-GoBengals- Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 [quote name='Bunghole' date='25 November 2009 - 10:19 PM' timestamp='1259201962' post='833171'] Are you defending....the Midwest and Cincinnati? [/quote] you know better... this place sucks.... even more now i want out of here.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 [quote name='GoBengals' date='25 November 2009 - 09:22 PM' timestamp='1259202135' post='833172'] you know better... this place sucks.... even more now i want out of here.... [/quote] I hear Oakland has some available loft apartments near the stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrengthOfFates Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 [quote name='fredtoast' date='25 November 2009 - 03:34 PM' timestamp='1259177676' post='833101'] Yeah, damn them for defending the Constitution. The Bill of Rights will destroy this great land. [/quote] Yeah! I mean really! Protecting the "rights" of card carrying child fuckers and banishing Boy Scouts from public parks. Thank god for the good ol' ACLU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Elflocko| Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 [quote name='StrengthOfFates' date='25 November 2009 - 07:31 PM' timestamp='1259202676' post='833175'] Yeah! I mean really! Protecting the "rights" of card carrying child fuckers and banishing Boy Scouts from public parks. Thank god for the good ol' ACLU. [/quote] Stop listening to Rush & Hannity and try researching something on your own for fuck's sake... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrengthOfFates Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 [quote name='Elflocko' date='25 November 2009 - 10:37 PM' timestamp='1259203067' post='833176'] Stop listening to Rush & Hannity and try researching something on your own for fuck's sake... [/quote] Considering I cannot stand either of those fucks, you're a moron. By the way, you should take your own advice. Those are real cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Elflocko| Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 [quote name='StrengthOfFates' date='25 November 2009 - 07:51 PM' timestamp='1259203869' post='833178'] Considering I cannot stand either of those fucks, you're a moron. By the way, you should take your own advice. Those are real cases. [/quote] You're an ignorant twat who doesn't deserve the Constitutional protections you have... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrengthOfFates Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 [quote name='Elflocko' date='25 November 2009 - 10:54 PM' timestamp='1259204056' post='833179'] You're an ignorant twat who doesn't deserve the Constitutional protections you have... [/quote] OOOOOOOO!! Hows about you lift your knuckles from the floor, take a deep breath (through your nose... for a change) and put some effort into ... hmm... not.. sounding like a blithering imbecile. Tell me Che, why does my statement make me a "ignorant twat". Did the ACLU not represent an organization who advocates the rape of children? I think it's hilarious that you act as if the ACLU is the last line of defense against an Orwellian meltdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-GoBengals- Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 [quote name='StrengthOfFates' date='25 November 2009 - 10:51 PM' timestamp='1259203869' post='833178'] Considering I cannot stand either of those fucks, you're a moron. By the way, you should take your own advice.[b] Those are real cases.[/b] [/quote] that you made up? the only instance involving the boy scouts is ending a lease that gave them exclusive use of some park land. they are welcome to go there, as is the rest of the general public. [quote]The City has given the Scouts nearly seventy years of exclusive use of 18 acres of prime park property in city-owned Balboa Park for $1 per year and free use of an aquatic facility on city-owned Fiesta Island in Mission Bay through preferential leases. The Balboa Park lease also contains a provision that terminates the lease if any court issues a final judgment finding the lease illegal.[/quote] the scouts could sign a reasonable lease, also. and its pretty clear they knew it was a shifty lease stating it terminates if anyone raises a stink. and defending the first amendment regardless of how disgusting and disturbing doesnt mean they are support man-boy love...and its kind of foolish to assume so. some dudes kidnapped and raped a boy, they are read nambla publishing along with many others, and killed the kid, and parents went after nambla, and ACLU defended their First Amendment right. they arent supporting that the act was ok, they arent supporting the criminals who kidnapped the kid.....just anyones right to [i]say[/i] whatever they want...its pretty straight forward... just because you only want to use the first amendments to your own personal liking doesnt mean they have done anything wrong. [quote]"Regardless of whether people agree with or abhor NAMBLA's views, holding the organization responsible for crimes committed by others who read their materials would gravely endanger important First Amendment freedoms."[/quote] [quote]It is easy to defend freedom of speech when the message is something many people find at least reasonable. But the defense of freedom of speech is most critical when the message is one most people find repulsive. That was true when the Nazis marched in Skokie. It remains true today.