T-Dub Posted August 1, 2024 Report Posted August 1, 2024 Seeing some rumbling about Trump also stepping down. Ain't no way he goes quietly. Definitely ain't no way his Qult accepts a new demigod. Dude just can't help sticking his foot in his mouth - that's nothing new - but with a legit viable competitor people actually seem to care now? 1 Quote
Jamie_B Posted August 2, 2024 Report Posted August 2, 2024 No chance his ego lets him step down. None. He captured that party to where it is largely MAGA now, he ain't going to just give that up. 1 Quote
T-Dub Posted August 2, 2024 Report Posted August 2, 2024 7 minutes ago, Montana Bengal said: Nothing weird or cultish about that, just regular normal people stuff. She should agree to do it if Trump does as well. That would be interesting. Quote
T-Dub Posted August 2, 2024 Report Posted August 2, 2024 Party of Christian values and not at all weird. Posted elsewhere but this is some other shit Quote
Jamie_B Posted August 14, 2024 Report Posted August 14, 2024 Opinion | To Save Conservatism From Itself, I Am Voting for Harris - The New York Times (nytimes.com) I believe life begins at conception. If I lived in Florida, I would support the state’s heartbeat bill and vote against the referendum seeking to liberalize Florida’s abortion laws. I supported the Dobbs decision and I support well-drafted abortion restrictions at the state and federal levels. I was a pro-life lawyer who worked for pro-life legal organizations. While I want prospective parents to be able to use I.V.F. to build their families, I do not believe that unused embryos should simply be discarded — thrown away as no longer useful. But I’m going to vote for Kamala Harris in 2024 and — ironically enough — I’m doing it in part to try to save conservatism. Here’s what I mean. Since the day Donald Trump came down that escalator in 2015, the MAGA movement has been engaged in a long-running, slow-rolling ideological and characterological transformation of the Republican Party. At each step, it has pushed Republicans further and further away from Reaganite conservatism. It has divorced Republican voters from any major consideration of character in leadership and all the while it has labeled people who resisted the change as “traitors.” What allegiance do you owe a party, a movement or a politician when it or they fundamentally change their ideology and ethos? Let’s take an assertion that should be uncontroversial, especially to a party that often envisions itself as a home for people of faith: Lying is wrong. I’m not naïve; I know that politicians have had poor reputations for honesty since Athens. But I have never seen a human being lie with the intensity and sheer volume of Donald Trump. Even worse, Trump’s lies are contagious. The legal results speak for themselves. A cascade of successful defamation lawsuits demonstrate the severity and pervasiveness of Republican dishonesty. Fox paid an enormous settlement related to its hosts’ relentless falsehoods during Trump’s effort to steal the election. Rudy Giuliani owes two Georgia election workers $148 million for his gross lies about their conduct while counting votes. Salem Media Group apologized to a Georgia voter who was falsely accused of voter fraud and halted distribution of Dinesh D’Souza’s fantastical “documentary” of election fraud, “2,000 Mules.” And that’s hardly an exhaustive list. Several additional defamation cases are pending against MAGA networks and MAGA personalities. Let’s take another assertion that should be relatively uncontroversial: Political violence and threats of violence have no place in the American democratic process. Yet threats and intimidation follow the MAGA movement like night follows day. One of the saddest stories of our time is the way in which even local election officials and local school board members fear for their safety. The level of threat against public officials has escalated in the MAGA era, MAGA Republicans often wield threats as a weapon against Republican dissenters, and every American should remember Jan. 6, when a mob of insurrectionists ransacked the Capitol. I know that threats and violence aren’t exclusive to the right. We all watched in horror as a man tried to assassinate Trump; another man threatened Brett Kavanaugh’s life; and no one should forget the horrific congressional shooting, when an angry liberal man attempted a mass murder of Republican members of Congress on a baseball field. But only one party has nominated a man who was indicted for his role in the criminal scheme to steal an American election, a scheme that culminated in a violent political riot. Only one party nominated a man who began the first rally of his 2024 campaign with a song by violent insurrectionists. He played “Justice for All,” a bastardized version of the national anthem by a group called the J6 Prison Choir. The song features the “Star-Spangled Banner” interspersed with excerpts of Trump reading the Pledge of Allegiance. It’s not just Trump’s lies that are contagious, but his cruelty as well, and that cruelty is embedding itself deeply within one of Trump’s most loyal constituencies, conservative evangelicals. It is difficult to overstate the viciousness and intolerance of MAGA Christians against their political foes. There are many churches and Christian leaders who are now more culturally Trumpian than culturally Christian. Trump is changing the church. And to what end? It is fascinating