Jamie_B Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 Further I would look into how what we eat effects our cognitive abilities and then draw some conclusions regarding how in part we could be doing better from an educational standpoint if we cleaned up a bit on this issue. (with stress to in part) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mongo Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 I can appreciate you viewpoint, but me doing research to figure out the validity of your stance on pink slime is not how it works. If you say it's harmful, that ammonia hydroxide is the problem, and something about cognitive ability effects, it's your job to present the information that backs up your statements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 Did you ask others to do your homework in school too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mongo Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 It's a fundamental of debate. If I say Steinbach was overrated, and got his ass handed to him on short yardage running downs, it's on me to have the information to back that up. And the Steinbach thing was at random. I have no idea how good he was in those situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 if so then you need to be a little less vague as to what side of the debate you come down on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-GoBengals- Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 [quote name='Jamie_B' timestamp='1338568213' post='1133479'] Did you ask others to do your homework in school too? [/quote] yes, but thats not the point either. you keep bringing up things that areant the point, you bitch about pink slime, you are questioned about it and you bring up all processed foods, you are questioned on both and you bring up cognitive abilities, you haved proven any of your opinions aside from posting a slanted video. It was pretty straight forward that you were asked to explain, with some simple facts from somewhere unbiased about the negatives of the pink slime, and not only have you not done it, but then lashed out about high school homework... wtf?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 [quote name='GoBengals' timestamp='1338569077' post='1133482'] yes, but thats not the point either. you keep bringing up things that areant the point, you bitch about pink slime, you are questioned about it and you bring up all processed foods, you are questioned on both and you bring up cognitive abilities, you haved proven any of your opinions aside from posting a slanted video. It was pretty straight forward that you were asked to explain, with some simple facts from somewhere unbiased about the negatives of the pink slime, and not only have you not done it, but then lashed out about high school homework... wtf?? [/quote] *sigh* Again, pink slime was an example of processed foods in general, if you choose to focus solely on that after I said so, thats on you. But lets top skirting around this. I dont mongo's motives are genuine in his desire for more knowledge on this. I think he's here just to poke a stick, and I really have no interest in that. I mean hell he agreed with me about processed foods and his attempt to reduce them in his own diet, so why the "debate"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mongo Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 [quote name='Jamie_B' timestamp='1338569020' post='1133481'] if so then you need to be a little less vague as to what side of the debate you come down on [/quote] I'm not sure I've fully formed an opinion. It's part of why I want the information. At the moment, I'd lean toward pink slime being kind of icky, but not a health hazard for our nation's youth. All of that is fluid, though. I just don't want to jump to conclusions based on the opinion of people like The Young Turks. (again, not saying you are presenting them as your experts. Just using them as an example of an editorial source, and not a scientific research source) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 In the entirety of Mongo's existence on this messageboard, when has he ever come across as an insincere dude? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 Why are you so focused on pink slime solely? You have agreed that processed foods are not good for you in your attempt to reduce them in your own diet, so what exact debate are we having here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mongo Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 [quote name='Jamie_B' timestamp='1338569293' post='1133484'] *sigh* Again, pink slime was an example of processed foods in general, if you choose to focus solely on that after I said so, thats on you.[/quote] But you have refocussed on pink slime: [quote name='Jamie_B' timestamp='1338566885' post='1133475'] Well yes, processed food in general is my argument, pink slime was an example, [b]but if you desire the specifics of pink slime itself, look into a[color=#333333][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]mmonium hydroxide.[/font][/color][/b] [/quote] If you place the spotlight back on the slime, and say ammonium hydroxide is at the root, it's not unfair to ask you to provide sourcing for why you have that belief. [quote]But lets top skirting around this. I dont mongo's motives are genuine in his desire for more knowledge on this. I think he's here just to poke a stick, and I really have no interest in that. I mean hell he agreed with me about processed foods and his attempt to reduce them in his own diet, so why the "debate"? [/quote] I'm not here to poke sticks. I'm here to understand the argument, and to understand the security of your foundation. Bringing up ammonium hydroxide, and telling me to look into it suggests you already have, and that it's bad. I don't know that it's bad, am skeptical of how bad this legal process actually is, and would like you to show me sourcing for why it's bad. I don't think that's unreasonable, nor do I think it should be viewed as inflammatory. For all I know right now, you haven't done any more research into the topic than that video you posted, are annoyed that I want you to back it up, and are saying I'm just trying to be a wang to get out of it. I don't believe that to be the case. I think you're probably at work, weren't expecting someone to want 'proof,' and don't have the time to remember where