[/quote] this isnt complicated, and its pretty clear you could care less about the reality as long as you get to bitch about something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumble In the Jungle Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 i smell PWNEGE in this thread !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Elflocko| Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 [quote name='StrengthOfFates' date='25 November 2009 - 08:15 PM' timestamp='1259205310' post='833181'] OOOOOOOO!! Hows about you lift your knuckles from the floor, take a deep breath (through your nose... for a change) and put some effort into ... hmm... not.. sounding like a blithering imbecile. Tell me Che, why does my statement make me a "ignorant twat". Did the ACLU not represent an organization who advocates the rape of children? I think it's hilarious that you act as if the ACLU is the last line of defense against an Orwellian meltdown. [/quote] "Knuckle Dragging". How quaint. Research the case instead of regurgitating 12th hand reactionary FUD. They even have a statement about that case on their site... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Move to J&D just so Go can have posted some ownage in said forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrengthOfFates Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 [quote name='GoBengals' date='25 November 2009 - 11:39 PM' timestamp='1259206757' post='833183'] that you made up? the only instance involving the boy scouts is ending a lease that gave them exclusive use of some park land. they are welcome to go there, as is the rest of the general public. the scouts could sign a reasonable lease, also. and its pretty clear they knew it was a shifty lease stating it terminates if anyone raises a stink. [/quote] The lease gave them exclusive use but they did not bar other groups from using the land. Do you know how much money they saved the city in maintenance costs alone? It doesn't matter. It was a petty suit designed to "stick it" to the Boy Scouts because of what they believe in. [quote] and defending the first amendment regardless of how disgusting and disturbing doesnt mean they are support man-boy love...and its kind of foolish to assume so. some dudes kidnapped and raped a boy, they are read nambla publishing along with many others, and killed the kid, and parents went after nambla, and ACLU defended their First Amendment right. they arent supporting that the act was ok, they arent supporting the criminals who kidnapped the kid.....just anyones right to [i]say[/i] whatever they want...its pretty straight forward... just because you only want to use the first amendments to your own personal liking doesnt mean they have done anything wrong. [/quote] Ah, I see...so the term "Imminent lawless action" means nothing to you? [quote] this isnt complicated, and its pretty clear you could care less about the reality as long as you get to bitch about something. [/quote] Yeah, it's pretty clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrengthOfFates Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 [quote name='Elflocko' date='25 November 2009 - 11:42 PM' timestamp='1259206964' post='833185'] "Knuckle Dragging". How quaint. Research the case instead of regurgitating 12th hand reactionary FUD. They even have a statement about that case on their site... [/quote] Quaint? Nah. More like an accurate assessment of your first reply. Aren't you cute, a statement, from the ACLU... [quote] FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE NEW YORK--In the United States Supreme Court over the past few years, the American Civil Liberties Union has taken the side of a fundamentalist Christian church, a Santerian church, and the International Society for Krishna Consciousness. In celebrated cases, the ACLU has stood up for everyone from Oliver North to the National Socialist Party. In spite of all that, the ACLU has never advocated Christianity, ritual animal sacrifice, trading arms for hostages or genocide. In representing NAMBLA today, our Massachusetts affiliate does not advocate sexual relationships between adults and children. What the ACLU does advocate is robust freedom of speech for everyone. The lawsuit involved here, were it to succeed, would strike at the heart of freedom of speech. [b]The case is based on a shocking murder. But the lawsuit says the crime is the responsibility not of those who committed the murder, but of someone who posted vile material on the Internet.