse than the defense.[/b][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bengal Migration| Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 [quote name='sneaky' post='585760' date='Nov 4 2007, 09:38 PM'][color="#FF0000"][b]Do you understand the constant pressure the offense is under because of this defense? Every possession, every drop, every missed opportunity is magnified because once the defense takes the field, in all likley hood they are giving up a score. Look at Carson's numbers, he was virtually perfect early in the game but the Bills were successful in keeping him on the sidelines for the most part. And lets be real, the Bills probably would have been able to match every scoring drive from Palmer and company so they needed to be perfect and they weren't. Now, you can crucify the offense for not being a perfect well tuned scoring machine or you can blame the defense for giving the offense virtually zero room for error. Maybe both. But to say the offense is worse than the defense is a statistical and logical fallacy.[/b][/color][/quote] Sorry. The D, especially in its current condition, has performed about to expectations.... Our O is shit. Or shite as the locals might say. 2 TDs. 2 scores, all game long. Against a shitty ass D? If you want to crucify Bres, I have no issue. But if you wan to apologize for Brat, you are a moron. The O are the greater underachievers, by a longshot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|doogles| Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 [quote name='WhoDeyUK' post='586131' date='Nov 4 2007, 09:19 PM']Sorry. The D, especially in its current condition, has performed about to expectations.... Our O is shit. Or shite as the locals might say. 2 TDs. 2 scores, all game long. Against a shitty ass D? If you want to crucify Bres, I have no issue. But if you wan to apologize for Brat, you are a moron. The O are the greater underachievers, by a longshot.[/quote] Without looking at stats ... It FEELS like they're putting up passing yards, they just can't seem to parlay that in to points. As for the rushing game, I think Lance had a stat on his site: Last 30 Rudi carries, 28 yards. Ouch. -jd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bengal Migration| Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 [quote name='doogles' post='586137' date='Nov 5 2007, 02:26 AM']Without looking at stats ... It FEELS like they're putting up passing yards, they just can't seem to parlay that in to points. As for the rushing game, I think Lance had a stat on his site: Last 30 Rudi carries, 28 yards. Ouch. -jd[/quote] I HATE to say it. Sincerely. But Rudi is done. If he gets any carries next season, each one will be one too many. He's fucking done. The problem with the O is playcalling. Brat had 2-3 great calls tonight. Most of the game was just sos (same ol shit). That does not get it done on Sundays. Let him go back and coordinate games on Saturday when talent is the only decider of victory. He can't do shit in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONYX Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 [quote name='WhoDeyUK' post='586131' date='Nov 4 2007, 09:19 PM']Sorry. The D, especially in its current condition, has performed about to expectations.... Our O is shit. Or shite as the locals might say. 2 TDs. 2 scores, all game long. Against a shitty ass D? If you want to crucify Bres, I have no issue. But if you wan to apologize for Brat, you are a moron. The O are the greater underachievers, by a longshot.[/quote] [color="#FF0000"][b]I am no Brat apologist. I have gone on record saying that Zampese would probably do a better job as OC. But as bad as you think Brat may be, his body of work as OC and the offenses' statistical rankings support him. Brat is no Bill Walsh but compared to Bresnahan he looks like a genius. Yes the O is underachieving but the O has had more injuries than the D and inspite of that, the O still ranks near the top of most offensive categories. That is why Brat is spared my hatred. Now Chucky, thats a whole different story..................... [/b][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bengal Migration| Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 [quote name='sneaky' post='586277' date='Nov 5 2007, 08:23 AM'][color="#FF0000"][b]I am no Brat apologist. I have gone on record saying that Zampese would probably do a better job as OC. But as bad as you think Brat may be, his body of work as OC and the offenses' statistical rankings support him. Brat is no Bill Walsh but compared to Bresnahan he looks like a genius. Yes the O is underachieving but the O has had more injuries than the D and inspite of that, the O still ranks near the top of most offensive categories. That is why Brat is spared my hatred. Now Chucky, thats a whole different story..................... [/b][/color][/quote] The O is where the money is. That is the side of the ball that should be dictating play to the other team. And they don't. Save the top ranking offense BS, too. Top offenses don't go ofer on 3rd down for two weeks. And they don't score a whopping 14 points on the Bills with the season on the line. Can you imagine Indy scoring only 14 on the Bills? At crunch time, when it mattered, the team went 3 and out three times in the 4th quarter. Got 22 yards in total on those three crucial possessions. With the season hanging in the balance. Top ranked offense my ass. Pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONYX Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 [quote name='WhoDeyUK' post='586278' date='Nov 5 2007, 03:33 AM']The O is where the money is. That is the side of the ball that should be dictating play to the other team. And they don't. Save the top ranking offense BS, too. Top offenses don't go ofer on 3rd down for two weeks. And they don't score a whopping 14 points on the Bills with the season on the line. Can you imagine Indy scoring only 14 on the Bills? At crunch time, when it mattered, the team went 3 and out three times in the 4th quarter. Got 22 yards in total on those three crucial possessions. With the season hanging in the balance. Top ranked offense my ass. Pathetic.[/quote] [color="#FF0000"][b]I disagree completely. You can hate Bratkowski and ignore the stats all you want but despite the "underachieving", despite the lack of third down conversions and despite only scoring 14 against the Bills, the Bengals are ranked 8th in total offense. Now you may think thats BS but with those stats, Bratkowsi's job seems pretty secure. And speaking of "crunch time", where was the defense when the season hanging in the balance? JP Losman threw for nearly 300 yards and Lynch sealed the deal with a back breaking long touchdown run thanks in part to shitty tackling. In case anybody is wondering, the Bills were ranked 31st in total offense.[/b][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bengal Migration| Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 [quote name='sneaky' post='586284' date='Nov 5 2007, 09:04 AM'][color="#FF0000"][b]I disagree completely. You can hate Bratkowski and ignore the stats all you want but despite the "underachieving", despite the lack of third down conversions and despite only scoring 14 against the Bills, the Bengals are ranked 8th in total offense. Now you may think thats BS but with those stats, Bratkowsi's job seems pretty secure. [size=4]And speaking of "crunch time", where was the defense when the season hanging in the balance? [/size] JP Losman threw for nearly 300 yards and Lynch sealed the deal with a back breaking long touchdown run thanks in part to shitty tackling. In case anybody is wondering, the Bills were ranked 31st in total offense.[/b][/color][/quote] On the field, because the O was busy going 3 and out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONYX Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 [quote name='WhoDeyUK' post='586285' date='Nov 5 2007, 04:07 AM']On the field, because the O was busy going 3 and out [/quote] [color="#FF0000"][b]Well had they forced punts instead of all those field goals and touchdowns maybe this pathetic offense of ours would have won the game.[/b][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bengal Migration| Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 [quote name='sneaky' post='586286' date='Nov 5 2007, 09:15 AM'][color="#FF0000"][b]Well had they forced punts instead of all those field goals and touchdowns maybe this pathetic offense of ours would have won the game.[/b][/color][/quote] I can't begin to defend our D. They suck balls. There is no question. But the O ain't getting it done either. With the game on the line, they did no better. Though if Chad could catch and run instead of only catching balls while falling down, things might have turned out a bit differently... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonBlade Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Can't you two find a happy middle-ground where you agree that both sides of the ball suck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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