Say we drafted early round CB instead of S, what would you do about S?

[SocalBengalEd]

Jonathan Cyprien is the best combo safety in the draft. I just watched every play of his in the senior bowl and he was always around the ball on every play, and broke up a deep pass over the middle. When they went to single high safety Cyprien did an excellent job covering deep. If Lewis is serious about having interchangeable safetys Cyprien's the guy. After hours of watching videos I have my rankings complete.

1.Cyprien
2. Elam
3. D.J.Swearinger
4. Vacarro
5. Reid.

[Bengals1181]

Jonathan Cyprien is the best combo safety in the draft. I just watched every play of his in the senior bowl and he was always around the ball on every play, and broke up a deep pass over the middle. When they went to single high safety Cyprien did an excellent job covering deep. If Lewis is serious about having interchangeable safetys Cyprien's the guy. After hours of watching videos I have my rankings complete.

1.Cyprien
2. Elam
3. D.J.Swearinger
4. Vacarro
5. Reid.

 

 

problem is, he wasn't nearly as impressive in real games as he was in the exhibition game.

[SocalBengalEd]

problem is, he wasn't nearly as impressive in real games as he was in the exhibition game.

If you go off of game tape DJ Swearinger is the guy then. From Chad, Tomlinson, to Atkins and Dockett guys that stand out during senior bowl week succeed in the NFL and this year one of those guys is Cyprien.

[Elijah15]

Do NOT draft a fucking corner in round 1

[alleycat]

 

 

problem is, he wasn't nearly as impressive in real games as he was in the exhibition game.

My problem with him as well. His tape was pretty bad. Who knows, maybe the guy just needed some halfway decent coaching, but I'm definitely in the minority with Cyprien - certainly as a 1st rounder.

[SocalBengalEd]

My problem with him as well. His tape was pretty bad. Who knows, maybe the guy just needed some halfway decent coaching, but I'm definitely in the minority with Cyprien - certainly as a 1st rounder.

Just curious but which game did u watch of his. Dude was a beast vs Louisville. Ill go back and watch the video of his game.

[alleycat]

Just curious but which game did u watch of his. Dude was a beast vs Louisville. Ill go back and watch the video of his game.

I don't remember exactly.  I watched several games that had every one of his snaps, though I don't remember Louisville particularly.

[Phatcat]

joshua wertz ‏@jwreds1129 34m

@joereedy Marvin said he doesn't want a short muscular safety, or something close to that. Think he might be referring to Elam?

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Joe Reedy ‏@joereedy 33m

@jwreds1129 They've got a couple safeties rated ahead of him

[starkesn]

I don't see why you couldn't take a corner in the first and still take a safety early as well. You could still grab a OT, S, & RB in the first 3 rounds and fill all of your major holes even if you take a corner in the 1st.

[starkesn]

Just for shits and giggles, here's a very plausible scenario if we do take DJ Hayden in the 1st.

 

1st - DJ Hayden, CB

2nd - Menelik Watson, OT

2nd - DJ Swearinger, S

3rd - Christian Michael, RB

[SocalBengalEd]

Just for shits and giggles, here's a very plausible scenario if we do take DJ Hayden in the 1st.
 
1st - DJ Hayden, CB
2nd - Menelik Watson, OT
2nd - DJ Swearinger, S
3rd - Christian Michael, RB

Sorry but if we take Watson before round 3 I'm going to be pissed.

[starkesn]

Sorry but if we take Watson before round 3 I'm going to be pissed.

Why would you say that? He's raw, but extremely talented. I wouldn't mind it at all personally, but to each their own. But regardless, my point was that I think it's probable we could take both a safety and corner early and still fill other needs very easily.

[EnglishBengal]

 

Joe Reedy ‏@joereedy 33m

@jwreds1129 They've got a couple safeties rated ahead of him

 

 

If this is true, then I'm guessing....

 

1. Vacarro

2. Cyprien or Reid (though my money is on Cyprien as their 2nd ranked safety)

[akiliMVP]

I have a really hard time justifying another first round corner. Next season maybe to replace Newman as the 4th CB. But there's absolutely no reason for the 2013 season.

Hall is a stud, Jones is a stud, Kirkpatrick is going to be a stud, Newman is an ex-stud now solid vet, Ghee and Prater battle it out for the 5th spot.

[Bengals1181]

Can't honestly make up my mind about Cyprien. I either like him or I dont.

 

 

I was disappointed re-watching him the other day.  He's got the stellar INT against Louisville, but he also had 4 missed tackles, a personal foul penalty, and gave up a TD in that game.  Also watched the Duke game and he missed 3-4 tackles.  Likely the two best teams he's played (certainly the two best there's tape out there for).  

 

 

He was a nobody before the Senior Bowl.  Played well in the game but wasn't great in man coverage in the practices.  Most all of the top guys view him as a 2nd rounder.  It's mainly the "internet scout" hyping him up in the first round and I've seen him as high as 14 at one point.  Greg Cosell is just about the only top guy to give him first round love.  