you read what you've read. But I don't have anything more to go on at the moment. I am challenging your convictions, but I'm also looking for the information to create my own... Take processed foods for example. I don't definitively know they're bad for me. I think they might be, and I try to limit them more in case they are, but I don't KNOW. As such, I don't tell people to avoid them because they're bad. If asked, I tell them I'm trying to avoid them because I think unprocessed foods are probably better for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 [quote name='mongo' timestamp='1338571400' post='1133491'] But you have refocussed on pink slime: If you place the spotlight back on the slime, and say ammonium hydroxide is at the root, it's not unfair to ask you to provide sourcing for why you have that belief. [/quote] If only because it was brought back up after I clarified that I was simply using it as one example. [quote name='mongo' timestamp='1338571400' post='1133491'] I'm not here to poke sticks. I'm here to understand the argument, and to understand the security of your foundation. Bringing up ammonium hydroxide, and telling me to look into it suggests you already have, and that it's bad. I don't know that it's bad, am skeptical of how bad this legal process actually is, and would like you to show me sourcing for why it's bad. I don't think that's unreasonable, nor do I think it should be viewed as inflammatory. For all I know right now, you haven't done any more research into the topic than that video you posted, are annoyed that I want you to back it up, and are saying I'm just trying to be a wang to get out of it. I don't believe that to be the case. I think you're probably at work, weren't expecting someone to want 'proof,' and don't have the time to remember where you read what you've read. But I don't have anything more to go on at the moment. I am challenging your convictions, but I'm also looking for the information to create my own... Take processed foods for example. I don't definitively know they're bad for me. I think they might be, and I try to limit them more in case they are, but I don't KNOW. As such, I don't tell people to avoid them because they're bad. If asked, I tell them I'm trying to avoid them because I think unprocessed foods are probably better for me. [/quote] As to the pink slime specifics, [url="http://lmgtfy.com/?q=pink+slime+health+concerns"]here[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mongo Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 On the original topic, I'm with those who think it's not New York's job to regulate people's soda intake. If they want to follow the lead of Oklahoma City and challenge it's citizens to lose a couple million pounds, awesome. If they want to promote unprocessed foods, or exercise, or New York-grown organics, totally cool with that. This is just not right. Promote health literacy, and encourage healthy choices, but don't stomp on a person's right to choose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 [quote name='mongo' timestamp='1338572676' post='1133496'] On the original topic, I'm with those who think it's not New York's job to regulate people's soda intake. If they want to follow the lead of Oklahoma City and challenge it's citizens to lose a couple million pounds, awesome. If they want to promote unprocessed foods, or exercise, or New York-grown organics, totally cool with that. This is just not right. Promote health literacy, and encourage healthy choices, but don't stomp on a person's right to choose. [/quote] Sadly, I see the government at all levels encroaching on that very right more and more and it doesn't appear to be stopping or slowing down...its accelerating. Government interference and regulation have reached ghastly proportions, and aside from the intrusionary nature of such behavior/laws, it also costs us collectively a fortune to subsidize every unnecessary regulatory agency/studies/etc, money that the government simply does not have to spend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 frankly I think it sad what does and doesnt ruffle peoples feathers with regard to the power of the state tell someone that the removal/watering down of depression era regulations has caused much of our financial crisis and that we really haven't truly addressed that and that doesnt seem to cause the outrage that taking away their 32oz coke does God Bless America I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 [quote name='Jamie_B' timestamp='1338573107' post='1133499'] frankly I think it sad what does and doesnt ruffle peoples feathers with regard to the power of the state tell someone that the removal/watering down of depression era regulations has caused much of our financial crisis and that we really haven't truly addressed that and that doesnt seem to cause the outrage that taking away their 32oz coke does God Bless America I guess [/quote] Believe me Jamie, I for one do not feel that way. Our government has been screwing us up and over for quite awhile now in a variety of ways. The coke thing is irksome because its such a trivial thing, but its so intrusive for a government to make such a trivial choice for us (well, [i]them[/i], in NYC, but still) and it doesn't really address jack shit WRT health issues in NYC or America at large (no pun intended!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mongo Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 [quote name='Jamie_B' timestamp='1338572461' post='1133495'] As to the pink slime specifics, [url="http://lmgtfy.com/?q=pink+slime+health+concerns"]here[/url] [/quote] I have been extremely polite, tried like Hell to take the high road at every fork in the road, and followed the etiquette of web-based debate. I have asked questions, and requested you to back up your stance with sources. You have refused sourcing multiple times, made a remark about me asking others to do my homework, made it seem as though what side of the argument I fall on is actually important to you backing up any of what you said, suggested I'm disingenuous, said I'm just trying to poke a stick, and followed it up with a link to a google search (again pointing to a belief that I should do the work to defend your position for you)... I'm left with three questions: Do you think you have behaved well in this thread? Is this how you behave in all of the threads in this sub