happyrid Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 [quote name='oldschooler' post='750063' date='Feb 27 2009, 09:56 AM']So your ID means you rid yourself of happiness? Seriously though. The Bengals don't need to set up a meeting to guage the market. Brown wants to be paid like one of the elite Guards in the NFL. Which is about $7-8 million per season.[/quote] Man if 7 million is all it takes to solidify the most underratedly important position on the field for the foreseeable future, I'd jump all over it. Especially since we have to play Haloti Ngata, Casey Hampton and Shaun Rogers 6 times every year. And for the whole Marvin Lewis era, I had been the most positive Bengals fan around. The management moves over the past year or two have been so frustrating though that I definitely have lost faith recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 [quote name='happyrid' post='750078' date='Feb 27 2009, 08:13 AM']Man if 7 million is all it takes to solidify the most underratedly important position on the field for the foreseeable future, I'd jump all over it. Especially since we have to play Haloti Ngata, Casey Hampton and Shaun Rogers 6 times every year.[/quote] No, it would take that much a year. So it isn't just $7 million. And I would have rather thrown that money at Steinbach, who could have played any position along the O-line. [quote]And for the whole Marvin Lewis era, I had been the most positive Bengals fan around. The management moves over the past year or two have been so frustrating though that I definitely have lost faith recently.[/quote] What moves where made in management recently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 [quote name='oldschooler' post='750063' date='Feb 27 2009, 08:56 AM']So your ID means you rid yourself of happiness? Seriously though. The Bengals don't need to set up a meeting to guage the market. Brown wants to be paid like one of the elite Guards in the NFL. Which is about $7-8 million per season. Thank you Miss Cleo.[/quote] That bitch doesnt have shit on me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 [quote name='Ben' post='750089' date='Feb 27 2009, 08:25 AM']That bitch doesnt have shit on me![/quote] I don't know. At least she sees some positives in the future. You? Not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 Years of being a Bengals fan have beaten down my expectations. I don't expect any major signings in FA. There was a piece in the Columbus Dispatch that mentioned the team wants to do contract extensions with Joseph and Hall before the season starts so that might be where the money goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scharm Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 [quote name='BENGALS666' post='749948' date='Feb 27 2009, 12:09 AM']Not exactly what "jump the shark" means.. but these folks exist on every team forum in the league and we probably collectively handle it better than the others via sheer experience.[/quote] I believe it refers to the Happy Day episode when Fronzie jumps a great white on water ski. Basically the show was all down hill from there. Did he wear the leather jacket? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 [quote name='oldschooler' post='750093' date='Feb 27 2009, 09:28 AM']I don't know. At least she sees some positives in the future. You? Not so much. [/quote] I think i would be happy if all we signed is a veteran center Not sure who is out there though. I have been staying away from all things nfl since the superbowl debacle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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scharm Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 Fuckiin Cunningham almost rams the boat in the pier. That shark was hungry, peta would never let anything like that happen today that's why TV sucks today, fucking tree huggers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USN Bengal Posted February 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 [quote name='Bengals1181' post='750067' date='Feb 27 2009, 09:00 AM']I think tp has already won...though I'm waiting for a full blow tirade from someone.[/quote] I have a sneaking suspicion that I know who you are referring to....LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyrid Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 [quote name='oldschooler' post='750083' date='Feb 27 2009, 10:18 AM']No, it would take that much a year. So it isn't just $7 million. And I would have rather thrown that money at Steinbach, who could have played any position along the O-line. What moves where made in management recently?[/quote] I know its 7 million a year. I think that is fine for a center, especially in a rugged division like ours where it is an even more important position. As far as the management moves, I was talking about the moves made by management and you indirectly point one out. The decision to resign Willie and Levi to big money while letting Eric Steinbach leave in free agency. Other management moves that have pissed me off have been not trading Chad for two first rounders last year, undermining Marvin's authority by bringing back Henry against his wishes, and not doing anything to convert last year's unused cap space into this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scales Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 Won't we get a draft pick for T.J? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scales Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 [quote name='happyrid' post='750105' date='Feb 27 2009, 09:44 AM']As far as the management moves, I was talking about the moves made by management and you indirectly point one out. The decision to resign Willie and Levi to big money while letting Eric Steinbach leave in free agency. Other management moves that have pissed me off have been not trading Chad for two first rounders last year, undermining Marvin's authority by bringing back Henry against his wishes, and not doing anything to convert last year's unused cap space into this year.[/quote] I wanted Henry back though... Just hold on to your hope lads, its bound to change someday. It's got to! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 [quote name='USN Bengal' post='750104' date='Feb 27 2009, 09:44 AM']I have a sneaking suspicion that I know who you are referring to....LOL![/quote] ha well I wasn't referring to anyone specific, but I can think of some names... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 [quote name='The Scales' post='750106' date='Feb 27 2009, 09:44 AM'] Won't we get a draft pick for T.J?[/quote] we'll get a comp pick next year in all likelihood, but nothing in this year's draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 [quote name='happyrid' post='750105' date='Feb 27 2009, 08:44 AM']I know its 7 million a year. I think that is fine for a center, especially in a rugged division like ours where it is an even more important position.[/quote] I don't think it is fine. Centers are paid less than Guards. That is their worth in the NFL. And that $7 million would easily make him the highest paid Center in the NFL. And he has only layed the position for 1 season. [quote]As far as the management moves, I was talking about the moves made by management and you indirectly point one out. The decision to resign Willie and Levi to big money while letting Eric Steinbach leave in free agency. Other management moves that have pissed me off have been not trading Chad for two first rounders last year, undermining Marvin's authority by bringing back Henry against his wishes, and not doing anything to convert last year's unused cap space into this year.[/quote] When Willie and Levi were re-signed, they were healthy. They let Steinbach go because they had already invested a ton into their O-line, and they weren't going to pay Steinbach that kind of money. Plus, they had Whitworth waiting in the wings. The only bad thing about bringin Henry back was Marvin making his opinion public. And if Henry does turn things around, it will have been a great move. I can understand them not trading Chad. They had already paid him over half on his contract, and he had only played 2 seasons of it. Plus they basically would have been paying him to play for someone else. Plus, draft picks are unproven. And to convert the cap money, they would have had to put it into player's contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 [quote name='Bengals1181' post='750131' date='Feb 27 2009, 09:57 AM']we'll get a comp pick next year in all likelihood, but nothing in this year's draft.[/quote] Probably we'll get a comp pick but that would require us to be relatively inactive in FA. If we sign more qualified FAs than we lose, we won't get any comp picks. If we sign someone to a deal in the same tier as TJ, we won't get a comp pick for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 [quote name='sparky151' post='750149' date='Feb 27 2009, 10:08 AM']Probably we'll get a comp pick but that would require us to be relatively inactive in FA. If we sign more qualified FAs than we lose, we won't get any comp picks. If we sign someone to a deal in the same tier as TJ, we won't get a comp pick for him.[/quote] I think we'll be alright. Stacey got a big deal, and TJ will too. Whoever we sign will off-set one of them. Us re-signing Benson (which is a good chance) won't effect the equation at all since he's our guy, and he'll be one of the bigger names we sign if we do. Its very unlikely anyone we sign will get deals as big as TJ or Stacey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 [quote name='sparky151' post='750149' date='Feb 27 2009, 09:08 AM']Probably we'll get a comp pick but that would require us to be relatively inactive in FA. If we sign more qualified FAs than we lose, we won't get any comp picks. If we sign someone to a deal in the same tier as TJ, we won't get a comp pick for him.[/quote] If TJ signs elsewhere, and with Stacy signing the contract he just did, you can gurangoddamntee we will be getting a high comp pick next season, regardless if we sign a deal to someone in the same tier or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 [quote name='oldschooler' post='750155' date='Feb 27 2009, 10:16 AM']If TJ signs elsewhere, and with Stacy signing the contract he just did, you can gurangoddamntee we will be getting a high comp pick next season, regardless if we sign a deal to someone in the same tier or not.