Who is it gonna be?

Im not really sure where I stand on this. I think Bailey has more upside, and its starting to look like hes ready. Hes only 22 and had some of the best stuff in the minors when he was playing well. I think if he comes in and begins to show his potential we could have 3 of the best young pitchers in baseball. I also think that it would be a HUGE confidence booster for Homer to make the rotation out of spring training, and owings (being older and more mature) would be able to handle the relief role better and when he inevitably needs to come in and start he'll be ready.

Ideally, whether this year or next year, our starting 5 will be Harang, Volquez, Cueto, Bailey and Owings, unless bronson turns things around.

[quote name='CJandRudiJ' post='760457' date='Apr 1 2009, 08:47 PM']Who is it gonna be?

Im not really sure where I stand on this. I think Bailey has more upside, and its starting to look like hes ready. Hes only 22 and had some of the best stuff in the minors when he was playing well. I think if he comes in and begins to show his potential we could have 3 of the best young pitchers in baseball. I also think that it would be a HUGE confidence booster for Homer to make the rotation out of spring training, and owings (being older and more mature) would be able to handle the relief role better and when he inevitably needs to come in and start he'll be ready.

Ideally, whether this year or next year, our starting 5 will be Harang, Volquez, Cueto, Bailey and Owings, unless bronson turns things around.[/quote]


Yeah, Bailey definitely seems to have his head screwed on straight this year. I hope he makes it.

I also agree that Owings would probably perform better out of the Pen than Bailey would...

I just hope that if Bronson doesn't straighten it out that money doesn't decide who the starters are.

i think u start bailey. put owings in the bullpen and let him hit some.

also i hope the rumors of bronson for gary matthews jr are true.

What about the Sheff and Pedro rumors?

[quote name='ThurmanMunster' post='760485' date='Apr 1 2009, 09:54 PM']also i hope the rumors of bronson for gary matthews jr are true.[/quote]


It was Harang:

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[quote]The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, though, would like to pry Harang away from the Reds and they’d like to send them outfielder Gary Matthews Jr.

Deal or no deal?

Just remember, one of manager Dusty Baker’s closest friends is Gary “Sarge” Matthews Sr.[/quote]

[quote name='Elflocko' post='760512' date='Apr 1 2009, 11:22 PM']It was Harang:

[url="http://www.daytondailynews.com/o/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/cincinnatireds/entries/2009/04/01/oh_sadness_made_my_last.html"]http://www.daytondailynews.com/o/content/s...de_my_last.html[/url][/quote]


it was both. i heard the arroyo rumor had legs though.

I hope we don't trade for Gary Matthews. His contract is big and his production doesn't match it.


I'd rather stick with the combination of Bruce, Taveras, Dickerson, and Gomes. I think that can give the Reds just as much production as adding Matthews would. Taveras and Dickerson should be plus fielders, which will be a nice change of pace compared to what we've seen the past few years from Dunn in particular.


As far as Bailey vs. Owings, I'd rather send Bailey down and begin the year with Owings. If Owings or Bronson fail to produce, Bailey can come up by May.


Is the bullpen completely settled at this point? I've got five spots set in stone (Cordero, Weathers, Burton, Rhodes, Lincoln) and the sixth spot will likely be a left hander (Bray or Herrera). Is there any chance they put Owings in the bullpen and keep 7 relievers or only one lefthander with six relievers?

[quote name='ThurmanMunster' post='760516' date='Apr 1 2009, 11:28 PM']it was both. i heard the arroyo rumor had legs though.[/quote]


Fair enough. I hadn't heard that one.

Have a print source or did you hear that on the radio out there?

My sources are a bit limited...

I choose Owings as the starter. I have seen Owings pitch 3 times this Spring and he doesn't disappoint. Bailey has been on the money, too, but doesn't his history weigh in as a factor on being a consistent starter? I say put Bailey in the bullpen and use him as a stater only if there is an injury to one of the other 5.

[quote name='ThurmanMunster' post='760479' date='Apr 1 2009, 10:51 PM']i think u start bailey. put owings in the bullpen and let him hit some.[/quote]

thats assinine... Bailey doesnt deserve to wear the Reds uniform until he can show some consistency...

[quote name='Inigo Montoya' post='760523' date='Apr 1 2009, 11:40 PM']I hope we don't trade for Gary Matthews. His contract is big and his production doesn't match it.


I'd rather stick with the combination of Bruce, Taveras, Dickerson, and Gomes. I think that can give the Reds just as much production as adding Matthews would. Taveras and Dickerson should be plus fielders, which will be a nice change of pace compared to what we've seen the past few years from Dunn in particular.


As far as Bailey vs. Owings, I'd rather send Bailey down and begin the year with Owings. If Owings or Bronson fail to produce, Bailey can come up by May.


Is the bullpen completely settled at this point? I've got five spots set in stone (Cordero, Weathers, Burton, Rhodes, Lincoln) and the sixth spot will likely be a left hander (Bray or Herrera). Is there any chance they put Owings in the bullpen and keep 7 relievers or only one lefthander with six relievers?[/quote]


id rather have gary matthews getting paid than bronson arroyo.

massett has to be a lock to make the team. he doesnt have options left and he is a good pitcher.

[quote name='The Entertainer' post='760567' date='Apr 2 2009, 07:40 AM']I choose Owings as the starter. I have seen Owings pitch 3 times this Spring and he doesn't disappoint. Bailey has been on the money, too, but doesn't his history weigh in as a factor on being a consistent starter? I say put Bailey in the bullpen and use him as a stater only if there is an injury to one of the other 5.[/quote]

history doesnt weigh in the favor of owings either. in fact owings history was so bad that he was going to be moved to an OF if he didnt get traded lol. the bullshit is that both owings and bailey are FAR more deserving than arroyo but they dont get paid like him.


owings is going to get the spot. but imo Bailey is more deserving.

[quote name='claptonrocks' post='760819' date='Apr 2 2009, 08:28 PM']thats assinine... Bailey doesnt deserve to wear the Reds uniform until he can show some consistency...[/quote]

really? what consistency has owings shown? Such consistency that he was going to be moved from SP to OF in Arizona? thats a fucking asinine statement you just made.


Baileys problem was 1) ego 2) injury. Bailey is healthy and he is maturing and doing what he NEEDS to do rather than thinking he just deserves it.

On Bailey maturing... I was extremely pleased to read this comment from him:

(On the tough competition for the final spot)

“That’s kind of what I had planned on at the beginning of this spring,” Bailey said Thursday. “Now it’s just kind of an unfortunate waiting game and just see what happens. But that’s good. That means other guys are doing well, too. So that’s good for everybody.”

If you would've told me Bailey said that last year, I would've thought Hal McGoo heard someone else talking and misquoted the source. Bailey has pedigree and potential that Owings lacks, and I fear sending him down or to the pen when he's doing everything right would send him the wrong signal.

[quote name='Go Tory Go!' post='760867' date='Apr 2 2009, 10:25 PM']On Bailey maturing... I was extremely pleased to read this comment from him:

(On the tough competition for the final spot)

“That’s kind of what I had planned on at the beginning of this spring,” Bailey said Thursday. “Now it’s just kind of an unfortunate waiting game and just see what happens. But that’s good. That means other guys are doing well, too. So that’s good for everybody.”

If you would've told me Bailey said that last year, I would've thought Hal McGoo heard someone else talking and misquoted the source. Bailey has pedigree and potential that Owings lacks, and I fear sending him down or to the pen when he's doing everything right would send him the wrong signal.[/quote]


great post.