 

 

I just don't think there's enough out there to put him in the first round.  The coaches who have access to all his games obviously may feel differently.

[Bengals1181]

 

joshua wertz ‏@jwreds1129 34m

@joereedy Marvin said he doesn't want a short muscular safety, or something close to that. Think he might be referring to Elam?

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Joe Reedy ‏@joereedy 33m

@jwreds1129 They've got a couple safeties rated ahead of him

 

 

 

I find it very hard to believe they'd even remotely give Joe Reedy any info on their draft plans.

[EnglishBengal]

 

 

I find it very hard to believe they'd even remotely give Joe Reedy any info on their draft plans.

So you could say Reedy is choking on the smokescreen.

 

Also 1181, question for you - who do you think is better out of Reid and Cyprien?

[texbengal]

 

 

I was disappointed re-watching him the other day.  He's got the stellar INT against Louisville, but he also had 4 missed tackles, a personal foul penalty, and gave up a TD in that game.  Also watched the Duke game and he missed 3-4 tackles.  Likely the two best teams he's played (certainly the two best there's tape out there for).  

 

 

He was a nobody before the Senior Bowl.  Played well in the game but wasn't great in man coverage in the practices.  Most all of the top guys view him as a 2nd rounder.  It's mainly the "internet scout" hyping him up in the first round and I've seen him as high as 14 at one point.  Greg Cosell is just about the only top guy to give him first round love.  

 

 

I just don't think there's enough out there to put him in the first round.  The coaches who have access to all his games obviously may feel differently.

 

 

We have no idea how teams/scouts feel, as you stated since they have other tape, access to coaches, interviews/visits, etc. - plus "fit" is something they look at as well. Yes, the talking heads didn't know about Cyprien, etc. (assuming that's what you mean by "top guys"), but that's typical - especially when you play at a smaller school. It's only after the all-star games, Pro Days, talking heads talking with scouts, etc. where these other guys show up in the rankings. 

 

The talking heads will be wrong on a bunch of guys, as it happens every year - just as later on, teams are proven wrong on some of their evaluations . There are injury reports and knucklehead reports/background checks that they have access to that non-NFL folks don't, and of course that is factored in, too. 

[dex]

The Bengals put so much value on height. I could totally see them with Vaccaro and Reid both rated higher than the 5-10 Elam. In fact, I wouldn't be shocked in the slightest if the 6-1 Reid got drafted here at 21. The Bengals also put a lot of stock in players from powerhouse programs. Several years ago they drafted a guy high from Coastal Carolina, and I think that's one they would like to have back.

[SocalBengalEd]

I was disappointed re-watching him the other day.  He's got the stellar INT against Louisville, but he also had 4 missed tackles, a personal foul penalty, and gave up a TD in that game.  Also watched the Duke game and he missed 3-4 tackles.  Likely the two best teams he's played (certainly the two best there's tape out there for).  
 
 
He was a nobody before the Senior Bowl.  Played well in the game but wasn't great in man coverage in the practices.  Most all of the top guys view him as a 2nd rounder.  It's mainly the "internet scout" hyping him up in the first round and I've seen him as high as 14 at one point.  Greg Cosell is just about the only top guy to give him first round love.  
 
 
I just don't think there's enough out there to put him in the first round.  The coaches who have access to all his games obviously may feel differently.

Remember Demarcos Ware came from a small school and was a "Nobody" before the senior bowl. Ware much like Cyprien proved they belong with the big boys so it shouldn't shock anyone if the Cowboys draft Cyprien , because they are reportedly high on him.

[|Bunghole|]

 

 

I think there needs to be one more option:  

 

uses a 3 CB, 1 S base.   Something Zimmer has long hinted and toyed with the idea of.

They were essentially doing that last year with Clements.

[Bengals1181]

So you could say Reedy is choking on the smokescreen.
 
Also 1181, question for you - who do you think is better out of Reid and Cyprien?

I think Reid is much more pro ready.

[EnglishBengal]

After watching clips of Cyprien, Reid, Elam, Swearinger my rankings are:

T1. Vacarro / Cyprien
2. Elam
3. Swearinger
4. Reid

[Oldcat]

Why would you say that? He's raw, but extremely talented. I wouldn't mind it at all personally, but to each their own. But regardless, my point was that I think it's probable we could take both a safety and corner early and still fill other needs very easily.

 

Round 2 is a bit high for a project.  Especially for one that won't even see the field somehow until he's fully ready.

[|westside bengal|]

I really don't care if he is called a linebacker, safety or cornerback...just give me the best play maker available.  My guess they are going to see a lot more multi-receiver sets including TE's and RB's.  Offense's might not be true spread offenses but at a minimum be using some "spread" principles including running the ball out of the shotgun.

 

The elite QB's are the one's who are controlling the line of scrimmage with audibles and creating mismatches with their ability to read defenses.

 

With defenses needing to hide their schemes from their opponents having these hybrid defenders certainly helps.  The defenders might not be superior in anything.  Its being able to do it all that is the key.