[/quote] The rules on comp picks don't require a team to get compensated for losing better players than it signs, just for losing more players. Let's say TJ and Stacy sign elsewhere. We bring back Benson, Crocker, Jeanty, Johnson, and add Grove, Kelley Washington, and Leonard Weaver. In that situation, the Bengals would get no comp picks. Suppose instead we sign Bart Scott or someone with a similar deal to TJs. They would cancel each other out and we could get a comp pick for Stacy's deal. The catch is that his deal is probably backloaded because of his injury and the value in 2009 isn't that high. In which case it might be a 5th or 6th round pick. We should have just tagged and traded TJ instead of hoping for comp picks. Players who were cut for cap reasons don't count in the comp pick formula so we could add any of them without affecting our possible future picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 [quote name='sparky151' post='750166' date='Feb 27 2009, 09:28 AM']The rules on comp picks don't require a team to get compensated for losing better players than it signs, just for losing more players. Let's say TJ and Stacy sign elsewhere. We bring back Benson, Crocker, Jeanty, Johnson, and add Grove, Kelley Washington, and Leonard Weaver. In that situation, the Bengals would get no comp picks. Suppose instead we sign Bart Scott or someone with a similar deal to TJs. They would cancel each other out and we could get a comp pick for Stacy's deal. The catch is that his deal is probably backloaded because of his injury and the value in 2009 isn't that high. In which case it might be a 5th or 6th round pick. We should have just tagged and traded TJ instead of hoping for comp picks. Players who were cut for cap reasons don't count in the comp pick formula so we could add any of them without affecting our possible future picks.[/quote] I know how it works. So really, you wasted your time. Because I already knew, and what you said had nothing to do with what I said. Also, I disagree that they should have tagged TJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBear Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 [quote name='The Scales' post='750111' date='Feb 27 2009, 09:48 AM']I wanted Henry back though... Just hold on to your hope lads, its bound to change someday. It's got to![/quote] Since Mike Brown is older than I am, my only hope is to outlive him, and see a new day dawning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 [quote name='oldschooler' post='750169' date='Feb 27 2009, 10:31 AM']I know how it works. So really, you wasted your time. Because I already knew, and what you said had nothing to do with what I said.[/quote] If you know how it works, how are you able to guarantee the Bengals will get a high comp pick? Are you that confident the Bengals won't sign anyone from another team? I don't think it's likely but will admit the possibility exists that they sign someone to a big contract, similar to TJ's. If we sign someone to a contract in the same tier as TJ, we won't get a comp pick for him. We don't know the structure of Stacy's deal yet so how are you guaranteeing a high pick for him? [quote name='oldschooler' post='750169' date='Feb 27 2009, 10:31 AM']Also, I disagree that they should have tagged TJ.[/quote] Fair enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoDeyBabe Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 Not sure the originator of this thread understands the meaning of the phrase, "jump the shark." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 [quote name='sparky151' post='750184' date='Feb 27 2009, 10:13 AM']If you know how it works, how are you able to guarantee the Bengals will get a high comp pick? Are you that confident the Bengals won't sign anyone from another team? I don't think it's likely but will admit the possibility exists that they sign someone to a big contract, similar to TJ's. If we sign someone to a contract in the same tier as TJ, we won't get a comp pick for him. We don't know the structure of Stacy's deal yet so how are you guaranteeing a high pick for him.[/quote] I think you should re-read my post again. [quote name='oldschooler' post='750155' date='Feb 27 2009, 09:16 AM']If TJ signs elsewhere, and with Stacy signing the contract he just did, you can gurangoddamntee we will be getting a high comp pick next season, regardless if we sign a deal to someone in the same tier or not.[/quote] Obviously I am counting the Bengals losing the 2 players, and the Bengals signing one player. So that would result in a high comp pick, would it not? And it was reported Stacy signed a multi-year deal worth about $7 million per year. That is enough for me to know that that is a top tier signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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