[/b] The principle is as simple as it is central to true freedom of speech: those who do wrong are responsible for what they do; those who speak about it are not. It is easy to defend freedom of speech when the message is something many people find at least reasonable. But the defense of freedom of speech is most critical when the message is one most people find repulsive. That was true when the Nazis marched in Skokie. It remains true today" [/quote] Note the bolded text. First of all, they mislead the reader by trying to infer that the suit claims that NAMBLA is solely responsible for a murder. That's bullshit. The suit charges that the literature and other material and resources provided by NAMBLA incited the perpetrators. http://www.thecpac.com/Curleys-v-NAMBLA.html What was their defense? The first amendment? Bullshit. They got the case dismissed on a fucking technicality. EDIT: By the way, you telling me to "research the case" and then referring me to a resource as impartial as the ACLU's own statement tells me all I need to know about where this argument is going. Don't worry though, maybe Go will come to your rescue again with a post containing signs of intelligent thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Elflocko| Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 [quote name='StrengthOfFates' date='25 November 2009 - 09:55 PM' timestamp='1259211312' post='833191'] Quaint? Nah. More like an accurate assessment of your first reply. Aren't you cute, a statement, from the ACLU... Note the bolded text. First of all, they mislead the reader by trying to infer that the suit claims that NAMBLA is solely responsible for a murder. That's bullshit. The suit charges that the literature and other material and resources provided by NAMBLA incited the perpetrators. http://www.thecpac.com/Curleys-v-NAMBLA.html What was their defense? The first amendment? Bullshit. They got the case dismissed on a fucking technicality. EDIT: By the way, you telling me to "research the case" and then referring me to a resource as impartial as the ACLU's own statement tells me all I need to know about where this argument is going. Don't worry though, maybe Go will come to your rescue again with a post containing signs of intelligent thought. [/quote] Yet again you misunderstand the case they took on. Someone states on a message board "Someone should give Hines Ward a chainsaw enema for rampant douchbaggery". You carry out said statement by giving mister Ward a chainsaw enema. By [b]your[/b] logic the person who stated the desire to give Mr. Ward the chainsaw enema should be locked away and dragged behind a pickup truck before being drawn and quartered instead of the person who actually [b]perpetrated[/b] the act. [b]That[/b] was the basis of the case. I might not agree with every case they take on (this one in particular), but they defend [b]everyone's[/b] First Amendment rights regardless of their religion or political station. You make your snide comment about Go "com(ing) to (my) rescue" yet you give no valid argument aside from "I don't agree with it". Your tacit dismissal of an entire organization just because you don't agree with one or two of their cases is why you're a clueless twat... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-GoBengals- Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 [quote name='Elflocko' date='26 November 2009 - 01:47 AM' timestamp='1259214465' post='833193'] Yet again you misunderstand the case they took on. Someone states on a message board "Someone should give Hines Ward a chainsaw enema for rampant douchbaggery". You carry out said statement by giving mister Ward a chainsaw enema. By [b]your[/b] logic the person who stated the desire to give Mr. Ward the chainsaw enema should be locked away and dragged behind a pickup truck before being drawn and quartered instead of the person who actually [b]perpetrated[/b] the act. [b]That[/b] was the basis of the case. I might not agree with every case they take on (this one in particular), but they defend [b]everyone's[/b] First Amendment rights regardless of their religion or political station. You make your snide comment about Go "com(ing) to (my) rescue" yet you give no valid argument aside from "I don't agree with it". Your tacit dismissal of an entire organization just because you don't agree with one or two of their cases is why you're a clueless twat... [/quote] if this must continue, can we have strengthoffates start a thread called [i]"I could give a fuck less about your rights unless i whole heartily agree with your cause, AND if you disagree with this you are a knuckle dragging ape"[/i] thread in the J/W forum... and he can continue to pretend that makes sense over there... as for this thread.. oakland sucks, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 [quote name='Actium' date='25 November 2009 - 06:12 PM' timestamp='1259187172' post='833127'] I went to college at Wittenberg, which is sort of insulated from the rest of Springfield. Still, downtown Springfield is pretty nice, as is the area in between Witt and the country club. Plus there are some areas here and there with some truly stunning homes. [/quote] Now that is a pricey college. I know a family friend going there. Was valedictorian and got about a year paid. My favorite teacher came from there though. Really nice lady. Sounds like a great school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrengthOfFates Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 [quote name='Elflocko' date='26 November 2009 - 01:47 AM' timestamp='1259214465' post='833193'] Yet again you misunderstand the case they took on. Someone states on a message board "Someone should give Hines Ward a chainsaw enema for rampant douchbaggery". You carry out said statement by giving mister Ward a chainsaw enema. By [b]your[/b] logic the person who stated the desire to give Mr. Ward the chainsaw enema should be locked away and dragged behind a pickup truck before being drawn and quartered instead of the person who