to me that there are voices online who still claim that a person can’t be Christian and vote for Democrats, when the Trump campaign watered down the Republican platform on abortion to such an extent that it’s functionally pro-choice. Earlier generations of the pro-life movement would not have tolerated such a retreat. They would have made it clear that there were some principles Republicans simply can’t abandon without becoming a fundamentally different party. It becomes even stranger to claim that Christians can’t vote for Democrats when the prime-time lineup at the Republican convention featured an OnlyFans star, a man who publicly slapped his wife, a man who pleaded no contest to an assault charge, and another man who had sex with his friend’s wife while the friend watched — and that’s not even including any reference to Trump himself. Even if you want to focus on abortion as the single issue that decides your vote, the picture for abortion opponents is grim. Trump should get credit for nominating justices who helped overturn Roe (though the real credit for the decision goes to the justices themselves, including the George W. Bush appointee Samuel Alito, who actually wrote the majority opinion). But when we’re dealing with a complex social phenomenon, political and legal issues are rarely simple. For the first time in decades, abortion rates and ratios increased under Trump. In addition, the best available evidence indicates that abortion rates are up since the Dobbs decision. Barack Obama was an unabashedly pro-choice politician, yet there were 338,270 fewer abortions in 2016 than there were in 2008, George W. Bush’s last year in office. Though Trump nominated anti-abortion justices and enacted a number of anti-abortion policies, there were 56,080 more abortions the last year of his term than there were in the last year of Obama’s presidency. Even worse, after Dobbs the pro-life position is in a state of political collapse. It hasn’t won a single red-state referendum, and it might even lose again in Florida, a state that’s increasingly red yet also looks to have a possible pro-choice supermajority. According to a recent poll, 69 percent of Floridians support the pro-choice abortion referendum, a margin well above the 60 percent threshold required for passage. If the ultimate goal of the pro-life movement is to reduce the number of abortions, not just to change legal precedent, then these numbers and these electoral outcomes are deeply alarming. If present trends continue, then abortion opponents will have won an important legal battle, but they’ll ultimately lose the more important cultural and political cause. Reasonable people disagree with me. I have friends and family members who will vote for Trump only because he is more moderate than Harris on abortion. I hate the idea that we should condition friendship or respect based on the way in which a person votes. Time and again we make false assumptions about a person’s character based on his or her political positions. There are truly bad actors in American politics, but we cannot write off millions of our fellow citizens who vote their consciences based on their own knowledge and political understanding. At the same time, we should make the argument — firmly but respectfully — that this is no ordinary race and that the old political categories no longer apply. For example, how many Republicans would have predicted that voting for a Democrat would be the best way to confront violent Russian aggression and that the Republican would probably yield to a Russian advance? In many ways, the most concretely conservative action I can take in this election is to vote for the candidate who will stand against Vladimir Putin. By voting for pro-life politicians down ballot, I can help prevent federal liberalization of abortion law. But if a president decides to abandon Ukraine and cripple NATO, there is little anyone can do. While there are voters who are experiencing a degree of Trump nostalgia, remembering American life pre-Covid as a time of full employment and low inflation, there is a different and darker story to tell about Trump’s first term. Our social fabric frayed. It’s not just that abortions increased: The murder rate skyrocketed; drug overdose deaths hit new highs; marriage rates fell; and birthrates continued their long decline. Americans ended his term more divided than when it began. I’m often asked by Trump voters if I’m “still conservative,” and I respond that I can’t vote for Trump precisely because I am conservative. I loathe sex abuse, pornography and adultery. Trump has brought those vices into the mainstream of the Republican Party. I want to cultivate a culture that values human life from conception through natural death. Yet America became more brutal and violent during Trump’s term. I want to defend liberal democracy from authoritarian aggression, yet Trump would abandon our allies and risk our most precious alliances. The only real hope for restoring a conservatism that values integrity, demonstrates real compassion and defends our foundational constitutional principles isn’t to try to make the best of Trump, a man who values only himself. If he wins again, it will validate his cruelty and his ideological transformation of the Republican Party. If Harris wins, the West will still stand against Vladimir Putin, and conservative Americans will have a chance to build something decent from the ruins of a party that was once a force for genuine good in American life. Quote