forum (I generally try to avoid this forum, but saw the soda story on the news and thought it was interesting)? Why won't you actually defend your own position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 [quote name='Bunghole' timestamp='1338573501' post='1133501'] Believe me Jamie, I for one do not feel that way. Our government has been screwing us up and over for quite awhile now in a variety of ways. The coke thing is irksome because its such a trivial thing, but its so intrusive for a government to make such a trivial choice for us (well, [i]them[/i], in NYC, but still) and it doesn't really address jack shit WRT health issues in NYC or America at large (no pun intended!). [/quote] WRT? Edit: Also it isn't just that the government has "screwed up", that is something that is fixable, it's that they have been largely bought by an elite and many folks simply waive that idea off as "liberal propaganda", that frustrates me beyond my ability to describe in words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 [quote name='mongo' timestamp='1338573756' post='1133505'] I have been extremely polite, tried like Hell to take the high road at every fork in the road, and followed the etiquette of web-based debate. I have asked questions, and requested you to back up your stance with sources. You have refused sourcing multiple times, made a remark about me asking others to do my homework, made it seem as though what side of the argument I fall on is actually important to you backing up any of what you said, suggested I'm disingenuous, said I'm just trying to poke a stick, and followed it up with a link to a google search (again pointing to a belief that I should do the work to defend your position for you)... I'm left with three questions: Do you think you have behaved well in this thread? Is this how you behave in all of the threads in this sub forum (I generally try to avoid this forum, but saw the soda story on the news and thought it was interesting)? Why won't you actually defend your own position? [/quote] Your questions 1. Behaved well? I have no idea what that even means. 2. Again I'm not sure where you're at here. You asked for information that you are completely capable as an intelligent person to find on your own, under the notion that we were having a debate, a debate that you took no side on, so I'm not sure where to even begin to address your thoughts. 3. Because you agree with me that processed food is bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 [quote name='Jamie_B' timestamp='1338574058' post='1133507'] WRT? Edit: Also it isn't just that the government has "screwed up", that is something that is fixable, it's that they have been largely bought by an elite and many folks simply waive that idea off as "liberal propaganda", that frustrates me beyond my ability to describe in words. [/quote] "With Regards To". Oh they've screwed up all right. But one of the issues, yes, is the presence of the elitists within our own government, full of their own selves, other people's money and a system designed to benefit them above the people. A system that they created and continue to tinker with to their betterment and our detriment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 [quote name='Bunghole' timestamp='1338574714' post='1133510'] "With Regards To". Oh they've screwed up all right. But one of the issues, yes, is the presence of the elitists within our own government, full of their own selves, other people's money and a system designed to benefit them above the people. [/quote] Socialist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Bunghole| Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 [quote name='Jamie_B' timestamp='1338574767' post='1133511'] Socialist. [/quote] Shit, as if. I fear the encroachment of European style governenance here as well, and it looks like we are headed that way. The EU is not sustainable as is...Germany cannot prop up the likes of Greece, Italy, Spain, etc forever. America will not fit that model. I think the biggest single issue we have right now is debt. We cannot keep spending money like there's no tomorrow because there won't be much of one for future generations of Americans if we don't stop spending more money than we take in in tax revenues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 [quote name='Bunghole' timestamp='1338574995' post='1133512'] Shit, as if. I fear the encroachment of European style governenance here as well, and it looks like we are headed that way. The EU is not sustainable as is...Germany cannot prop up the likes of Greece, Italy, Spain, etc forever. America will not fit that model. I think the biggest single issue we have right now is debt. We cannot keep spending money like there's no tomorrow because there won't be much of one for future generations of Americans if we don't stop spending more money than we take in in tax revenues. [/quote] I don't agree with the notion the biggest issue we have is debit. The biggest issue we have now is the structural flaws in our fininical system that allows for the money powers to behave as the robber barons did. In fact I would argue that we do need to be spending more than we are (but let's ignore that propaganda that Obama is a big spender, [url="http://articles.marketwatch.com/2012-05-22/commentary/31802270_1_spending-federal-budget-drunken-sailor"]here is the truth[/url]) and would argue that more spending in key areas is needed in order to kick start the demand in the market we dont currently have because fo the liquidity trap we are in right now. In fact I would argue it can be done without inflation, from some bread crumbs Homer had me follow (I did my own homework) concerning how Lincoln did it. [url="http://www.webofdebt.com/articles/lincoln_obama.php"]here[/url] (my link, not his, I'm not sure if hes seen it or not) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 Pink Slime might be better than anything that was served in my cafeteria. So I just pocketed lunch money and bought beer. God Bless America and not having pink slime. Because if we had it, whom knows if would have been able to support natural ice and their operations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 This might be helpful http://www.snopes.com/food/prepare/msm.asp ...or it might not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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