actually [b]perpetrated[/b] the act. [b]That[/b] was the basis of the case. [/quote] Once again, you misunderstand the case they took on. It was a wrongful death suit similar to the law suits filed by the families of cancer patients against tobacco companies. The link I gave you was a copy of the suit, not some "neocon" op-ed. Your "locked away and dragged behind a truck" etc. etc. comment doesn't fit as the suit doesn't try to claim that NAMBLA is criminally liable for the murder. It was a civil suit. You're letting your opinion of this case be shaped by ACLU bullshit - exactly the type of shit that I bolded in the above statement. The family sought damages for the death of their son, not criminal prosecution. Don't you find it the least bit telling that this case wasn't won by some noble effort to protect freedom of speach, it was "won" by them getting it dismissed on a technicality. [quote] I might not agree with every case they take on (this one in particular), but they defend [b]everyone's[/b] First Amendment rights regardless of their religion or political station. [/quote] The ACLU would have you believe that the NAMBLA case is a case championing the protection of a persons First Amendment rights. The problem is that speech that incites "imminent lawless action" is not protected. Do some research on imminent lawless action or The Brandenburg Test. [quote] Your tacit dismissal of an entire organization just because you don't agree with one or two of their cases is why you're a clueless twat... [/quote] I don't just dismiss the ACLU because I disagree with one or two cases, if I were to post every petty case that illustrates just how ridiculous the ACLU is I would be here all night. Neither you nor I have that kind of time. They may be defending people's constitutional rights, but if I feel that their interpretation of those rights is incorrect and shaped by politics, what choice do I have but to dismiss their organization? [quote] You make your snide comment about Go "com(ing) to (my) rescue" yet you give no valid argument aside from "I don't agree with it". [/quote] I responded to a snide comment about the ACLU with a snide comment of my own. At the time, there was no debate so I didn't feel the need to write a page long diatribe on the subject. Then you come in like a retard and start throwing out broad assumptions and shouting insults. I can respect a person that disagrees with me if they actually put forth the effort to explain why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrengthOfFates Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 [quote name='GoBengals' date='26 November 2009 - 02:19 AM' timestamp='1259216344' post='833196'] if this must continue, can we have strengthoffates start a thread called [i]"I could give a fuck less about your rights unless i whole heartily agree with your cause, AND if you disagree with this you are a knuckle dragging ape"[/i] thread in the J/W forum... and he can continue to pretend that makes sense over there... as for this thread.. oakland sucks, [/quote] I referred to him as a "Knuckle dragging ape", not because he disagreed with me, but because of his post that consisted entirely of personal insults. Go ahead and act as if you don't insult others if you disagree with them, I'm sure there are a lot of users on this message board that know otherwise. You're so pissy when you're outmatched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalBacker Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Guys, guys, guys. Take it to the JD forum please. [i][size="1"]and btw, I don't know shit about Oakland, but the ACLU is at the very least, bat shit crazy sometimes.[/size][/i] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Elflocko| Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 [quote name='StrengthOfFates' date='25 November 2009 - 11:52 PM' timestamp='1259218354' post='833199'] I referred to him as a "Knuckle dragging ape", not because he disagreed with me, but because of his post that consisted entirely of personal insults. Go ahead and act as if you don't insult others if you disagree with them, I'm sure there are a lot of users on this message board that know otherwise. You're so pissy when you're outmatched. [/quote] You're correct. I apologize for the twat comment as it was out of line, and looking at this thread and the back and forth on the subject I admit that I got the cases confused and can definitely see your point in regard to that case. I know I'm not the only person who wishes they had never touched that case, even 10 years later as the perspective of time has not made it any more appealing\palatable\defensible. Can we at least agree that Oakland is a shit hole? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Actium Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 [quote name='JC' date='26 November 2009 - 01:38 AM' timestamp='1259217521' post='833197'] Now that is a pricey college. I know a family friend going there. Was valedictorian and got about a year paid. My favorite teacher came from there though. Really nice lady. Sounds like a great school. [/quote] it was a great place to go to college. and it is expensive, but they are quite generous with scholarships and grants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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