Shebengal Posted August 14, 2024 Report Posted August 14, 2024 Interesting read. Thanks for sharing. 1 Quote
Jamie_B Posted August 19, 2024 Report Posted August 19, 2024 Exclusive: Conservative Republican endorses Harris, calls Trump a threat to democracy Quote
Jamie_B Posted August 19, 2024 Report Posted August 19, 2024 2 hours ago, Homer_Rice said: Goodbye, Lina Khan. God i hope not Quote
T-Dub Posted August 28, 2024 Report Posted August 28, 2024 Should I be shocked, or just be happy he didn't show up with a fistful of balloons? Vote for a clown you get a circus 1 Quote
Jamie_B Posted August 28, 2024 Report Posted August 28, 2024 No, you shouldn't be surprised, this same guy after tear gassing peaceful protestors so he could get this ..... 1 Quote
T-Dub Posted August 29, 2024 Report Posted August 29, 2024 22 hours ago, Jamie_B said: No, you shouldn't be surprised, this same guy after tear gassing peaceful protestors so he could get this ..... remember hearing a funny story at the time about his handlers scrambling to find a Bible for him Quote
Jamie_B Posted August 29, 2024 Report Posted August 29, 2024 3 minutes ago, T-Dub said: remember hearing a funny story at the time about his handlers scrambling to find a Bible for him Yeah I remember something about that. Quote
T-Dub Posted August 29, 2024 Report Posted August 29, 2024 25 minutes ago, Jamie_B said: Yeah I remember something about that. Probably had to find one with some kind of special coating so he didn't burst into flames as soon as he touched it in what fucking universe is this guy any kind of Christian role model Quote
Jamie_B Posted August 29, 2024 Report Posted August 29, 2024 Just now, T-Dub said: Probably had to find one with some kind of special coating so he didn't burst into flames as soon as it touched him My best friend and I went to mass at the national shrine one year (he's catholic I'm not) and Newt Gingrich was there. He went to shake his hand, I told him he needed to wash it in holy water after. 😆 Quote
T-Dub Posted August 30, 2024 Report Posted August 30, 2024 5 hours ago, Jamie_B said: My best friend and I went to mass at the national shrine one year (he's catholic I'm not) and Newt Gingrich was there. He went to shake his hand, I told him he needed to wash it in holy water after. 😆 Mother Theresa compared to TFG. Isn't there something about idolatry in there? Also I just read a eulogy of Richard Simmons and this is still the gayest thing I've seen all day which is fine & good but who do they think they're kidding with this oiled up fanart of an old man that realistically looks more like a turnip? Quote
T-Dub Posted August 30, 2024 Report Posted August 30, 2024 I don't think these prople give 2 shits about our military or veterans. They just love war. 1 Quote
Shebengal Posted August 30, 2024 Report Posted August 30, 2024 20 hours ago, T-Dub said: in what fucking universe is this guy any kind of Christian role model I know, right??? I don't understand people. I have a cousin who works with developmentally disabled children. She's constantly posting affirming stories and memes about this population and supporting them, yet she's voting for Trump. SMDH. 1 Quote
T-Dub Posted August 30, 2024 Report Posted August 30, 2024 13 minutes ago, Shebengal said: I know, right??? I don't understand people. I have a cousin who works with developmentally disabled children. She's constantly posting affirming stories and memes about this population and supporting them, yet she's voting for Trump. SMDH. Think we've all lost friends and family to the Qult. It's an identity for people who felt like they were lacking one. Makes them feel important and seen, plus he gives them a scapegoat for all life's problems. He's honestly a great con man, always has been. 1 Quote
Jamie_B Posted August 30, 2024 Report Posted August 30, 2024 31 minutes ago, Shebengal said: I know, right??? I don't understand people. I have a cousin who works with developmentally disabled children. She's constantly posting affirming stories and memes about this population and supporting them, yet she's voting for Trump. SMDH. The disconnect is wild. 1 Quote
T-Dub Posted September 7, 2024 Report Posted September 7, 2024 Excuse me but did he just offer an alibi of "she's not pretty enough for me to rape" ?! The woman, for the record, he was already convicted of assaulting. Gotta love them Christian family values. The party of creeps. Quote
Jamie_B Posted September 7, 2024 Report Posted September 7, 2024 The asshole finally admitted he lost. Jan 6 was entirely about his ego. People attacked our Capitol, some people died, a lot are in jail or have some sort of charges on them. Because of his ego. Y'all still want to deny he lost? Because not even he is at this point. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-lex-fridman-podcast-interview-b2606533.html?fbclid=IwY2xjawFJxX1leHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHQyDrayQUYjN4yaTTcBsErC1hZBM13a4lACShFULYOcKU5bQ-REzt8AzSg_aem_hfoQTB6OvU0OJ0dGn7eFJQ Quote
T-Dub Posted September 8, 2024 Report Posted September 8, 2024 27 minutes ago, Jamie_B said: The asshole finally admitted he lost. Jan 6 was entirely about his ego. Oh it was more than that, it was an attempted coup with highly placed co-conspirators including at least a couple of Supreme Court justices. Fun! Quote
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